Andy is a dilsoyal git

[Vanessa]

Fair enough, be honest with Jason. But to turn your back on him after he was there for you when you had no one? What a slimey worm :nono: I hope Jason nominates his ass.

[jet]

Have you forgotten that Andy was the only one who stood by Jason when he evicted Laytesha, risking being isolated all over again when he was getting on better with everyone?

Have you forgotten that later that very night Alex was criticising Andy to Jason and Jason said nothing to defend him?

Have your forgotten that when Andy and Jayne were up for immunity it was Jackson who jumped in and made a strong case to give it to Andy which swayed the others while Jason sat and said nothing?

Jason hasn't always been there for Andy, but people only see what they want to see.

[Vanessa]

Have you forgotten that Andy was the only one who stood by Jason when he evicted Laytesha, risking being isolated all over again when he was getting on better with everyone?

Have you forgotten that later that very night Alex was criticising Andy to Jason and Jason said nothing to defend him?

Have your forgotten that when Andy and Jayne were up for immunity it was Jackson who jumped in and made a strong case to give it to Andy which swayed the others while Jason sat and said nothing?

Jason hasn't always been there for Andy, but people only see what they want to see.

He was there for him when he was feeling isolated.

[LukeB]

His impression of jason was hilarious :joker:

[Vanessa]

His impression of jason was hilarious :joker:

He's as hilarious as warts :hee:

[Withano]

Jasons changed though. He was loyal to the Jason he knew a week ago, not this self-loathing,, miserable, tactile arsehole. Andy has to move on if he wants any hope of smiling in his last week in the house.

[erinp5]

Andy is Jason's mate , so he mimicked Jason being down in the dumps , big deal .

[GiRTh]

Have you forgotten that Andy was the only one who stood by Jason when he evicted Laytesha, risking being isolated all over again when he was getting on better with everyone?

Have you forgotten that later that very night Alex was criticising Andy to Jason and Jason said nothing to defend him?

Have your forgotten that when Andy and Jayne were up for immunity it was Jackson who jumped in and made a strong case to give it to Andy which swayed the others while Jason sat and said nothing?

Jason hasn't always been there for Andy, but people only see what they want to see.:clap1:

Jason hasnt been there for Andy as much as Andy as been for Jason.

[Jake.]

couldn't have agreed with andy more actually, he's stuck by him during his silly decisions and he's probably tired of him moping around like a damp squid

[Lostie!]

I don't really think he's turned on him, he's just frustrated by his recent behavior. If he nominated him then that's a different matter but that remains to be seen,

[Vanessa]

I don't really think he's turned on him, he's just frustrated by his recent behavior. If he nominated him then that's a different matter but that remains to be seen,

I don't have a problem with Andy getting frustrated. But he mocked him last night, uncalled for. :nono:

[jet]

He was there for him when he was feeling isolated.

As Andy was there for him when he was isolated after evicting Laytesha.

And it doesn't matter to you that Jason didn't always stick up for Andy as I said in my post? Okay then Vanessa, it's one rule for Andy and another for Jason. I got it.

[Vanessa]

As Andy was there for him when he was isolated after evicting Laytesha.

And it doesn't matter to you that Jason didn't always stick up for Andy as I said in my post? Okay then Vanessa, it's one rule for Andy and another for Jason. I got it.

Jason has never mocked Andy.

[Tom4784]

Jason is determined to be a victim and a martyr, it's tiring to watch so I can't imagine what it's like to live with. I don't like Andy but it's silly to question his loyalty to Jason when he's been there for him since the start.

Loyalty isn't telling someone what they want to hear, Andy was spot on about Jason last night and it's a shame he didn't tell Jason because that would have helped him more than anything else.

[Vanessa]

Jason is determined to be a victim and a martyr, it's tiring to watch so I can't imagine what it's like to live with. I don't like Andy but it's silly to question his loyalty to Jason when he's been there for him since the start.

Loyalty isn't telling someone what they want to hear, Andy was spot on about Jason last night and it's a shame he didn't tell Jason because that would have helped him more than anything else.

I agree he should have talked to him.

[jet]

Jason has never mocked Andy.

Andy was imitating the Brighton accent which he finds quite funny. He was more than a little tipsy and just having a laugh.
But if you think that's worse than not speaking out for your friend to get immunity have at it.

[Tom4784]

I agree he should have talked to him.

Good job on blocking out everything except what you wanted to hear, I guess.

If anyone's been disloyal then it's Jason since Jason hasn't had his back because Jason has never stuck his neck out for Andy before.

[Vanessa]

Andy was imitating the Brighton accent which he finds quite funny. He was more than a little tipsy and just having a laugh.
But if you think that's worse than not speaking out for your friend to get immunity have at it.

I hope so, because there's nothing i hate more than disloyalty.

[Tom4784]

I hope so, because there's nothing i hate more than disloyalty.

Then where is the 'Jason is a disloyal git' thread?

[Vanessa]

Then where is the 'Jason is a disloyal git' thread?

Jason has not been disloyal.

[jet]

Good job on blocking out everything except what you wanted to hear, I guess.

If anyone's been disloyal then it's Jason since Jason hasn't had his back because Jason has never stuck his neck out for Andy before.

:clap1:

Nobody will be big enough to admit that though.

[Vanessa]

Good job on blocking out everything except what you wanted to hear, I guess.

If anyone's been disloyal then it's Jason since Jason hasn't had his back because Jason has never stuck his neck out for Andy before.

He has always been there for him when no one else was.

[joeysteele]

Andy was imitating the Brighton accent which he finds quite funny. He was more than a little tipsy and just having a laugh.
But if you think that's worse than not speaking out for your friend to get immunity have at it.

I don't think Andy said or did anything out of order either, I doubt he even sees Jason as anything other than being still a friend.
His take on the accent was funny.

Being a friend does not mean you have to agree and support all the time, there are times when a really good friend realises even the best of friends can be irritating at times.

It is nothing sinister or being nasty in any way at all in my view.

[Beso]

so what, it's only Jason:shrug:

[Tom4784]

Jason has not been disloyal.

I don't even like Andy but it's plain to anyone with unclouded eyes that Andy has actively supported Jason throughout their time in the house yet Jason never defends Andy in group situations because he doesn't want to put himself at risk.

You just think Andy is disloyal because you mistake loyalty for blind faith.

[Tom4784]

He has always been there for him when no one else was.

He's only there for Andy when none of the other HMs are present.

[Vanessa]

I don't even like Andy but it's plain to anyone with unclouded eyes that Andy has actively supported Jason throughout their time in the house yet Jason never defends Andy in group situations because he doesn't want to put himself at risk.

You just think Andy is disloyal because you mistake loyalty for blind faith.

i just didn't like the way he acted last night. But i guess we will have to wait and see.

[Tom4784]

i just didn't like the way he acted last night. But i guess we will have to wait and see.

Well no, we don't have to wait and see.

We have weeks of footage of Andy being there for Jason regardless of circumstances and Jason not doing the same for Andy if it doesn't benefit him.

[Vanessa]

Well no, we don't have to wait and see.

We have weeks of footage of Andy being there for Jason regardless of circumstances and Jason not doing the same for Andy if it doesn't benefit him.

We will have to agree to disagree then.

[Tom4784]

We will have to agree to disagree then.

Don't know how you can agree to disagree when proof of Jason's disloyalty has been broadcasted on national TV. You can choose to ignore it or accept it but you can't agree to disagree when there's evidence, it's not a theological debate.

[jet]

I don't think Andy said or did anything out of order either, I doubt he even sees Jason as anything other than being still a friend.
His take on the accent was funny.

Being a friend does not mean you have to agree and support all the time, there are times when a really good friend realises even the best of friends can be irritating at times.

It is nothing sinister or being nasty in any way at all in my view.

Exactly Joey! You'd think Andy had sworn on oath to be 100% for Jason at all times, never leave his side and only have fun when Jason is in the mood. He's a friend, not Jason's paid carer, and I'm sure Jason would be mortified if he knew people were practically saying he should be molly coddled. :shocked:

[Beso]

I doubt Jason's even farted yet incase it tarnishes his portrayal of a good guy.

[Amy Jade]

I don't like either but Andy has been more loyal than Jason, I can't even think of one time Jason has jumped to Andys defence like Andy has done for him.

[jet]

I doubt Jason's even farted yet incase it tarnishes his portrayal of a good guy.

:joker:

[delta]

I don't have a problem with Andy getting frustrate d. But he mocked him last night, uncalled for. :nono:


This, Andy is another one of BB's loathsome characters. Lateysha had it right, when she said 'he makes my skin crawl' he's a slimy piece of work, another one that is quite happy when the spot light is on him.

He knew he'd been bad mouthing Jason and was bricking it, when Jason comes out he will feel extremely disappointed when he sees the high lights back. I actually think he doesn't like Jason and it's an alliance of convenience on his part. Where as I don't think Jason dislikes Andy, but I would say he's not the sort of bloke ( term used loosely) that he would normally talk to.

Andy holds everyone in there with utter contempt and thinks they are beneath him, he thinks he is some intellectual heavy weight- he's reasonably bright but not earth shattering and Hughie can more than hold his own with him.

[sungrass]

Andy is in the diary room slagging Jason off - I dont see that the other way round...Jason is playing alone now - I dont think he even notices anyone else and I dont see him asking for help - hes the kinda one that retreats into themselves to regain strength

[Vanessa]

And it looks like Andy nominated Jason. He was stuck to him like glue when he got cheers. The minute he gets boos he distances himself, then nominates him. Some friend :nono:

[chuff me dizzy]

Agree Nessa ,and IF he's nominated Jason this week I will totally dislike him even more

[Vanessa]

Agree Nessa ,and IF he's nominated Jason this week I will totally dislike him even more

I get the feeling he's a sly one.

[chuff me dizzy]

I get the feeling he's a sly one.

Watch this and see him chewing his nails up to his elbows !! I think he's defo voted Jason ,and what a snake that would make him

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/nominations-are-played-back-housemates-day-42

[waterhog]

Fair enough, be honest with Jason. But to turn your back on him after he was there for you when you had no one? What a slimey worm :nono: I hope Jason nominates his ass.

its a game and he is playing it. :dance:

[Vanessa]

its a game and he is playing it. :dance:

He will lose all the supprot he has for being a snake.

[hot2go]

cAgree Nessa ,and IF he's nominated Jason this week I will totally dislike him even more

And if Jason nominates Andy ? What then ?

[Jordan.]

Needs to make his mind up if they're friends or not because when he's around Jason he's all up for supporting him then he goes and slates him in DR straight after

[Vanessa]

Needs to make his mind up if they're friends or not because when he's around Jason he's all up for supporting him then he goes and slates him in DR straight after

He's not a loyal friend, is he? :facepalm:

[joeysteele]

He won't lose my support even if he has, just as Jason would not lose my support had he as to Andy.
These things happen and for many reasons not just bad ones.

[Vanessa]

He won't lose my support even if he has, just as Jason would not lose my support along had he as to Andy.
These things happen and for many reasons not just bad ones.

It would piss me off no end. And Jason hassle never snagged off Andy in the diary room. Nominating him. On top of that would be too much for me.

[joeysteele]

It would piss me off no end. And Jason hassle never snagged off Andy in the diary room. Nominating him. On top of that would be too much for me.

I have yet to hear or see Andy really saying anything that could be even termed unpleasant, never mind bad, from Andy as to Jason anywhere in the house or diary room.
..and vice versa too.

[Vanessa]

I have yet to hear or see Andy really saying anything that could be even termed unpleasant, never mind bad, from Andy as to Jason anywhere in the house or diary room.
..and vice versa too.

I know Jason would forgive Andy if he nominated him. But I can't. I hate disloyalty.

[Tom4784]

I get the feeling he's a sly one.

Again, when has Jason ever defended Andy. It seems like pretty much a one sided friendship to me, Andy puts himself on the line for Jason on the regular but Jason's quiet as a mouse when the HMs bitch about Andy.

Jason's a terrible friend.

[hot2go]

I know Jason would forgive Andy if he nominated him. But I can't. I hate disloyalty.n

Has Andy nominated Jason then ?

[Vanessa]

n

Has Andy nominated Jason then ?

We don't know yet, but the clip suggests he feels terrible for nominating someone. I can't see who else it could be. Sound like Jason to me.

[jet]

Again, when has Jason ever defended Andy. It seems like pretty much a one sided friendship to me, Andy puts himself on the line for Jason on the regular but Jason's quiet as a mouse when the HMs bitch about Andy.

Jason's a terrible friend.

I agree Andy has been a better friend to Jason than Jason has been to him. He didn't even TRY to get Andy immunity; he says not a word when HM's bitch about 'his friend'. I don't know what some people are seeing, but it's certainly not the facts.

[hot2go]

Exactly Joey! You'd think Andy had sworn on oath to be 100% for Jason at all times, never leave his side and only have fun when Jason is in the mood. He's a friend, not Jason's paid carer, and I'm sure Jason would be mortified if he knew people were practically saying he should be molly coddled. :shocked:

Brilliant post jet...I agree.

And why people who liked both of them two days ago and have done for weeks are now wanting others to choose sides I just can't understand.
I like both but there's never been a question of switching sides, I want Andy to win. But if Jason wins I would be delighted too. Even if Hughie or Jayne win I wouldn't be unhappy about it. TBF it's enough for me to know Lateysha didn't win, anything else is just a bonus.

[hot2go]

I agree Andy has been a better friend to Jason than Jason has been to him. He didn't even TRY to get Andy immunity; he says not a word when HM's bitch about 'his friend'. I don't know what some people are seeing, but it's certainly not the facts.

I take Jason with his flaws, they all have them but some are more / or less acceptable to people depending on what is deemed offensive to each individual.
I didn't turn against Jason when he hasn't been there for Andy in the past so I sure as hell ain't gonna turn against Andy for it, especially as I've yet to even see anything that constitutes the allegations being made.

When Andy took on the whole house because of their treatment of Jason, Jason didn't have Andys back at all. He sat with Alex instead and listened to him defend the clique while putting Andy down.
When Hughie bullied Andy in the garden then continued to harass and intimidate him in the kitchen Jason was right there and said noting.
I've yet to see how Andy has been disloyal to Jason but if he has he's not exactly breaking new ground in the house is he ?

[jet]

I take Jason with his flaws, they all have them but some are more / or less acceptable to people depending on what is deemed offensive to each individual.
I didn't turn against Jason when he hasn't been there for Andy in the past so I sure as hell ain't gonna turn against Andy for it, especially as I've yet to even see anything that constitutes the allegations being made.

When Andy took on the whole house because of their treatment of Jason, Jason didn't have Andys back at all. He sat with Alex instead and listened to him defend the clique while putting Andy down.
When Hughie bullied Andy in the garden then continued to harass and intimidate him in the kitchen Jason was right there and said noting.
I've yet to see how Andy has been disloyal to Jason but if he has he's not exactly breaking new ground in the house is he ?

I was exactly the same. I didn't even mention at the time what I seen as Jason not supporting Andy because I reckoned Andy was well able to look after himself and it isn't as if they were life long pals. They've only known each other for a few weeks ffs. I still liked Jason and he remained my 2nd fave.
But people turning on Andy like that after he had stood alone with Jason has totally sickened me, Jason is obviously seen as a weak character who needs Andy to babysit him and never utter a word that isn't entirely wonderful about him. It's a shame, because Jason himself has done nothing to deserve that image. But I admit all this BS about 'poor' Jason has put me off him a bit, human nature I suppose when your patience is wearing thin with all the 'Andy is horrible' dramatics and when the man being wrongly maligned is MY fave! :shrug:

[_Tom_]

I agree it was disloyal, if Andy was a proper true friend he would've said all this to Jason directly to try and help him - not bitching behind his back in the DR and mimicking him. If he wants to help Jason he needs to actually speak to him

[Vanessa]

I agree it was disloyal, if Andy was a proper true friend he would've said all this to Jason directly to try and help him - not bitching behind his back in the DR and mimicking him. If he wants to help Jason he needs to actually speak to him

Yes and he never does that. He goes straight to the diary room or to the other to bitch :bored: So if he nominated him for me it's the last straw.

[jet]

I agree it was disloyal, if Andy was a proper true friend he would've said all this to Jason directly to try and help him - not bitching behind his back in the DR and mimicking him. If he wants to help Jason he needs to actually speak to him

He did speak to him. You are mistaken.

[hot2go]

We don't know yet, but the clip suggests he feels terrible for nominating someone. I can't see who else it could be. Sound like Jason to me.

I think it could be Alex....I really do...and he would feel bad about it.
Andy def was shocked at Alex taking the money.

[hot2go]

I agree with Jet....the betrayed powerless victim role that Jason is receiving on here isn't fair on him..he is far from being any of those things and Andy too has been a great friend to him since the beginning. Neither deserve to be painted in a bad light.

[delta]

There are two wholly different characters here, one knows the difference between right and wrong and the other has a very simplistic, linear approach to life and doesn't really know or has the tools in his armoury to know how to be a proper friend.

It's like comparing chalk with the proverbial block of cheese.


Andy knows what he is doing and is at all times and is complicit in his actions...Jason is more reactive, he reacts to situations to protect himself. They clearly both want to be liked, it effects them in different ways or what we see in the way they react to not being liked or criticised. Jason goes into himself and beats himself up where as Andy, in his own devised mechanism way, goes into sly mode, contemptuous mode, in denial mode, deflective mode, scheming mode.

[Papillon]

There are two wholly different characters here, one knows the difference between right and wrong and the other has a very simplistic, linear approach to life and doesn't really know or has the tools in his armoury to know how to be a proper friend.

It's like comparing chalk with the proverbial block of cheese.


Andy knows what he is doing and is at all times and is complicit in his actions...Jason is more reactive, he reacts to situations to protect himself. They clearly both want to be liked, it effects them in different ways or what we see in the way they react to not being liked or criticised. Jason goes into himself and beats himself up where as Andy, in his own devised mechanism way, goes into sly mode, contemptuous mode, in denial mode, deflective mode, scheming mode.

and you go into bull$hit mode :rolleyes:

[Speedster]

Have you forgotten that Andy was the only one who stood by Jason when he evicted Laytesha, risking being isolated all over again when he was getting on better with everyone?

Have you forgotten that later that very night Alex was criticising Andy to Jason and Jason said nothing to defend him?

Have your forgotten that when Andy and Jayne were up for immunity it was Jackson who jumped in and made a strong case to give it to Andy which swayed the others while Jason sat and said nothing?

Jason hasn't always been there for Andy, but people only see what they want to see.


Spot on.

[delta]

and you go into bull$hit mode :rolleyes:

Says the poster with a sobriquet taken from a sh!t load of bullsh!t


Touch a nerve did we?