Why is the bar set so high for Jason but not others?

[Maru]

I realize Lateysha and Ryan were really good friends with a chunk of the house, but why does it feel like the bar is set so high for Jason to be included in the group? I mean he's never said anything overly harsh to anyone and he has been open about his decisions in the house.

I don't think Jason's reasons for evicting Lateysha were particularly "amicable" (i.e. not socially acceptable), but I feel like their reasoning for slandering his character so viciously aren't exactly that good either.

Like tonight people voted against HM's they've been "friends" with a majority of the series and they likely won't receive the same amount of slander/vitriol.

Granted, Jason was the only vote in his case that decided Lateysha's eviction (and I majorly disagree with the decision myself) but it was fair play and each of them all had the same amount of chance to hit the button and claim the prize/evict. I would argue instead it was a **** strategic move rather than having the most malicious intent.

We found out from Emma too today that the money would've been gone from the prize fund anyway which makes Jason's reasoning even more sound imo. There's a good chance he would've been gone if someone else had hit the button and Lateysha was certainly a threat to others in the house.

Personally, I'd like to have more time for Jason get on with HM's in the house now that Charlie is gone but for now it just feels like a little faux drama going. Similar to drama that Charlie would kick up from the smallest comments made by him... the housemates don't feel comfortable with him and have an awful feeling from his character, but that's not a reason to exclude him. Some people are given a lot more room (*cough* Hughie */cough*) to be assholes but for Jason all it takes is one comment... I just don't see him deserving a crucifixion is all.

I think Jayne felt very similar to Jason the first weeks in the house.

[Vanessa]

It's ridiculous. They're suspicious of him because he's too nice? Hasn't occurred to them he just could be a nice guy. And nothing wrong with playing a game. Big Brother is a game show.

[letmein]

Jason just proved that he's phony as ****.

[camertone]

It's ridiculous. They're suspicious of him because he's too nice? Hasn't occurred to them he just could be a nice guy. And nothing wrong with playing a game. Big Brother is a game show.

amen to that..

[Josy]

He's single handedly ruining the clique and people don't like it :hehe:

[Ammi]

....hmmmm, I don't know Maru..(good OP post btw..)...but I'm not sure with this how much I agree with you that Jason is 'excluded', rather than him having to a large part excluded himself...even when Charlie was there he made comments about observing her taking part/being such a part and her fun/social interactions with others as he seemed to show a preference to 'looking on'...I totally get that there was awkwardness maybe with her presence in the house but that's not the case anymore and yet he still seems to separate himself along with Andy and they both set themselves aside from 'the group'...and have seemed quite disapproving of 'the groups' sense of fun etc and their humour...so aren't 'the group' just sensing that disapproval or rather, completely aware of it so will naturally criticise him more readily....


..interesting though, I need to go away and over-think this all day now...you and your threads and observations, Maru..:laugh:...

[kirklancaster]

I realize Lateysha and Ryan were really good friends with a chunk of the house, but why does it feel like the bar is set so high for Jason to be included in the group? I mean he's never said anything overly harsh to anyone and he has been open about his decisions in the house.

I don't think Jason's reasons for evicting Lateysha were particularly "amicable" (i.e. not socially acceptable), but I feel like their reasoning for slandering his character so viciously aren't exactly that good either.

Like tonight people voted against HM's they've been "friends" with a majority of the series and they likely won't receive the same amount of slander/vitriol.

Granted, Jason was the only vote in his case that decided Lateysha's eviction (and I majorly disagree with the decision myself) but it was fair play and each of them all had the same amount of chance to hit the button and claim the prize/evict. I would argue instead it was a **** strategic move rather than having the most malicious intent.

We found out from Emma too today that the money would've been gone from the prize fund anyway which makes Jason's reasoning even more sound imo. There's a good chance he would've been gone if someone else had hit the button and Lateysha was certainly a threat to others in the house.

Personally, I'd like to have more time for Jason get on with HM's in the house now that Charlie is gone but for now it just feels like a little faux drama going. Similar to drama that Charlie would kick up from the smallest comments made by him... the housemates don't feel comfortable with him and have an awful feeling from his character, but that's not a reason to exclude him. Some people are given a lot more room (*cough* Hughie */cough*) to be assholes but for Jason all it takes is one comment... I just don't see him deserving a crucifixion is all.

I think Jayne felt very similar to Jason the first weeks in the house.

Another great post from you Maru. :clap1::clap1::clap1:

[kirklancaster]

Jason just proved that he's phony as ****.

:laugh: You are supposed to watch TV WITHOUT the blindfold on and without ear plugs. :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

He's single handedly ruining the clique and people don't like it :hehe:

Absolutely spot on.

[y.winter]

Yes. Apparently Lateysha qualifies as a deserving single mother, whereas Jason doesn't as a single father. They're allowed to annihilate him, but Tish is holy and untouchable.
They would have slammed him for any housemate he annihilates from Tish's posse.

[Cherie]

I realize Lateysha and Ryan were really good friends with a chunk of the house, but why does it feel like the bar is set so high for Jason to be included in the group? I mean he's never said anything overly harsh to anyone and he has been open about his decisions in the house.

I don't think Jason's reasons for evicting Lateysha were particularly "amicable" (i.e. not socially acceptable), but I feel like their reasoning for slandering his character so viciously aren't exactly that good either.

Like tonight people voted against HM's they've been "friends" with a majority of the series and they likely won't receive the same amount of slander/vitriol.

Granted, Jason was the only vote in his case that decided Lateysha's eviction (and I majorly disagree with the decision myself) but it was fair play and each of them all had the same amount of chance to hit the button and claim the prize/evict. I would argue instead it was a **** strategic move rather than having the most malicious intent.

We found out from Emma too today that the money would've been gone from the prize fund anyway which makes Jason's reasoning even more sound imo. There's a good chance he would've been gone if someone else had hit the button and Lateysha was certainly a threat to others in the house.

Personally, I'd like to have more time for Jason get on with HM's in the house now that Charlie is gone but for now it just feels like a little faux drama going. Similar to drama that Charlie would kick up from the smallest comments made by him... the housemates don't feel comfortable with him and have an awful feeling from his character, but that's not a reason to exclude him. Some people are given a lot more room (*cough* Hughie */cough*) to be assholes but for Jason all it takes is one comment... I just don't see him deserving a crucifixion is all.

I think Jayne felt very similar to Jason the first weeks in the house.


Jayne is accepted so it's not an older housemate thing, maybe it's due to him saying he never watched BB, that BB was Charlie's thing, so maybe they wonder why he has gone on it as by all accounts he doesn't need the money, maybe they feel it's unfair Charlie is out when she wanted the experience and he is not a fan, maybe they feel they underestimated him, and when he showed his hand by evicting Lateyesha they felt double bluffed especially those close to him like Jackson as nobody saw it coming, so they naturally feel suspicious especially as he was rather blunt about eliminating the competition and she was popular in the house

[jaxie]

Yes. Apparently Lateysha qualifies as a deserving single mother, whereas Jason doesn't as a single father. They're allowed to annihilate him, but Tish is holy and untouchable.
They would have slammed him for any housemate he annihilates from Tish's posse.

Exactly. Fierce double standards.

It's quite baffling to hear someone being criticised for cooking and cleaning up. Normally he'd be called the dad of the house. But this lot seem to think it's suspicious behaviour.

[Vanessa]

Exactly. Fierce double standards.

It's quite baffling to hear someone being criticised for cooking and cleaning up. Normally he'd be called the dad of the house. But this lot seem to think it's suspicious behaviour.

Hasn't it occurred to them that maybe he likes the cooking? Some men do. My dad used to love it. :shrug:

[jaxie]

Hasn't it occurred to them that maybe he likes the cooking? Some men do. My dad used to love it. :shrug:

My hubs likes to cook. He's planning dinner tonight because it's my birthday!

[Vanessa]

My hubs likes to cook. He's planning dinner tonight because it's my birthday!

Aw how lovely. Happy birthday :hee:

[Cherie]

My hubs likes to cook. He's planning dinner tonight because it's my birthday!

Happy Birthday Jaxie

[jennyjuniper]

This is just Jackson being slimy again, asking why Jason does the cooking/cleaning, gets up early etc., Probably because he's used to doing these things for himself at home and as a businessman will have to get up early. Unlike Jackson, whose mummy probably lets him sleep in his pit all day and does everything for him.

[jaxie]

Happy Birthday Jaxie

Thank you Cherie and also Vanessa!

[Lister of Smeg]

Yes. Apparently Lateysha qualifies as a deserving single mother, whereas Jason doesn't as a single father. They're allowed to annihilate him, but Tish is holy and untouchable.
They would have slammed him for any housemate he annihilates from Tish's posse.

Tisha is the model of what society tells people they should be these days poorly educated arrogant loud slutty and entitled to anything and everything. Where as some one like Jason who is calm responsible humble fair and private about his issues is someone who gets called a bad person welcome to the 21st century where it's never you're fault it's always someone else's.

[Lister of Smeg]

Thank you Cherie and also Vanessa!

Happy Birthday :kiss:

[kirklancaster]

Tisha is the model of what society tells people they should be these days poorly educated arrogant loud slutty and entitled to anything and everything. Where as some one like Jason who is calm responsible humble fair and private about his issues is someone who gets called a bad person welcome to the 21st century where it's never you're fault it's always someone else's.

Great points Lister. :clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Kazanne]

I realize Lateysha and Ryan were really good friends with a chunk of the house, but why does it feel like the bar is set so high for Jason to be included in the group? I mean he's never said anything overly harsh to anyone and he has been open about his decisions in the house.

I don't think Jason's reasons for evicting Lateysha were particularly "amicable" (i.e. not socially acceptable), but I feel like their reasoning for slandering his character so viciously aren't exactly that good either.

Like tonight people voted against HM's they've been "friends" with a majority of the series and they likely won't receive the same amount of slander/vitriol.

Granted, Jason was the only vote in his case that decided Lateysha's eviction (and I majorly disagree with the decision myself) but it was fair play and each of them all had the same amount of chance to hit the button and claim the prize/evict. I would argue instead it was a **** strategic move rather than having the most malicious intent.

We found out from Emma too today that the money would've been gone from the prize fund anyway which makes Jason's reasoning even more sound imo. There's a good chance he would've been gone if someone else had hit the button and Lateysha was certainly a threat to others in the house.

Personally, I'd like to have more time for Jason get on with HM's in the house now that Charlie is gone but for now it just feels like a little faux drama going. Similar to drama that Charlie would kick up from the smallest comments made by him... the housemates don't feel comfortable with him and have an awful feeling from his character, but that's not a reason to exclude him. Some people are given a lot more room (*cough* Hughie */cough*) to be assholes but for Jason all it takes is one comment... I just don't see him deserving a crucifixion is all.

I think Jayne felt very similar to Jason the first weeks in the house.

Absolutely 100% spot on great post Maru,also nice to see someone who is not a Jason fan be so fair and unbiased,it's a rare occurrence on here.

[kirklancaster]

This is just Jackson being slimy again, asking why Jason does the cooking/cleaning, gets up early etc., Probably because he's used to doing these things for himself at home and as a businessman will have to get up early. Unlike Jackson, whose mummy probably lets him sleep in his pit all day and does everything for him.

So true Jenny.

As you say, Jason lives alone, so unless he exists on takeaways or has a chef and maid, he WILL cook and WILL clean, and I suspect, rather enjoy both, because both are therapeutic and very satisfying - I know, because I do both in our household.

I hail from a large family and was raised in an era when cooking, cleaning, washing and ironing were not the exclusive preserves of women.

My wife works and I am semi-retired, so I do most of the cooking and cleaning in our household. But then again, I ALWAYS have done, and I enjoy it, and dare say, that I am BETTER at both than my wife anyway (not that she can't cook and does not clean :hee:)

My point is; If I went into the 'BB House' and, being a man who is a good cook and efficient cleaner, and who ENJOYS doing both, would I be hailed as a 'Game Player' by moronic wastes of oxygen such as Ryan the Rat Boy?

The difference between myself and the lovely Jason is; I would not give a toss WHAT insignificant airhead fakes like loser Ryan thought, and I would tell him so in NO uncertain fashion.

But then, poor maligned Jason is too much of a gentleman to do that.

[Razor]

I saw nothing wrong with evicting Lateysha, it's a game and Jason had every right to evict her.

[Babayaro.]

He's single handedly ruining the clique and people don't like it :hehe:

This. I've never seen a housemate flip the show on its arse as much as he has (is that even a saying idk?) Fair play to the guy :clap1:

[Kazanne]

So true Jenny.

As you say, Jason lives alone, so unless he exists on takeaways or has a chef and maid, he WILL cook and WILL clean, and I suspect, rather enjoy both, because both are therapeutic and very satisfying - I know, because I do both in our household.

I hail from a large family and was raised in an era when cooking, cleaning, washing and ironing were not the exclusive preserves of women.

My wife works and I am semi-retired, so I do most of the cooking and cleaning in our household. But then again, I ALWAYS have done, and I enjoy it, and dare say, that I am BETTER at both than my wife anyway (not that she can't cook and does not clean :hee:)

My point is; If I went into the 'BB House' and, being a man who is a good cook and efficient cleaner, and who ENJOYS doing both, would I be hailed as a 'Game Player' by moronic wastes of oxygen such as Ryan the Rat Boy?

The difference between myself and the lovely Jason is; I would not give a toss WHAT insignificant airhead fakes like loser Ryan thought, and I would tell him so in NO uncertain fashion.

But then, poor maligned Jason is too much of a gentleman to do that.

Plus Kirk it would keep him busy in a house where there is not much to do,he doesn't smoke or prance about,you can bet when he has cooked something they all sit down and effing eat it,bloody morons.

[Ellen]

Plus Kirk it would keep him busy in a house where there is not much to do,he doesn't smoke or prance about,you can bet when he has cooked something they all sit down and effing eat it,bloody morons.

Yes he has said this to other HM's, and he likes to be doing things.

[Kazanne]

Yes he has said this to other HM's, and he likes to be doing things.

He doesn't look like a lazy man,I would think most of the inane chat of some of the others would be mind numbing,I think I'de rather clean the toilets than listen to some of them

[Ellen]

He doesn't look like a lazy man,I would think most of the inane chat of some of the others would be mind numbing,I think I'de rather clean the toilets than listen to some of them

:joker::joker: God yes, they would bore you to tears. :bored::bawling:

[Robertocarlo]

It's ridiculous. They're suspicious of him because he's too nice? Hasn't occurred to them he just could be a nice guy. And nothing wrong with playing a game. Big Brother is a game show.

Totally agree. Am I seeing a different man?

[Jordan.]

He's single handedly ruining the clique and people don't like it :hehe:

Pretty sure people only liked Lateysha from that group anyway

[Kazanne]

The Queen bee is dead and now her drones are falling like flies :joker::joker:

[-Sue-]

It's ridiculous. They're suspicious of him because he's too nice? Hasn't occurred to them he just could be a nice guy. And nothing wrong with playing a game. Big Brother is a game show.

Exactly how I see it :) ty for the great post :)

[-Sue-]

I realize Lateysha and Ryan were really good friends with a chunk of the house, but why does it feel like the bar is set so high for Jason to be included in the group? I mean he's never said anything overly harsh to anyone and he has been open about his decisions in the house.

I don't think Jason's reasons for evicting Lateysha were particularly "amicable" (i.e. not socially acceptable), but I feel like their reasoning for slandering his character so viciously aren't exactly that good either.

Like tonight people voted against HM's they've been "friends" with a majority of the series and they likely won't receive the same amount of slander/vitriol.

Granted, Jason was the only vote in his case that decided Lateysha's eviction (and I majorly disagree with the decision myself) but it was fair play and each of them all had the same amount of chance to hit the button and claim the prize/evict. I would argue instead it was a **** strategic move rather than having the most malicious intent.

We found out from Emma too today that the money would've been gone from the prize fund anyway which makes Jason's reasoning even more sound imo. There's a good chance he would've been gone if someone else had hit the button and Lateysha was certainly a threat to others in the house.

Personally, I'd like to have more time for Jason get on with HM's in the house now that Charlie is gone but for now it just feels like a little faux drama going. Similar to drama that Charlie would kick up from the smallest comments made by him... the housemates don't feel comfortable with him and have an awful feeling from his character, but that's not a reason to exclude him. Some people are given a lot more room (*cough* Hughie */cough*) to be assholes but for Jason all it takes is one comment... I just don't see him deserving a crucifixion is all.

I think Jayne felt very similar to Jason the first weeks in the house.

Superb post ty so much :):clap1: I agree completely

[-Sue-]

The Queen bee is dead and now her drones are falling like flies :joker::joker:

LOL gotta love that start of the week I was thinking 'oh god they are going to pick Andy Jason etc off like flies and we will be left with a BB version of playschool... what a superb week it has been though a real eyeopener and made me smile like a madwoman (if I go outside with this smile people will think I have been upto no good) :D

[rusticgal]

Morons like Jackson and Ryan who claim Jason cooking all the time is just to gain favour..... Why don't they offer to cook?
Quite happy to eat his cooking....then slate him behind his back...COWARDS.

[-Sue-]

Morons like Jackson and Ryan who claim Jason cooking all the time is just to gain favour..... Why don't they offer to cook?
Quite happy to eat his cooking....then slate him behind his back...COWARDS.

exactly BB paranoia is rife and instead of thinking 'wait a minute is he just a nice guy' their minds went all paranoid... and suspect him of gameplaying when he is simply a nice guy :D

[TT350]

He's everything they're not and they don't like it. Simples.

[Maru]

Jayne is accepted so it's not an older housemate thing, maybe it's due to him saying he never watched BB, that BB was Charlie's thing, so maybe they wonder why he has gone on it as by all accounts he doesn't need the money, maybe they feel it's unfair Charlie is out when she wanted the experience and he is not a fan, maybe they feel they underestimated him, and when he showed his hand by evicting Lateyesha they felt double bluffed especially those close to him like Jackson as nobody saw it coming, so they naturally feel suspicious especially as he was rather blunt about eliminating the competition and she was popular in the house

You make a lot of good points. Jayne did eventually get on with others better in the house though because I remember recently they also questioned if she should be one of the next ones to go because she kept complaining about wanting to go... then she later changed her mind again and said she wanted to win.

[Maru]

This is just Jackson being slimy again, asking why Jason does the cooking/cleaning, gets up early etc., Probably because he's used to doing these things for himself at home and as a businessman will have to get up early. Unlike Jackson, whose mummy probably lets him sleep in his pit all day and does everything for him.

I have to call BS on his cleaning though. Have you seen that bedroom carpet? ... No :nono:

[Kazanne]

LOL gotta love that start of the week I was thinking 'oh god they are going to pick Andy Jason etc off like flies and we will be left with a BB version of playschool... what a superb week it has been though a real eyeopener and made me smile like a madwoman (if I go outside with this smile people will think I have been upto no good) :D

:joker::joker:It's been a great week and even if this Jasons last one,he has lasted far longer than people said he would,and hes a fair bit richer,it makes me smile aswell.

[tanussa]

Jason just proved that he's phony as ****.

how do you work that one out

[Vanessa]

I like a guy who can cook :flutter:

[tanussa]

Superb post ty so much :):clap1: I agree completely

I second that

[Maru]

Absolutely 100% spot on great post Maru,also nice to see someone who is not a Jason fan be so fair and unbiased,it's a rare occurrence on here.

To be fair, I was a Jason fan until his evicting of Lateysha :laugh: It's not a decision I agree with and and he also evicted one of my other favorites in the house. I wanted to see her make it until the final... I'm not a big fan of playing rough and I had higher hopes for him for him maybe doing a Jayne and seeing role reversal in the house. Instead now his potential for me is lost and we are stuck with ****ty cut scenes of him chatting with the evil villain Andy :nono::laugh:

I usually like the quiet underdogs and the HM's who bring a lot to the atmosphere of the house. I also like a good trainwreck every once in a while. In general though, I just pick whoever I feel a vibe with.

Lateysha isn't "quiet" persay, but I liked that near the beginning she could sometimes be a bit passive herself and show self-doubt in the DR. It was clear at various points that though she flourished in her role in the house, she was not necessarily 100% keen on what game she was actually playing. (i.e. she's pretty dense at times to her effect in the house) I think she got a major confidence boost and an image facelift with the public and that's worth more than a cash prize in my opinion imo.

Jason's decision didn't exactly "contribute" to the atmosphere the way some think, but the house is 1000% more livelier (this forum too) now that it's been done. Every TV show needs it's villains and with Jason being target numero uno it's keeping Andy in (boooooo :fist:), so it will keep the show interesting until the finale.

I honestly expected mostly just more run of the mill evictions, stupid cash bombs and predictable eliminations until the finale week... thoroughly surprised.

[hijaxers]

My hubs likes to cook. He's planning dinner tonight because it's my birthday!

Wow is it ! Wishing you the happiest of Birthdays and a mega enjoyable meal this evening.

[Maru]

So true Jenny.

As you say, Jason lives alone, so unless he exists on takeaways or has a chef and maid, he WILL cook and WILL clean, and I suspect, rather enjoy both, because both are therapeutic and very satisfying - I know, because I do both in our household.

I hail from a large family and was raised in an era when cooking, cleaning, washing and ironing were not the exclusive preserves of women.

My wife works and I am semi-retired, so I do most of the cooking and cleaning in our household. But then again, I ALWAYS have done, and I enjoy it, and dare say, that I am BETTER at both than my wife anyway (not that she can't cook and does not clean :hee:)

My point is; If I went into the 'BB House' and, being a man who is a good cook and efficient cleaner, and who ENJOYS doing both, would I be hailed as a 'Game Player' by moronic wastes of oxygen such as Ryan the Rat Boy?

The difference between myself and the lovely Jason is; I would not give a toss WHAT insignificant airhead fakes like loser Ryan thought, and I would tell him so in NO uncertain fashion.

But then, poor maligned Jason is too much of a gentleman to do that.

It's so funny how that type of mentality is treated between genders. For me it's a matter of self-pride. I come from a southern US family with strong personalities (especially the 'matriarch' side) . My grandmother had 7 siblings and 4 are female so historically large families. We are mostly nurturing types and very much enjoy the cooking, cleaning and preparation aspect of making a social and inviting home. It's also to some extent an extension of southern hospitality. I'm a bit an obsessive organizer as well and need an organized space. I'm going nuts right now that I moved into my house over a year and still yet don't have places to store all my misc things... I notice it every time I enter my office

God forbid I ever were in that house, I'd clean with a vengeance because it's a matter of stubborn pride as well as creating comfort and wellness for wellness. I guess I'm a little like Emma's heightened sensitivity level to negative conversations. Of course, all things in balancet I can stand some "filth" and clutter, but there needs to be a purge of things regularly so that at least the mess is contained to places that would naturally be cluttered or "messy" at times.

When you're stuck in an environment with 15-19 other people I imagine that urge to purge will be further exacerbated if you're a neat freak. Though really, how hard is it to at least clean the bedroom? At least vacuum? :shrug: Even worse, millions of people watching the program and seeing you lying on bed next to used underwear and beverages... eww no

I guess Jason from his tough man exterior and his 'cool as a cucumber' persona they play it as if it is actually quite beneath him to clean since rich people apparently don't clean. So they can mull over the question of whether he's there just "play the game".

Really... it's just that Jackson can be quite the diva in his own way and he expects that the "nice straight man" spotlight constantly be on him. Without Georgina or other people to faux "submit" to, we're seeing more of his actual character. For example, he doesn't really bitch per say about the Ryan and Hughies of the house because on some level he thinks he's actually a better person than them. You hear him talking about himself a lot of times, about his "son" and how he is "the nicest guy you've ever met"... it's actually rude because if you listen to him, it sounds like he's saying "well I'm actually better than you, so of course you would think that, you don't see how awesome that makes me"...

I read somewhere he may have/had an addiction. We have an addict in our family who is very similar to Jackson... he is socially immature and child-like response to things going on around him... he will give away tons of work, praise and contribution "for free", but will never let you forget it and then sometimes expects "payment" in the form of peer recognition and has no problem accepting "handouts" or large sums of money as well... it's quite infuriating when a grown man does it. Jackson seems to be shades of this person, or at least like a lower-level version of the that "living on the edge of materially impoverished, but the soul is forever rich for it" persona... it's all great on paper until you realize that for everything that person does, there's usually a price, whether you like it or not... you're bound to them and to some degree, responsible for their emotionally well-being and can never question their image... in their logic

Jason doesn't do things to expect emotional or physical payment and because this is the way Jackson's world works he is suspicious. Tells you more about Jackson really than Jason...

[CandyCat]

I hope people get behind Jason. He was a total gentleman with the situation with Charlie, never says anything nasty about anyone and doesn't deserve the way he's treated. His reason to evict Ryan re the way he talked about Alex having sex with Evelyn only shows further how decent the guy is. I really like him and Andy. Hate it when housemates all get together against a couple of members. Go Jase. Go Andy!

[jaxie]

Wow is it ! Wishing you the happiest of Birthdays and a mega enjoyable meal this evening.

:hug: it was delicious!

[kirklancaster]

[QUOTE=Maru;8824675]"It's so funny how that type of mentality is treated between genders. For me it's a matter of self-pride. I come from a southern US family with strong personalities (especially the 'matriarch' side) . My grandmother had 7 siblings and 4 are female so historically large families. We are mostly nurturing types and very much enjoy the cooking, cleaning and preparation aspect of making a social and inviting home. It's also to some extent an extension of southern hospitality. I'm a bit an obsessive organizer as well and need an organized space. I'm going nuts right now that I moved into my house over a year and still yet don't have places to store all my misc things... I notice it every time I enter my office."

:laugh: I recognise so much of what you depict here. Over the years, a lot of people whose impromptu visits to our home have coincided with us eating a meal, or even some who have been invited to dinner, express surprise that we all eat as a family seated at the dining table, and that we serve the meal in individual tureens with gravy boats etc, for diners to take their own food from.

By return, I have not only been surprised by their revelation that a lot of families do not eat together, but also that some of them do not EVER eat home cooked meals.

"God forbid I ever were in that house, I'd clean with a vengeance because it's a matter of stubborn pride as well as creating comfort and wellness for wellness. I guess I'm a little like Emma's heightened sensitivity level to negative conversations. Of course, all things in balancet I can stand some "filth" and clutter, but there needs to be a purge of things regularly so that at least the mess is contained to places that would naturally be cluttered or "messy" at times.

When you're stuck in an environment with 15-19 other people I imagine that urge to purge will be further exacerbated if you're a neat freak. Though really, how hard is it to at least clean the bedroom? At least vacuum? :shrug: Even worse, millions of people watching the program and seeing you lying on bed next to used underwear and beverages... eww no

I guess Jason from his tough man exterior and his 'cool as a cucumber' persona they play it as if it is actually quite beneath him to clean since rich people apparently don't clean. So they can mull over the question of whether he's there just "play the game". "


Like you, I love my home to be clean and tidy, and derive huge satisfaction from actually doing the cleaning, but - again like you - I am no obsessive, and would tolerate some untidiness and a little 'dirt' if I was living in the BB House with so many other people.

As with Jason - and your good self - I would find myself cooking and cleaning without really thinking about it, but unfortunately for those others, I would be far less accepting than poor Jason of any cynical backstabbing that I was doing so as 'part of a game plan' to win - especially when those same backstabbers are happily content to stuff their faces with the food I've cooked for them.

"Really... it's just that Jackson can be quite the diva in his own way and he expects that the "nice straight man" spotlight constantly be on him. Without Georgina or other people to faux "submit" to, we're seeing more of his actual character. For example, he doesn't really bitch per say about the Ryan and Hughies of the house because on some level he thinks he's actually a better person than them. You hear him talking about himself a lot of times, about his "son" and how he is "the nicest guy you've ever met"... it's actually rude because if you listen to him, it sounds like he's saying "well I'm actually better than you, so of course you would think that, you don't see how awesome that makes me"...

I read somewhere he may have/had an addiction. We have an addict in our family who is very similar to Jackson... he is socially immature and child-like response to things going on around him... he will give away tons of work, praise and contribution "for free", but will never let you forget it and then sometimes expects "payment" in the form of peer recognition and has no problem accepting "handouts" or large sums of money as well... it's quite infuriating when a grown man does it. Jackson seems to be shades of this person, or at least like a lower-level version of the that "living on the edge of materially impoverished, but the soul is forever rich for it" persona... it's all great on paper until you realize that for everything that person does, there's usually a price, whether you like it or not... you're bound to them and to some degree, responsible for their emotionally well-being and can never question their image... in their logic
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Jason doesn't do things to expect emotional or physical payment and because this is the way Jackson's world works he is suspicious. Tells you more about Jackson really than Jason."

I agree with your insightful summary of Jackson, which is validated because of your direct personal experience with an addict - not something which too many people will be familiar with.

Although I cannot guarantee that I will always agree with your views Maru, I can tell you that I do genuinely look forward to you posting and love reading what you have to say.

Keep them coming.

[kirklancaster]

Plus Kirk it would keep him busy in a house where there is not much to do,he doesn't smoke or prance about,you can bet when he has cooked something they all sit down and effing eat it,bloody morons.

:joker: Go Kaz - I love it when your 'dander's up' :laugh: Morons is about right. :hee:

[waterhog]

good starting post - I question this as well.


Jason is my winner at the moment.