Is Annihilation Week a step towards the adoption of a BBUSA format?

[Pete.]

Just wondering if this is a sort of trial :think:

[Nerd]

I do hope so. But if they're going to go that way next time, they really need to stick to the rules of BBUSA, and not throw in these half-arsed twists. Maybe they should use a shorter CBB to fully test out the HoH, PoV and eviction rules.

[Denver]

you say that like they have never let the housemates decide who goes before

[Jack_]

With any luck eh?

[armand.kay]

I hope not.

[Marsh.]

Not really. They've done it before. It's a channel 5 obsession now.

Along with "secret" rooms, cash give aways and face to face noms.

[MB.]

The HoH room to be revealed post-series a la the BB8 washing machine?

[Jamie89]

Not sure, I don't know if it's so much a trial, as it is a coincidence that the latest twist just happens to resemble the BBUS format. I'd be here for it though, I used to be completely against the idea but I'd like them to at least do one full (or mini) series where they try it out. I don't think you can properly trial something like that in one week.

[Oliver_W]

I want another moment like Kween Maddy's "I'm letting my target be known: Cassandra, your ass is grass"

[Greg!]

Stop trying to make the US format happen. It's not going to happen

[Raph]

It would make my day if this was the case

[Maru]

Please no

[Jack_]

It would make my day if this was the case

Another member who knows what's best, welcome to the club Raph :clap1:

[LukeB]

I hope this is the case, I don't really care I just hate the UK format. It's getting awful and I just want to see people win HOH, slit some throats(not actually do that but a BBUSA/CAN fan will know what I'm saying) and make smart moves etc.

[Jack_]

I hope this is the case, I don't really care I just hate the UK format. It's getting awful and I just want to see people win HOH, slit some throats and make smart moves etc.

:clap1:

[Greg!]

Not being funny but if you want to watch the BBUS format, watch BBUS or BBCAN

[Jack_]

Not being funny but if you want to watch the BBUS format, watch BBUS or BBCAN

Of all the arguments that gain traction on here, this is one of the dumbest and I don't know why it keeps being repeated

I do watch BBUS and BBCan and will continue to, but if some people who watch those versions and prefer their format think that BBUK would be better suited to adopting it - they are entitled to say so. Because it would.

It's just a silly argument. If I enjoy a format why wouldn't I want another place to be able to watch it? And one for that matter that I could watch British people competing on and also be given the opportunity to apply for it myself

[Greg!]

Of all the arguments that gain traction on here, this is one of the dumbest and I don't know why it keeps being repeated

I do watch BBUS and BBCan and will continue to, but if some people who watch those versions and prefer their format think that BBUK would be better suited to adopting it - they are entitled to say so. Because it would.

It's just a silly argument. If I enjoy a format why wouldn't I want another place to be able to watch it? And one for that matter that I could watch British people competing on and also be given the opportunity to apply for it myself

That's literally like saying "I like coronation street more than eastenders so to improve eastenders they should axe the cast, move the show to Manchester and bring some northerners in because I personally find it more entertaining". Bbus and bbuk are two completely different TV shows

[Cal.]

That's literally like saying "I like coronation street more than eastenders so to improve eastenders they should axe the cast, move the show to Manchester and bring some northerners in because I personally find it more entertaining". Bbus and bbuk are two completely different TV shows

:clap1:

[Jack_]

That's literally like saying "I like coronation street more than eastenders so to improve eastenders they should axe the cast, move the show to Manchester and bring some northerners in because I personally find it more entertaining". Bbus and bbuk are two completely different TV shows

That's a really weak analogy. You cannot compare two completely different serial dramas that have different casts and different scripts. People who watch only one of EastEnders and Coronation Street do so because they have no interest in the other.

You can however compare two shows with exactly the same name and exactly the same premise, just different methods of conducting nominations and evictions. Because I have an interest in both, but prefer the format of one over the other.

[Ross.]

slit some throats

D:

[armand.kay]

Stop trying to make the US format happen. It's not going to happen

This can you just watch BBUS and leave the superior format be.

[Jordan.]

Another member who knows what's best, welcome to the club Raph :clap1:

I don't understand how it's better, the housemates are the one's who put the big characters up for eviction in the first place. Not having the public vote isn't going to stop that.

[Jack_]

lol a format based on evicting people for speaking and being unfortunate enough to have a fanny, interspersed by messy and inconsistent nomination 'twists' is by no means superior

[Cal.]

BBUS format in the UK would be awful because the UK housemates don't think the way the BBUS/CAN housemates think. With a BBUS format in the UK amazing housemates like Deana, Ashleigh, etc would have been evicted due to being disliked by the house instead of for tactical reasons, and they wouldn't have been able to have been saved by the public and therefore have amazing moments like ABCD? Stories like that would have just ended with Deana being sent home whilst her enemy and the villain Conor stayed due to being popular with the house.

[Headie]

This can you just watch BBUS and leave the superior format be.

Agreed

[Jack_]

I don't understand how it's better, the housemates are the one's who put the big characters up for eviction in the first place. Not having the public vote isn't going to stop that.

Because evictions will then be based on merit, as opposed to because someone dared to speak in an episode or because they're unlucky enough to be a woman.

Evictions don't always go my way under the US format either, but if you are evicted it is generally speaking through your own doing because your social game wasn't strong enough and you underplayed. That is far fairer than whatever bull**** the British voting public come up with as a means to evict you, and I can stomach the losses of my favourites much more.

[Greg!]

lol a format based on evicting people for speaking and being unfortunate enough to have a fanny, interspersed by messy and inconsistent nomination 'twists' is by no means superior

The messy twists are nothing to do with the format though?? It's production that needs to change for the show to improve, there's no need to rip up an iconic TV show format that's been on TV for 17 years

[Amy Jade]

I can't see them doing that - they'll want the income from the phone votes but I can totally see Greg and Armands point that if people prefer that format it's the one used in most formats you can watch and leave those that enjoy the UK one to enjoy it etc

The announcement of the public vote has given us some iconic moments too like Deana and Becky beating Arron or Sezer getting the boot. Even this year Marco's reaction was hilarious!

[Jack_]

BBUS format in the UK would be awful because the UK housemates don't think the way the BBUS/CAN housemates think. With a BBUS format in the UK amazing housemates like Deana, Ashleigh, etc would have been evicted due to being disliked by the house instead of for tactical reasons, and they wouldn't have been able to have been saved by the public and therefore have amazing moments like ABCD? Stories like that would have just ended with Deana being sent home whilst her enemy and the villain Conor stayed due to being popular with the house.

There's an argument that playing personally is the best and most entertaining way to utilise the US format (which is what would definitely happen with a bunch of messy Brits) and part of me agrees so anyone worrying about a lack of entertainment wouldn't have anything to worry about, in fact I think it may actually enhance it in more ways than one. As a side note it's weird that the producers are always seeking to incite drama these days and love face to face noms and here's a format which literally encapsulates that and they ignore it

Also you are forgetting that in order to evict someone you have to win power under the US rules and dare I say people like Ashleigh and Deana would've definitely had multiple competition wins under their belt, so your pessimistic outlook of how things would go down isn't entirely true

[Jordan.]

Because evictions will then be based on merit, as opposed to because someone dared to speak in an episode or because they're unlucky enough to be a woman.

Evictions don't always go my way under the US format either, but if you are evicted it is generally speaking through your own doing because your social game wasn't strong enough and you underplayed. That is far fairer than whatever bull**** the British voting public come up with as a means to evict you, and I can stomach the losses of my favourites much more.

So by that logic, based on merit the likes of Sam and Alex deserve to be there more because they've played the game better unlike the likes of Andy and Jayne who would be out this week had BB not added some twists in :shrug:

[Jason.]

I hope this is the case, I don't really care I just hate the UK format. It's getting awful and I just want to see people win HOH, slit some throats(not actually do that but a BBUSA/CAN fan will know what I'm saying) and make smart moves etc.

If you hate the format, then don't watch BBUK and watch BBUS instead? :shrug:

[Jordan.]

If this series had been down to the housemates alone Natalie, Charlie, Chelsea, maybe Marco and Jayne and Andy would be out. How is that any better than the public vote?

[Amy Jade]

Good point, Jayne would have been out 2 or 3 weeks ago when she got 10 noms under the US rule :worry:

[MB.]

Personally I think all evictions should be decided via the medium of a Lip Sync for Your Life

[Jack_]

leave those that enjoy the UK one to enjoy it etc

If you hate the format, then don't watch BBUK and watch BBUS instead? :shrug:

ugh this is such a stupid argument and it needs to stop being recited

I like the premise of Big Brother itself and that is why I watch multiple versions. I prefer however the format that is used in the US and Canada and think it should be adopted here because it's superior and would enhance the show and freshen it up. Plus I want to watch Brits playing under that format because I'm pretty sure it would be hilariously messy, and I want to be given an opportunity to apply for it myself

Again, why if I and others like a format that's used on an international incarnation of a global TV show we enjoy, would we not want it used in our home nation's version? Why would we choose to have two versions when we could have three? :conf:

So by that logic, based on merit the likes of Sam and Alex deserve to be there more because they've played the game better unlike the likes of Andy and Jayne who would be out this week had BB not added some twists in :shrug:

It's pointless using the current series under the current BBUK format to speculate about things like that since our version isn't set up properly for people to play games (certainly not ones that require any skill, more counterproductive ones) and in fact they're actively discouraged by both internal house politics and the viewing public. There's no way of telling who would and wouldn't be entertaining under different circumstances, and also I judge people completely differently under UK rules (who contributes the most) compared to US ones (who I subjectively like as people/find entertaining) so such a question can't really be answered

If in an alternative universe these housemates were competing under US rules however and Alex and Sam were playing well enough that they weren't evicted while Andy and Jayne weren't, then yes, that would be based on merit as opposed to whatever BS the public voters had come up with and is far fairer. If they were still dull and outlasted bigger characters then yes I'd still be annoyed as I am now when I watch BBUS and BBCan, but I can stomach their evictions far better because I know for the most part it is their own doing rather than being guilty of something moronic like speaking in an episode or out of their hands like not having a penis

[Ross.]

what if I like both versions

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[MB.]

what if I like both versions

http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar60738_39.gif

Then watch Big Brother Canada http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar60738_39.gif

[Jack_]

If this series had been down to the housemates alone Natalie, Charlie, Chelsea, maybe Marco and Jayne and Andy would be out. How is that any better than the public vote?

You cannot guarantee that at all, because people are forgetting that to gain control over who's at risk of being evicted, you have to win power. There's absolutely no reason why people like Charlie, Marco and Andy certainly couldn't win a few HoH's or PoV's to secure their and their friends positions

So too is their no guarantee that all of the housemates would target these people for the same reasons they are now. Would Jayne be a threat to anyone under US rules? Not really

Good point, Jayne would have been out 2 or 3 weeks ago when she got 10 noms under the US rule :worry:

But under different rules you cannot guarantee the exact same house dynamics would exist. Sure, as I keep saying I expect most Brits would play personally and as viewers we'd be rewarded for it, but there would inevitably be some who altered the way they conducted themselves in the house to try and further themselves (including Jayne), and may be perceptible enough to know someone like her wouldn't be a competition threat in any way whatsoever and shouldn't be targeted

[MB.]

(I'd intended to post an image of Christine Kelsey instead there, but I'm sure a little bit of self-promotion won't hurt)

[Jack_]

what if I like both versions

http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar60738_39.gif

Then that's fine (personally idk why anyone would like the BBUK one but each to their own) and you can argue they should stay the same, but those who prefer one over the other are perfectly entitled to say that they think we should adopt their rules without being stupidly told to 'just watch BBUS'. I watch Big Brother cause I like Big Brother, and if I prefer another version's format of course I'm going to think it should be implemented over here so that I have three versions of it to watch as opposed to two

[Maru]

If this series had been down to the housemates alone Natalie, Charlie, Chelsea, maybe Marco and Jayne and Andy would be out. How is that any better than the public vote?

I don't like the way this is going. This thread sucks :fist:

[Oaker]

If you think the format sucks then stop watching :facepalm:.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'll repost this from another thread bc it's still relevant

The cultures of reality TV in North America and elsewhere are way too solidified for any radical changes to be made at this point. You can't undo a decade and a half of history just because of what other countries are doing. Everything in the US (and Canada) is a reaction to Richard Hatch winning Survivor, and everything in the UK is a reaction to Nasty Nick getting expelled at Craig winning. If BBUK let the HMs discuss nominations and actively play the game, not only would the general public not respond well to it but the HMs really wouldn't know what to do. Just rewatch the first week of BB13 and see how that went.

And even so, if you like the BBUS format just watch BBUS and BBCan. If you like the BBUK format, just watch BBUK and CBB and BBAU :shrug: I don't think one format is inherently better than the other, but I will say that I think the best seasons of BBUK are better than the best BBUS seasons.

I also think BBCan is growing a little stale and has lost the magic from the first two seasons, but that's for another discussion.

[Oaker]

Also everytime theres been an eviction without a public vote/housemates have been allowed to discuss nominations the viewers kick off and say they hate it.. how on earth do you think a series of that would work?

[Lostie!]

The fact is that there are two different versions with the US format already and converting the UK show to that format would leave those who aren't interested in that with nothing since BBAU doesn't run anymore.

Also it just wouldn't go down well with the general viewership whatsoever. Switching formats wouldn't rejuvenate the show as some think, it would be the final nail in the coffin.

[Jack_]

If you think the format sucks then stop watching :facepalm:.

I don't know how many more times I'm going to have to repeat it before people pay attention or start reading threads properly, but I watch Big Brother because I enjoy the premise of Big Brother itself. I happen to prefer one version's format over another, but that does not negate the former statement in any way shape or form, so no I'm not going to stop watching a show I've been viewing since I was 10. I do however think it could be improved, and am entitled to say why

I'll repost this from another thread bc it's still relevant

the bit about only watching certain versions is entirely irrelevant but as for the rest, yes it's true that it may not go down very well with viewers but at this point BBUK is on its last legs and no doubt with C5 at the helm on the brink of the axe. They try and ~change it up~ every year with a multitude of nonsense twists and themes that amount to nothing ('the game is changing' FFS I mean if there were a more suitable time to trial this it would've been this year) so what would be the harm in giving a consistent, new (in UK terms) format a trial run for one series? There is literally nothing to lose and everything to gain at this point

And while non public vote evictions haven't gone down well in the past, the latest series of Love Island which has become incredibly popular and outperformed BBUK on a number of occasions had very little public votes that directly determined who was eliminated, most of them were the result of internal recouplings and votes, so I don't think the public are entirely opposed to the idea...and you will never truly know unless you try!

[Jordan.]

The fact is that there are two different versions with the US format already and converting the UK show to that format would leave those who aren't interested in that with nothing since BBAU doesn't run anymore.

Also it just wouldn't go down well with the general viewership whatsoever. Switching formats wouldn't rejuvenate the show as some think, it would be the final nail in the coffin.

I agree. I think the involvement of the public is one of the last things keeping the show going.

[Jack_]

I agree. I think the involvement of the public is one of the last things keeping the show going.

There are plenty of ways to keep the public involved though and still implement the US format, you just create a hybrid. It's a compromise I'd be perfectly happy with and it would go some way to keeping revenue for Endemol and C5 which I'm sure they don't want to give up, and giving the viewers some influence

[Jordan.]

There are plenty of ways to keep the public involved though and still implement the US format, you just create a hybrid. It's a compromise I'd be perfectly happy with and it would go some way to keeping revenue for Endemol and C5 which I'm sure they don't want to give up, and giving the viewers some influence

It's just not realistic. The show has been this way for 16 years and taking away the publics ultimate power wont go down as well as you're assuming it will.

[Daniel.]

All a load of rubbish. BBUK is far better than BBUS/BBCAN despite enjoying BBCAN myself

[Jack_]

It's just not realistic. The show has been this way for 16 years and taking away the publics ultimate power wont go down as well as you're assuming it will.

I've never said it would go down amazingly because I'm not deluded, but as I said to Troy, BBUK is on its last legs, the brink of another axe knowing C5, and they're constantly coming up with these messy new twists and meaningless themes to try and change up the show when there's a consistent and new one right in front of them that they could trial - so what's to lose? There isn't anything at this point

And if Love Island can hold I think two public votes the entire series that had any kind of direct impact on who left and still be just as if not more successful than BBUK then I don't see why we can't try it

[Jack_]

All a load of rubbish. BBUK is far better than BBUS/BBCAN despite enjoying BBCAN myself

You can't really say it's better than BBUS if you've hardly watched it, but it definitely isn't better than BBCan

Both the US and the UK could learn a lot from Canada's world leading version

[Daniel.]

BBCAN is better now, but the format of BBUK is better anyway, they just ruin it

[Greg!]

the bit about only watching certain versions is entirely irrelevant but as for the rest, yes it's true that it may not go down very well with viewers but at this point BBUK is on its last legs and no doubt with C5 at the helm on the brink of the axe. They try and ~change it up~ every year with a multitude of nonsense twists and themes that amount to nothing ('the game is changing' FFS I mean if there were a more suitable time to trial this it would've been this year) so what would be the harm in giving a consistent, new (in UK terms) format a trial run for one series? There is literally nothing to lose and everything to gain at this point


Yep nothing to lose apart from the 1million viewers of BB, the 3million viewers of CBB and the existence of the show itself

[Jason.]

ugh this is such a stupid argument and it needs to stop being recited

I like the premise of Big Brother itself and that is why I watch multiple versions. I prefer however the format that is used in the US and Canada and think it should be adopted here because it's superior and would enhance the show and freshen it up. Plus I want to watch Brits playing under that format because I'm pretty sure it would be hilariously messy, and I want to be given an opportunity to apply for it myself

Again, why if I and others like a format that's used on an international incarnation of a global TV show we enjoy, would we not want it used in our home nation's version? Why would we choose to have two versions when we could have three? :conf:



It's pointless using the current series under the current BBUK format to speculate about things like that since our version isn't set up properly for people to play games (certainly not ones that require any skill, more counterproductive ones) and in fact they're actively discouraged by both internal house politics and the viewing public. There's no way of telling who would and wouldn't be entertaining under different circumstances, and also I judge people completely differently under UK rules (who contributes the most) compared to US ones (who I subjectively like as people/find entertaining) so such a question can't really be answered

If in an alternative universe these housemates were competing under US rules however and Alex and Sam were playing well enough that they weren't evicted while Andy and Jayne weren't, then yes, that would be based on merit as opposed to whatever BS the public voters had come up with and is far fairer. If they were still dull and outlasted bigger characters then yes I'd still be annoyed as I am now when I watch BBUS and BBCan, but I can stomach their evictions far better because I know for the most part it is their own doing rather than being guilty of something moronic like speaking in an episode or out of their hands like not having a penis

No what's stupid is you wasting your time on one format of a show which you don't favour and know won't change to suit your needs, yet you continue to stick with it and spend hours slating it on a forum (yes it's a BB forum etc etc). BBUK won't adopt the BBUS format. It's been under the same "inferior" format for 17 years now and it's not going to change when the British public are used to it by now - the same way BBUSA won't change its current format as it has been running under the same format for 16 years now.

You've got two shows for your favourite format. If you want gameplay and talk - watch BBUS and Can instead. It's not that hard. Why do you care so much about BBUK adopting a format which is already being used across two different international versions already?

You obviously favour one format more than the other and that's fine but you don't see other people who prefer the UK format forcing BBUSA/Can to go and adopt the BBUK format. It's boring when everything is the same format. That's the thing with Big Brother as a whole, each international version has its own format. If you don't like one particular way of how the show is done, then don't watch it and watch the one you do like. If you watch BBUK because you love the premise of Big Brother then stop moaning when you already have two shows which run under the same format you like.

This BBUK vs. BBUS topic got tired prior to BB17 launching and you're just going to go on expecting.

[Daniel.]

Too much tea for this chick.

[Jordan.]

I've never said it would go down amazingly because I'm not deluded, but as I said to Troy, BBUK is on its last legs, the brink of another axe knowing C5, and they're constantly coming up with these messy new twists and meaningless themes to try and change up the show when there's a consistent and new one right in front of them that they could trial - so what's to lose? There isn't anything at this point

And if Love Island can hold I think two public votes the entire series that had any kind of direct impact on who left and still be just as if not more successful than BBUK then I don't see why we can't try it

OK regardless of whether it'd go down well, I don't think it's even necessary. This series is proof BB can still produce a great show and I'd put that mostly down to the good casting. The voting isn't a problem if the cast on a whole is a strong, so maybe that should be the focus going forward instead of shutting the public even further out?

And I don't think the Love Island comparisons are fair considering that is a new show in it's 2nd year, obviously people are gonna be more interested in that than something that has been on a decade and half.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I still think BBUK at it's peak is better than anything BBUS/BBCan has ever produced, and i think the current state of BBCan really isn't much better than BBUS. BBCan1 was a gem and 2 was pretty good too, but the switch to Global hasn't done the show any favors.

[Jack_]

Yep nothing to lose apart from the 1million viewers of BB, the 3million viewers of CBB and the existence of the show itself

Who said their beloved CBB has to change? I couldn't give a crap what they do with that overrated and overexposed pile of ****e

The civilian series is on the brink of the axe anyway so if the last one trialed the US format and failed it makes no difference than if it goes on with another series of messy themes and ends anyway, except that I'd prefer it and you don't know what'll happen for sure whereas you do if they continue as they are

No what's stupid is you wasting your time on one format of a show which you don't favour and know won't change to suit your needs, yet you continue to stick with it and spend hours slating it on a forum (yes it's a BB forum etc etc). BBUK won't adopt the BBUS format. It's been under the same "inferior" format for 17 years now and it's not going to change when the British public are used to it by now - the same way BBUSA won't change its current format as it has been running under the same format for 16 years now.

You've got two shows for your favourite format. If you want gameplay and talk - watch BBUS and Can instead. It's not that hard. Why do you care so much about BBUK adopting a format which is already being used across two different international versions already?

You obviously favour one format more than the other and that's fine but you don't see other people who prefer the UK format forcing BBUSA/Can to go and adopt the BBUK format. It's boring when everything is the same format. That's the thing with Big Brother as a whole, each international version has its own format. If you don't like one particular way of how the show is done, then don't watch it and watch the one you do like. If you watch BBUK because you love the premise of Big Brother then stop moaning when you already have two shows which run under the same format you like.

This BBUK vs. BBUS topic got tired prior to BB17 launching and you're just going to go on expecting.

If you seriously expect me to give up watching a show I've been addicted to since I was ten years old when I won't even give up on a series of something once I'm a quarter of the way in, then you are mistaken. I don't give up on shows like other people do (and I find it really strange when people do but that's a different subject) and I'm certainly not about to with this one, I will watch it until its bitter end, like it or loathe it. That's how loyal I am to it

'Hours slating it' is a gross exaggeration but even so have you noticed how the only time I tend to end up in these kinds of discussion is when someone else makes yet another thread about it, or someone quotes or responds to one of my posts saying flippantly that we should adopt it? It's rare I incite one of these discussions because they've been done to death. I know full well it won't ever be adopted because the producers aren't that clever or innovative, but I'm still entitled to say that it should be. How about you tell the people who keep inciting these discussions to stop if you don't like them? The bottom line of it is that I know it won't be adopted but I'm still allowed to say that it should and if people don't like that they should either ignore it because they're fully aware of my stance by now, or respond and expect a reply. But of course it'll be me that's criticised cause that's the TiBB way

The answer to your second paragraph has been offered several times and is a really simple one for anyone to comprehend. I care because I prefer the format, why would I want to stick with just two versions using said format when I could have three - and one crucially that I could watch fellow Brits playing and apply for myself? It's such an illogical question

Actually there's been a few occasions over the last couple of seasons of BBCan where some people have said they should or wouldn't mind them adopting the BBUK format and I've obviously vehemently opposed such an argument, so that isn't entirely true.

This is a forum, a Big Brother one at that - and if I want to say that I think our version would be better off adopting another country's format, I'm more than entitled to do so. If you or others do not like the argument and don't want to see another discussion about it, don't respond because it's more often than not somebody else that sparks the debate. I post on here about various versions of Big Brother because I like Big Brother, I just happen to think one format is more superior than the other. That doesn't stop me still talking about the format we have now does it?

[Maru]

Speaking of switching formats, the US actually did try a BBUK-like version of Big Brother called Glass House (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Glass_House_(2012_TV_series)). It was decent enough but CBS (Big Brother) tried to sue ABC and unfortunately it never took off.

The cast did exactly what they do on BBUSA though, tried to scheme, game-play and form alliances. As for who won... Naturally, the male eye candy won the series. He almost lost due to a bunny boiler though.

Format

The Glass House featured 14 strangers living in a house made of glass, with cameras recording their every move. At selected days and times, viewers can watch a live feed into the house. There are weekly eliminations, in which the public decides which of the contestants are eliminated from the game. Aside from choosing who is eliminated, viewers also dictate what the contestants wear, where they sleep and what they eat.[4] While in the house, the contestants will split into two groups and compete in various physical and mental competitions.[5] The captains of the two teams are the two contestants who have received the fewest number of votes from the public. After losing a challenge, the captain of the losing team is sent to limbo, along with a second member of that team which is voted on by the house. While in limbo, the public will vote which of the two contestants deserves to go back into the house and which one should permanently be eliminated from the game. The contestant with the fewest votes is eliminated, while the other will return to the house.[6][7][8] The contestants are spoken to by a robotic female voice, which they referred to as the "Oracle" up until Day 3, when it was revealed the public would decide the voice's name. After the airing of the first live feed, online blogs and forums labeled the voice "FaRi", a portmanteau of the words faux and Siri, the personal assistant found on Apple's iPhone 4S.[4][9]

[Jack_]

OK regardless of whether it'd go down well, I don't think it's even necessary. This series is proof BB can still produce a great show and I'd put that mostly down to the good casting. The voting isn't a problem if the cast on a whole is a strong, so maybe that should be the focus going forward instead of shutting the public even further out?

And I don't think the Love Island comparisons are fair considering that is a new show in it's 2nd year, obviously people are gonna be more interested in that than something that has been on a decade and half.

I don't disagree with that (although a couple of the evictions this series did put a small dent in it that weren't necessary) but the thing is casts as good as these are extremely rare (especially on C5) and they're not going to strike gold in this manner every year which leaves us with the same problem we usually have - the voters destroying the series through the backwards format. If the casts were consistently this good and the public's eviction patterns weren't quite so moronic there's a chance we wouldn't actually be having this discussion right now, but unfortunately that isn't the case

And that is true but a common argument is that British people won't take to reality shows where there's no public votes or control, and I think Love Island is proof that that isn't entirely accurate

I still think BBUK at it's peak is better than anything BBUS/BBCan has ever produced, and i think the current state of BBCan really isn't much better than BBUS. BBCan1 was a gem and 2 was pretty good too, but the switch to Global hasn't done the show any favors.

BBCan is still far, far better than anything BBUK is producing though

[azi]

I hope not, we have enough of that format.

[armand.kay]

lol a format based on evicting people for speaking and being unfortunate enough to have a fanny, interspersed by messy and inconsistent nomination 'twists' is by no means superior

They hardly have any huge rows on BBUS anymore because people don't want to compromise there place in the house. There's certain people who are never pulled up on about their behaviour because of their position in the house. The last series to have any notable drama was BB15.

[armand.kay]

I still think BBUK at it's peak is better than anything BBUS/BBCan has ever produced, and i think the current state of BBCan really isn't much better than BBUS. BBCan1 was a gem and 2 was pretty good too, but the switch to Global hasn't done the show any favors.

This! BB5 and 6 uk are probably not only the best seasons of big brother in any country I would go as far as to say they're on of the best examples of reality TV. And if BB13 and this series are anything to go by then it's clear that c5 can pull it off if they get a decent cast.

[Denver]

If this ever did happen they would lose a fan in me

[JTM45]

No.......it isn't.

[Cherie]

No.......it isn't.


Also I think there will be a flash vote on Friday to vote someone back and possibly someone else will be evicted...maybe the person who took the cash?

[Jamie89]

That's literally like saying "I like coronation street more than eastenders so to improve eastenders they should axe the cast, move the show to Manchester and bring some northerners in because I personally find it more entertaining". Bbus and bbuk are two completely different TV shows

Tea?

[Amy Jade]

Jack there's no need for you to call peoples opinions stupid.

[dyfed]

While I was living in the states it was a known fact,USA bb is 100% fixed .

[StephenPullen]

Hopefully. Now we need a weekly HOH, POV and a full house voting system on eviction night.

[StephenPullen]

You can't really say it's better than BBUS if you've hardly watched it, but it definitely isn't better than BBCan

Both the US and the UK could learn a lot from Canada's world leading version

Everyone knows BBCAN is a filler show (something that people watch to pass the time before BBUS starts)...

[Jack_]

They hardly have any huge rows on BBUS anymore because people don't want to compromise there place in the house. There's certain people who are never pulled up on about their behaviour because of their position in the house. The last series to have any notable drama was BB15.

That's only because Grodner has created some convoluted twists in the last few seasons that restrict big moves being made and people not voting with the house. The pure format of BBUS can be a huge catalyst for drama, you only need to look at BB6, BB10, BB11 and BB15 in particular to see why. The producers are always looking for ways to get the housemates to turn on one another, target each other, do endless face to face noms, and yet here's a format which encompasses and encourages all of this and they ignore it!

Jack there's no need for you to call peoples opinions stupid.

Then don't keep reciting an argument that's completely illogical and has been rebutted on several occasions to receive no coherent response?

[hot2go]

i avoid any American reality shows so I have no comparison but I do think British viewers are very different to American ones....if American CBB housemates are anything to go by then I would most def say stay as it is right now.

[Jack_]

Everyone knows BBCAN is a filler show (something that people watch to pass the time before BBUS starts)...

Most of the international Big Brother community would disagree with you, and for good reason

[armand.kay]

That's only because Grodner has created some convoluted twists in the last few seasons that restrict big moves being made and people not voting with the house. The pure format of BBUS can be a huge catalyst for drama, you only need to look at BB6, BB10, BB11 and BB15 in particular to see why. The producers are always looking for ways to get the housemates to turn on one another, target each other, do endless face to face noms, and yet here's a format which encompasses and encourages all of this and they ignore it!

Yeah but production interference is exactly what's stopping anything interesting from happening. Like BB13 is an example of a season were BB just put a good cast in and left them to their own devices and it was packed with drama. The original BBUK format is perfectly fine and never needed to be messed around with in the first place yeah it might need a few twists now and then to keep housemates on their toes but so does any reality to format.

[Jack_]

Yeah but production interference is exactly what's stopping anything interesting from happening. Like BB13 is an example of a season were BB just put a good cast in and left them to their own devices and it was packed with drama. The original BBUK format is perfectly fine and never needed to be messed around with in the first place yeah it might need a few twists now and then to keep housemates on their toes but so does any reality to format.

Don't get me wrong I agree production interference is annoying, but from a producer's perspective I just don't get their logic - they come up with all these messy twists when there's a consistent format right there that would provide them with everything they're after?

Like I said to Jordan though casts like these are extremely rare and they're not gonna strike gold every time so BBUK's format is still a problem because the public insist on ruining every series

[armand.kay]

Don't get me wrong I agree production interference is annoying, but from a producer's perspective I just don't get their logic - they come up with all these messy twists when there's a consistent format right there that would provide them with everything they're after?

Like I said to Jordan though casts like these are extremely rare and they're not gonna strike gold every time so BBUK's format is still a problem because the public insist on ruining every series

Yeah but your not gonna strike gold with BBUS format either :shrug:

[Jack_]

Yeah but your not gonna strike gold with BBUS format either :shrug:

No but you are gonna adopt a format which evicts people based on merit as opposed to moronic things like speaking in an episode or immutable things like being a woman

[Amy Jade]

Then don't keep reciting an argument that's completely illogical and has been rebutted on several occasions to receive no coherent response?
How is it illogical to say leave it alone for people who enjoy the UK format and stick to the Canadian and US versions if you enjoy theirs?

I personally like the UK format, I like being able to vote so why change it.

[Headie]

If you enjoy BBUK - watch BBUK!

If you enjoy BBUS - watch BBUS!

Here's an idea - if you enjoy both, watch both! And if you only enjoy one, only watch one!

[armand.kay]

No but you are gonna adopt a format which evicts people based on merit as opposed to moronic things like speaking in an episode or immutable things like being a woman

If you're likeable you can make it very far no matter how controversial you look at Gina for example. And in BBUS sex, looks and how much you speak up also play a part. BB6 had Ashley evicted first because she was good looking and the girls didn't like the attention she gave to the guys, BB16 had someone like Victoria make it really far despite doing nothing all series and the last few seasons of BBUS have showen that merit doesn't get you far at all, no matter how good you play the game if you're not in with the "it" crew you're not staying for long.

[Jack_]

How is it illogical to say leave it alone for people who enjoy the UK format and stick to the Canadian and US versions if you enjoy theirs?

I personally like the UK format, I like being able to vote so why change it.

Because:

1) I enjoy Big Brother and the premise of Big Brother itself, but happen to prefer the format that one version uses over another, and so think we should adopt it too. Why would I want two versions of a format I enjoy when I could have three?

2) This is a forum, and I'm entitled to say that I think all of the above. I am of course talking about my own personal opinion, people do not have to agree but why would I settle for a format I think is inferior just cause a load of other people (several of whom have never given BBUS or BBCan a try) don't agree?

[Oaker]

Why do you want all of the BBUK fans to not have their preferred format to watch though?

That's just selfish.

[Jason.]

No but you are gonna adopt a format which evicts people based on merit as opposed to moronic things like speaking in an episode or immutable things like being a woman

Tbf your idea of "merit" is quite crap really, dare I say it.

I personally don't find people like Perez Hilton or Marc (two of which I'm sure you find brilliant and entertaining housemates) particularly that interesting or entertaining and I'm sure a lot of people would agree with me on that one. Yes, they got a lot of airtime and they're both the most talked about people of their series but so what? Quality > Quantity.

Your idea of merit seems to stem from how much airtime a particular person gets as opposed to their personality and likability also being thrown in the mix.

[Jack_]

If you enjoy BBUK - watch BBUK!

If you enjoy BBUS - watch BBUS!

Here's an idea - if you enjoy both, watch both! And if you only enjoy one, only watch one!

Here's an idea - if you enjoy Big Brother, watch Big Brother! And if you prefer one of the formats that an incarnation of Big Brother uses, feel free to say that you think it would be good if another one you watch adopted it!

If you're likeable you can make it very far no matter how controversial you look at Gina for example. And in BBUS sex, looks and how much you speak up also play a part. BB6 had Ashley evicted first because she was good looking and the girls didn't like the attention she gave to the guys, BB16 had someone like Victoria make it really far despite doing nothing all series and the last few seasons of BBUS have showen that merit doesn't get you far at all, no matter how good you play the game if you're not in with the "it" crew you're not staying for long.

Gina and indeed Dexter were complete anomalies and we got extremely lucky, that kind of thing doesn't happen every series - especially under vote to evict. The prerequisites for succeeding on BBUK are basically: have a penis, be attractive, befriend all of your housemates and be the 'nice guy' so you're never nominated, never utter a word all series and you're destined to make the final or win. It's counterproductive nonsense and requires no skill or merit whatsoever.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule on BBUS as you've outlined but for the most part if you are evicted it's through your own doing. You could using your examples say that Ashley's early eviction could be attributed to a poor social game with the women and that Victoria played on her 'goat' status (unlikely but there's still something to be said for making it that far regardless).

As for your last sentence, that is exactly what merit is. If you're not part of the 'in' crew that is your problem for not having a strong enough social game. If you make yourself a target, that's your fault. It's absolutely based on merit.

[Jack_]

Why do you want all of the BBUK fans to not have their preferred format to watch though?

That's just selfish.

Err...everyone's opinions on a forum are selfish. That's kind of what subjectivity is.

Why on earth would I say we should stick with BBUK's format when I believe it to be inferior - just because a bunch of people I've never met disagree? If I believe the show would be enchanced by adopting it, of course I'm going to say so

I really have no idea why people get so outraged over this. I and everyone else knows it will never actually change because BBUK's producers are nowhere near intelligent, daring or innovative enough to trial it, so why does anyone care if someone types some text on a screen saying it should?

Tbf your idea of "merit" is quite crap really, dare I say it.

I personally don't find people like Perez Hilton or Marc (two of which I'm sure you find brilliant and entertaining housemates) particularly that interesting or entertaining and I'm sure a lot of people would agree with me on that one. Yes, they got a lot of airtime and they're both the most talked about people of their series but so what? Quality > Quantity.

Your idea of merit seems to stem from how much airtime a particular person gets as opposed to their personality and likability also being thrown in the mix.

I really don't want to get into another discussion about this in a thread about adopting the BBUS format but I'll just say that talked about housemates are beneficial to the show. Shows like Big Brother thrive off of discussion, discussion leads to attention which in turn leads to a more successful series. It's not so much about airtime and more about contribution. Dare I say that if we followed yours and several other ideas of 'merit' ('likability' lol it's a TV show, I'm not looking for a new best friend) - as BBUK's voters often do - series after series would slowly but surely be destroyed, and they are. So I think the person whose crap idea of what 'merit' constitutes is yours.

As I keep saying, housemates on BBUK for the most part succeed through never speaking or being lucky enough to have a penis. It's counterproductive, requires no skill and the format (especially when it's VTE) only seeks to encourage it. On the other hand the BBUS format rewards success on merit - if you make it far it's through your own doing and your own good social and strategic game, if you are evicted it is largely your own fault and not something arbitrary or moronic like it is on BBUK.

[Jason.]

('likability' lol it's a TV show, I'm not looking for a new best friend) - as BBUK's voters often do - series after series would slowly but surely be destroyed, and they are. So I think the person whose crap idea of what 'merit' constitutes is yours.


I mean it's not just about likability when judging a housemate - most my favourites aren't really that likeable, but you can disregard everything else I said that's absolutely fine.

Lbr, your entertainment criteria is made up of who the loudest person is in the room = entertaining, best HM ever!, contributes the most etc. (and lol you can spring up your 500 word BS essay defending how you don't support people who shout/make the most noise etc, I don't really care). But in your earlier post, you mentioned one of the advantages of the BBUSA format being rewarding people based on merit as opposed to what the UK format does in which they reward people based on not even breathing a word - which you're against and so you clearly think the opposite - that being "the one who speaks the most/makes the most noise or w/e should win". It's just hilarious how you take it so personally when someone suggests so and deny it when the evidence is there in the majority of your favourites, but whatever. :joker:

('likability' lol it's a TV show, I'm not looking for a new best friend

So what?

I still don't really get this mentality that you seem to have in regards to "oh it's just a TV show idc how they are/behave inside the house because it's not real life and I don't know them in real life etc etc". But each to their own.

By that logic, we should just disregard the behaviour of some of the nastiest HM's we've ever had, just because what? We're not looking for a best friend when watching BB and they're not saying it to us in real life so it doesn't matter.

So I think the person whose crap idea of what 'merit' constitutes is yours.

No, no it doesn't.

But either way the BBUK format isn't going to adopt the US format anytime soon, so you can stay pressed about things not going your own way and rightly so too because honestly the way you want the show to work is frankly **** :sorry:

[armand.kay]

Here's an idea - if you enjoy Big Brother, watch Big Brother! And if you prefer one of the formats that an incarnation of Big Brother uses, feel free to say that you think it would be good if another one you watch adopted it!



Gina and indeed Dexter were complete anomalies and we got extremely lucky, that kind of thing doesn't happen every series - especially under vote to evict. The prerequisites for succeeding on BBUK are basically: have a penis, be attractive, befriend all of your housemates and be the 'nice guy' so you're never nominated, never utter a word all series and you're destined to make the final or win. It's counterproductive nonsense and requires no skill or merit whatsoever.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule on BBUS as you've outlined but for the most part if you are evicted it's through your own doing. You could using your examples say that Ashley's early eviction could be attributed to a poor social game with the women and that Victoria played on her 'goat' status (unlikely but there's still something to be said for making it that far regardless).

As for your last sentence, that is exactly what merit is. If you're not part of the 'in' crew that is your problem for not having a strong enough social game. If you make yourself a target, that's your fault. It's absolutely based on merit.
oh hi Cody.

[starry]

Both versions can be good, they just developed the UK one in the wrong way, making it purely juvenile and camp, with endless arguments. It needed to get more positive with vote to save and to have live feed, and get people who aren't z-listers or just too stupid.

When they did take an idea from the US one they did it badly, like using soppy music when someone is saying goodbye at evictions, something that would never be done in the US version.

The US version isn't perfect, the gameplay is more like sheep than people often, and the losers decide the winner. They kept a live stream but they black it out a lot and still charge people plenty too. The irony really is that live feed is much more important in the public vote version and yet that's where it was dropped.

[armand.kay]

Here's an idea - if you enjoy Big Brother, watch Big Brother! And if you prefer one of the formats that an incarnation of Big Brother uses, feel free to say that you think it would be good if another one you watch adopted it!



Gina and indeed Dexter were complete anomalies and we got extremely lucky, that kind of thing doesn't happen every series - especially under vote to evict. The prerequisites for succeeding on BBUK are basically: have a penis, be attractive, befriend all of your housemates and be the 'nice guy' so you're never nominated, never utter a word all series and you're destined to make the final or win. It's counterproductive nonsense and requires no skill or merit whatsoever.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule on BBUS as you've outlined but for the most part if you are evicted it's through your own doing. You could using your examples say that Ashley's early eviction could be attributed to a poor social game with the women and that Victoria played on her 'goat' status (unlikely but there's still something to be said for making it that far regardless).

As for your last sentence, that is exactly what merit is. If you're not part of the 'in' crew that is your problem for not having a strong enough social game. If you make yourself a target, that's your fault. It's absolutely based on merit.

There are many female housemates who've made it far in big brother while still being controversial Jade, Nadia, Makosi, Leah, Aisleiyen, Deana, Gina, Ashley and Jayne are just a few examples.
No matter which format if you're unthreatening and nice you're likely to get far.

[Jack_]

I mean it's not just about likability when judging a housemate - most my favourites aren't really that likeable, but you can disregard everything else I said that's absolutely fine.

Lbr, your entertainment criteria is made up of who the loudest person is in the room = entertaining, best HM ever!, contributes the most etc. (and lol you can spring up your 500 word BS essay defending how you don't support people who shout/make the most noise etc, I don't really care). But in your earlier post, you mentioned one of the advantages of the BBUSA format being rewarding people based on merit as opposed to what the UK format does in which they reward people based on not even breathing a word - which you're against and so you clearly think the opposite - that being "the one who speaks the most/makes the most noise or w/e should win". It's just hilarious how you take it so personally when someone suggests so and deny it when the evidence is there in the majority of your favourites, but whatever. :joker:



So what?

I still don't really get this mentality that you seem to have in regards to "oh it's just a TV show idc how they are/behave inside the house because it's not real life and I don't know them in real life etc etc". But each to their own.

By that logic, we should just disregard the behaviour of some of the nastiest HM's we've ever had, just because what? We're not looking for a best friend when watching BB and they're not saying it to us in real life so it doesn't matter.



No, no it doesn't.

But either way the BBUK format isn't going to adopt the US format anytime soon, so you can stay pressed about things not going your own way and rightly so too because honestly the way you want the show to work is frankly **** :sorry:

I disregarded nothing and responded to everything you said, noting that I didn't want this to turn into another debate about what constitutes a good housemate on BBUK in a thread that isn't about that, but alas that seems to be what you're pining for so

No it isn't, and you must be another person who doesn't read threads properly because I've rebutted this false argument on several occasions with evidence. On the contrary, you have none. Do pray tell, if I only support loud housemates, why have several of my favourites included housemates such as Glyn, Gerry, Jonty, Brian, Stephanie, Mikey, Luke, Noirin, Marcus, Lydia, Dexter, Steven, Joel and Adjoa - most of whom never shouted or did so sparingly? What is hilarious is that people continue to make this baseless accusation despite it being rebutted on several occasions with evidence that they then go onto ignore, presumably because they know they've been proven wrong. Also I have to laugh at you attempting to criticise me for writing 'essays' when you're guilty of just the same thing and some of the lengthiest posts in this thread have come from you. Newsflash: this is a forum where discussions take place, and I will write as much as I see fit. If you are incapable of reading comprehension and don't have a very good attention span, may I suggest that a forum isn't the best place for you - or perhaps one where it's one sentence posts and gifs will be better suited.

It has nothing to do with making noise or shouting per se, it is about objective contribution. The housemate who has contributed the most to the series, i.e been its star and created the most discussions should be crowned the winner - and those kind of housemates should stay around for the success of the series. It's a very simple argument to get your head around.

Of course we shouldn't, and it is inevitable that someone always has to take it to the extreme in these scenarios but no, of course there are obvious exceptions to the rule like Dennis, Conor (who wasn't even entertaining anyway), Daley (same), Helen in BB16, Jade in CBB5, etc etc. But for the most part yes it is all irrelevant. Big Brother isn't real life, it isn't a morality competition or a charity and quite frankly if that's what you watch the show for then you may be best placed looking elsewhere considering the types of people they cast. I don't watch this show looking for people to relate to or a new best friend for precisely that reason - have you seen the housemates? I wouldn't want to be associated with most of them, I watch this show for escapism. It is baffling to me that anyone watches Big ****ing Brother through that kind of lens, but each to their own.

I don't know how many times in this thread or in the past I've said I know full well BBUK isn't going to adopt the US format because the producers aren't that intelligent or daring enough, and how many more times I'm going to have to say it before you pay attention - but that is beside the point. I am entitled to argue that it should change because I believe it would improve the show, and as I said to you in the last 'essay' of yours I replied to you'll notice that it is rarely me who starts these repetitive threads or incites these endless debates. I tend to post a flippant remark about how yes we should adopt it and then someone else will reply asking why or telling me no and that is what starts it off. But of course in typical TiBB fashion that'll be ignored when it's convenient to criticise someone you disagree with!

Everyone knows where I stand by now. If you don't agree and don't want another debate about it, don't reply. If you do, I will respond.

As for me not knowing what's best for the show, that is quite hilarious coming from you. Believe me I do, but I wouldn't expect you to realise that :joker:

[reece(:]

It just won't happen because they need voters money.

[Jack_]

oh hi Cody.

Cody was an awful bore but he succeeded because his social game was strong, as was his strategic one (bar taking Derrick to the F2). I can stomach bores making it far and entertaining housemates being evicted early much more if it is their own fault, as opposed to because they're an attractive man that never spoke all series (as it probably would've been had Cody been in BBUK) and the viewers lap that up.

There are many female housemates who've made it far in big brother while still being controversial Jade, Nadia, Makosi, Leah, Aisleiyen, Deana, Gina, Ashley and Jayne are just a few examples.
No matter which format if you're unthreatening and nice you're likely to get far.

How many of those won though? If we're using the success of controversial characters and comparing like with like then BBUS has a much better ratio when it comes to winners, their calibre is far better than those who've won BBUK.

There are always exceptions to the rule, yes certain big characters have made it far in BBUK but the number of those who haven't if we were to list them would far outweigh those who did, and it's because of the backwards public vote or rather the moronic eviction patterns they produce.

[Jack_]

It just won't happen because they need voters money.

That's why I would be happy to settle for a compromise where the public still get a vote (although crucially not directly over who leaves) but they play by US rules

They'd still get revenue and the public would still be involved somewhat

[Jason.]

I disregarded nothing and responded to everything you said, noting that I didn't want this to turn into another debate about what constitutes a good housemate on BBUK in a thread that isn't about that, but alas that seems to be what you're pining for so

No it isn't, and you must be another person who doesn't read threads properly because I've rebutted this false argument on several occasions with evidence. On the contrary, you have none. Do pray tell, if I only support loud housemates, why have several of my favourites included housemates such as Glyn, Gerry, Jonty, Brian, Stephanie, Mikey, Luke, Noirin, Marcus, Lydia, Dexter, Steven, Joel and Adjoa - most of whom never shouted or did so sparingly? What is hilarious is that people continue to make this baseless accusation despite it being rebutted on several occasions with evidence that they then go onto ignore, presumably because they know they've been proven wrong. Also I have to laugh at you attempting to criticise me for writing 'essays' when you're guilty of just the same thing and some of the lengthiest posts in this thread have come from you. Newsflash: this is a forum where discussions take place, and I will write as much as I see fit. If you are incapable of reading comprehension and don't have a very good attention span, may I suggest that a forum isn't the best place for you - or perhaps one where it's one sentence posts and gifs will be better suited.

It has nothing to do with making noise or shouting per se, it is about objective contribution. The housemate who has contributed the most to the series, i.e been its star and created the most discussions should be crowned the winner - and those kind of housemates should stay around for the success of the series. It's a very simple argument to get your head around.

Of course we shouldn't, and it is inevitable that someone always has to take it to the extreme in these scenarios but no, of course there are obvious exceptions to the rule like Dennis, Conor (who wasn't even entertaining anyway), Daley (same), Helen in BB16, Jade in CBB5, etc etc. But for the most part yes it is all irrelevant. Big Brother isn't real life, it isn't a morality competition or a charity and quite frankly if that's what you watch the show for then you may be best placed looking elsewhere considering the types of people they cast. I don't watch this show looking for people to relate to or a new best friend for precisely that reason - have you seen the housemates? I wouldn't want to be associated with most of them, I watch this show for escapism. It is baffling to me that anyone watches Big ****ing Brother through that kind of lens, but each to their own.

I don't know how many times in this thread or in the past I've said I know full well BBUK isn't going to adopt the US format because the producers aren't that intelligent or daring enough, and how many more times I'm going to have to say it before you pay attention - but that is beside the point. I am entitled to argue that it should change because I believe it would improve the show, and as I said to you in the last 'essay' of yours I replied to you'll notice that it is rarely me who starts these repetitive threads or incites these endless debates. I tend to post a flippant remark about how yes we should adopt it and then someone else will reply asking why or telling me no and that is what starts it off. But of course in typical TiBB fashion that'll be ignored when it's convenient to criticise someone you disagree with!

Everyone knows where I stand by now. If you don't agree and don't want another debate about it, don't reply. If you do, I will respond.

As for me not knowing what's best for the show, that is quite hilarious coming from you. Believe me I do, but I wouldn't expect you to realise that :joker:

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[armand.kay]

Cody was an awful bore but he succeeded because his social game was strong, as was his strategic one (bar taking Derrick to the F2). I can stomach bores making it far and entertaining housemates being evicted early much more if it is their own fault, as opposed to because they're an attractive man that never spoke all series (as it probably would've been had Cody been in BBUK) and the viewers lap that up.



How many of those won though? If we're using the success of controversial characters and comparing like with like then BBUS has a much better ratio when it comes to winners, their calibre is far better than those who've won BBUK.

There are always exceptions to the rule, yes certain big characters have made it far in BBUK but the number of those who haven't if we were to list them would far outweigh those who did, and it's because of the backwards public vote or rather the moronic eviction patterns they produce.
Yeah but BBUK has had more female winners :shrug: and most of them were quite outspoken... Also Big brother uk winners may not all be arseholes like the majority of us winners but it doesn't make them any less deserving. The good thing about BBUK is that it's not all about game plan so people who entertain the public with their personalities still win. Like Brian for example he didn't get himself invoked in a whole lot of drama but he was still an entertaining housemate and in my opinion a deserving winner.

[Pete.]

Oop not this becoming a hit thread

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[Jack_]

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lmfao proving people wrong so much so they don't know how to muster up a response is one of my favourite things about being on this forum :hee:

Yeah but BBUK has had more female winners :shrug: and most of them were quite outspoken... Also Big brother uk winners may not all be arseholes like the majority of us winners but it doesn't make them any less deserving. The good thing about BBUK is that it's not all about game plan so people who entertain the public with their personalities still win. Like Brian for example he didn't get himself invoked in a whole lot of drama but he was still an entertaining housemate and in my opinion a deserving winner.

There's no point in lauding more female winners as an achievement if not all of said females winners were deserving in the first place! I disagree with 'entertain the public', perhaps the case for some winners but certainly others only won either because they were 'fit innit' or because they weren't someone else. Brian deserved to win yes but the amount of actual deserving winners on BBUK is very slim, I reckon maybe 5/6/7 off the top of my head. Say what you like about BBUS' winners but by virtue of the format itself pretty much all of them (bar one or two where you could argue rigging played a part) deserved to win

[iloveaisleyne]

Stop trying to make the US format happen. It's not going to happen

^ this

they're literally doing it to get rid of a few housemates at once, they're not planning on changing the entire format of the show IMO

[Macie Lightfoot]

I mean, if almost all the BBUS winners "deserved" their win by virtue of the format and getting the Jury to vote for them at the end of the game, then doesn't every BBUK winner "deserve" their win by virtue of the format and having the public vote for them to win at the end of the show?

On a completely unrelated note, how boring has Annihilation week been so far? What a snoozefest

[Jack_]

I mean, if almost all the BBUS winners "deserved" their win by virtue of the format and getting the Jury to vote for them at the end of the game, then doesn't every BBUK winner "deserve" their win by virtue of the format and having the public vote for them to win at the end of the show?

On a completely unrelated note, how boring has Annihilation week been so far? What a snoozefest

No, because the public are the entire problem! As I keep saying, to succeed on BBUK you basically need to: be fortunate enough to have a penis, have the added bonus of being attractive, befriend all of your housemates and be the 'nice guy' so you're never nominated, say and do nothing the entire summer so you float your way to the final - and then you're almost destined to win.

It's counterproductive nonsense that requires no skill and no merit whatsoever, and thus you can barely say that half of the winners 'deserved' it

Winning over a jury of your peers however - now that takes some doing, and is a far fairer method of determining a winner.

[zakman440]

Jack :clap1:

Don't really have much to add as he's pretty much covered it, but I will say that with the viewing figures being as low as they are and Love Island establishing itself as a clear competitor to Big Brother's ratings, it's got to be worth at least a trial.

As a side note, I honestly don't think that C5 is making that much money from the televote (well, during both the summer series at least). Like, they always leave it really late when opening the phone lines and they've literally dropped it for the entire week this week - if it were that important then surely they wouldn't do both of those things.

[Jason.]

lmfao proving people wrong so much so they don't know how to muster up a response is one of my favourite things about being on this forum :hee:




tbf I didn't even read your post. Been there seen that

[Jack_]

tbf I didn't even read your post. Been there seen that

So you're claiming you incited a discussion by responding to a post of mine and then just so happened not to bother reading my reply? Remind me again why you're on a forum?

Or rather what actually happened is that you read the response, realised you'd been proven wrong and there was no way you could continue to justify your baseless accusations and so resorted to a gif and pretending you hadn't read it. Bless :pat:

[Macie Lightfoot]

No, because the public are the entire problem! As I keep saying, to succeed on BBUK you basically need to: be fortunate enough to have a penis, have the added bonus of being attractive, befriend all of your housemates and be the 'nice guy' so you're never nominated, say and do nothing the entire summer so you float your way to the final - and then you're almost destined to win.

It's counterproductive nonsense that requires no skill and no merit whatsoever, and thus you can barely say that half of the winners 'deserved' it

Winning over a jury of your peers however - now that takes some doing, and is a far fairer method of determining a winner.

But people can and have made the same arguments about the wrong people winning BBUS because of bitter juries and whatnot. Danielle Reyes was robbed, Maggie and Ivette are both awful, Jordan did nothing, Dan Gheesling was screwed because the jury agreed to never vote for him, blah blah blah. Half of the winners are considered garbage because they didn't play The Best Game so it's not like the end result is automatically going to improve just because there's no public vote.

[Amy Jade]

Because:

1) I enjoy Big Brother and the premise of Big Brother itself, but happen to prefer the format that one version uses over another, and so think we should adopt it too. Why would I want two versions of a format I enjoy when I could have three?

2) This is a forum, and I'm entitled to say that I think all of the above. I am of course talking about my own personal opinion, people do not have to agree but why would I settle for a format I think is inferior just cause a load of other people (several of whom have never given BBUS or BBCan a try) don't agree?

I'm just as entitled to say what I think without you saying my view is stupid. Nobody was rude to you and tbh you're not selling it to anyone calling them stupid are you.

[Jack_]

But people can and have made the same arguments about the wrong people winning BBUS because of bitter juries and whatnot. Danielle Reyes was robbed, Maggie and Ivette are both awful, Jordan did nothing, Dan Gheesling was screwed because the jury agreed to never vote for him, blah blah blah. Half of the winners are considered garbage because they didn't play The Best Game so it's not like the end result is automatically going to improve just because there's no public vote.

For the most part I'm not one of them though! People hate Maggie (and Ivette, idk if you meant someone else) because they were tragic to watch and part of a hated alliance, same for Jordan because she was pretty boring. Lots of BBUS winners are hated because people didn't like to watch them or didn't like them as people, that doesn't take away the fact that all of them - perhaps you could argue with the exception of one or two - objectively deserved their win. They earned it through a good social and strategic game that takes skill.

None of that is applicable on BBUK though, it's one of the easiest gameshows on television - and if you possess certain immutable attributes it's a walk in the park.

Would my favourites last longer under the US format? Not necessarily, but that isn't my argument. My argument is that I can take losses of my favourites much more because it is largely through their own doing rather than for arbitrary or moronic reasons like they're a woman or they spoke in an episode. When a favourite of mine is evicted on BBUK I'm annoyed, when it happens on BBUS I'm disappointed. It's a massive difference.

[Jack_]

I'm just as entitled to say what I think without you saying my view is stupid. Nobody was rude to you and tbh you're not selling it to anyone calling them stupid are you.

Quite frankly I think five members telling me to 'just watch BBUS then' all because they aren't willing to accept somebody thinks the format should be altered is rude, why should I when I've been watching BBUK since I was ten years old?

I am perfectly entitled to say I think it would be better if we adopted the US format. Is the format ever going to change? No. So why people get so outraged at this is beyond me, just let me post my opinion (which everyone on here should know by now) and leave me in peace if you don't agree :shrug:

The 'just watch BBUS then' remark that's recited whenever one of these discussions arises is a stupid one because it makes no sense. No one is yet to tell me why if I prefer one format, would I be happy to settle for two versions of it when I could have three? It is totally illogical. I am not saying that preferring the BBUK format itself is stupid, people are entitled to those opinions too...but telling me to 'just watch BBUS' is idiotic, and I've explained why on several occasions.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Okay but objectively speaking every BBUK winner deserved their win too. The rules are that the HMs nominate every week, someone is evicted every week, and then at the end the public votes for someone to win. All the winners are never evicted by the public and then the public voted for them to win. It might not be the result you want, but there's nothing unfair about it. And all your criteria about having a penis and being boring and not doing much only applies to Sam?

I get that you're not happy about a lot of the winners and how certain evictions have gone but I don't think that calls for a whole overhaul of the show's format.

[Jason.]

So you're claiming you incited a discussion by responding to a post of mine and then just so happened not to bother reading my reply? Remind me again why you're on a forum?

Or rather what actually happened is that you read the response, realised you'd been proven wrong and there was no way you could continue to justify your baseless accusations and so resorted to a gif and pretending you hadn't read it. Bless :pat:

Every post I've read of yours in this thread is just a re-hash of some long-ass essay you wrote a month and a half ago when arguing over the same topic. Over it. Over you. It's boring. You're boring. A bit like the type of housemates you tend to support.

Oh and if you're going to use "bless" and the :pat: smiley to try and patronise me - don't do it in the same sentence you're supposedly claiming I've been proven wrong. I might as well have a debate with chuff ffs.

[Headie]

Okay but objectively speaking every BBUK winner deserved their win too. The rules are that the HMs nominate every week, someone is evicted every week, and then at the end the public votes for someone to win. All the winners are never evicted by the public and then the public voted for them to win. It might not be the result you want, but there's nothing unfair about it. And all your criteria about having a penis and being boring and not doing much only applies to Sam?

I get that you're not happy about a lot of the winners and how certain evictions have gone but I don't think that calls for a whole overhaul of the show's format.

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[Oaker]

it's just getting really boring seeing this same debate over and over again tbh

[Jack_]

Okay but objectively speaking every BBUK winner deserved their win too. The rules are that the HMs nominate every week, someone is evicted every week, and then at the end the public votes for someone to win. All the winners are never evicted by the public and then the public voted for them to win. It might not be the result you want, but there's nothing unfair about it. And all your criteria about having a penis and being boring and not doing much only applies to Sam?

I get that you're not happy about a lot of the winners and how certain evictions have gone but I don't think that calls for a whole overhaul of the show's format.

But my point is the requirements for crowning a BBUK winner are arbitrary and moronic and to succeed on the show you don't need to exercise any kind of skill whatsoever, there is no merit to it in the way that those who win or succeed on BBUS do.

The criteria can all be applied standalone or in conjunction with one another. So yes Sam would tick all of the boxes, but Anthony won because he's an attractive man, Brian, Pete and Luke won because they were 'nice guys', as did people like Sophie, Rachel and Chloe except some of those could also tick the 'did and said nothing all series' box too. There's no skill to it at all, it's easy.

Every post I've read of yours in this thread is just a re-hash of some long-ass essay you wrote a month and a half ago when arguing over the same topic. Over it. Over you. It's boring. You're boring. A bit like the type of housemates you tend to support.

Oh and if you're going to use "bless" and the :pat: smiley to try and patronise me - don't do it in the same sentence you're supposedly claiming I've been proven wrong. I might as well have a debate with chuff ffs.

If it's a rehash of the same things I've been saying over and over again in debates like these that have already taken place then doesn't that tell you something? That I've explained my argument on several occasions, people know where I stand, and yet people still try to incite this same discussion - and then I get the blame for it! TiBB logic eh :rolleyes:

Yet again you criticise me for writing 'essays' with no semblance of irony given your posting history, even in this thread :laugh2: as I said before, if you are incapable of reading comprehension above the age of ten then perhaps a forum isn't the best place for you!

Your last sentence makes no sense. You have been proven wrong, you failed to respond to any of my rebuttals of your baseless accusations because I provided you with evidence and you didn't know what to say, so instead pretended you didn't read the post (as I'm sure you'll do here too). If you patronise me I will patronise you back babe, that's the way it works. If anyone's 'over' anything it's me with your boring inconsistency, hypocrisy and refusal to accept facts. You tried and you failed I'm afraid.

it's just getting really boring seeing this same debate over and over again tbh

I agree, so maybe people should stop making threads like this or jumping on people and inciting the same debate when someone posts their opinion

[starry]

In comparing the different versions I think it should be admitted that neither have been pure and set up to be a regular procedure all the time. Both have used public vote elements and housemate vote elements at times, and both have used all kinds of twists and producer manipulation.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I don't think the path to victory is quite as easy as you make it out to be though? Luke A and Rachel both came close to being evicted and Rachel just barely won, Sophie had a bunch of her friends evicted early (and if you want to get into The Game, her win was deserved because she hustled the **** out of everyone and played a flawless social game after Kris was evicted), Chloe had to deal with all the end-game "ur mask is slippin hun xx" bull**** with the money (and, again, if you want to get into The Game, choosing to stay the **** away from Helen at all costs was really the best strategic move one could make), Rachel had to deal with a ton of BS from start to finish because she didn't have a personality disorder and wouldn't bitch about people 25/7... I could go on and on. I think generalizing the typical winner's journey to "sit back and do nothing" is really underselling what pretty much every winner had to go through.