Who was in the right - Hughie & Ryan or Andy?

[Headie]

Easily Ryan and Highie. Andy made himself look like a complete twat

[Vicky.]

OMFG this argument nearly topped pancake-gate

STONED TO DEATH.....STONED!!!!

[Oaker]

Hughie and Ryan.

Andy is my least fave now.

[Jack_]

Well obviously not Andy but he deserves a round of applause for that cause it was hilarious

[LukeB]

Andy

[Vicky.]

Posted before I finished somehow, yeah Andy was way OTT tbh. BUT, everyone outside (bar Laura) was agreeing with him but seemed to keep quiet once it kicked off? Weird.

[Amy Jade]

Hughie. Clearly.

[Headie]

OMFG this argument nearly topped pancake-gate

STONED TO DEATH.....STONED!!!!

:joker:

[Vicky.]

Hughie and Ryan.

Andy is my least fave now.

OMG you can't be serious. Even if he was ridiculous and OTT it was bloody hilarious :laugh:

[Lostie!]

I'm not on either side. Andy was over the top and irritating, Hughie can't have an adult debate to save his life and Ryan's, well … Ryan.

Well obviously not Andy but he deserves a round of applause for that cause it was hilarious

But yes this too :laugh:

[azi]

Andy was so extra.

[Oaker]

OMG you can't be serious. Even if he was ridiculous and OTT it was bloody hilarious :laugh:

I did find it lowkey funny but he was so out of line it was ridiculous :umm2:

[Braden]

The joke itself was a petty attempt at poking fun of Andy's engagement, but the way Andy manipulated it into a human right issue was pretty pathetic.

[Drew.]

Neither side. Andy shouldn't have reacted like that to a joke and Ryan & Hughie were almost baiting Andy with the engagement itself

[Headie]

I'm not on either side. Andy was over the top and irritating, Hughie can't have an adult debate to save his life and Ryan's, well … Ryan.



But yes this too :laugh:

This isn't shade but how come you were team Hughie when him and Natalie argued over pointless thing and he was shouting the same as he dies now?

I'm genuinely curious because I just view Hughie the same as he was at the start I honestly don't think he's changed :laugh:

[armand.kay]

The joke itself was a petty attempt at poking fun of Andy's engagement, but the way Andy manipulated it into a human right issue was pretty pathetic.

Basically this.

[Mystic Mock]

I haven't watched the episode, but if Andy's took a joke seriously then his in the wrong.

[Headie]

The queen of gay marriage has spoken

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[Cherie]

Just seen a clip in BOTS, Andy has totally lost it :hee:

[Macie Lightfoot]

The joke itself was a petty attempt at poking fun of Andy's engagement, but the way Andy manipulated it into a human right issue was pretty pathetic.

...x

[Oaker]

The queen of gay marriage has spoken

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Can legend Danni please not do this

[Amy Jade]

Just seen a clip in BOTS, Andy has totally lost it :hee:

Just saw the same thing, the really funny part is he claims to be the most intelligent guy in there but Laura and Hughie both talked more sense than night in tonights hl

[Cherie]

Just saw the same thing, the really funny part is he claims to be the most intelligent guy in there but Laura and Hughie both talked more sense than night in tonights hl


:clap2:

[Maru]

Crap, I voted wrong Andy (-1)

Meant to vote Ryan & Hughie :laugh:

Might've been because I was actively thinking Andy was in the wrong

[Jordan.]

The queen of gay marriage has spoken

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I miss when she was a strict christian doing the pushing

[Jan S]

Neither side. Andy shouldn't have reacted like that to a joke and Ryan & Hughie were almost baiting Andy with the engagement itself

pretty much agree with this, with the addition that andy needs to realise not everyone thinks at the same level he does, and their ''joke'' was really more a weak attempt at annoying him about his own engagement.

[joeysteele]

I'd have leaned to Andy.
However it went on way to long and never needed to escalate how it did.

What was Chelsea wanting to be there for anyway when Hughie came to where Andy and Jason was.
That far from helped matters.

[BENDERBOY]

Andy, the other two are cretins.

[*mazedsalv**]

Even Ed is on Ryan and Hughie's side ffs.

That's when you know you've f'd up.

[rionablue]

Easily Ryan and Highie. Andy made himself look like a complete twat

God almighty who is voting for Andy. I have never ever seen such an idiotic over reaction and rampant rant in my life. GET A F U CKING SENSE OF HUMOUR YOU DOPE

[jet]

Even Ed is on Ryan and Hughie's side ffs.

That's when you know you've f'd up.

Did you even listen to what Ed actually said...you are picking out the bit that suits your agenda...not cool.

[*mazedsalv**]

Did you even listen to what Ed actually said...you are picking out the bit that suits your agenda...not cool.

Yes... he said he would have found it funny and Andy overreacted.

[jet]

Yes... he said he would have found it funny and Andy overreacted.

Yes, and you missed out the bits where he explained why Andy overreacted. To suit your agenda.

[Daniel-X]

The joke itself was a petty attempt at poking fun of Andy's engagement, but the way Andy manipulated it into a human right issue was pretty pathetic.

Tea.

[Shaun]

Fail to see how there's any proof of it being an attempt to mock Andy's good news; they all seemed to be happy for him. Doing a copycat joke of something isn't necessarily demeaning it, and if you're that insecure about your engagement then that's your issue. Personally, I'd consider Andy being unappreciative of the engagement ring as more of an alarm bell than a joke between two annoying housemates.

[Maru]

Fail to see how there's any proof of it being an attempt to mock Andy's good news; they all seemed to be happy for him. Doing a copycat joke of something isn't necessarily demeaning it, and if you're that insecure about your engagement then that's your issue. Personally, I'd consider Andy being unappreciative of the engagement ring as more of an alarm bell than a joke between two annoying housemates.

Yes! Everyone keeps talking about this amazing sense of great judgement Andy but he often speaks before he thinks. Hughie & Ryan had no role in in minimizing his engagement. In fact, it was him who minimized it by going into such a ridiculous rant for reality TV. He could've rode that high and bolstering his own morale, then gave his views a great platform to open discussion about gay rights. I think even the rest of the house would've been on board if he was inclusive about it. Instead, he is often excluding people from discussions due to his own conceit and arrogance. If he were actually so wise, he would've realized they're all on the same team then and he could've used that to build bridges, but no, he's too busy being a re-narrating reactionary fool. His discussions are always him versus everyone else... he obviously has some kind of inferiority complex... it's boring.

And to think for a bit there I really thought he had a chance to be a comeback hero...

[Ammi]

Well obviously not Andy but he deserves a round of applause for that cause it was hilarious

..yeah quite the performance eh, Jack...:laugh:...Laura's face was so funny though../her total bewilderment of it all..'he's talking about people being stoned'...OMG, what..does that happen..?..I know the subject matter is serious but her face though.../bless...

[jet]

Yes! Everyone keeps talking about this amazing sense of great judgement Andy but he often speaks before he thinks. Hughie & Ryan had no role in in minimizing his engagement. In fact, it was him who minimized it by going into such a ridiculous rant for reality TV. He could've rode that high and bolstering his own morale, then gave his views a great platform to open discussion about gay rights. I think even the rest of the house would've been on board if he was inclusive about it. Instead, he is often excluding people from discussions due to his own conceit and arrogance. If he were actually so wise, he would've realized they're all on the same team then and he could've used that to build bridges, but no, he's too busy being a re-narrating reactionary fool. His discussions are always him versus everyone else... he obviously has some kind of inferiority complex... it's boring.

And to think for a bit there I really thought he had a chance to be a comeback hero...

:joker: Yes, he's so boring that he has us talking about him at 4am in the morning and is often the main topic of discussion around here. I haven't heard anyone say he has an amazing sense of great judgement or wisdom, as you proclaim. We that like him say he has his own principles and he is often socially awkward. He's a normal enough, flawed but kind enough soul who is more like the kind of HM you would get in the days when BB was about the diversity of the man in the street and not about dim witted attention seeking fame*****s who flaunt themselves about mindlessly half naked and having sex while looking to see if the camera is catching the moment. Not about fake tans and fake boobs and who can shout the loudest and be the most dramatic in the DR by practically having a put - on nervous breakdown.
He's causing drama but not in the old hat anything - goes ways of recent times. He's refreshingly different and that's why we think he's a great HM. He doesn't have to have a showmance, screech like a banshee, walk around shirtless, or be Mr. Nice Guy who makes it to the end by doing fuke all. He just has to be Andy. :thumbs2:

[jet]

..yeah quite the performance eh, Jack...:laugh:...Laura's face was so funny though../her total bewilderment of it all..'he's talking about people being stoned'...OMG, what..does that happen..?..I know the subject matter is serious but her face though.../bless...

Hi Ammi! Are you on holiday too and still up? I've got another week off - bliss.

[Ammi]

Hi Ammi! Are you on holiday too and still up? I've got another week off - bliss.

...morning to you, Jet..:love:..no this is my average waking up time and why I struggle to stay awake after 9pm...:laugh:...plus I have so much work to do at home atm and so much stuff going on that it's becoming hard to switch off from it...

[jet]

...morning to you, Jet..:love:..no this is my average waking up time and why I struggle to stay awake after 9pm...:laugh:...plus I have so much work to do at home atm and so much stuff going on that it's becoming hard to switch off from it...

I fell asleep this afternoon and didn't wake until 7pm so I've been wide awake well past my bedtime. Going to turn in now though. Nighty night! :love:

[Ammi]

I fell asleep this afternoon and didn't wake until 7pm so I've been wide awake well past my bedtime. Going to turn in now though. Nighty night! :love:

...awww, I hate when that happens and you sleep such a deep sleep in daytime hours and then it messes up your sleeping pattern...and think of all the chores you could have done yesterday as well..:laugh:...yeah you go give Mrs Jet a hug in bed before she starts her day with you lagging behind, you enjoy your day sir and take care..:love:..

[ConnieLingus]

OMFG this argument nearly topped pancake-gate

STONED TO DEATH.....STONED!!!!

What a disgusting post. Are you suggesting people don't get stoned to death for being homosexual?

Next you'll be telling us that religious headcases don't throw members of the LGBT community from 10 storey buildings either...or take their heads off with swords.

Put your caps away and go and think about what some minorities fight for, and die for.

At least Andy has some perspective about what people should refrain from kidding about at this time. Imagine the reaction on here and elsewhere if Ryan and Hughie had been kidding that they had just drawn an image of mohammed holding hands with a guy?...the whole world would be in turmoil right now, never mind BB and this site.

Does that explain why Andy might not find their prank funny...or would their drawing just be seen as a joke too, if they carried it out?

No. I thought not.

[jennyjuniper]

Even though Andy can be too serious for his own good sometimes, I'm with Andy on this. Hughie and Ryan were baiting him. Why make fun of him when it's not that long ago Ryan had to more or less tell Hughie 'enough was enough' with baiting Andy.

[kirklancaster]

Easily Ryan and Highie. Andy made himself look like a complete twat

Andy is a complete twat.

[Jamie89]

Andy was completely out of line.

His logic about gay marriage being off limits to mocking because campaigners have fought for it is way off. People have fought, not only for it to be able to happen, but to 'normalise' it, in which case if it's as normal as 'straight marriage' then it is equally as open to mocking, and gay people can mock gay marriage as much as straight people can mock straight marriage, because if we have equal marriage rights, then the gay/straight distinction within marriage, shouldn't be relevant. And the fact that Hughie and Ryan were able to mock 'marriage' without people questioning the validity of it based on them both being men, actually highlights the success of those campaigners, because if you want something to be treated as equal, then you have to take the good and the bad, 'the bad' including mocking.
Andy, although I do believe his intentions were good, is the one in this situation whose attitude was offensive to the gay people who campaigned for equal rights, because he's the one who took something that everyone else was treating as normal, and turned it into something that should be looked at and treated differently because it involved gay people.

[Ammi]

Andy was completely out of line.

His logic about gay marriage being off limits to mocking because campaigners have fought for it is way off. People have fought, not only for it to be able to happen, but to 'normalise' it, in which case if it's as normal as 'straight marriage' then it is equally as open to mocking, and gay people can mock gay marriage as much as straight people can mock straight marriage, because if we have equal marriage rights, then the gay/straight distinction within marriage, shouldn't be relevant. And the fact that Hughie and Ryan were able to mock 'marriage' without people questioning the validity of it based on them both being men, actually highlights the success of those campaigners, because if you want something to be treated as equal, then you have to take the good and the bad, 'the bad' including mocking.
Andy, although I do believe his intentions were good, is the one in this situation whose attitude was offensive to the gay people who campaigned for equal rights, because he's the one who took something that everyone else was treating as normal, and turned it into something that should be looked at and treated differently because it involved gay people.


....hmmmm, see I don't even think that his intentions were good Jamie..I think that his intentions were game-play....his 'intelligence' to me seem to be too often, to observe opportunities that he can manipulate to make others look bad or worse than they are..etc...

[kirklancaster]

Andy was completely out of line.

His logic about gay marriage being off limits to mocking because campaigners have fought for it is way off. People have fought, not only for it to be able to happen, but to 'normalise' it, in which case if it's as normal as 'straight marriage' then it is equally as open to mocking, and gay people can mock gay marriage as much as straight people can mock straight marriage, because if we have equal marriage rights, then the gay/straight distinction within marriage, shouldn't be relevant. And the fact that Hughie and Ryan were able to mock 'marriage' without people questioning the validity of it based on them both being men, actually highlights the success of those campaigners, because if you want something to be treated as equal, then you have to take the good and the bad, 'the bad' including mocking.
Andy, although I do believe his intentions were good, is the one in this situation whose attitude was offensive to the gay people who campaigned for equal rights, because he's the one who took something that everyone else was treating as normal, and turned it into something that should be looked at and treated differently because it involved gay people.

Another excellent post from you Jamie - one which I totally agree with, except the part which I have emboldened.

I do not personally believe Andy is the nice, benign guy which a lot of members on here seem to think he is, because virtually from day one, I have considered him a very crafty, intelligent game-player, who will do anything to win, and up to now he has played the BB game perfectly.

He has back-stabbed and told tales, and this latest 'faux' outrage from him, and his cynical clutching of the 'Gay Rights' banner, over a bit of harmless fun from Hughie and Ryan, is yet just another example of cunning Andy exploiting a situation to enamour himself with the viewers.

Andy is THE most devious of a house crammed with devious people, but he is - probably - the most convincing actor.

[Jamie89]

....hmmmm, see I don't even think that his intentions were good Jamie..I think that his intentions were game-play....his 'intelligence' to me seem to be too often, to observe opportunities that he can manipulate to make others look bad or worse than they are..etc...

Another excellent post from you Jamie - one which I totally agree with, except the part which I have emboldened.

I do not personally believe Andy is the nice, benign guy which a lot of members on here seem to think he is, because virtually from day one, I have considered him a very crafty, intelligent game-player, who will do anything to win, and up to now he has played the BB game perfectly.

He has back-stabbed and told tales, and this latest 'faux' outrage from him, and his cynical clutching of the 'Gay Rights' banner, over a bit of harmless fun from Hughie and Ryan, is yet just another example of cunning Andy exploiting a situation to enamour himself with the viewers.

Andy is THE most devious of a house crammed with devious people, but he is - probably - the most convincing actor.

You could both be right on that, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt more than anything, because I sort of imagine that he views himself as some kind of gay rights hero in his every day life, in which case his opinions on this I'd imagine might be the same on the outside as they were in the house. That being said though, his line at the end of the show I definitely think was for the cameras...
Talking to himself: "Why can't you keep your mouth shut. Because too many people keep their mouths shut"
I think that part was very much contrived. But I still think his emotional reaction when the situation arose, as much as I think he was in the wrong like I said in my post, was possibly genuine to how he felt.

[Vanessa]

Not Andy doing a Halfwit. :facepalm:

[Ellen]

Although i do think Andy was a bit OTT i can understand him not been happy at them taking the p out of his engagement to Ed and thats basically what it was. They chose Andy who Hughie has an issue with as seen only a couple of days ago so it looked like another chance to have a go. Some people dont like been ridiculed even if in pretend jest.

[kirklancaster]

Although i do think Andy was a bit OTT i can understand him not been happy at them taking the p out of his engagement to Ed and thats basically what it was. They chose Andy who Hughie has an issue with as seen only a couple of days ago so it looked like another chance to have a go. Some people dont like been ridiculed even if in pretend jest.

I just think that the whole 'engagement' proposal from Ed to Andy was opportunistic fakery - like those idiots who cannot spell the word 'CAT' going down on one knee on Jeremy Kyle.

[Vanessa]

It was just a joke, fgs ! I doubt Hughie and Ryan were mocking Andy. Now they can't have a laugh in there without someone getting offended :facepalm:

[Ammi]

Although i do think Andy was a bit OTT i can understand him not been happy at them taking the p out of his engagement to Ed and thats basically what it was. They chose Andy who Hughie has an issue with as seen only a couple of days ago so it looked like another chance to have a go. Some people dont like been ridiculed even if in pretend jest.

...hmmm yeah, the same could be said of Andy's 'pretend jest' of not being keen on his engagement ring though, Ellen...(I'm assuming he was joking as it would be a very harsh/insensitive thing to say..)..so a thing said in jest of something with such meaningful representation ...so he's therefore making up the rules according to Andy in terms of what's 'allowable'../ in ok taste and what isn't...(which is essentially being completely judgemental of others which is often how he's projecting himself..)...

[Ellen]

...hmmm yeah, the same could be said of Andy's 'pretend jest' of not being keen on his engagement ring though, Ellen...(I'm assuming he was joking as it would be a very harsh/insensitive thing to say..)..so a thing said in jest of something with such meaningful representation ...so he's therefore making up the rules according to Andy in terms of what's 'allowable'../ in ok taste and what isn't...(which is essentially being completely judgemental of others which is often how he's projecting himself..)...

Yeah that was not nice if he meant it, he prob did! :shocked:
We can all be like that though cant we, find something funny but when its done to us its not so....
I think a lot had to do with who was doing the joking tbh

[mizzy25]

Andy went way over the top. I doubt Hughie or Ryan knew gays did actually get stoned to death in this day and age. there only early 20s so prob pay no attention to news, I know I didn't when I was that age. However Hughie is a bisexual, Irish, Traveller so Im pretty sure he knows prejudice more than anyone else about his sexuality. Andy was just trying to hard to get the gay vote IMO

[Patricia4]

I'm with Andy on this Hughie and Ryan were taking the pi** out of him.

[Chero]

I think that Andy had a valid point, but he way overreacted. Hughie had a valid point as well, but he way overreacted. I can relate to Andy more than the other housemates (even though I'm a hetero woman), but it's more because I don't think quite the same as other people sometimes. He makes a lot of social mistakes, but his thinking is rational, if you know what I mean. I think it's an introvert thing, tbh.

[Cal.]

Hughie and Ryan

[Robertocarlo]

Sorry but I think Andy was right. Hughie needs to stop shouting and getting argumentative he's making himself look foolish not Andy.

[Jan S]

:joker: Yes, he's so boring that he has us talking about him at 4am in the morning and is often the main topic of discussion around here. I haven't heard anyone say he has an amazing sense of great judgement or wisdom, as you proclaim. We that like him say he has his own principles and he is often socially awkward. He's a normal enough, flawed but kind enough soul who is more like the kind of HM you would get in the days when BB was about the diversity of the man in the street and not about dim witted attention seeking fame*****s who flaunt themselves about mindlessly half naked and having sex while looking to see if the camera is catching the moment. Not about fake tans and fake boobs and who can shout the loudest and be the most dramatic in the DR by practically having a put - on nervous breakdown.
He's causing drama but not in the old hat anything - goes ways of recent times. He's refreshingly different and that's why we think he's a great HM. He doesn't have to have a showmance, screech like a banshee, walk around shirtless, or be Mr. Nice Guy who makes it to the end by doing fuke all. He just has to be Andy. :thumbs2:

:cheer2:

[rusticgal]

It was a pathetic argument all round. Andy was wrong to make it into what it was but it was really about him and his proposal.
Ryan and Hughie are a very immature pathetic couple...their immature joke appeared to mock Andys engagement... I felt for Andy but he over reacted and should have let it play out then have a word with the two dickheads.

[Vicky.]

What a disgusting post. Are you suggesting people don't get stoned to death for being homosexual?

Next you'll be telling us that religious headcases don't throw members of the LGBT community from 10 storey buildings either...or take their heads off with swords.

Put your caps away and go and think about what some minorities fight for, and die for.

At least Andy has some perspective about what people should refrain from kidding about at this time. Imagine the reaction on here and elsewhere if Ryan and Hughie had been kidding that they had just drawn an image of mohammed holding hands with a guy?...the whole world would be in turmoil right now, never mind BB and this site.

Does that explain why Andy might not find their prank funny...or would their drawing just be seen as a joke too, if they carried it out?

No. I thought not.

LOL. Overreaction or what :D

I know people do get stoned to death thanks, and thrown off buildings.

However, the delivery of the rant was so ****ing amusing. Sorry if this offends you

[Shaun]

Sorry but I think Andy was right. Hughie needs to stop shouting and getting argumentative he's making himself look foolish not Andy.

Pretty sure it was Andy who started shouting "STONED TO DEATH!! STONED!!!" first but ok

[Lostie!]

This isn't shade but how come you were team Hughie when him and Natalie argued over pointless thing and he was shouting the same as he dies now?

I'm genuinely curious because I just view Hughie the same as he was at the start I honestly don't think he's changed :laugh:

I really thought Natalie did a lot more to bring that reaction out of people, I could imagine myself losing it when faced with her goading me too.

Another factor is just that I've generally grown tired with Hughie more recently and it's easier to enjoy aspects of someone if you strongly like them, likewise it's easier to find certain things frustrating if you're already getting irritated by them. The thing is here I'm not on Andy's side as I was on Hughie's side previously, this time I'm not taking either side because both sides of the argument did something to wind me up :laugh:

I do actually understand why he lost his temper this time too actually, I'm just more or less over it, and him, by this point.

[Epic.]

I'm rewatching BB17 and i've finally reached this problematic ****e once again. Needless to say Andy was being a grade A twat, regardless how funny it was

[Greg!]

God this has given me war flashbacks. I DETESTED Andy with every fibre in my body (still do tbh).

[Dominic]

anyways Andy is an underrated king and him constantly dragging Ryan/Hughie >>>>

Ignore my 2016 vote

[Greg!]

Feel sorry for the 26 people that voted in favour of Andy

[Dominic]

Feel sorry for the 47 people that voted in favour of Hughie & Ryan

:clap1:

This is not a self drag btw as Brenda voted in that poll not me :hee:

[Ashley.]

Andy because I don't like Hughie x

[Greg!]

why am I getting fuming and violent feelings thinking about a big brother housemate from over a year ago

[Epic.]

anyways Andy is an underrated king and him constantly dragging Ryan/Hughie >>>>

Ignore my 2016 vote

Hardly dragging when he made a right tit of himself and borderline homophobic about it "You can't joke about it because it's been fought for generations!!"

[Greg!]

Andy was just so self-important and snobby. The guy looked down on other people just because they didn't want to talk about Brexit 24/7. Twat

[Epic.]

Andy because I don't like Hughie x

That's not what the subject of the poll relates to

[Jason.]

Natalie Rowe is my favourite housemate of BB17 and I wanted somewhere to post this.