The Natalie and Pauline comparisons need to stop

[LukeB]

The comparisons between them is a bit silly because they are nothing alike, different storylines and different personalities. Just because they are both black females,same age and got angry doesn't mean they are similar.

[Vanessa]

Poline :dance:

[Pete.]

Agreed its a non existent comparison anyway

[Raph]

:clap1: well said Luke!

[Oaker]

Yeah it's ridiculous imo

[Oaker]

Like what did Pauline even do apart from bully Jale?

[Will.]

Yeah it's because there both black, pathetic comparison tbh.

[Ross.]

Great post Luke

[reece(:]

Completely different storylines, personalities and house roles = nonsensical comparison

Lowkey racist?

[reece(:]

Like what did Pauline even do apart from bully Jale?

Cooked and danced in the bath

[Amy Jade]

I genuinely don't get the comparison at all.

[Captain.Remy]

Pauline getting my vote because (unpopular opinion coming) she gave the final pass to Helen.
Apart from that, both are disasters.

[Marsh.]

No different to Nikki and Jayne being compared for being skinny moany white women.

The hunt for an "ism" in everything gets tiresome.

[MojoNixon]

The comparisons between them is a bit silly because they are nothing alike, different storylines and different personalities. Just because they are both black females,same age and got angry doesn't mean they are similar.

Only your opinion. Not has to end. Blexit has happen.

[MB.]

I've been the only one to mention the two in the same post tonight as far as I can see so if you'd like to direct this at me more explicitly then you can

[Oaker]

Only your opinion. Not has to end. Blexit has happen.

what

[andybigbro]

Both evicted second tbf :shrug:

[MojoNixon]

Completely different storylines, personalities and house roles = nonsensical comparison

Lowkey racist?

No. It was all the same.

[Drew.]

I've haven't compared the two of them before but i don't know why the race card has to be played every time two people of the same race are compared. Most housemates this series have been compared to previous housemates who are all similar behaviour/looks wise. Dexter and Chelsea & Jayne and Nikki have been compared loads but this one seems to be kicking up fuss just because they're both black? :shrug:

[Ross.]

Only your opinion. Not has to end. Blexit has happen.

What the feck does this post even mean

[Braden]

I personally don't think they're alike at all. The main one being that Pauline wanted to be a dictator in the house (her power trip obviously helped), whereas Natalie just wanted to whisper in people's ears aand get confrontational with people who are just as capable to stand up for themselves as her.

[MojoNixon]

What the feck does this post even mean

Meaning that "Natalie and Pauline comparisons" is true. And they both did get evicted.

[Amy Jade]

No different to Nikki and Jayne being compared for being skinny moany white women.

The hunt for an "ism" in everything gets tiresome.

I personally think Jayne's diary room rants are very Nikki like.

[Pete.]

I've haven't compared the two of them before but i don't know why the race card has to be played every time two people of the same race are compared. Most housemates this series have been compared to previous housemates who are all similar behaviour/looks wise. Dexter and Chelsea & Jayne and Nikki have been compared loads but this one seems to be kicking up fuss just because they're both black? :shrug:
The fuss is that both are completely different people and different housemates so honestly where are the comparisons coming from?

[reece(:]

Both evicted second tbf :shrug:

As were Andrew, Stuart, Allison, Justine, Marco, Lesley, Sezer, Seany, Sylvia, Sophia, Govan, Rebeckah, Chris, Jemima and Amy and Sally

So why compare Nat and Pauline?

[Jason.]

They're nothing alike. Pauline was a bully who decided she didn't like people based on a 30 second clip she'd seen of them and went for them mercilessly whilst turning the whole house against them and getting others (Helen/Toya) to spread the poison whilst she sat back without an ounce of remorse. Meanwhile, Natalie is just an argumentative (and rude) person who argued with two people who both happened to be favourites.

[MojoNixon]

As were Andrew, Stuart, Allison, Justine, Marco, Lesley, Sezer, Seany, Sylvia, Sophia, Govan, Rebeckah, Chris, Jemima and Amy and Sally

So why compare Nat and Pauline?

They were bullies both of em.

[Drew.]

The fuss is that both are completely different people and different housemates so honestly where are the comparisons coming from?

People are entitled to compare them if they think they have similarities though? Unless they are up front being racist then whats the problem?

[MB.]

They're nothing alike

You literally made this thread comparing the two yesterday (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303269)

[Pete.]

They were bullies both of em.
Who did Nat bully?

[Captain.Remy]

They're nothing alike. Pauline was a bully who decided she didn't like people based on a 30 second clip she'd seen of them and went for them mercilessly whilst turning the whole house against them and getting others (Helen/Toya) to spread the poison whilst she sat back without an ounce of remorse. Meanwhile, Natalie is just an argumentative (and rude) person who argued with two people who both happened to be favourites.

Both are bullies and talked people down 24/7. Both thought they would run stuff when they didn't.
Nothing to do with race on my part, they're both atrocious and vile. They happened to be evicted 2nd in their series.

[LukeB]

Completely different storylines, personalities and house roles = nonsensical comparison

Lowkey racist?

I've never seen a white and black comparison ever and when they are comparisons it's obvious they are not, it's like yesterday someone called Zakiyah night'vonne or something... both are so different.

[MojoNixon]

Who did Nat bully?

Did you even watch it???

[Jason.]

You literally made this thread comparing the two yesterday (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303269)

I saw a lot of people saying she's 'the new Pauline' (which I don't agree with) so I made a poll to see which one people liked most - it doesn't mean I think they're alike. So idg why point you're trying to make

[Marsh.]

I personally think Jayne's diary room rants are very Nikki like.

She's a very poor imitation. Worse than Chanelle's attempts at copying.

[MojoNixon]

Who did Nat bully?

First Hughie and then Jayne.

[reece(:]

Who did Nat bully?

She only ever defended herself (in her special way :laugh:) and stir the pot

[MojoNixon]

I saw a lot of people saying she's 'the new Pauline' (which I don't agree with) so I made a poll to see which one people liked most - it doesn't mean I think they're alike. So idg why point you're trying to make

Caught in the Act!

[reece(:]

I've never seen a white and black comparison ever and when they are comparisons it's obvious they are not, it's like yesterday someone called Zakiyah night'vonne or something... both are so different.

Night Vonne? God forbid BBUS cast 2 black girls in one season :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[MB.]

I've never seen a white and black comparison ever and when they are comparisons it's obvious they are not, it's like yesterday someone called Zakiyah night'vonne or something... both are so different.

When they're cast as the "token black woman" or "token gay" or whatever in typical casts such as this (maybe not the BB17 cast specifically, since half of them are gay), it makes you much more likely to think they've been cast to fit a certain role and not because of who they are... hence Zakiyah and Da'Vonne, particularly when they're stood right next to each other (personally, I don't see a comparison there, but I can see how some can)

[MojoNixon]

She only ever defended herself (in her special way :laugh:) and stir the pot

Not stirring the pot, only bullying. Oh well, she is out now :cheer2:

[Oaker]

Pauline basically just turned her entire group against the people she disliked in the first week and then in the second week she did just about nothing because her group did all the dirty work for her.

Natalie actually had the balls to confront people she didn't like.

[MB.]

I saw a lot of people saying she's 'the new Pauline' (which I don't agree with) so I made a poll to see which one people liked most - it doesn't mean I think they're alike. So idg why point you're trying to make

If you saw no comparison whatsoever then you surely wouldn't see the need to make a thread comparing them

[Northern Monkey]

If some people think they're alike then why can't they state that opinion?

[Amy Jade]

She's a very poor imitation. Worse than Chanelle's attempts at copying.

I totally agree but I still believe she acts up in there, the rants are so reminiscent to Nikki, maybe I've noticed it because I watched BB7 a bit recently idk

[MojoNixon]

Pauline basically just turned her entire group against the people she disliked in the first week and then in the second week she did just about nothing because he group did all the dirty work for her.

Same did Natalie to Hughie and Jayne.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I've never seen a white and black comparison ever and when they are comparisons it's obvious they are not, it's like yesterday someone called Zakiyah night'vonne or something... both are so different.

You can just @ me next time hun...x

[Jason.]

Both are bullies and talked people down 24/7. Both thought they would run stuff when they didn't.
Nothing to do with race on my part, they're both atrocious and vile. They happened to be evicted 2nd in their series.

I didn't even mention race at all in my post - I was just talking about both housemates in general.

And can people please stop throwing around the 'B' word so easily. Like say what you want about Natalie, whether you like her or not, she hasn't bullied anyone. She didn't constantly pick on one person and try to isolate them or exclude them. She just didn't get a long with two people and she clashed with them - the feeling was mutual. It's like saying Charley was a bully cause she kept arguing with Chanelle. :rolleyes:

Helen Wood, Conor, Pauline, Alexandra - those are textbook examples of bullies on BB. I don't really see how Natalie behaved like any of those that I've just mentioned.

Each to their own though

[Marsh.]

I totally agree but I still believe she acts up in there, the rants are so reminiscent to Nikki, maybe I've noticed it because I watched BB7 a bit recently idk

Oh yeah, definitely similar. She's reminding me of Nikki more after she re-entered BB7 when she was faking the rants because she knew it's what the public liked.

[LukeB]

Night Vonne? God forbid BBUS cast 2 black girls in one season :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Yeah :unsure:

Davonne is sassy, great talker and entertaining (could go on)
Zakiyah is the opposite of that.

totally different people.

[Shaun]

I think I may have mentioned in passing once that she was getting a Pauline edit but more in terms of her launch popularity on here (fanclub before she was revealed) and maaaaaaaassive downturn in popularity in reality. :laugh: Like I get the protestations about "another angry black woman edit" but I didn't see anything like that said about Lateysha yesterday? :think: but w/e idc

[Marsh.]

If some people think they're alike then why can't they state that opinion?

You can't have an opinion on minorities otherwise it's bigotry, do you not understand that? :hehe:

[Oaker]

welp I dread to think what Paulines fan club was like. Did it lose all it's members in 48 hours?

[Jason.]

If you saw no comparison whatsoever then you surely wouldn't see the need to make a thread comparing them

I only made the thread because there were a lot of posts last night and in the past week or so actually, comparing the two and people saying they're alike. Like I said, I see no comparison - they're both different. But I wanted to see what other people thought hence the poll.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Yeah :unsure:

Davonne is sassy, great talker and entertaining (could go on)
Zakiyah is the opposite of that.

totally different people.

Zakiyah openly talks about how she hates authority and she hates being told what to do and if there's one thing that will get her in trouble it's her mouth *KINDA* like how Da'Vonne's got her in trouble last year.

Anyway, jokingly calling her Night'Vonne is more of a "I have absolutely no faith that BBUS can cast black girls and portray them differently from one another" thing than a "I think Da'Vonne and Zakiyah are the exact same person" thing.

[Marsh.]

welp I dread to think what Paulines fan club was like. Did it lose all it's members in 48 hours?

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251636

:joker:

[Headie]

I think I may have mentioned in passing once that she was getting a Pauline edit but more in terms of her launch popularity on here (fanclub before she was revealed) and maaaaaaaassive downturn in popularity in reality. :laugh: Like I get the protestations about "another angry black woman edit" but I didn't see anything like that said about Lateysha yesterday? :think: but w/e idc

Bye you tried snatching her fanclub on Launch Night tho :fist:

[Captain.Remy]

I didn't even mention race at all in my post - I was just talking about both housemates in general.

And can people please stop throwing around the 'B' word so easily. Like say what you want about Natalie, whether you like her or not, she hasn't bullied anyone. She didn't constantly pick on one person and try to isolate them or exclude them. She just didn't get a long with two people and she clashed with them - the feeling was mutual. It's like saying Charley was a bully cause she kept arguing with Chanelle. :rolleyes:

Helen Wood, Conor, Pauline, Alexandra - those are textbook examples of bullies on BB. I don't really see how Natalie behaved like any of those that I've just mentioned.

Each to their own though

Both of what they said in the house was uncalled for and too extreme. Pauline was the definition of a bully when it came to Jale.
Natalie kept talking people down and was unreasonable. Still going on about Hughie and Jayne. She was literally obsessed with them. She's a grown woman and in no way shape or form what she did in there was right.
Being a bully is not always arguing with the other one, it's all the behaviour that comes next to it. Like whenever Jayne or Hughie were talking (not even to her), she couldn't help but roll her eyes or make sleazy comments.

And she felt terrible when Emma checked her tonight during the interview, like she wanted to talk about something else all of a sudden when all she did was being obsessed with both of them 24/7. She is miserable.

[Northern Monkey]

You can't have an opinion on minorities otherwise it's bigotry, do you not understand that? :hehe:Oh yeah shet,I forgot where i was for a second there.

[Oaker]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251636

:joker:

everyone leaving on day 3 :joker:

[MojoNixon]

welp I dread to think what Paulines fan club was like. Did it lose all it's members in 48 hours?

Not everyone. Example, Hayden, Vanessa, Heaven = Winner and reece(: did stay as her faithful follower. And many other. Wonder why these bullies always getting popular.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251636

[Shaun]

Bye you tried snatching her fanclub on Launch Night tho :fist:

And it clearly ended up going REALLY WELL FOR ME

https://uploadir.com/u/netlmhem

[reece(:]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251636

:joker:

Lmao, iconic!

[Oaker]

idk why but I like looking at the fan clubs where a housemate started out popular and then ended up hated, it's funny to see when their downfall was :laugh:.

[reece(:]

Natalie's launch popularity was nothing on the scale of Pauline's

[MojoNixon]

Lmao, iconic!

Yeah, you did not leave her fan club. Stayed loyal to that bully to the end.

[MB.]

Pauline was last in after one identikit person in a suit after another whilst Natalie was shunted in halfway through without a VT - had Natalie been given a proper entrance and hyped as much as Pauline, I'd guess things might have been a little different

[Macie Lightfoot]

I mean, I feel like even the benevolently racist people saw Pauline's VT and were like "okay, but she's gonna end up being awful, right?" and they were proven right in like three days.

[LukeB]

Natalie's launch popularity was nothing on the scale of Pauline's

this is true, Pauline was one of the favourites to win and was loved by the public... Natalie was only loved on forums.

[BB-J*I*N*X]

both horrible end of

[Marsh.]

this is true, Pauline was one of the favourites to win and was loved by the public... Natalie was only loved on forums.

Pauline was last in after one identikit person in a suit after another whilst Natalie was shunted in halfway through without a VT - had Natalie been given a proper entrance and hyped as much as Pauline, I'd guess things might have been a little different

.

[MB.]

Pauline also benefited from going in with eight other people, whereas Natalie went in with seventeen

[reece(:]

Yeah, you did not leave her fan club. Stayed loyal to that bully to the end.

Give over acting like these HMs are criminals:joker:, I'm not ashamed in enjoying Pauline as a HM as I'm sure there are many who enjoyed Helen/Marc for their own reasons

[Jason.]

Both of what they said in the house was uncalled for and too extreme. Pauline was the definition of a bully when it came to Jale.
Natalie kept talking people down and was unreasonable. Still going on about Hughie and Jayne. She was literally obsessed with them. She's a grown woman and in no way shape or form what she did in there was right.
Being a bully is not always arguing with the other one, it's all the behaviour that comes next to it. Like whenever Jayne or Hughie were talking (not even to her), she couldn't help but roll her eyes or make sleazy comments.

And she felt terrible when Emma checked her tonight during the interview, like she wanted to talk about something else all of a sudden when all she did was being obsessed with both of them 24/7. She is miserable.

Then by that logic, aren't Jayne and Hughie also bullies because they gave just as good as they got and they often said some said some uncalled for things or went extreme - I mean Jayne did get in Natalie's face and threaten to 'annihilate' her the other night. I'm not screaming bully though because I don't think she is whatsoever.

And ffs since when did an eye-roll constitute as bullying now? Seriously, I hope you haven't seen series like BB6 or BB13 because if you think an eye-roll is bullying then there was practically murder in BB13.

She was just argumentative and rude imo. You're throwing around the B word - but there hasn't even been complaints in regards to how her behaviour can be perceived as bullying like Helen and Conor had.

And maybe she didn't want to talk about Jayne or Hughie in her interview because she didn't want to spend her whole time talking about people she disliked or her negative parts - she even asked Emma if she was going to ask her stuff about her friendship with Alex because all they'd been talking about is Jayne and Hughie.

We're obviously not going to agree so let's just agree to disagree on this one

[MojoNixon]

Give over acting like these HMs are criminals:joker:, I'm not ashamed in enjoying Pauline as a HM as I'm sure there are many who enjoyed Helen/Marc for their own reasons

You seem to love all of em bullies. I did not like Helen or Marc either.

[Marsh.]

Oh shut up Jason. YOU ARE DISMISSED!

[Lostie!]

No different to Nikki and Jayne being compared for being skinny moany white women.

The hunt for an "ism" in everything gets tiresome.

Very good point.

[Jason.]

Oh shut up Jason. YOU ARE DISMISSED!

I thought you weren't watching :suspect:

[Marsh.]

Very good point.

:amazed: Thank you.

[reece(:]

You seem to love all of em bullies. I did not like Helen or Marc either.

I didn't like Helen/Marc, it was an example.. :shrug:

[Marsh.]

I thought you weren't watching :suspect:

I'm watching you. :smug:

[Babayaro.]

I've haven't compared the two of them before but i don't know why the race card has to be played every time two people of the same race are compared. Most housemates this series have been compared to previous housemates who are all similar behaviour/looks wise. Dexter and Chelsea & Jayne and Nikki have been compared loads but this one seems to be kicking up fuss just because they're both black? :shrug:

I agree, Drew :clap1:

[Jason.]

I'm watching you. :smug:

Not you outside my window holding a lit match D:

[Calderyon]

Only thing they had in common was that they were both awful people.

[MojoNixon]

I didn't like Helen/Marc, it was an example.. :shrug:

I know, but i don't defend anyone who like em either. But for some reason, if there is black bully, you always like em. And Marc and Helen are white bullies. So there you go before accusing me as a racist.

[Captain.Remy]

Then by that logic, aren't Jayne and Hughie also bullies because they gave just as good as they got and they often said some said some uncalled for things or went extreme - I mean Jayne did get in Natalie's face and threaten to 'annihilate' her the other night. I'm not screaming bully though because I don't think she is whatsoever.

And ffs since when did an eye-roll constitute as bullying now? Seriously, I hope you haven't seen series like BB6 or BB13 because if you think an eye-roll is bullying then there was practically murder in BB13.

She was just argumentative and rude imo. You're throwing around the B word - but there hasn't even been complaints in regards to how her behaviour can be perceived as bullying like Helen and Conor had.

And maybe she didn't want to talk about Jayne or Hughie in her interview because she didn't want to spend her whole time talking about people she disliked or her negative parts - she even asked Emma if she was going to ask her stuff about her friendship with Alex because all they'd been talking about is Jayne and Hughie.

We're obviously not going to agree so let's just agree to disagree on this one

She was super embarassed you could tell!
Neither Jayne or Hughie can be branded as bullies because they at least tried to make it right at some point with her yet she kept putting them down. She was obsessed with them like a real bully is!
They only defended themselves! Thank God they had balls!
In regards to the eye roll, it's not just that obviously, but the whole behaviour and attitude she constantly had. And come on, let's not forget the wine incident in which she acted like a straight up b.tch towards everyone.
She would have never had that attitude towards a Jason or let's say Helen. She kept picking on smaller than her, and that to me is a bully.

I agree to disagree on that one, for sure :)

[MojoNixon]

She was super embarassed you could tell!
Neither Jayne or Hughie can be branded as bullies because they at least tried to make it right at some point with her yet she kept putting them down. She was obsessed with them like a real bully is!


Yes!

[reece(:]

I know, but i don't defend anyone who like em either. But for some reason, if there is black bully, you always like em. And Marc and Helen are white bullies. So there you go before accusing me as a racist.

I didn't like Alexandra BB9 so there's that theory out the window!

[MojoNixon]

She was super embarassed you could tell!
Neither Jayne or Hughie can be branded as bullies because they at least tried to make it right at some point with her yet she kept putting them down. She was obsessed with them like a real bully is!


Yes! And don't forget she attacked against Laura too!

[MojoNixon]

I didn't like Alexandra BB9 so there's that theory out the window!

:joker: one of em all...

[Marsh.]

:joker: one of em all...

Why are you so obsessed with the skin colour of who reece does and doesn't like. :umm2:

[Jason.]

Tbf she was the one being ganged up on during Winegate even if she did snatch the bottle sooo idg why she's just getting the blame when the others came across just as bad

[reece(:]

Why are you so obsessed with the skin colour of who reece does and doesn't like. :umm2:

The member has been obsessing over my posts a few days now, a tad strange!

[MojoNixon]

The member has been obsessing over my posts a few days now, a tad strange!

Because you great entertainment to watch!

[LukeB]

They are so more differences than similarities between both of them... In order to compare someone both of them need have the same storyline and same personality etc which they obviously didn't

[Amy Jade]

The member has been obsessing over my posts a few days now, a tad strange!:laugh2: