Jason taking all the flack...

[Northern Monkey]

For Ryan going?Idgi.He was'nt the only one to vote for the little orange turd.Why's he the devil?

[Cherie]

:facepalm:

[Amy Jade]

No he isn't.

Hughie just doesn't understand/respect his reasons behind his vote for Ryan. Literally nobody laid soul blame on Jason.

[Vanessa]

For Ryan going?Idgi.He was'nt the only one to vote for the little orange turd.Why's he the devil?

I know, it's not fair is it? When 4 people voted Ryan out but do they get any hassle for it? Of course not :mad:

[Northern Monkey]

Ryan was'nt calling anyone else a "dickhead" for voting him.It seems that everyone elses choices are respected but Jason is fecked whoever he picks.The only way Jason would be let off is if he'd have picked Andy or possibly Jane in an anhialation.Any other choice he makes then he's suddenly the bad bastard for his honest decisions or should he just be a sheep and go with the popular choice?

[Vanessa]

Ryan was'nt calling anyone else a "dickhead" for voting him.It seems that everyone elses choices are respected but Jason is fecked whoever he picks.The only way Jason would be let off is if he'd have picked Andy or possibly Jane in an anhialation.Any other choice he makes then he's suddenly the bad bastard for his honest decisions or should he just be a sheep and go with the popular choice.

This makes me want to support him even more. I hate to see people treated unfairly :fist:

[Northern Monkey]

This makes me want to support him even more. I hate to see people treated unfairly :fist:Yep i think his treatment will make him more popular with the public.All Ryans abuse is playing right into his hands.If Ryan had more brains he'd have took it gracefully and gone quietly.

[Amy Jade]

Again...nobody blamed Ryan's eviction just on Jason, they just too unbridge to his reasons.

[jaxie]

It's ridiculous, specially when you see the kind of thing Ryan was saying. Jason seems like a gentleman and I can see how that kind of talk about a young lady would bother him, even if she is a knickerless twat!

Hughie and Jason are both favourites of mine but I think Hughie is in the wrong here. He is acting like Jason is the only one who voted Ryan off.

[Vanessa]

It reminds me of Jim Davison, who used to get blamed for everything. Jims fault! :joker:

[Headie]

I know, it's not fair is it? When 4 people voted Ryan out but do they get any hassle for it? Of course not :mad:

Hang on didn't you make the "Jason destroying the clique" thread?

He's either responsible for Ryan going or he isn't. Make your mind up.

[hot2go]

This makes me want to support him even more. I hate to see people treated unfairly :fist:

Yeh, bring it on I say...the more he gets vilified the larger his support grows.

[Vanessa]

It's ridiculous, specially when you see the kind of thing Ryan was saying. Jason seems like a gentleman and I can see how that kind of talk about a young lady would bother him, even if she is a knickerless twat!

Hughie and Jason are both favourites of mine but I think Hughie is in the wrong here. He is acting like Jason is the only one who voted Ryan off.
Fair enough if they disagree with his reason, but they acted like he was the only one to evict Ryan.

[Vanessa]

Yeh, bring it on I say...the more he gets vilified the larger his support grows.

4 people evicted Ryan. That's all I'm going to say.

[Greg!]

He's not getting all the flack at all. Hughie simply called him out for being two faced and not speaking his mind at the time, which is fair enough

[Headie]

4 people evicted Ryan. That's all I'm going to say.

So Jason didn't "destroy the clique" then?

[hot2go]

They all wanna get their stealers on the cash on Friday, they are all game playing at this stage...every one of em...even darling little Evelyn and lovely sweet unassuming Jayne....why do people think she chose Ryan ? For the same equally dispicable behaviour as Jason did.

[Amy Jade]

Hang on didn't you make the "Jason destroying the clique" thread?

He's either responsible for Ryan going or he isn't. Make your mind up.

:clap1::clap1::clap1::clap1:

[hot2go]

So Jason didn't "destroy the clique" then?

When you say the clique do you mean the group of people who bitched behind people's backs, believed that their ring leader was more deserving than anyone else, isolated other housemates then approached them as a group to intimate them, didn't try in tasks and continually watched the whole house get punished because they were always breaking the rules, used their nominations to target people unfarely. Do you mean that clique. If so, then why is it not acceptable that some of the others have tried, and succeeded in breaking the clique into pieces ?

[Withano]

Jason doesnt understand what derogatory means.. I think thats why they were mad. He gave a reason which made zero sense.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

I think its more with what Jason said about Ryan is why he is getting most flack, the other 3 had valid reasons; Jason did too as they showed Ryans comments, but they wont accept that comment

[JTM45]

Jason doesnt understand what derogatory means..

I think Jason understands a lot more than some thick eejit like Hughie!:laugh:

[Northern Monkey]

I think its more with what Jason said about Ryan is why he is getting most flack, the other 3 had valid reasons; Jason did too as they showed Ryans comments, but they wont accept that comment

The thing is,I don't think they'd have accepted Jasons reason whatever it was.They just dislike him so out of all the four who voted Ryan Jason's the bad bastard.

[Vanessa]

Jason reason was the most valid actually. He was proven right when Ryan made that awful comment to Emma. Can't believe I ever liked the guy.

[Withano]

I think Jason understands a lot more than some thick eejit like Hughie!:laugh:

I completely agree with that.. He still doesnt understand what derogatory means though, making his nomination weird and worth discussing further.

[Northern Monkey]

Jason reason was the most valid actually. He was proven right when Ryan made that awful comment to Emma. Can't believe I ever liked the guy.

Very true.Disgraceful sexism from Ryan

[DrunkerThanMoses]

The thing is,I don't think they'd have accepted Jasons reason whatever it was.They just dislike him so out of all the four who voted Ryan Jason's the bad bastard.

Yeah still bitter he took out their queen the other day

[Amy Jade]

Vanessa, you call Ryan's comment awful but you supported Marco who called Laura a slut and a bitch when they were in the house together...I'm a bit confused by that :shrug:

[Kazanne]

Jason doesnt understand what derogatory means.. I think thats why they were mad. He gave a reason which made zero sense.

Well the comment clearly made sense BB showed Ryan saying it:joker::joker::joker:

[rusticgal]

Jason doesnt understand what derogatory means.. I think thats why they were mad. He gave a reason which made zero sense.



Jason knew what he meant and explained it to Hughie....unfortunately the likes of Hughie and Ryan don't really know what the word means.

[Withano]

Well the comment clearly made sense BB showed Ryan saying it:joker::joker::joker:

Thats not derogatory though. Thats not what derogatory means. Its a valid reason for nominating somebody but not because what Ryan said was derogatory.. its not derogatory.. Its crude, hypersexual, perhaps disrespectful.. But not derogatory.

The thread asked why Jason is getting the flack and I believe it is because he has no idea what derogatory means.

[Withano]

Jason knew what he meant and explained it to Hughie....unfortunately the likes of Hughie and Ryan don't really know what the word means.

And thats whys the argument died down afterwards. Jasons nomination was completely valid. But Ryans comments were not derogatory. The initial confusion evaporated cus he explained himself further.

[Cherie]

Thats not derogatory though. Thats not what derogatory means. Its a valid reason for nominating somebody but not because what Ryan said was derogatory.. its not derogatory.. Its crude, hypersexual, perhaps disrespectful.. But not derogatory.

The thread asked why Jason is getting the flack and I believe it is because he has no idea what derogatory means.


:clap2:

[Northern Monkey]

Thats not derogatory though. Thats not what derogatory means. Its a valid reason for nominating somebody but not because what Ryan said was derogatory.. its not derogatory.. Its crude, hypersexual, perhaps disrespectful.. But not derogatory.

The thread asked why Jason is getting the flack and I believe it is because he has no idea what derogatory means.I notice that one of your descriptors for Ryans comment was 'disrespectful'.
Now here is the definition of 'derogatory' -
'derogatory
dɪˈrɒɡət(ə)ri/
adjective
showing a critical or disrespectful attitude.'

So actually according to you Jason does infact know the meaning of the word.

[Kazanne]

I notice that one of your descriptors for Ryans comment was 'disrespectful'.
Now here is the definition of 'derogatory' -
'derogatory
dɪˈrɒɡət(ə)ri/
adjective
showing a critical or disrespectful attitude.'

So actually according to you Jason does infact know the meaning of the word.

Yep,just what I pulled up too

[Withano]

I notice that one of your descriptors for Ryans comment was 'disrespectful'.
Now here is the definition of 'derogatory' -
'derogatory
dɪˈrɒɡət(ə)ri/
adjective
showing a critical or disrespectful attitude.'

So actually according to you Jason does infact know the meaning of the word.

Yep,just what I pulled up too

Derogatory and disrespectful are not synonyms :facepalm:

Yes what Ryan said could be disrespectful.. But not derogatory..

Spitting on a grave is disrespectful and not derogatory for example.

I don't know how to explain this to you any further, this is something you (and Jason) should research in your own time.

[chuff me dizzy]

Watching the video of Ryan talking utter filth proves Jason was 100% justified in the reason he nominated him

[kirklancaster]

I was in my garden this morning and stepped on a fat slimy slug which had been gorging on the leaves of a young plant. Boy, I wish I hadn't - I had to spend hours explaining to that 'orrible thing as it was dying, just why I'd squashed it.

I found myself briefly touching on aspects of a whole range of subjects from existentialism to Freud's theories of pscho-analysis in my attempt to justify my action, but finally, I just had to face facts, and tell that slug, that I squashed it because it was a 'orrible, repulsive, slimy pest which NEEDED squashing.

it's a funny old world - innit.

[waterhog]

kirky baby - when you finally tire from me - I hope you don't do that to me. :bawling:

[sampvt]

Derogatory and disrespectful are not synonyms :facepalm:

Yes what Ryan said could be disrespectful.. But not derogatory..

Spitting on a grave is disrespectful and not derogatory for example.

I don't know how to explain this to you any further, this is something you (and Jason) should research in your own time.

You don't know how to explain it because you are wrong. If we take the literary meaning of all words spoken, the English language makes no sense. It is a language that we fill the gaps in with common sense and understanding. The best known phrase or statement people these days use is f..k off. Try explaining that to a foreigner. It means make love away....no that's daft. Just the same as Derogatory and disrespectful live in the same bowl.

Anyone can dissect and cogitate over everything we say and come up with a technically logical reason why it makes no sense but as Churchill one said, if it sounds right in English, it is right.

The statement Jason made to Ryan made no sense to ryan because he is thick, but when we apply a bit of common sense to what he said, nearly everyone there understood what he meant. Trying to prove it is grammatically wrong is an exercise in futility and fails badly. You are now being derogatory and disrespectful to everyone that thought the statement was right, work that one out.

[Withano]

You don't know how to explain it because you are wrong. If we take the literary meaning of all words spoken, the English language makes no sense. It is a language that we fill the gaps in with common sense and understanding. The best known phrase or statement people these days use is f..k off. Try explaining that to a foreigner. It means make love away....no that's daft. Just the same as Derogatory and disrespectful live in the same bowl.

Anyone can dissect and cogitate over everything we say and come up with a technically logical reason why it makes no sense but as Churchill one said, if it sounds right in English, it is right.

The statement Jason made to Ryan made no sense to ryan because he is thick, but when we apply a bit of common sense to what he said, nearly everyone there understood what he meant. Trying to prove it is grammatically wrong is an exercise in futility and fails badly. You are now being derogatory and disrespectful to everyone that thought the statement was right, work that one out.

If you think that derogatory means disrespectful and disrespectful means derogatory then i honestly feel a bit sorry for you.

Yes Ryan was disrespectful. If Jason used this as his reason, The house wouldnt care. But Jason used the word derogatory and this did not make sense in the context that he used.

[sampvt]

If you think that derogatory means disrespectful and disrespectful means derogatory then i honestly feel a bit sorry for you.

Yes Ryan was disrespectful. If Jason used this as his reason, The house wouldnt care. But Jason used the word derogatory and this did not make sense in the context that he used.

im glad you posted this, you've dug your own grave, byeeeeee

[Withano]

im glad you posted this, you've dug your own grave, byeeeeee

I can feel sorry for whoever I like.

[Jan S]

Again...nobody blamed Ryan's eviction just on Jason, they just too unbridge to his reasons.

soul blame's hard to handle...

took me a few moments to decipher your quoted post - would that be welsh for 'took umbridge'?

[Jan S]

If you think that derogatory means disrespectful and disrespectful means derogatory then i honestly feel a bit sorry for you.

Yes Ryan was disrespectful. If Jason used this as his reason, The house wouldnt care. But Jason used the word derogatory and this did not make sense in the context that he used.

psst

you may want this:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=derogatory&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gfe_rd=cr&ei=KHGLV7OCL5KQ8Qe81aigDg

you're welcome

[Jan S]

im glad you posted this, you've dug your own grave, byeeeeee

gravediggers come, gravediggers go, but it's mostly all mechanised nowadays: gone the peace and quiet when a man/woman could pit muscle against sod then sit quietly, legs dangling into the excavation, to ponder life's meaning over a pastie.

[Adamw92]

Hang on didn't you make the "Jason destroying the clique" thread?

He's either responsible for Ryan going or he isn't. Make your mind up.

:clap2: :clap2:

[Withano]

psst

you may want this:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=derogatory&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gfe_rd=cr&ei=KHGLV7OCL5KQ8Qe81aigDg

you're welcome

I am shocked that so many adults don't know what derogatory means - yes, all derogatory things are disrespectful. That does not mean all disrespectful things are derogatory. Christ. Ryans comments were disrespectful, not derogatory not both. Perhaps I should give Jason the benefit though, apparently lots of adults don't understand the word

[-Sue-]

This makes me want to support him even more. I hate to see people treated unfairly :fist:

lol well said and agreed :D

[tanussa]

Again...nobody blamed Ryan's eviction just on Jason, they just too unbridge to his reasons.

his reasons being justified if you watched last nights highlight show & ryans interview with emma.

[tanussa]

why has this thread suddenly turned into a,lesson in the english language

[tanussa]

Jason knew what he meant and explained it to Hughie....unfortunately the likes of Hughie and Ryan don't really know what the word means.

lets face it ryan & hughie dont know what many words mean if they have more than 3 letters

[-Sue-]

lets face it ryan & hughie dont know what many words mean if they have more than 3 letters

:joker: lol so true :D

[Jan S]

why has this thread suddenly turned into a,lesson in the english language

i'd hazard a guess it's because words have meanings and when people ignore those meanings it results in confusion *bites inner cheek*

[Withano]

i'd hazard a guess it's because words have meanings and when people ignore those meanings it results in confusion *bites inner cheek*

You were one of the people who thought disrespectful and derogatory meant the same thing. But yes, tell us more about ignoring the meanings of words and how that confuses people. :joker:

[Jordan.]

They were shocked at Jason's reason because he hadn't said anything about it in the past. Same for Lateysha.

[-Sue-]

They were shocked at Jason's reason because he hadn't said anything about it in the past. Same for Lateysha.

he explained himself.. he finds it hard to talk (and the way some Hm's over react I can see why he keeps quiet most of the time)

Im not sure if you mean why he voted for teesh out.. or if you mean teesh did same thing..??

so I will ask .. what do you mean by 'Same for Lateysha'

[Amy Jade]

You were one of the people who thought disrespectful and derogatory meant the same thing. But yes, tell us more about ignoring the meanings of words and how that confuses people. :joker:

:laugh2:

[Jan S]

You were one of the people who thought disrespectful and derogatory meant the same thing. But yes, tell us more about ignoring the meanings of words and how that confuses people. :joker:

:laugh2:

so neither of you followed the link to all the dictionaries? silly me, of course not.

[Ross.]

Hang on didn't you make the "Jason destroying the clique" thread?

He's either responsible for Ryan going or he isn't. Make your mind up.

:clap1: My thoughts exactly

[Kazanne]

so neither of you followed the link to all the dictionaries? silly me, of course not.

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[kirklancaster]

These threads are becoming more and more like Serious Debates by the minute.

[Jan S]

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

perhaps i should have c&p'd to make life easier but i've always found links quite simple to click on :shrug:

and as a published writer/copy editor/editor for fun/once-upon-a-time owner-admin of a writing site then i thought i'd be helpful by offering some choice.... :wavey:

[Jan S]

These threads are becoming more and more like Serious Debates by the minute.

:moons: :cheer2:

[Withano]

so neither of you followed the link to all the dictionaries? silly me, of course not.

perhaps i should have c&p'd to make life easier but i've always found links quite simple to click on :shrug:

and as a published writer/copy editor/editor for fun/once-upon-a-time owner-admin of a writing site then i thought i'd be helpful by offering some choice.... :wavey:


This is getting completely embarrasing for you. Yes we followed the link and yes we understand that to be derogatory you need to show a disrespectful attitude. But disrespectful does not mean derogatory and derogatory does not mean disrespectful. Derogatory also does not mean showing or attitude.. Incase thats how you think dictionaries work..

Ryan was disrespectful in his words, not derogatory. They are not synonyms. You, Kazzane and Jason not understanding this is the problem.

Tldr/too stubborn to admit im wrong:
All derogatory things are disrepectful
Not all disrespectful things are derogatory

Spittin on a grave is disrepectful and not derogatory.
Jasons example of Ryans "derogatory comments" were disrespectful and not derogatory

Come on now. This is basic stuff, i shouldnt have to be repeating it in different ways.

[Withano]

Jasons vote for Ryan was completely valid.. Jason didnt like thhe crude and disrespectful ways he spoke about others. But his reason "Ryan was being derogatory" was invalid. The example Jason gave had nothing derogatory about it.. Jason just had a try with a long word and failed. And thats why the house was confused. If Jason had said "sometimes, Ryan is disrespectful" i am certain nobody would kick a fuss because its very easy to remember plenty of times where this was true.

Derogatory is a very direct insult about a specific type of act which nobody has seen Ryan do in the house.

Although his justification was fair, his words were not. I think Jason learnt his lesson of dont use big words unless he understand them, hope a few others take this lesson around wih them too.

[Jan S]

This is getting completely embarrasing for you. Yes we followed the link and yes we understand that to be derogatory you need to show a disrespectful attitude. But derogatory does not mean disrespectful. Derogatory also does not mean showing or attitude.. Incase thats how you think dictionaries work..

Ryan was disrespectful in his words, not derogatory. They are not synonyms. You, Kazzane and Jason not understanding this is the problem.

Tldr/too stubborn to admit im wrong:
All derogatory things are disrepectful
Not all disrespectful things are derogatory

Spittin on a grave is disrepectful and not derogatory.
Jasons example of Ryans derogatory comments were disrespectful and not derogatory

Come on now. This is basic stuff, i shouldnt have to be repeating it in different ways.
maybe move beyond the basics ;)

[Withano]

maybe move beyond the basics ;)

Maybe learn the basics