Nikki Grahame wants Big Brother UK to try the Canadian format

[zakman440]

Big Brother star Nikki Grahame has suggested that the Canadian format of the show should be tried out in the UK - complete with lots of gameplaying.

Nikki recently competed in Big Brother Canada, which is completely different to the UK series.

As with Big Brother USA, the show in Canada is much more tactical, with housemates encouraged to discuss nominations and scheme to evict their fellow housemates – and there is no public vote.

"It's so different," Nikki told Digital Spy. "It was a completely different show, if I'm honest. You have to go in there with a game plan, and here in the UK you get thrown out if you've got a game plan!

"So it was just so different, and if I was ever to do it again I'd be so much more prepared for it."

Nikki explained that she'd watched the second season of Big Brother Canada but added: "Until you're actually in there you just don't know how it's going to feel, and it was so, so stressful and so cut-throat.

"I honestly just didn't think I'd last, and I lasted two months, and then I was put in the Jury House [where evicted housemates live before picking the show's winner]. I mean, I did try and escape three times…"

Nikki also revealed that while she was "upset" when her fellow housemate Tim Dormer voted to evict her, she's forgiven everyone in the house – with one exception.

"Me and Tim [who previously appeared on Big Brother Australia] are really good friends and I'm going to go and visit him in Australia next year and we're going to go and do a mini road trip," she said.

"I've forgiven all of them - that's why I'm not watching it, because I don't want to have any bad feeling towards any of them… I've been speaking to all of them and I will stay in touch with all of them – except Maddie. Ugh. No, thank you. She is just pure poison."

And now Nikki thinks there should be a swap between Big Brother Canada and Big Brother UK so we get the different, tactical version of the show - complete with a Head of House who controls the nominations.

"I think it would really stir things up," she said. "I think they should do both! I think we should try the Big Brother UK in Canada and just see how it would work. We should swap them one year - I think that would be a great twist.

"I think our housemates would get the gist of it. Me and Tim were just thrown into it and for the first few weeks we actually couldn't get our heads round it. We were like, 'What is this?'

"It was so much more glitzy and glamorous and the costumes for the challenges - wow. But I mean, I was so rubbish in the challenges. The only thing I did was just wear the outfit and stand there or just lie there and have a little rest."

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/big-brother/news/a798430/nikki-grahame-we-should-bring-big-brother-canadas-game-playing-to-the-uk/

She's absolutely right - I thought that we were going to go for it this series but I'd totally be up for them trying it another year :clap1:.

NO to Big Brother Canada taking up our format though - they don't need to as their version is currently the best globally atm.

[Jack_]

An international BB legend spilling the tea :clap1: this would've been the perfect series to trial it because let's be honest the game hasn't 'changed' at all

It's about time the UK format was consigned to the depths of history and the public weren't allowed to get their dirty moronic hands anywhere near control of evictions

[Lostie!]

No thank you :) :)

[Oaker]

If BBUK had the US format it would have 2 viewers

[Samm]

No, we have our own format that is simple and perfect as it is, it's only the production that are screwing the format up, however the last three evictions have shown that it works perfectly

[Jack_]

If BBUK had the US format it would have 2 viewers

So one more than it has now?

[armand.kay]

No.

[armand.kay]

With the right cast bbuk format will always be better than can and bbus.

[Jack_]

With the right cast bbuk format will always be better than can and bbus.

Not at all, the US format is inherently more interesting and rewards housemates on merit as opposed to who's the most attractive, lucky enough to have a penis or who says or does nothing the entire series. Or a combination of all three

[Jordan.]

Imagine this series with the clique being allowed to openly plot to get Jayne, Andy, Evelyn etc out first. No ty.

[Samm]

Honestly it wouldn't make a difference at all? Bores like Alex will still stay because the housemates wouldn't nominate threats because the UK housemates have a completely different mind set since they've been watching the same format for 16 years. The HOH will just nominate the HMs that annoy them the most.

[armand.kay]

Not at all, the US format is inherently more interesting and rewards housemates on merit as opposed to who's the most attractive, lucky enough to have a penis or who says or does nothing the entire series. Or a combination of all three

I would rather get to know a person and watch messy characters argue over booze than watch people constantly plotting and talking about the game all the time. BBUS is good but the bbuk format is a lot more enjoyable to watch. And let's not act like looks, sex and laying low don't affect how far you get in the game. BBUS also lets horrid people advance further and I'm sorry this whole "but they're so entertaining" argument is bull****. Watching a bunch of dislikable jocks advance and. Make it further than all the decent people just isn't entertaining for me. The best of BBUK trumps any international seasons.

[Jack_]

Imagine this series with the clique being allowed to openly plot to get Jayne, Andy, Evelyn etc out first. No ty.

But conversely those same housemates would be able to plot against the 'clique' themselves, and Andy and Evelyn would be more than capable of winning multiple HoH's to put their alliance in control

Honestly it wouldn't make a difference at all? Bores like Alex will still stay because the housemates wouldn't nominate threats because the UK housemates have a completely different mind set since they've been watching the same format for 16 years. The HOH will just nominate the HMs that annoy them the most.

Well there's an argument that nominating people under the US format for personal reasons is actually far more entertaining and produces a better season (see: BB6 US) so that's not really a negative and plus I wouldn't mind that happening because at least it would be on merit and their own fault rather than because some idiotic voters don't like the fact they're a woman or spoke in an episode

[armand.kay]

BBCAN 2 was terrible until the public intervened

[Macie Lightfoot]

The cultures of reality TV in North America and elsewhere are way too solidified for any radical changes to be made at this point. You can't undo a decade and a half of history just because of what other countries are doing. Everything in the US (and Canada) is a reaction to Richard Hatch winning Survivor, and everything in the UK is a reaction to Nasty Nick getting expelled at Craig winning. If BBUK let the HMs discuss nominations and actively play the game, not only would the general public not respond well to it but the HMs really wouldn't know what to do. Just rewatch the first week of BB13 and see how that went.

And even so, if you like the BBUS format just watch BBUS and BBCan. If you like the BBUK format, just watch BBUK and CBB and BBAU :shrug: I don't think one format is inherently better than the other, but I will say that I think the best seasons of BBUK are better than the best BBUS seasons.

I also think BBCan is growing a little stale and has lost the magic from the first two seasons, but that's for another discussion.

[Samm]

I would rather get to know a person and watch messy characters argue over booze than watch people constantly plotting and talking about the game all the time. BBUS is good but the bbuk format is a lot more enjoyable to watch. And let's not act like looks, sex and laying low don't affect how far you get in the game. BBUS also lets horrid people advance further and I'm sorry this whole "but they're so entertaining" argument is bull****. Watching a bunch of dislikable jocks advance and. Make it further than all the decent people just isn't entertaining for me. The best of BBUK any international seasons.

This, I watch BBUS FOR BBUS and don't want another version over here

[armand.kay]

The cultures of reality TV in North America and elsewhere are way too solidified for any radical changes to be made at this point. You can't undo a decade and a half of history just because of what other countries are doing. Everything in the US (and Canada) is a reaction to Richard Hatch winning Survivor, and everything in the UK is a reaction to Nasty Nick getting expelled at Craig winning. If BBUK let the HMs discuss nominations and actively play the game, not only would the general public not respond well to it but the HMs really wouldn't know what to do. Just rewatch the first week of BB13 and see how that went.

And even so, if you like the BBUS format just watch BBUS and BBCan. If you like the BBUK format, just watch BBUK and CBB and BBAU :shrug: I don't think one format is inherently better than the other, but I will say that I think the best seasons of BBUK are better than the best BBUS seasons.

I also think BBCan is growing a little stale and has lost the magic from the first two seasons, but that's for another discussion.

If they didn't stop the nomination talk in bb13 the season would of bee awful. All the outsiders would of been culled.

[Jack_]

I would rather get to know a person and watch messy characters argue over booze than watch people constantly plotting and talking about the game all the time. BBUS is good but the bbuk format is a lot more enjoyable to watch. And let's not act like looks, sex and laying low don't affect how far you get in the game. BBUS also lets horrid people advance further and I'm sorry this whole "but they're so entertaining" argument is bull****. Watching a bunch of dislikable jocks advance and. Make it further than all the decent people just isn't entertaining for me. The best of BBUK any international seasons.

You get to know housemates in BBUS and BBCan far more than you do in BBUK because they have something we don't - live feed! I agree North American BB episode edits aren't as fleshed out as we have over here but that's because there's less of them, I wouldn't want to stop the daily shows even if we adopted their format and as a result you'd be able to develop characters better than they do in the US and Canada. The argument about 'endless gametalk' is totally false also, anyone who watches the feeds will know there's plenty of regular conversations because you cannot talk game for every minute of every day.

I don't think there's much difference between 'horrid' people making it further in different versions either, cause if you act like a twat you can make yourself a target under the US format. It isn't about who's more entertaining, it's about succeeding on merit. Entertaining housemates rarely do on BBUK because of the public vote and you generally only succeed with them if you're a man, attractive and never speak. This is irritating because the onus is on the viewers to keep the show afloat, under the US format I don't mind as much if a favourite of mine is evicted because it's at least usually their own fault

[Marsh.]

Except it's Big Brother UK, not Big Brother US or Canada.

Big Brother US has had the same format for 16 years and nobody's requesting it adopt another country's format.

The format is not the problem, the production is.

[Marsh.]

The argument about 'endless gametalk' is totally false also, anyone who watches the feeds will know there's plenty of regular conversations because you cannot talk game for every minute of every day.

It's not false, as we don't have live feeds anymore, so we'd be where we are now and have just the highlights shows which would be a series long version of the god awful first half of BB15 constantly talking about "Power" and "Veto" etc etc etc.

That's where the format isn't the issue, because the show would still be dragged down by awful production, regardless of the nominations/eviction process.

[Jason.]

With the right cast bbuk format will always be better than can and bbus.

I would rather get to know a person and watch messy characters argue over booze than watch people constantly plotting and talking about the game all the time. BBUS is good but the bbuk format is a lot more enjoyable to watch. And let's not act like looks, sex and laying low don't affect how far you get in the game. BBUS also lets horrid people advance further and I'm sorry this whole "but they're so entertaining" argument is bull****. Watching a bunch of dislikable jocks advance and. Make it further than all the decent people just isn't entertaining for me. The best of BBUK trumps any international seasons.

Except it's Big Brother UK, not Big Brother US or Canada.

Big Brother US has had the same format for 16 years and nobody's requesting it adopt another country's format.

The format is not the problem, the production is.

All of this. ^^^

[croft]

Imagine this series with the clique being allowed to openly plot to get Jayne, Andy, Evelyn etc out first. No ty.

Oh no... you're so wrong! Competitions change the whole dynamic! The clique my try to plot, but if their not Head of household, or win Veto, or any other comp, they will have some guns aimed at them. :dance:

That's why the format in the USA is great... it's not about popularity only or just about comp. You need to be strategic.

And if UK doesn't wanna copy the USA/CAN model in full, they should at least copy Brazil's where there is still HoH and other competitions that give chance for players to do something and create conflict. In Spain they also have some major **** stirring dynamics that always bring the drama.

I'm so tired of this beauty pageant and miss congeniality that BBUK has turned into...

[Klingonz]

No, no and NO.

[T*]

YASSSS

[iloveaisleyne]

If you like the BBCan format, watch BBCan instead of whining tbh

[Withano]

Would not be interested in any reality show that doesnt have a public vote. It will just be towie with nominations.

[EspeonBB]

I like the different formats between BBUS/BBCAN and BBUK :shrug:

I wouldn't change it, plus the public wouldn't respond well to a BBUS type show in the UK (see Survivor UK flopping despite it being a huge hit in America)

[Headie]

No, we have our own format that is simple and perfect as it is, it's only the production that are screwing the format up, however the last three evictions have shown that it works perfectly

Evictee #2: Natalie Rowe

https://uploadir.com/u/w9e2z1n7

[Headie]

The cultures of reality TV in North America and elsewhere are way too solidified for any radical changes to be made at this point. You can't undo a decade and a half of history just because of what other countries are doing. Everything in the US (and Canada) is a reaction to Richard Hatch winning Survivor, and everything in the UK is a reaction to Nasty Nick getting expelled at Craig winning. If BBUK let the HMs discuss nominations and actively play the game, not only would the general public not respond well to it but the HMs really wouldn't know what to do. Just rewatch the first week of BB13 and see how that went.

And even so, if you like the BBUS format just watch BBUS and BBCan. If you like the BBUK format, just watch BBUK and CBB and BBAU :shrug: I don't think one format is inherently better than the other, but I will say that I think the best seasons of BBUK are better than the best BBUS seasons.

I also think BBCan is growing a little stale and has lost the magic from the first two seasons, but that's for another discussion.

:clap1:

[armand.kay]

Also bb can barely get 1m views as it is a us format would kill the show.

[Marsh.]

In Spain they also have some major **** stirring dynamics that always bring the drama.

That's one of the biggest things that has ruined BBUK the last few years, the major **** **** stirring. It's dull and boring watching them have to guess who tweeted what offensive comment, or which person said this over exaggerated thing in their audition interviews, right through to playing diary room conversations etc etc. It's just crap.

[reece(:]

BBUK also doesn't have the budget of BBCan and US

[Ross.]

https://uploadir.com/u/w9e2z1n7

Escort Sam out of here

https://uploadir.com/u/w9e2z1n7

[azi]

I mean, I did try and escape three times…

except Maddie. Ugh. No, thank you. She is just pure poison.

:laugh2:


But no I rather it be the same. We already have two formats of that and only one of this (we used to have BBAU). And I don't think the UK public would enjoy the HGs evicting each other and having game plays.

[Marsh.]

Just look at the state of the reactions on here when the housemates evicted Danielle and Sam. :laugh: They'd hate a BBUS format.

[Samm]

https://uploadir.com/u/w9e2z1n7

Escort Sam out of here

https://uploadir.com/u/w9e2z1n7

One out of three

https://uploadir.com/u/w9e2z1n7

And let's not pretend that Natalie would of gone any further with a US format girlies

https://uploadir.com/u/w9e2z1n7

[Maxxie.]

I'd usually say that it wouldn't work as brits who go on BB are nowhere near competitive enough for the format to work like americans are although you could say the same about Canadians and their version is even better.

Saying that from BB17 UK I think especially Andrew as well as Hughie, Andy, Natalie and Jayne (The others basically) would actually suit great to the U.S format and remember how they wanted Alex and Jackson out because they were threats? That is a great example of game play that would work if the UK tried it.

[Maxxie.]

They could have something as an online only series or would that be too expensive??

[starry]

Nikki Grahame should have retired after the first series she was on. She was also useless on the Canadian version, having no tactics apart from her one trick of screaming.

It's obvious that things need changing, but with the cheap manipulating on CH5 it wouldn't matter which format as it still wouldn't work.

[JTM45]

Nikki Grahame should have retired after the first series she was on. She was also useless on the Canadian version, having no tactics apart from her one trick of screaming.


Totally agree!!!:clap1:

Nikki is awful and her 'act' is extremely limited and tediously repetitive.
One series of BB with her in it was more than enough for a lifetime.

I watch BB US and BB Canada and while i enjoy them for what they are why would we want a third country using the same format, especially when, when it was done properly, ours was far better (imo).

BB US format in the UK - NO THANK YOU!
Nikki Grahame - NO THANK YOU!

[Headie]

And let's not pretend that Natalie would of gone any further with a US format girlies

https://uploadir.com/u/w9e2z1n7

Natalie Rowe is BBUK's very own Danielle Reyes, lets not pretend otherwise

https://uploadir.com/u/w9e2z1n7

[Mystic Mock]

She means the US format right?

We've already got the Canadians scripted elements and their Showmances.

[Dominic]

No thx

[Yaki da]

As long as this show is on Channel 5 and produced by the people it is, it is beyond recovery.

[Mystic Mock]

No, we have our own format that is simple and perfect as it is, it's only the production that are screwing the format up, however the last three evictions have shown that it works perfectly

The first two evictions saw Marco and Natalie lose to Emma and Charlie who was duller in the vote, and have still contributed less to the series despite both lasting significantly longer.

How is that good voting?:conf:

[Marsh.]

Marco contributed nothing though?

[Mystic Mock]

Not at all, the US format is inherently more interesting and rewards housemates on merit as opposed to who's the most attractive, lucky enough to have a penis or who says or does nothing the entire series. Or a combination of all three

Tbf Cody got 2nd place in BB16 in the American one because all of the girls fancied him in the house, and Derrick saw him as a Bro.:joker:

[bananarama]

Would not be interested in any reality show that doesnt have a public vote. It will just be towie with nominations.

Same here. I often moan about the viewers voting out entertaining housemates to soon. However a BB without public participation would be one big bore. I would not watch such a BB format.

[Oliver_W]

Is there any reason a brand new show couldn't take the BBCan format, but not be called Big Brother?

[Mystic Mock]

Marco contributed nothing though?

He contributed discussion on the Forums for his delusions, his revolting behaviour, and his obsession with BDSM.

Emma and Charlie have given me nothing to want to discuss about them other than what are they still doing there when the public could've just simply voted them off?

Don't get me wrong Marco nor Natalie should've won, but they shouldn't have been the first two that the public voted off.

[reece(:]

Natalie Rowe is BBUK's very own Danielle Reyes, lets not pretend otherwise

https://uploadir.com/u/w9e2z1n7

She would've cunningly got Hughie up and out!

[Marsh.]

He contributed discussion on the Forums for his delusions, his revolting behaviour, and his obsession with BDSM.

Emma and Charlie have given me nothing to want to discuss about them other than what are they still doing there when the public could've just simply voted them off?

Being lightly slapped by a belt in order to try and seem even slightly mature sexually does not make him obsessed with BDSM.

I doubt he could even spell it. :smug:

[Macie Lightfoot]

The first two evictions saw Marco and Natalie lose to Emma and Charlie who was duller in the vote, and have still contributed less to the series despite both lasting significantly longer.

How is that good voting?:conf:

I for one like Emma and Charlie a lot more than I liked Marco and Natalie :shrug:

[_Tom_]

They can keep it.

[Mystic Mock]

Being lightly slapped by a belt in order to try and seem even slightly mature sexually does not make him obsessed with BDSM.

I doubt he could even spell it. :smug:

It's the closest to BDSM that Big Brother is ever going to reach is what I mean and it created topics on the Forum which as a fan I enjoy, wtf in particular has Emma given us?:laugh:

[Marsh.]

I for one like Emma and Charlie a lot more than I liked Marco and Natalie :shrug:

bUT DID THEY SHOUT?????!!!!!!!

Everyone knows the higher the volume, tHE BETTER THE HOUSEMATE!!!!!

[Marsh.]

It's the closest to BDSM that Big Brother is ever going to reach is what I mean and it created topics on the Forum which as a fan I enjoy, wtf in particular has Emma given us?:laugh:

It gave you topics about what his girlfriend posted on twitter, whether nipple sucking made other housemates uncomfortable and whether or not Marco was having some kind of breakdown or was born mentally retarded.

All contributing to one of the worst series of BB ever aired.

[Mystic Mock]

I for one like Emma and Charlie a lot more than I liked Marco and Natalie :shrug:

You're talking about likability though, that's irrelevant when watching a TV Show.

It's like watching Game Of Thrones and wanting the Lannister's off the screen before the story calls for it just because they're not "nice" but they're sure as hell more entertaining than a lot of the other characters on the show and it would be duller if they went before the show ended.

[MB.]

You're talking about likability though, that's irrelevant when watching a TV Show.

Erm, this show's a popularity contest Mock

[Marsh.]

You're talking about likability though, that's irrelevant when watching a TV Show.

It's like watching Game Of Thrones and wanting the Lannister's off the screen before the story calls for it just because they're not "nice" but they're sure as hell more entertaining than a lot of the other characters on the show and it would be duller if they went before the show ended.

I'm pretty certain by "like" Macie was referring to which ones he enjoyed watching. I.e. which ones entertain him. :laugh:

Also, the people in Big Brother are real people. Comparing it to enjoying evil characters in a show about dragons isn't really relevant. :hee:

[Mystic Mock]

It gave you topics about what his girlfriend posted on twitter, whether nipple sucking made other housemates uncomfortable and whether or not Marco was having some kind of breakdown or was born mentally retarded.

All contributing to one of the worst series of BB ever aired.

Doesn't matter what the topics are, at least some was being created so that I could discuss it with other fans of the show.

Housemates like Emma I cannot stand as there's nothing to discuss about her other than she's "nice" which on BB translates as doesn't speak or argue.

If we had more Housemates like Emma and Charlie instead of the Marco's and Natalie's then there wouldn't be a TIBB, and there certainly wouldn't be anything to discuss.

As I've said as long as Marco and Natalie didn't win the show but last a certain distance then they don't offend me.

[Macie Lightfoot]

You're talking about likability though, that's irrelevant when watching a TV Show.

It's entirely relevant because I'd much rather watch Emma and and Charlie than Marco and Natalie.

[Marsh.]

Doesn't matter what the topics are

:joker:

Ok. We will end the discussion there.

[Mystic Mock]

Erm, this show's a popularity contest Mock

It's first and foremost an entertainment show like all TV Shows are, then a Gameshow, then a popularity contest.

[Mystic Mock]

I'm pretty certain by "like" Macie was referring to which ones he enjoyed watching. I.e. which ones entertain him. :laugh:

Also, the people in Big Brother are real people. Comparing it to enjoying evil characters in a show about dragons isn't really relevant. :hee:

Real people or not you're still watching the show and nasty people make better TV than nice people that don't want to make waves or tell jokes in case it offends people.

[Mystic Mock]

:joker:

Ok. We will end the discussion there.

So you agree with me then as I notice that you didn't quote my very valid points that you know is true.:laugh:

[Marsh.]

Real people or not you're still watching the show and nasty people make better TV than nice people that don't want to make waves or tell jokes in case it offends people.

Charlie is someone who is nice, offering nothing to discuss, making no waves or jokes in case it offends people? Ok. :)

[Mystic Mock]

Charlie is someone who is nice, offering nothing to discuss, making no waves or jokes in case it offends people? Ok. :)

Well Charlie isn't seen as nasty is she? The way the show edits her is someone that's conflicted about her feelings for Jason, not some spiteful bitch that's wanting to take them all down.

And I've honestly never heard Charlie tell a joke have you? If so I must've missed it.:joker:

She's like a poor man's Lea from BB7.

[Marsh.]

So you agree with me then as I notice that you didn't quote my very valid points that you know is true.:laugh:

No. Nothing you said was valid.

Charlie was in your list of housemates who would offer nothing to discuss? Blatantly not true, she's one of the higher profile housemates in terms of discussion this series.

And it doesn't matter what topics are made as long as they are? Again, load of rubbish. We could have the forum filled with discussion on similar pancake related drama and it wouldn't in anyway, shape or form be a good thing.

[Marsh.]

Well Charlie isn't seen as nasty is she? The way the show edits her is someone that's conflicted about her feelings for Jason, not some spiteful bitch that's wanting to take them all down.

And I've honestly never heard Charlie tell a joke have you? If so I must've missed it.:joker:

She's like a poor man's Lea from BB7.

Yeah, acting like a bunny boiling, bi-polar bitch who kicks dogs is so wallpaper. We could replace her with a plant and there'd be no difference.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Real people or not you're still watching the show and nasty people make better TV than nice people that don't want to make waves or tell jokes in case it offends people.

That's not entirely true 100% of the time though. Every series is different it's not as easy as making blanket statements like "well he's nasty so he's entertaining" and "she's in a showmance so she's not a good housemate."

[Mystic Mock]

No. Nothing you said was valid.

Charlie was in your list of housemates who would offer nothing to discuss? Blatantly not true, she's one of the higher profile housemates in terms of discussion this series.

And it doesn't matter what topics are made as long as they are? Again, load of rubbish. We could have the forum filled with discussion on similar pancake related drama and it wouldn't in anyway, shape or form be a good thing.

Now I know that you're joking around.:joker:

You honestly think that having a show full of Emma's that give out nothing is better than having threads at all? Even if it's about Pancakes or whatever other mundane thing that you can think of? Pancake arguments remind me of the Ch4 days actually so I kind of like it.

And Charlie's high profile is the same as Jason's, a Showmance, yes admittedly it does give out more discussion on the Forums which gives her more of a pass than Emma because she's also behaving like a Bunny Boiler in the whole affair, but that's one thing.

[Marsh.]

That's not entirely true 100% of the time though. Every series is different it's not as easy as making blanket statements like "well he's nasty so he's entertaining" and "she's in a showmance so she's not a good housemate."

Exactly. Can anyone say they actually enjoyed much of Helen/Pauline in BB15 at their worst? Or Jade and her clan in CBB5?

Can't say I did.

[Marsh.]

Now I know that you're joking around.:joker:

You honestly think that having a show full of Emma's that give out nothing is better than having threads at all? Even if it's about Pancakes or whatever other mundane thing that you can think of? Pancake arguments remind me of the Ch4 days actually so I kind of like it.

And Charlie's high profile is the same as Jason's, a Showmance, yes admittedly it does give out more discussion on the Forums which gives her more of a pass than Emma because she's also behaving like a Bunny Boiler in the whole affair, but that's one thing.

No. YOU claimed any topic is better than no topic, not me. That's what we were discussing.

Apart from being a twat obsessed with poorly re-enacting scenes from pornhub, what did Marco offer?

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah, acting like a bunny boiling, bi-polar bitch who kicks dogs is so wallpaper. We could replace her with a plant and there'd be no difference.

Don't remind me of that as that makes me really hate the bitch.:fist:

But yeah being scripted a blatant Showmance does give her slightly less credit than someone that had that, and behaved like a deluded twat, argued on Georgina and saw right through her, did have discussions on how hyper he was, and how aggressive he could be towards other people in arguments, and how annoying that he could be.

Charlie it's just her thing with Jason in the house, and that she likes kicking Dogs, oooh what a character.

[Mystic Mock]

That's not entirely true 100% of the time though. Every series is different it's not as easy as making blanket statements like "well he's nasty so he's entertaining" and "she's in a showmance so she's not a good housemate."

It's extremely rare that a nasty Housemate on BB is one of the duller contestants of their year.

In fact the only time that I can think of it was Conor in BB13.

[Marsh.]

Don't remind me of that as that makes me really hate the bitch.:fist:

But yeah being scripted a blatant Showmance does give her slightly less credit than someone that had that, and behaved like a deluded twat, argued on Georgina and saw right through her, did have discussions on how hyper he was, and how aggressive he could be towards other people in arguments, and how annoying that he could be.

Charlie it's just her thing with Jason in the house, and that she likes kicking Dogs, oooh what a character.

Marco had NOTHING other than the drama with Laura/his fiancee on the outside. He had no personality to speak of.

Also, Charlie being a hateful bitch = great housemate according to your criteria. :smug:

[Mystic Mock]

Marco had NOTHING other than the drama with Laura/his fiancee on the outside. He had no personality to speak of.

Also, Charlie being a hateful bitch = great housemate according to your criteria. :smug:

Charlie being a hateful bitch doesn't make her the dullest of the series which I still standby that.

Emma and Alex are taking that title as they offer zero to the show, and ironically will probably be the final two despite being so dull.

[Mystic Mock]

But yeah I think even most Marco detractors wouldn't say that he had no personality whatsoever, otherwise there wouldn't have been people disliking him so badly like he was the male Helen Wood otherwise.

[Macie Lightfoot]

It's extremely rare that a nasty Housemate on BB is one of the duller contestants of their year.

In fact the only time that I can think of it was Conor in BB13.

Okay but that's a very quantity over quality approach. Like, Helen Wood definitely contributed to BB15 and she wasn't dull, but all she contributed to for me was my discomfort and dislike for the series. Same with people like Marc and Aaron.

I just think that if you're trying to use an objective approach to determine who The Best Housemates are, you're making an assumption that all contributions and entertainment are equal and it just matters that you're doing something rather than considering what you're actually doing. If that's the case, you can just count sentences in each episode and whoever speaks the most is The Best Housemate.

[Samm]

If Helen wood was the first evictee from BB15 the series would of been a lot more better fact.

[starry]

On the Marco/Natalie thing, I thought Natalie was better and very different to him. Marco thought entertainment was about sex, which was boring. Natalie just got the standard bad edit. Only later did we see that all the other HMs were annoyed with Jayne and the cleaning, only later did we see that Hughey likes to bring up and continue arguments.

And I don't think the problem with BBUK is the format, the problem is the manipulation and what's been done with the format (z-listers dominating). Being progressive and making it vote to save like the Australian version could work too.

The US version can work well, but can work poorly when it's too manipulated. As seen with the teams this year, put in just to keep the vets in longer. When you have one side controlling the house it gets boring.

[Slevin]

its kind of funny the US started a couple weeks before the UK did but US changed the format to what is now the next year. it just didnt work. i like a few BB for different reasons and dont really favor one over the other since in some years i liked a US/UK/CUK/AU/CA season better than one of the others in the same year. it just depends. sadly for me the worst US & UK seasons happened in the same summer which was also the last year UK had feeds. that was dreadful. the only way i wouldnt mind UK adopted the US is if it was a one off but not forever changed as this is the only one (plus celeb) that does it the way they do that i watch now since AU was canned. though the public vote overall is terrible.

[Mystic Mock]

Okay but that's a very quantity over quality approach. Like, Helen Wood definitely contributed to BB15 and she wasn't dull, but all she contributed to for me was my discomfort and dislike for the series. Same with people like Marc and Aaron.

I just think that if you're trying to use an objective approach to determine who The Best Housemates are, you're making an assumption that all contributions and entertainment are equal and it just matters that you're doing something rather than considering what you're actually doing. If that's the case, you can just count sentences in each episode and whoever speaks the most is The Best Housemate.

I get what you're saying and I agree to an extent that some of these Housemates are uncomfortable to watch, it's just that I would keep them around over people that give out nothing to the show, I'm not saying Marco or Natalie to win the show, I'm just saying that when Housemates like them face complete and utter dullards that offer absolutely zero to the programme, that the dullards leave instead.

It's like in BB16 when Danny and Chloe was the two dullest up in that quadruple eviction and they both survived, they both ended up contributing nothing to the series and the other four would've been better to keep around for a little bit.

[Mystic Mock]

If Helen wood was the first evictee from BB15 the series would of been a lot more better fact.

Now that's too soon.

Looking back on it Helen should've been evicted the week Matthew went as she'd achieved all of her best stuff at that point, and anything after that was just repetitive and not as good as her first 3 to 4 weeks imo.

[Eosvox]

As an American, let me just say that I much prefer the UK rules..I have tried to watch a few different series but rarely do i stick with them..I rather like that the housemates can plan, and execute anything they like, but ultimately it comes down to the public's feelings on them as to if the stay or go..