View Full Version : Andy never listens, just talks over people and makes snide comments...
Yaki da
03-07-2016, 08:14 PM
... Every other word the person he's talking to say.
For some reason viewers who - like Andy - think they're more intelligent than they are, seem to like this guy. But he never stops showing what a condescending prick he is.
Pete.
03-07-2016, 08:16 PM
He's awful and people are buying into his act for reasons beyond me :worry:
GiRTh
03-07-2016, 08:17 PM
Agree. Andy's a prick
DrunkerThanMoses
03-07-2016, 08:17 PM
Yes he should listen to the advice of these housemates who have done nothing but treated him like a scapegoat for weeks.
Yaki da
03-07-2016, 08:19 PM
Yes he should listen to the advice of these housemates who have done nothing but treated him like a scapegoat for weeks.
He's treated them like **** on his shoe in the way he talks to them and about them
Yaki da
03-07-2016, 08:21 PM
He's awful and people are buying into his act for reasons beyond me :worry:
He goes off to the diary room to congratulate himself for his integrity.
Self righteous twat.
Drew.
03-07-2016, 08:30 PM
He has his own views and opinions on things and 90% of the time he's right. Most of the people in there are on a different planet to him, why should he listen?
jennyjuniper
03-07-2016, 08:31 PM
He does listen. It's the likes of Lateisha, Hughie and Sam who screech over everyone else.And if he appears superior to most of the eejits in there, it's because he is.
Klingonz
03-07-2016, 08:31 PM
He has his own views and opinions on things and 90% of the time he's right. Most of the people in there are on a different planet to him, why should he listen?
Yes indeed!
erinp5
03-07-2016, 08:32 PM
I'm a Hughie fan and I thought Hughie was goading Andy , say it once but to follow the guy around the house saying the same thing is looking to start trouble.
OMGLattie
03-07-2016, 08:32 PM
How does he not listen? He isnt the one yelling over people and ganging up on people to get his point across.
Vanessa
03-07-2016, 08:34 PM
I think Andy is great and handled Hughie goading him brilliantly. Someone else could have decked him, but Andy is far too calm and collected for that.
OMGLattie
03-07-2016, 08:38 PM
I think Andy is great and handled Hughie goading him brilliantly. Someone else could have decked him, but Andy is far too calm and collected for that.
They want Andy to blow up. The little clique must be so furious that he hasnt stooped to their level yet and gotten into anyones face.
Vanessa
03-07-2016, 08:39 PM
They want Andy to blow up. The little clique must be so furious that he hasnt stooped to their level yet and gotten into anyones face.
He won't blow up. When he's really upset he just goes to the diary room :laugh:
... Every other word the person he's talking to say.
For some reason viewers who - like Andy - think they're more intelligent than they are, seem to like this guy. But he never stops showing what a condescending prick he is.
You're having a laugh. Andy is calm and reasonable while the others yell and screech so he can't get a word in edge ways. But you already know that. :smug:
OMGLattie
03-07-2016, 08:40 PM
He won't blow up. When he's really upset he just goes to the diary room :laugh:
Exactly and it upsets that little group who have to get into peoples faces and yell/screech without letting the other talk. Andy is more mature than they are and can have decisions without resorting to such childish behaviors.
Vanessa
03-07-2016, 08:42 PM
Exactly and it upsets that little group who have to get into peoples faces and yell/screech without letting the other talk. Andy is more mature than they are and can have decisions without resorting to such childish behaviors.
Yes, i'm loving Andy at the moment. The more they pick on him the more i like him. I always like an underdog :joker:
delta
03-07-2016, 08:44 PM
I'm a Hughie fan and I thought Hughie was goading Andy , say it once but to follow the guy around the house saying the same thing is looking to start trouble.
He needs goading he's a pr!ck of the highest order.
He's trying to justify his sneakiness, his snideyness- he would convince everyone if he could that his actions are justified, he never switches off and doesn't know how to enjoy himself, he's constantly watching, observing and judging then going back to whom ever and reporting back.
He pontificates from his Ivory Tower, a thoroughly distasteful human being, in denial and conniving.
Vicky.
03-07-2016, 08:46 PM
Don't really see why he should listen to someone insulting him and saying the same thing 3 times in a row? :laugh:
hot2go
03-07-2016, 10:09 PM
... Every other word the person he's talking to say.
For some reason viewers who - like Andy - think they're more intelligent than they are, seem to like this guy. But he never stops showing what a condescending prick he is.
I'm an Andy fan and I don't think I'm more intelligent, I know I'm intelligent, more than some not as much as others, but I don't think anything, I know myself.
Andy got a taste of his own gameplan tonight, plant the seed and make it look like you are being a friend.
Yaki da
03-07-2016, 10:15 PM
You're having a laugh. Andy is calm and reasonable while the others yell and screech so he can't get a word in edge ways. But you already know that. :smug:
He's not calm and reasonable at all. He's snide and passive aggressive and knows how to wind the others up before than playing the victim.
Yaki da
03-07-2016, 10:20 PM
Yes, i'm loving Andy at the moment. The more they pick on him the more i like him. I always like an underdog :joker:
He purposely goes looking for trouble so he can play the underdog, so that people like you do the typical BB viewer thing and get behind him.
Jan S
03-07-2016, 10:30 PM
oh boy
He's just stubborn and think he's always right and smarter than everyone else.
Patricia4
03-07-2016, 10:36 PM
He has his own views and opinions on things and 90% of the time he's right. Most of the people in there are on a different planet to him, why should he listen?
I agree and I would talk over people if I was in there with some of them idiots.
Yaki da
03-07-2016, 10:36 PM
He's just stubborn and think he's always right and smarter than everyone else.
And likes letting them feel that, which he knows full well they will react angrily to.
Jan S
03-07-2016, 10:44 PM
I'm an Andy fan and I don't think I'm more intelligent, I know I'm intelligent, more than some not as much as others, but I don't think anything, I know myself.
anyone would think being reasonably smart is:
a) something to hide
b) something that, should you let it slip out, you must immediately apologise for and appear humble
c) something best dumbed down because it makes others feel uncomfortable
*sighs*
anyone would think being reasonably smart is:
a) something to hide
b) something that, should you let it slip out, you must immediately apologise for and appear humble
c) something best dumbed down because it makes others feel uncomfortable
*sighs*
:clap1:
Yaki da
03-07-2016, 10:52 PM
anyone would think being reasonably smart is:
a) something to hide
It's not something you rub other people's faces in either.
b) something that, should you let it slip out, you must immediately apologise for and appear humble
Treating people in a smug manner is not the same as letting your intelligence slip out.
c) something best dumbed down because it makes others feel uncomfortable
*sighs*
No one wants him to dumb himself down. They just want him to stop being such an insufferably pompous arsehole.
hot2go
03-07-2016, 10:55 PM
oh boy
I know :laugh: none more blind than those who refuse to see
Maybe there's cross wires and we've been actually watching a different show :laugh:
It's not something you rub other people's faces in either.
Treating people in a smug manner is not the same as letting your intelligence slip out.
No one wants him to dumb himself down. They just want him to stop being such an insufferably pompous arsehole.
I know, you want him to yell and screech, be rude, run around with his shirt off and gossip behind peoples backs. Principles are old hat and something to be despised. I get ya! :smug:
Vicky.
03-07-2016, 10:58 PM
anyone would think being reasonably smart is:
a) something to hide
b) something that, should you let it slip out, you must immediately apologise for and appear humble
c) something best dumbed down because it makes others feel uncomfortable
*sighs*
Being thick is the new 'in' thing. The likes of Joey Essex are applauded ffs...its apparently 'endearing' to have nothing between the ears (or pretend to have nothing, which is even worse)
Yaki da
03-07-2016, 10:58 PM
I know, you want him to yell and screech, be rude, run around with his shirt off and gossip behind peoples backs. Principles are old hat and something to be despised. I get ya! :smug:
Don't want him to do anything of the sort. I already told you what I want... For him to stop being an insufferably pompous arse. This is unlikely though because it seems to just be in his nature.
Yaki da
03-07-2016, 10:59 PM
Being thick is the new 'in' thing. The likes of Joey Essex are applauded ffs...its apparently 'endearing' to have nothing between the ears (or pretend to have nothing, which is even worse)
Nothing to do with it. No one has a problem with intelligent housemates. They have a problem with pompous self righteous pricks.
vesavius
03-07-2016, 10:59 PM
He's not calm and reasonable at all. He's snide and passive aggressive and knows how to wind the others up before than playing the victim.
Indeed.
Jan S
03-07-2016, 10:59 PM
It's not something you rub other people's faces in either.
Treating people in a smug manner is not the same as letting your intelligence slip out.
No one wants him to dumb himself down. They just want him to stop being such an insufferably pompous arsehole.
we're never going to agree on this subject.
how do you feel he is rubbing people's faces in it?
smug is a case of personal inference - i'm not seeing smg when it comes to him. long-suffering, patient and incredibly controlled? yes.
they want him to not exist in the house. they don't like the mirror he holds up to their attitudes and behaviour just be being himself. if he shouted and pranced about, threw food and wore next to nothing, got off his head on drink and drama,he'd be warmly welcomed as one of their own.
Yaki da
03-07-2016, 11:00 PM
Long suffering. LOL
Don't want him to do anything of the sort. I already told you what I want... For him to stop being an insufferably pompous arse. This is unlikely though because it seems to just be in his nature.
Yeah, you've said that many times already. Can I eat my bran flakes now please?
joeysteele
03-07-2016, 11:09 PM
He likely ends up talking over them after listening a while but realising they are talking nonsense to him near all the time.
Why should he be bothered with or respect anyone doing that.
vesavius
03-07-2016, 11:12 PM
Being intelligent is fine, of course, but it's what other traits you surround that intelligence with that counts. If you use your intelligence to be a judgmental **** stirrer, then of course that's not a good thing.
Is Andy condescending, smug, patronising, and all the rest?
Well, yeah, of course he is.
Jan S
03-07-2016, 11:12 PM
Being thick is the new 'in' thing. The likes of Joey Essex are applauded ffs...its apparently 'endearing' to have nothing between the ears (or pretend to have nothing, which is even worse)
the tv producers are to blame for exploiting people like him to make money, paying them as celebrities for a limited shelf-life after which they get discarded and spend the rest of their lives chasing tv appearances and cultivating substance abuse/emotional/psychological issues :rolleyes: they should be celebrating people who've achieved something - whether it's becoming a doctor, an astronaut, an author, a scentist, an athlete - rather than just someone on tv because they've hair extensions, false boobs, fake tans, and will do anything for tv exposure and regular trips to sugar hut.
Jan S
03-07-2016, 11:14 PM
Yeah, you've said that many times already. Can I eat my bran flakes now please?
how very dare you be so passive-aggressively smug-faced arsey?
hot2go
03-07-2016, 11:15 PM
anyone would think being reasonably smart is:
a) something to hide
b) something that, should you let it slip out, you must immediately apologise for and appear humble
c) something best dumbed down because it makes others feel uncomfortable
*sighs*
It's sad ......people celebrate being thick ...it's a modern trend....even in the office task they promoted the housemate who kicked off and didn't work ...being stupid is rewarded so much that when someone isn't impressed by it that person gets attacked...it's inverted snobbery....Andy judges them on their appalling behaviour not their position in life but they judge him completely on how academic he is.....for all the shouting and drama and puffing out of the chests that some of them do, the person they are most scared of is Andy.
Lateysha says she's got no GCSEs like it something to be proud of, like its something she's not responsible for.....she's wears her Vulger and course personality like a badge of honour ...Andy represents everything they failed at but that's no reason he should feel ashamed of that or should have to sink to their level....he can't bring them to his level, they will only pull him down to theirs, he's waiting his time trying to reason with morons.
He likely ends up talking over them after listening a while but realising they are talking nonsense to him near all the time.
Why should he be bothered with or respect anyone doing that.
Yes Joey, you can sense that he's so frustrated at being misunderstood and criticised yet he tries so hard to keep his cool and his dignity - and he does an amazing job of it.
When you look at Laytesha and Chelsea losing their heads over trivialities like pancakes, in comparison Andy's composure under personal attack in is even more admirable.
we're never going to agree on this subject.
how do you feel he is rubbing people's faces in it?
smug is a case of personal inference - i'm not seeing smg when it comes to him. long-suffering, patient and incredibly controlled? yes.
they want him to not exist in the house. they don't like the mirror he holds up to their attitudes and behaviour just be being himself. if he shouted and pranced about, threw food and wore next to nothing, got off his head on drink and drama,he'd be warmly welcomed as one of their own.
Hes not god though and cant complain when he gets called oit when he is disecting evryones personality himself.
RavenleFey
03-07-2016, 11:30 PM
I don't see him as smug at all. He listens and puts his point across in a calm and dignified manner. And he shows moments of kindness like talking to Evelyn before and after the evictions.
Jan S
03-07-2016, 11:32 PM
Long suffering. LOL
so??? how do you feel he's rubbing people's faces in it?
how very dare you be so passive-aggressively smug-faced arsey?
:joker: Yeah, Andy can't win, can he?
Jan S
03-07-2016, 11:35 PM
Hes not god though and cant complain when he gets called oit when he is disecting evryones personality himself.
i'm failing to see anyone, least of all andy (whom i see as a very nice, normal person of reasonable intellect), thinking he's godlike
gawd, i need to type something i can smug-emote to
ConnieLingus
03-07-2016, 11:38 PM
Why should he have to listen a cretin like Hughie?
Travellers like Hughie are despised in his own country, for some very good reasons. Why should Andy .listen to someone from a community where Hughie's family upload YouTube videos threatening people?
Hes not god though and cant complain when he gets called oit when he is disecting evryones personality himself.
I haven't seen him dissecting anyone's never mind everyone's personality. Can you give examples?
i'm failing to see anyone, least of all andy (whom i see as a very nice, normal person of reasonable intellect), thinking he's godlike
gawd, i need to type something i can smug-emote to
He may not be god but he thinks hes above everyone who dares talk about someone or something that doesnt interest him.
Mr self rightious leaving the bbc because of a dumb assed boxer slating homosexuality and then being entered into the sports personality of the year, never mind the saville cover ups andy, its not like that hurt anyone.:smug:
He may not be god but he thinks hes above everyone who dares talk about someone or something that doesnt interest him.
Mr self rightious leaving the bbc because of a dumb assed boxer slating homosexuality and then being entered into the sports personality of the year, never mind the saville cover ups andy, its not like that hurt anyone.:smug:
So? Did Andy leaving the bbc hurt anyone? Why is that a problem for you?
I haven't seen him dissecting anyone's never mind everyone's personality. Can you give examples?
Yes, he did it with lateysha after their argument, hes done it with jason and charlie infact he does it just about everytime he,s in the diary room...christ he even did it with jackson during tonights episode..:joker:
So? Did Andy leaving the bbc hurt anyone? Why is that a problem for you?
It just shows me that he loves to play the self righteous card when really it's all just self promotional bull**** designed to hoodwink the gullible viewers.
Amy Jade
03-07-2016, 11:49 PM
I don't see him as smug at all. He listens and puts his point across in a calm and dignified manner. And he shows moments of kindness like talking to Evelyn before and after the evictions.
He cones across as very smug to me, even when I quite liked him at the start you could tell he thought very highly of himself
Yes, he did it with lateysha after their argument, hes done it with jason and charlie infact he does it just about everytime he,s in the diary room...christ he even did it with jackson during tonights episode..:joker:
You've just given me names of people whose personalities you believe he dissected and where, that isn't examples. I didn't see him dissecting anyone's personalities so can you be more specific?
It just shows me that he loves to play the self righteous card when really it's all just self promotional bull**** designed to hoodwink the gullible viewers.
Are you so suspicious of everyone or just intelligent people? :laugh:
Jan S
03-07-2016, 11:53 PM
:joker::joker::joker::joker:Are you so suspicious of everyone or just intelligent people? :laugh:
You've just given me names of people whose personalities you believe he dissected and where, that isn't examples. I didn't see him dissecting anyone's personalities so can you be more specific?
Can you not just re watch tonights show and watch his discussion with jackson, I'm a bit busy to trawl through hours of recorded episodes.
Are you so suspicious of everyone or just intelligent people? :laugh:
:joker:
If i can see through his gameplan he aint that intelligent jet..
Can you not just re watch tonights show and watch his discussion with jackson, I'm a bit busy to trawl through hours of recorded episodes.
Yes, I seen it and I noticed nothing out of the ordinary. I didn't see any dissecting of a personality going on. Could you at least explain how he dissected Jackson if you won't give any other examples?
Yes, I seen it and I noticed nothing out of the ordinary. I didn't see any dissecting of a personality going on. Could you at least explain how he dissected Jackson if you won't give any other examples?
Dont you think him telling jackson that he thought georgina wasnt for him (or sommething like that) means that he must have delved into jacksons personality to be able to come to that conclusion?
Or was it his plant the seed gameplan kicking in again?
Dont you think him telling jackson that he thought georgina wasnt for him (or sommething like that) means that he must have delved into jacksons personality to be able to come to that conclusion?
Or was it his plant the seed gameplan kicking in again?
Yes he studied him in depth with a microscope and came to the same conclusion after all that delving as most of us did (and some of the other HM's as well.) Really, you can't be serious. :joker:
Yes he studied him in depth with a microscope and came to the same conclusion after all that delving as most of us did (and some of the other HM's as well.) Really, you can't be serious. :joker:
He must have, on the outside jackson looked happy enough being ordered around by georgina so he must have went baws deep into him to think something different to what jackson has said.
camertone
04-07-2016, 01:00 AM
He has his own views and opinions on things and 90% of the time he's right. Most of the people in there are on a different planet to him, why should he listen?
yep, andy is allergic to stupid.
ConnieLingus
04-07-2016, 01:09 AM
Hes not god though and cant complain when he gets called oit when he is disecting evryones personality himself.
Andy has suggested he has no belief that a God actually exists, so therefore cannot possibly consider himself to be one.
He must have, on the outside jackson looked happy enough being ordered around by georgina so he must have went baws deep into him to think something different to what jackson has said.
He simply said he thought Georgina wasn't right for him, which many people have said over and over already. No dissecting necessary, many came to that conclusion by watching the show for 45 minutes a night whereas Andy is in there in close proximity 24/7. If a HM you liked had said that to Jackson, would it be a big problem?
Jackson went on to tell Andy how he and Georgina were when alone together and Andy then made a nice comment about what he said. I don't see the problem, I really don't. But Andy will always get flak anyway so it's to be expected. :shrug:
It's sad ......people celebrate being thick ...it's a modern trend....even in the office task they promoted the housemate who kicked off and didn't work ...being stupid is rewarded so much that when someone isn't impressed by it that person gets attacked...it's inverted snobbery....Andy judges them on their appalling behaviour not their position in life but they judge him completely on how academic he is.....for all the shouting and drama and puffing out of the chests that some of them do, the person they are most scared of is Andy.
Lateysha says she's got no GCSEs like it something to be proud of, like its something she's not responsible for.....she's wears her Vulger and course personality like a badge of honour ...Andy represents everything they failed at but that's no reason he should feel ashamed of that or should have to sink to their level....he can't bring them to his level, they will only pull him down to theirs, he's waiting his time trying to reason with morons.
..wow, as much as Andy should be proud of his academic acheivements..(whatever they all are..)..I really don't see those lack of academic achievements as any measure of 'failure' in anyone.../they say nothing whatsoever about a person and Lateysha for instance has just as much reason to feel a similar pride to Andy...
hot2go
04-07-2016, 09:16 AM
..wow, as much as Andy should be proud of his academic acheivements..(whatever they all are..)..I really don't see those lack of academic achievements as any measure of 'failure' in anyone.../they say nothing whatsoever about a person and Lateysha for instance has just as much reason to feel a similar pride to Andy...
Read my post again. .. I said Andy judges them on their appalling behaviour towards him, not by their position in life...Its THEY who judge Andy by his position in life ... He only measures them by how they treat others, by their lack of self discipline and by the pride they take in being immature and unintelligent. That's where they have failed in comparison to Andy. You are assuming it's about his academic achievements just like they do. Every situation in the house that has made Andy respected on the outside people like Lateysha and Sam have failed by behaving the exact opposite. That's their choices but when those choices blow up in their faces they blame other people for it in this case Andy.
Read my post again. .. I said Andy judges them on their appalling behaviour towards him, not by their position in life...Its THEY who judge Andy by his position in life ... He only measures them by how they treat others, by their lack of self discipline and by the pride they take in being immature and unintelligent. That's where they have failed in comparison to Andy. You are assuming it's about his academic achievements just like they do. Every situation in the house that has made Andy respected on the outside people like Lateysha and Sam have failed by behaving the exact opposite. That's their choices but when those choices blow up in their faces they blame other people for it in this case Andy.
....hmmm, no actually my comments were about 'failure' being attached to lack of academic achievements is all...I didn't comment on how Andy judged people...
hot2go
04-07-2016, 12:43 PM
....hmmm, no actually my comments were about 'failure' being attached to lack of academic achievements is all...I didn't comment on how Andy judged people...
Lateyshas lack of learning is not the failure, it's her lack of wanting to learn and her refusal to listen or learn from the examples placed in front her that are the failure.
She could have learnt from Georgina how to be less Vulger in how she speaks but she didn't.
She could learn from Jason how to have self control when being confronted but instead encouraged Charlie's tirade of abusive.
She could learn from Andy how to be heard without shouting and screaming but instead dismissed the idea and just shouted even louder then before.
She's stupid. And because Andy isn't she judging him for it.
Too busy shouting to ever listen.
Lateyshas lack of learning is not the failure, it's her lack of wanting to learn and her refusal to listen or learn from the examples placed in front her that are the failure.
She could have learnt from Georgina how to be less Vulger in how she speaks but she didn't.
She could learn from Jason how to have self control when being confronted but instead encouraged Charlie's tirade of abusive.
She could learn from Andy how to be heard without shouting and screaming but instead dismissed the idea and just shouted even louder then before.
She's stupid. And because Andy isn't she judging him for it.
Too busy shouting to ever listen.
..I still don't understand how she would be termed as stupid and Andy not by this...so basically being herself and has been herself throughout her time in there and Andy also being himself through his time, so the same really..neither is stupid or more intelligent, just different characters/personalities and just down to us, the viewers, which we find more things we like to see in someone in the context of a gameshow situation...this has no bearing though on the original descriptions of 'celebrating thick', 'morons' or 'failed'....I don't see any lessons that are being learned in the house from any of them, which is mostly the case in all BB's anyway...these would be more things that would be learned in re-visiting and reflecting etc..(and watching back on video..)...so, I don't think that's something of relevance atm...(I don't see Georgina as never having been 'vulgar' in some things that she said about Evelyn..)...:laugh:...but her terminology was spoken in a much more posh accent...terminology though is just words, nothing more and nothing less... it doesn't really tell me much about a person so it's not something I consider very much with someone's character...some very quiet/controlled people can be quite nasty and some very shouty, sweary ones can be quite lovely, I find....
Shaun
04-07-2016, 01:17 PM
His pitiful attempt at explaining to Jason and Natalie - who by all means were quiet and willing to hear him out - why we should stay in the EU pretty much confirmed him as an intellectual lightweight (even though I'm team Remain :p)
He seems to have no patience in explaining what he finds objectionable or wrong with what the others talk about, and I'm so bored of him whining in the diary room about no one being on his supposed level. His shutdown of Sam's ghost story was rude, his objections to "talking about Jason" are futile and pointlessly self-righteous since...well...everyone talks about people they know. That is a fact of life. That he gets so upset and feels the need to even things out is through no other interest than trying to make himself a wonderful pariah, tbh.
Just find it laughable that some are all flocking towards the 'nice guy' now after deriding Chloe's win and championing Helen's. Especially when this is a guy whose VT literally introduced himself as "that brave soul who tackled mean old Tyson Fury :( :( :("
jennyjuniper
04-07-2016, 01:32 PM
Lateyshas lack of learning is not the failure, it's her lack of wanting to learn and her refusal to listen or learn from the examples placed in front her that are the failure.
She could have learnt from Georgina how to be less Vulger in how she speaks but she didn't.
She could learn from Jason how to have self control when being confronted but instead encouraged Charlie's tirade of abusive.
She could learn from Andy how to be heard without shouting and screaming but instead dismissed the idea and just shouted even louder then before.
She's stupid. And because Andy isn't she judging him for it.
Too busy shouting to ever listen.
YES:clap1::clap1:
ebandit
04-07-2016, 01:35 PM
.....sanctimonious...
Mark L
his objections to "talking about Jason" are futile and pointlessly self-righteous since...well...everyone talks about people they know. That is a fact of life.
But not everyone has to like or accept it. It takes all sorts. What are things coming to when someone not liking people talking behind backs is seen as a terrible characteristic to have..
Jason IS his friend and that's where his loyalty lies.
Just because you're intelligent doesn't mean you should be arrogant by not taking on board what others have to say. Andy immediately dismisses anything he doesn't agree with and that is rude. Whether he's intelligent or not.
....as opposed to the others who take on board all criticism and change their ways immediately? Have you seen how THEY react to anything negative? :joker:
Andy listens very well when he is not being yelled at or goaded. When that happens his defences go up and he becomes a bit stiff and introverted. How he remains so calm I just don't know. They yell at him and lose their heads while he remains articulate and composed and they can't stand that. Why doesn't he shout back? Why doesn't he get in my face? What a arrogant ass!
He listened to advice from Jason and last night from Jayne and said to her that he'd take her advice on board. They spoke to him adult to adult, not yelling attention seeking harpie to adult.
joeysteele
04-07-2016, 02:45 PM
Yes Joey, you can sense that he's so frustrated at being misunderstood and criticised yet he tries so hard to keep his cool and his dignity - and he does an amazing job of it.
When you look at Laytesha and Chelsea losing their heads over trivialities like pancakes, in comparison Andy's composure under personal attack in is even more admirable.
:joker: I know how he must feel at times jet.
letmein
04-07-2016, 02:57 PM
Andy thinks because the public didn't evict him, he's been vindicated.
:joker: I know how he must feel at times jet.
I get ya! :)
Shaun
04-07-2016, 03:01 PM
But not everyone has to like or accept it. It takes all sorts. What are things coming to when someone not liking people talking behind backs is seen as a terrible characteristic to have..
Jason IS his friend and that's where his loyalty lies.
It's just a moral highground that's always taken with embarrassing consequences. Every time someone says "I don't like talking about other people behind their backs", they are seen doing so within a week. And coupled with his general lack of effort to get to know anyone, and his disregard for their supposed inferior intellect, it smacks of pointless condescension.
You can have composure and be arrogant. In fact arrogance is almost always delivered in a composed manner.
Is it better that he doesn't scream at people? Of course. But does that make him exempt from being arrogant and rude? Absolutely not.
You see arrogance, I see introversion and a stiff dignity in being isolated, misunderstood and targeted.
I don't see rude as a characteristic at all. He's better mannered than most of them in there by far.
It is rude to state your opinion, patiently listen to theirs and then when they've finished walk away. That's not just being introverted. That is rude, immature and something he should work on.
Believe it or not I like Andy! Just that the way he talks to people he has disagreements with will almost always end badly because of the way both they AND he conducts themselves.
Sorry, I genuinely don't recall that. Could you remind me?
In the pebble room Andy confronted the 'popular crew' about talking about Hughie.
After a while Sam & Andy got into it where Andy asks if Sam has talked about anyone behind their back. Sam says he hasn't and that Andy is speculating, trying to make him look bad. Andy literally gets up in silence and walks to the door. Only when Ryan asks him why he's leaving Andy says " I know when there's no point in continuing a conversation".
Thanks, I remember that, but Sam was blatantly lying because Andy heard him talking behind Hughies back. We all did! So what point was there in continuing? Andy could have called him a liar, he could have repeated what Sam said and embarrassed him, he could have hollered and made a scene, but he didn't, he chose to remove himself from the situation before he was tempted to do any of those things. I'm sure he was already feeling the pressure at having Laytesha screeching and going ballistic at him.
I'm sure he didn't do it to be deliberately rude Sassy. It's all in the context. Compared to most of them, he's a real gent.
Since when did this show become Battle of the Geniuses? It's a personality contest. Andy can have all the degrees in the world, but all the book knowledge in the world can't fix a ****ty attitude/personality.
Ithinkiloveyoutoo
04-07-2016, 09:28 PM
He's winning after that engagement. People love him
mr rochester
04-07-2016, 09:31 PM
He does listen. It's the likes of Lateisha, Hughie and Sam who screech over everyone else.And if he appears superior to most of the eejits in there, it's because he is.
This...
...some great posts Sassy..:love:...and really similar to where my thoughts are with Andy as well..I don't dislike him, I find him very interesting but I guess, what some are seeing as 'strengths'..?...I'm seeing as his very weaknesses and his flaws, as it were... Ultimately the aim should be to resolve something, otherwise what's the point? ...these words Sassy really say it beautifully...it's so brought into play about his apparent intelligence etc and his 'composure'...great traits to have, eh...?....but only if they bring positives both for him and for those around him../in his environment and on the whole, they're not...they are contributing to negative behaviour in others..because they're making others feel inferior and that could never be a good thing or ever bring a calming influence to the house..so for me, his communication is extremely poor...also because maybe he isn't that 'pompous/arrogant' person at all...he's just someone who is acting and re-acting in a way that has become something that his past and his environment and his life have 'advantaged' him in ...which is natural..but then he's coming across as being judgemental of others for the exact same thing....Hughie's a traveller, I believe..?...so I doubt that his environment has been about all sitting around the table and 'calmly resolving', either with family or peers etc....he's a product of his environment is he not..?...the same with Latisha and, ya know...people around her/in her life...the swearing etc and the shouting sometimes and it's just her, what she knows..?...why should they be judged for those things because they haven't had the advantages or influences that others may have had..?...and they have great and admirable qualities too...Lateysha has been a very caring/maternal and supportive presence in the house...Hughie may blow up and blow off in his anger but he does calm quite quickly and often apologises...that's a 'control' that he's learned in the same way as Andy has learned certain controls in his behaviour....we could see with Marco, how his 'spoilt' came into play in the house because of his privileges in life when he behaved grimly and said stuff like...'I have shoes worth more than you'...(or something similar..)...because (I believe..)...'a product of his life and his privileges..'..?...it's what we all are isn't it..and no different for Lateysha, Hughie or anyone else in the house with their typical behaviour patterns...so if Andy really was using his apparent intelligence, then he wouldn't be making them..and I mean any of them feel in some way inferior or less-educated..?...he would be making them feel their worth which for any human being is substantial....
..anyways, I loved him last night because he showed his vulnerabilities and an Andy that we haven't seen because he's 'controlled' that Andy...which I think has been a weakness, not a strength...Jet my man..just think about it and all of the things that you admire about him..?..if you were in the house also, you would probably hang out all day with Andy because of those things, would you not..?../find him a good person to be around..?...and I can understand that...but ONLY, ONLY if he was making you feel 'on a level' as it were...if he made you feel about this small, about this inadequate, about this dumb and etc etc..(points to something very small..)...you really wouldn't be seeing it quite the same because no one likes that feeling, baby...like Sassy, I do quite like him and find him intriguing....but for me, only because I do see his weaknesses and how poorly he's communicating himself because it's a fact that he's making some feel a bit 'inferior' for being who they are and who they can't help being....he's coming across as judging them for their breaks in life and things that they haven't had any control over....
..that was a short post as well because I have work...
Vanessa
05-07-2016, 06:03 AM
Love Andy :lovedup:
..you know as well Jet that I'm going to get a bit defensive because my work is more with the 'Hughie's' whose abilities of 'control' and 'expression' are not what the 'Andy's' have had through no fault of their own... but who I can see have really achieved and are achieving something amazing in how they compose themselves and what they have and do seem to be learning...
But not everyone has to like or accept it. It takes all sorts. What are things coming to when someone not liking people talking behind backs is seen as a terrible characteristic to have..
Jason IS his friend and that's where his loyalty lies.
I suppose knowing someone for 2 weeks gives you the right to meddle in their personal affairs by repeating idle titty tattle.:shrug:
I suppose knowing someone for 2 weeks gives you the right to meddle in their personal affairs by repeating idle titty tattle.:shrug:
I found it interesting last night when Georgina on BOTS was asked who she wanted evicted next, and she said Chelsea. Her reasons were that he was always repeating in Jason's ear what Charlie said about him and then repeating to Charlie what Jason said about her.
Did we see any of this on the HL shows? No. Did any of the HM's target or nominate him for this like they did with Andy? No. Jason is supposed to be Chelsea's friend just like Andy is. Andy was being loyal to his friend yet he's the one treated like he murdered someone. Unbelievable.
...anyways, I loved him last night because he showed his vulnerabilities and an Andy that we haven't seen because he's 'controlled' that Andy...which I think has been a weakness, not a strength...Jet my man..just think about it and all of the things that you admire about him..?..if you were in the house also, you would probably hang out all day with Andy because of those things, would you not..?../find him a good person to be around..?...and I can understand that...but ONLY, ONLY if he was making you feel 'on a level' as it were...if he made you feel about this small, about this inadequate, about this dumb and etc etc..(points to something very small..)...you really wouldn't be seeing it quite the same because no one likes that feeling, baby...like Sassy, I do quite like him and find him intriguing....but for me, only because I do see his weaknesses and how poorly he's communicating himself because it's a fact that he's making some feel a bit 'inferior' for being who they are and who they can't help being....he's coming across as judging them for their breaks in life and things that they haven't had any control over....
I too loved seeing the vulnerable side of Andy, and it isn't the first time. Remember how he broke down after hearing how hurtful some of the nominations were? I think we would have seen that side more (and a funny side too because I think we would see a great sense of humour if he 'let go' in there) if he hadn't been targeted from the start as being 'superior'. As you know, academic intelligence doesn't always equate to emotional intelligence and I think some others in the house might well be more emotionally intelligent than he is. So is that his fault any more than it is theirs that he is better educated etc?
Yes, I would most definitely hang out with him, probably more than any of them. I don't think he deliberately tries to make others look small and I think that aspect of him is blown way, way out of proportion. You see one thing then you look for it in everything that person does and suddenly that person becomes the 'thing'.
And we are all judgemental, to a certain degree. Just look around at our posts, just because we can do it in the safety of a forum and not directly so nobody can shun us for being judgemental...and Andy is being judged for being judgemental. :hee:
I see someone with a good heart whose way of dealing with things that bother him is the right way in his own mind (and I quite like the oddity and individualism of it!) :hee: but he is learning too - he listened to Jayne very quietly and told her he would take her advice on board - I don't think he was ever being malicious and most can see that because he is rather well liked by many, isn't he?
I found it interesting last night when Georgina on BOTS was asked who she wanted evicted next, and she said Chelsea. Her reasons were that he was always repeating in Jason's ear what Charlie said about him and then repeating to Charlie what Jason said about her.
Did we see any of this on the HL shows? No. Did any of the HM's target or nominate him for this like they did with Andy? No. Jason is supposed to be Chelsea's friend just like Andy is. Andy was being loyal to his friend yet he's the one treated like he murdered someone. Unbelievable.
Chelsea will get more noms than Andy today.
Amy Jade
05-07-2016, 10:54 AM
Ammi :clap1:
Amy Jade
05-07-2016, 10:58 AM
Andy's 'breakdown' at the nominations were his own fault - if he doesn't like being called a snake don't crawl around the house stirring all day.
He is a proven liar, he lied to Jason's face about the discussion over his daughter - Charlie never even said anything she just confirmed what Jason had told Jayne and Andy twisted it so he would look like the noble white knight.
Amy Jade
05-07-2016, 11:01 AM
I found it interesting last night when Georgina on BOTS was asked who she wanted evicted next, and she said Chelsea. Her reasons were that he was always repeating in Jason's ear what Charlie said about him and then repeating to Charlie what Jason said about her.
Did we see any of this on the HL shows? No. Did any of the HM's target or nominate him for this like they did with Andy? No. Jason is supposed to be Chelsea's friend just like Andy is. Andy was being loyal to his friend yet he's the one treated like he murdered someone. Unbelievable.
Because Andy was caught out twice :laugh:
The housemates are just now cottoning on to Chelsea being jus as bad.
Because Andy was caught out twice :laugh:
The housemates are just now cottoning on to Chelsea being jus as bad.
Wrong. This was when Georgina was in the house, not 'just now'.
And if they were just cottoning on to it why haven't they even mentioned Jason and Charlie? All they said was he was going around saying 'i like you' etc.
They haven't gone haywire on him either like they did with Andy (but then Chelsea isn't such an easy target to pick on, is he? The cowards. Lietaysha can spout off to her little cronies to try and get him nominated, but she hasn't the guts to tackle him.
Ellen
05-07-2016, 11:20 AM
Andy's 'breakdown' at the nominations were his own fault - if he doesn't like being called a snake don't crawl around the house stirring all day.
He is a proven liar, he lied to Jason's face about the discussion over his daughter - Charlie never even said anything she just confirmed what Jason had told Jayne and Andy twisted it so he would look like the noble white knight.
But she didnt just confirm what Jayne said, she went on saying that she only found out 2 months before the end that he had a daughter. Andy told Jason that. It was not a lie.
Amy Jade
05-07-2016, 11:24 AM
Wrong. This was when Georgina was in the house, not 'just now'.
And if they were just cottoning on to it why haven't they even mentioned Jason and Charlie? All they said was he was going around saying 'i like you' etc.
They haven't gone haywire on him either like they did with Andy (but then Chelsea isn't such an easy target to pick on, is he? The cowards. Lietaysha can spout off to her little cronies to try and get him nominated, but she hasn't the guts to tackle him.
Lateysha has had bust ups with both Andy and Chelsea so i'm not following you at all, I think you just see whatever it is that fits the 'Poor Andy' agenda.
Yes the Chelsea being sly has just been spotted the last weekend - Evelyn and Georgina said just before Georgina's eviction he had been telling all four nominees he would miss them most, before that people didn't have a bad word to say about him but after that a few have also spoken up about him doing it.
Amy Jade
05-07-2016, 11:30 AM
But she didnt just confirm what Jayne said, she went on saying that she only found out 2 months before the end that he had a daughter. Andy told Jason that. It was not a lie.
That's correct. That's nothing about his daughter though, is she seriously not allowed to discuss their previous relationship?
If she had said it maliciously I'd get him telling Jason but all she said was the truth, Andy could have left it or told him the context instead of flat out lying that Charlie was discussing his daughter when she wasn't.
Lateysha has had bust ups with both Andy and Chelsea so i'm not following you at all, I think you just see whatever it is that fits the 'Poor Andy' agenda.
Yes the Chelsea being sly has just been spotted the last weekend - Evelyn and Georgina said just before Georgina's eviction he had been telling all four nominees he would miss them most, before that people didn't have a bad word to say about him but after that a few have also spoken up about him doing it.
Having a row over pancakes and tackling him about being two faced are 2 different things. But then only Andy has the guts to do that.
And I repeat, why did they not go nuts on Chelsea whispering to Jason and Charlie about what they were saying about each other which was happening when Georgina was still in the house yet they jumped on Andy right away for just telling his best friend?
joeysteele
05-07-2016, 11:48 AM
Having a row over pancakes and tackling him about being two faced are 2 different things. But then only Andy has the guts to do that.
And I repeat, why did they not go nuts on Chelsea whispering to Jason and Charlie about what they were saying about each other which was happening when Georgina was still in the house yet they jumped on Andy right away?
Dead right jet.
However really good highlights in my view for Andy last night and hopefully he now is seen for the more genuine guy he is.
Dead right jet.
However really good highlights in my view for Andy last night and hopefully he now is seen for the more genuine guy he is.
Yes joey, I agree the HLs were great. It was lovely seeing Andy so happy and relaxed. :)
Amy Jade
05-07-2016, 12:04 PM
Having a row over pancakes and tackling him about being two faced are 2 different things. But then only Andy has the guts to do that.
And I repeat, why did they not go nuts on Chelsea whispering to Jason and Charlie about what they were saying about each other which was happening when Georgina was still in the house yet they jumped on Andy right away for just telling his best friend?
We won't see eye to eye on this at all because you are far too keen to make Andy into a victim and I can't take it seriously at all :laugh:
Andy was caught whispering and resulted in a pretty big bust up. People took note of it. Since we have never seen Chelsea outight caught why would anyone confront him? if anyone could it would be Evelyn or Andy as going by what Georgina said they were the two others who Chelsea used the 'i'll miss you most' line on. Even Jayne has noticed Andy is sneaky ffs. Maybe the likes of Lateysha should clock Chelsea instead of saying what she thinks to others but maybe she is biding her time or doesn't feel the need to try and life coach a full grown man.
But anyway as I said this convo is dead really because Saint Andy can do no wrong can he, he's such a great friend telling his bestie half truths :hee:
Crimson Dynamo
05-07-2016, 12:06 PM
"I dont like the ring"
Yeah that marriage is gonna last
:umm2:
Amy Jade
05-07-2016, 12:07 PM
"I dont like the ring"
Yeah that marriage is gonna last
:umm2:
Ungrateful prick isn't he LT :fist:
camertone
05-07-2016, 12:09 PM
... Every other word the person he's talking to say.
For some reason viewers who - like Andy - think they're more intelligent than they are, seem to like this guy. But he never stops showing what a condescending prick he is.
This post has no merit in facts or in reality, unless it is about someone like Lateisha or Hughie.. Those two especially don't let others finish their sentences, interrupts, and shout over.
We won't see eye to eye on this at all because you are far too keen to make Andy into a victim and I can't take it seriously at all :laugh:
Andy was caught whispering and resulted in a pretty big bust up. People took note of it. Since we have never seen Chelsea outight caught why would anyone confront him? if anyone could it would be Evelyn or Andy as going by what Georgina said they were the two others who Chelsea used the 'i'll miss you most' line on. Even Jayne has noticed Andy is sneaky ffs. Maybe the likes of Lateysha should clock Chelsea instead of saying what she thinks to others but maybe she is biding her time or doesn't feel the need to try and life coach a full grown man.
But anyway as I said this convo is dead really because Saint Andy can do no wrong can he, he's such a great friend telling his bestie half truths :hee:
Are you just pretending not to understand or....WE didn't see it but THEY did and they didn't confront OR nominate him. Do you not find that hypocritical?
Of course Andy can do wrong, he's human, his fans just get defensive whenever other people act like he can do no right. You'd be the same with Laytesha. :hee:
Ungrateful prick isn't he LT :fist:
:facepalm:
Crimson Dynamo
05-07-2016, 02:50 PM
Ungrateful prick isn't he LT :fist:
a real lady would never
:hmph:
We're supposed to judge/assess/analyse the HM. That's the whole point of the show - to watch AND analyse/critique their behaviour.
Andy's "role" involves living/surviving with 16+ other people. His "judgement" of others that he's currently living with will cause friction. Plus, solidifies people's point that Andy sees himself in a senior position to the other HM.
But we judge and analyse all the time, not just here, or maybe you don't? :shrug:
Every time the HM's talk about people behind their backs they are judging them in some way and causing friction as well in their own unique ways. Andy is just more honest and forthright about it, and really, you'd think he was doing it every hour of the day when there were only 2 occasions when he did what he seen as right whether anyone agrees it was judgemental or not...it's all overblown. :shrug:
.... And as a reporter he's used to observing and communicating his findings so it could be he's doing what comes naturally and is analysing/assessing/judging because he's bored out of his mind among all the fake tan and fake tantrums and doesn't have a laptop or whatever like we have to pontificate on in a forum. :hee:
Tbh, did this even happen? Georgina seems on a mission to get a gig as the next Nicky Graham and promote her 20 year olds in New York show. She knew how unpopular she was, and is now saying what the public want to hear.
She said " I know you think I'm going to pick Evelyn..." so all of a sudden she doesn't want Evelyn out anymore? All of a sudden she's not bothered about Jackson in the shower, when she wouldn't even "let" Jackson look at Evelyn putting on makeup?
All just a ploy to raise her own status
I see no reason why she would lie about that and be so specific about it. That's a big stretch.
Sometimes Andy lacks emotional intelligence to read a room and recognise that no one wants his opinion right now. His timing and delivery is poor, which is why he can't resolve the conflicts he has with people.
That's the thing: he's not a reporter in there. He's a housemate. His inability (at times) to take off his analytical hat is what makes people feel uncomfortable.
It's one thing to be judged by the public - that's the entire point of this show. It's another to be judged by your fellow housemate, who should view himself in the same boat as you.
Andy can position himself as a viewer/observer, when really he's a pawn in the game (as they all are).
Yes, I said upthread that academic intelligence and emotional intelligence don't always go hand in hand and he does lack that at times. So we agree on that. :hee:
But take it from me as one who has reporter friends - they NEVER entirely take off their reporter hats. It's my opinion a reporter is born, not made. But it doesn't mean my friends are one - dimensional people looking to catch me out on mistakes I make and point out my failings any more than Andy is. Maybe if they are very bored they might get tetchy and lapse a little..:laugh:
And you know really we know squat about any of them. BB likes to show footage that feeds into a stereotype so very often we see dimensions of a person over - played and other parts of them that might show something else entirely may be fleeting or never see the light of day. Of course we can only comment on what we see. I often wonder if we met the HM's in real life and got to know them would we like and dislike the same people....
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