Why Jason is a Bad Winner

[Epic.]

Before I start this, I want people to know that I am NOT bitter about Hughie not winning. That's not my issue at all. I also have no issue if any of you thought Jason deserved that win. With that said I want to freely give my say on this.

Jason for me, is one of the worst winners ever, and taints what would've been an amazing season. The main reason I think this is because he basically didn't do much and then did sudden randomly really important things every now and again. His personality itself was very uninteresting due to his lack of emotions and he was usually found to be interesting when he relied on interactions with others, such as Lateysha or Charlie or even Andy. He was never interesting on his own. He got all this sympathy for BB "provoking" him but I was not even feeling bad. If he really wanted to leave then he should've just went out the fire exit.

I don't mind game players (see Nasty Nick and Dexter), but Jason was not only an unlikable one, but an uninteresting one. He was unlikable because he repeatedly kept painting himself as this really nice guy when in actuality he was a game player. This technically isn't a bad thing on paper, but when you take Charlie into account, it really makes him hateable for me. If he was really a game player this whole time, then he used a vulnerable woman's emotions to make himself look better. So it's more of a slimy gameplayer rather than a likable one. Then he was uninteresting because his personality just does not fit the "game player" stigma. He's too reserved, he's too emotionless, and he didn't do anything besides random game changing moves, like nominating Charlie (she wouldn't have been up for eviction if he hadn't nominated her), evicting Lateysha, and then breaking down equipment to get sympathy, intentionally or not. He's just not a nice guy like he keeps saying. He may have deserved to rank high, but I really don't think unlikeable behaviour should be rewarded. He did not even get a warning for his damaging of equipment.

Even if Hughie had lost against, say, Jackson for example, I wouldn't mind. As much as I dislike Jackson he stood out much more than Jason so if he won over Hughie, I'd be much less mad. I could even say the same on Jayne, Evelyn, and Andy, regardless of my opinions on any of them.

It's perfectly fine if any of you thought he was a good winner. But I thought he was just a terrible one, plain and simple.

[Jamie89]

My only issue with Jason as a winner is that I don't really feel like I know him. Like you said, he was reserved, and he held back a lot of his true self. So even if people like the Jason that they saw and voted for him based on that, I can't help but feel that his wariness of showing his true self kind of goes against what BB is about. And would he have won if he'd showed it?
Any of the housemates who were evicted because people didn't like 'x' about them, could have just hidden that particular flaw and possibly gone on to win. And surely voting a winner who has openly stated he's hiding certain aspects of his personality, is possibly going to effect how future contestants might behave/how much of themselves they show.
I liked Jason, but I wouldn't have voted for him to win based on all of that.

[Kazanne]

Jason is not a bad winner ,he is only a bad winner to those who lost their faves or won over their faves,simple as that,imo he was a worthy winner

[armand.kay]

Jason is not a bad winner ,he is only a bad winner to those who lost their faves or won over their faves,simple as that,imo he was a worthy winner

Think that's a matter of opinion lol.

[Kazanne]

Think that's a matter of opinion lol.

Well if you read it, it does say IMO.LOL

[Tribal Spaceman]

He was also aggressive, grumpy and two-faced.
He should have been removed from the house for damaging cameras and fittings, no question. He received a favourable edit for the last couple of weeks of the show, which was awful to see.

[Strictly Jake]

I haven't watched the final but I'm actually shocked Jason won! I really disliked him when he evicted Lateysha, but I was fully on his side with the whole Charlie thing despite her being one of my favourites very early on, but I genuinely don't remember him doing all that much, mainly sitting in the smoking area having shifty eyes and looking miserable so I'm not happy about him winning, not because I didn't like him because he came across as quite nice this past few days, but because I don't think he was the most entertaining, and I don't remember that much that he did, I wanted Jayne or Andy to win, Jayne was unrealistic I was hoping for her to be a third place queen, but Andy really deserved it in my opinion and I think he needed it on behalf of his career, I do think Jason played a bit of a game, but anyway it's over and done with and well done to him

[Tom4784]

Jason is not a bad winner ,he is only a bad winner to those who lost their faves or won over their faves,simple as that,imo he was a worthy winner

What exactly did he do in that house that wasn't down to Charlie or Andy?

He evicted Lateysha which would have signed his eviction notice if it hadn't been for Andy and Charlie boosting his chances. It's not bitter to dislike the fact that Jason won, it's a valid opinion because he won when his victory was a result of better HMs carrying him.

[Ellen]

My only issue with Jason as a winner is that I don't really feel like I know him. Like you said, he was reserved, and he held back a lot of his true self. So even if people like the Jason that they saw and voted for him based on that, I can't help but feel that his wariness of showing his true self kind of goes against what BB is about. And would he have won if he'd showed it?
Any of the housemates who were evicted because people didn't like 'x' about them, could have just hidden that particular flaw and possibly gone on to win. And surely voting a winner who has openly stated he's hiding certain aspects of his personality, is possibly going to effect how future contestants might behave/how much of themselves they show.
I liked Jason, but I wouldn't have voted for him to win based on all of that.

It all depends on what you want as a viewer doesnt it? Jason is a quiet reserved chap in general life, he said so himself so why would he ramp up certain traits just to keep in the house, thats not him been him is it?
They all cant be like Ryan, Hughie etc etc and i quite like the fact that there is a big mix of personalities.

[Tribal Spaceman]

Nikki Grahame had his card marked weeks ago. People should have listened!

[Ramsay]

He's the definition of ''MEH''

[Jamie89]

It all depends on what you want as a viewer doesnt it? Jason is a quiet reserved chap in general life, he said so himself so why would he ramp up certain traits just to keep in the house, thats not him been him is it?
They all cant be like Ryan, Hughie etc etc and i quite like the fact that there is a big mix of personalities.
I'm not saying he has to be as big a personality like other housemates or put on a front, it's that I don't think he showed his true personality, or at least held back on it. So it's not his personality type I have an issue with, it's his hiding of his personality. He said himself that there's things he'd have said or done in real life that he was holding back on in the house, and we know from his 'game moves' (ie. Evicting someone he saw as having a good chance of beating him) that he wanted to win. So I think it's a fair assumption that the reason he was holding back was because it would otherwise damage his chances, rather than it being because he was being natural. And that goes against what I personally like to see in BB contestant because I want to be able to judge them on who they are naturally, rather than only judge the sides to them that they think will be the most appealing to the public.

[Kazanne]

What exactly did he do in that house that wasn't down to Charlie or Andy?

He evicted Lateysha which would have signed his eviction notice if it hadn't been for Andy and Charlie boosting his chances. It's not bitter to dislike the fact that Jason won, it's a valid opinion because he won when his victory was a result of better HMs carrying him.

That is your opinion not mine,ALL the housemates carry each other to an extent ,I don't think the other housemates were better than Jason , Jason,Andy,Jayne,Jackson, and Alex were all decent housemates,they were not always selfish two faced and nasty,I have no time for people like that,it's not entertaining for me.

[Vanessa]

Jason won and no one can take it away from him. :smug:

[Cal.]

He's a bad winner because he was boring, treated some of his fellow housemates awfully, didn't need to win and didn't even like the show.

[Liam-]

He's not a bad winner, case solved.

[Vanessa]

Jason is a very deserving winner for everything he has had to put up in the last three weeks. First his psycho ex, who tried to put housemates against him. Then getting the flack for evicting bedroom bitches Tisha and Ryan. As if that wasn't enough that awful task, where Ryan and Charlie showed how nasty they really are.

[Ellen]

I'm not saying he has to be as big a personality like other housemates or put on a front, it's that I don't think he showed his true personality, or at least held back on it. So it's not his personality type I have an issue with, it's his hiding of his personality. He said himself that there's things he'd have said or done in real life that he was holding back on in the house, and we know from his 'game moves' (ie. Evicting someone he saw as having a good chance of beating him) that he wanted to win. So I think it's a fair assumption that the reason he was holding back was because it would otherwise damage his chances, rather than it being because he was being natural. And that goes against what I personally like to see in BB contestant because I want to be able to judge them on who they are naturally, rather than only judge the sides to them that they think will be the most appealing to the public.

I see it slightly different but Fair enough, i take your point :wavey:

[starry]

Nikki Grahame had his card marked weeks ago. People should have listened!

Nicola Grahame's opinion is worth **** all, why she has a fan club on here I don't get at all. She supports Lateysha and all that crap.

[Livia]

Well, he did win. So that's an end to it. More people voted for him than for the others. No amount of bitter, disappointed bellyaching is going to change that.

[Patricia4]

Fantastic winner I backed him from the start.

[bots]

What exactly did he do in that house that wasn't down to Charlie or Andy?

He evicted Lateysha which would have signed his eviction notice if it hadn't been for Andy and Charlie boosting his chances. It's not bitter to dislike the fact that Jason won, it's a valid opinion because he won when his victory was a result of better HMs carrying him.

He behaved like a decent human being in the face of an almighty unfair onslaught. One doesn't need to be a loudmouth to be seen as the best, nor does one need to create fake drama. In my opinion, that's why he won.

At the end of the day, it was at least a close result between 1st and second, so opinion is going to be split in nearly equal numbers, but for me it reflects the 2 camps that watch BB and what they see as entertainment

[Vanessa]

Fantastic winner I backed him from the start.

:cheer:

[rusticgal]

He may not have a big personality....but he had a good heart. If BB hadn't try to test him then they did him a favour.
Charlie was no vulnerable woman ffs...she's hard as nails. She treated him like **** when they were together (she said that herself) and she no doubt took advantage of his nice nature. Charlie is the sort of woman who needs to be treated mean to keep them keen....I bet Jason was a walkover to her and now she hasn't got him keeping her in a lifestyle to which she became accustomed for several months...she now realises she messed up big time.

Jason's a great and worthy winner...he wasn't nasty to anyone. So he evicted Lateysha...so what if he nominated Charlie...he had his reasons like we all have reasons for what we do and choices we make.

Well done Jason...smashing bloke.

[rusticgal]

He behaved like a decent human being in the face of an almighty unfair onslaught. One doesn't need to be a loudmouth to be seen as the best, nor does one need to create fake drama. In my opinion, that's why he won.

At the end of the day, it was at least a close result between 1st and second, so opinion is going to be split in nearly equal numbers, but for me it reflects the 2 camps that watch BB and what they see as entertainment


Well said...:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Braden]

I think he's an okay winner because I found him to be an okay housemate. I understand the argument that other people brought out the character within Jason as oppose to Jason himself, but he was the centre of many vocal points of the series. He got through the situation with Charlie on his own merit, and he also caused one of the most-talked about and controversial moments of the series in evicting Lateysha.

He may not have been as 'entertaining' as someone like Hughie who took up a larger portion of air-time, but I still think he was an alright housemate in respect of the points I've already mentioned. He doesn't seem to be that bad of a person either, but I suppose that's down to opinion. He played the game but not everyone will repsect how he played it, though I personally think he brought an interesting element of gameplay that is rarely seen on the UK version.

[rusticgal]

He's a bad winner because he was boring, treated some of his fellow housemates awfully, didn't need to win and didn't even like the show.


How did he treat other housemates awfully?....an example would be nice. I would really like to know.

He wasn't boring because he got talked about on here an awful lot...:hehe:

Just because he doesnt need the money doesn't mean he doesn't need to win...:shrug:

He said he had never WATCHED the show...

[Robodog]

I agree with OP (good, thoughtful thread btw)

I really liked Jason at first and for much of the show. I think he is probably a decent guy but my opinion of him as a BB HM went downhill over the last few weeks and while i still like him, i agree he was/is not worthy winner material. Here are my reasons:

1. Did very little. Sat out in the garden like a sulky rock. So many times this series other HMs have tried to converse with him and gives nothing back, like talking to a brick wall.

2. He took himself WAY too seriously. I can't remember ever seeing a HM take themselves so seriously as Jason. Anytime he was nominated or chosen in a task (eg - lateysha choosing him as biggest game player) he took it far too personally and became sulky. He was really intimidating to Jackson when Jacko nominated him. Never once did Jason take a step back and see it in perspective as 'all in the game'.

3. No lightness. Way too heavy, like a lead weight around the house and the series. A buzz killer if you like. He sat there brooding with little joy coming from him. The only time he laughed was when Hughie fell in the pool. I wish we'd seen more happy Jason then he'd have been a more deserving winner.

4. The staring look in his eyes. You can see and feel the repressed anger behind him. Uncomfortable to watch. No surprise when he exploded and smashed the BB doors.

5. The whole 'shock' story of him and Charlie who 'just happened' to both apply for BB at the same time without ANY IDEA that the other one was also going to be on the show, even though they were both still half-seeing each other for the months leading up to BB - i don't buy that story one bit.

So overall, moody, silent, a bit dodgy, not a great winner in my book. But there seems to be a decent guy in there too, just not a great all round BB character. Winners ideally need to do more to 'deserve' the win IMO. All round characters who reveal themselves in all their good and bad colours and who have a journey in the house, they are the best winners. Jason revealed very little of himself, he treated BB like he was at work, watching the clock, sitting it out, biting his tongue and waiting to collect the cash. Not great TV.

Jason is like Sam Evans. Someone who did very little in the house and won more out of sympathy then entertainment and effort. Such is life in the BB world. Takes all sorts.

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[Lush]

I agree with OP (good, thoughtful thread btw)

I really liked Jason at first and for much of the show. I think he is probably a decent guy but my opinion of him as a BB HM went downhill over the last few weeks and while i still like him, i agree he was/is not worthy winner material. Here are my reasons:

1. Did very little. Sat out in the garden like a sulky rock. So many times this series other HMs have tried to converse with him and gives nothing back, like talking to a brick wall.

2. He took himself WAY too seriously. I can't remember ever seeing a HM take themselves so seriously as Jason. Anytime he was nominated or chosen in a task (eg - lateysha choosing him as biggest game player) he took it far too personally and became sulky. He was really intimidating to Jackson when Jacko nominated him. Never once did Jason take a step back and see it in perspective as 'all in the game'.

3. No lightness. Way too heavy, like a lead weight around the house and the series. A buzz killer if you like. He sat there brooding with little joy coming from him. The only time he laughed was when Hughie fell in the pool. I wish we'd seen more happy Jason then he'd have been a more deserving winner.

4. The staring look in his eyes. You can see and feel the repressed anger behind him. Uncomfortable to watch. No surprise when he exploded and smashed the BB doors.

5. The whole 'shock' story of him and Charlie who 'just happened' to both apply for BB at the same time without ANY IDEA that the other one was also going to be on the show, even though they were both still half-seeing each other for the months leading up to BB - i don't buy that story one bit.

So overall, moody, silent, a bit dodgy, not a great winner in my book. But there seems to be a decent guy in there too, just not a great all round BB character. Winners ideally need to do more to 'deserve' the win IMO. All round characters who reveal themselves in all their good and bad colours and who have a journey in the house, they are the best winners. Jason revealed very little of himself, he treated BB like he was at work, watching the clock, sitting it out, biting his tongue and waiting to collect the cash. Not great TV.

Jason is like Sam Evans. Someone who did very little in the house and won more out of sympathy then entertainment and effort. Such is life in the BB world. Takes all sorts.

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Agreed with all of this.

He also needed the help of Charlie, Lateysha and Ryan to do anything that was remotely memorable, and ultimately these three housemates in particular won it for him. He didn't win it off his own merits.

[omgwtf]

Before I start this, I want people to know that I am NOT bitter about Hughie not winning. That's not my issue at all. I also have no issue if any of you thought Jason deserved that win. With that said I want to freely give my say on this.

Jason for me, is one of the worst winners ever, and taints what would've been an amazing season. The main reason I think this is because he basically didn't do much and then did sudden randomly really important things every now and again. His personality itself was very uninteresting due to his lack of emotions and he was usually found to be interesting when he relied on interactions with others, such as Lateysha or Charlie or even Andy. He was never interesting on his own. He got all this sympathy for BB "provoking" him but I was not even feeling bad. If he really wanted to leave then he should've just went out the fire exit.

I don't mind game players (see Nasty Nick and Dexter), but Jason was not only an unlikable one, but an uninteresting one. He was unlikable because he repeatedly kept painting himself as this really nice guy when in actuality he was a game player. This technically isn't a bad thing on paper, but when you take Charlie into account, it really makes him hateable for me. If he was really a game player this whole time, then he used a vulnerable woman's emotions to make himself look better. So it's more of a slimy gameplayer rather than a likable one. Then he was uninteresting because his personality just does not fit the "game player" stigma. He's too reserved, he's too emotionless, and he didn't do anything besides random game changing moves, like nominating Charlie (she wouldn't have been up for eviction if he hadn't nominated her), evicting Lateysha, and then breaking down equipment to get sympathy, intentionally or not. He's just not a nice guy like he keeps saying. He may have deserved to rank high, but I really don't think unlikeable behaviour should be rewarded. He did not even get a warning for his damaging of equipment.

Even if Hughie had lost against, say, Jackson for example, I wouldn't mind. As much as I dislike Jackson he stood out much more than Jason so if he won over Hughie, I'd be much less mad. I could even say the same on Jayne, Evelyn, and Andy, regardless of my opinions on any of them.

It's perfectly fine if any of you thought he was a good winner. But I thought he was just a terrible one, plain and simple.

Don't have much to say about your comments other than to point out Nick wasn't a game player, he was a cheater, hence he was removed.

[Robodog]

Agreed with all of this.

He also needed the help of Charlie, Lateysha and Ryan to do anything that was remotely memorable, and ultimately these three housemates in particular won it for him. He didn't win it off his own merits.

Very true. Like the story of the Chinese New Year Animals, They all swam across the river but the Rat was cunning, he sat on the Ox's shoulders and let the Ox swim across, letting Ox do all the work. Then at the last minute, Rat jumped off the Ox's shoulders and into first place.

The Jasons/Sams of BB ride across the river on the backs of entertaining HMs then leap into first place at the last minute. Like Rat, they need others to get them to the finishing line.

ps - love that you chose Jayne and Tiffany for your BB faves - me too !

[Kazanne]

Agreed with all of this.

He also needed the help of Charlie, Lateysha and Ryan to do anything that was remotely memorable, and ultimately these three housemates in particular won it for him. He didn't win it off his own merits.

You keep telling yourself that if it makes your loss feel better:pat:

[Kazanne]

Very true. Like the story of the Chinese New Year Animals, They all swam across the river but the Rat was cunning, he sat on the Ox's shoulders and let the Ox swim across, letting Ox do all the work. Then at the last minute, Rat jumped off the Ox's shoulders and into first place.

The Jasons/Sams of BB ride across the river on the backs of entertaining HMs then leap into first place at the last minute. Like Rat, they need others to get them to the finishing line.

ps - love that you chose Jayne and Tiffany for your BB faves - me too !

All the housemates bounce off each other it's the same every year,none of them would be noticeable without the others, no of them made him win his fans did.

[dyfed]

Well if you read it, it does say IMO.LOL

Not worth it kaz..sore losers comes to mind,he won get over it...:dance::dance:

[Kazanne]

Not worth it kaz..sore losers comes to mind,he won get over it...:dance::dance:

True,the victory is sweet:wavey:

[chuff me dizzy]

Before I start this, I want people to know that I am NOT bitter about Hughie not winning. That's not my issue at all. I also have no issue if any of you thought Jason deserved that win. With that said I want to freely give my say on this.

Jason for me, is one of the worst winners ever, and taints what would've been an amazing season. The main reason I think this is because he basically didn't do much and then did sudden randomly really important things every now and again. His personality itself was very uninteresting due to his lack of emotions and he was usually found to be interesting when he relied on interactions with others, such as Lateysha or Charlie or even Andy. He was never interesting on his own. He got all this sympathy for BB "provoking" him but I was not even feeling bad. If he really wanted to leave then he should've just went out the fire exit.

I don't mind game players (see Nasty Nick and Dexter), but Jason was not only an unlikable one, but an uninteresting one. He was unlikable because he repeatedly kept painting himself as this really nice guy when in actuality he was a game player. This technically isn't a bad thing on paper, but when you take Charlie into account, it really makes him hateable for me. If he was really a game player this whole time, then he used a vulnerable woman's emotions to make himself look better. So it's more of a slimy gameplayer rather than a likable one. Then he was uninteresting because his personality just does not fit the "game player" stigma. He's too reserved, he's too emotionless, and he didn't do anything besides random game changing moves, like nominating Charlie (she wouldn't have been up for eviction if he hadn't nominated her), evicting Lateysha, and then breaking down equipment to get sympathy, intentionally or not. He's just not a nice guy like he keeps saying. He may have deserved to rank high, but I really don't think unlikeable behaviour should be rewarded. He did not even get a warning for his damaging of equipment.

Even if Hughie had lost against, say, Jackson for example, I wouldn't mind. As much as I dislike Jackson he stood out much more than Jason so if he won over Hughie, I'd be much less mad. I could even say the same on Jayne, Evelyn, and Andy, regardless of my opinions on any of them.

It's perfectly fine if any of you thought he was a good winner. But I thought he was just a terrible one, plain and simple.

Enough people liked him to pick up the phone and vote for him ,Did you vote for your fav ?

[Robodog]

Not worth it kaz..sore losers comes to mind,he won get over it...:dance::dance:

No sore losers here. I personally am not bothered whether he or anyone else won, we are just analysing BB HMs, that's what happens on a BB forum, get over it :dance::dance:

[BB247]

He may not have a big personality....but he had a good heart. If BB hadn't try to test him then they did him a favour.
Charlie was no vulnerable woman ffs...she's hard as nails. She treated him like **** when they were together (she said that herself) and she no doubt took advantage of his nice nature. Charlie is the sort of woman who needs to be treated mean to keep them keen....I bet Jason was a walkover to her and now she hasn't got him keeping her in a lifestyle to which she became accustomed for several months...she now realises she messed up big time.

Jason's a great and worthy winner...he wasn't nasty to anyone. So he evicted Lateysha...so what if he nominated Charlie...he had his reasons like we all have reasons for what we do and choices we make.

Well done Jason...smashing bloke.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Epic.]

Enough people liked him to pick up the phone and vote for him ,Did you vote for your fav ?

Couldn't cause UK foolishly doesn't let Irish people vote. Never got how BB, and even I'm a Celebrity or the X Factor, DON'T let the irish vote. Would you not get more money from that?

[Kazanne]

No sore losers here. I personally am not bothered whether he or anyone else won, we are just analysing BB HMs, that's what happens on a BB forum, get over it :dance::dance:

Nothing to analyse ,some liked him ,some didn't,obviously more did.

[Vanessa]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1614071/sour-face-o.gif

[chuff me dizzy]

Couldn't cause UK foolishly doesn't let Irish people vote. Never got how BB, and even I'm a Celebrity or the X Factor, DON'T let the irish vote. Would you not get more money from that?

Thats not Jasons fault is it ? lots on here moaning about his great win,but I would like to bet hardly any of the ones moaning bothered to vote for their fav ,Jason had good supporters who cared enough to pick up the phone and vote, its the same every series

[Vanessa]

Thats not Jasons fault is it ? lots on here moaning about his great win,but I would like to bet hardly any of the ones moaning bothered to vote for their fav ,Jason had good supporters who cared enough to pick up the phone and vote, its the same every series

:clap2:

[hot2go]

He got rid of Lateysha, for me that's my winner.....I wouldn't of cared if he spent the remainder of his time afterwards sat on the back of the Zebra staring into space...
No chav in first place for a change...,hallelujah

[Lush]

Very true. Like the story of the Chinese New Year Animals, They all swam across the river but the Rat was cunning, he sat on the Ox's shoulders and let the Ox swim across, letting Ox do all the work. Then at the last minute, Rat jumped off the Ox's shoulders and into first place.

The Jasons/Sams of BB ride across the river on the backs of entertaining HMs then leap into first place at the last minute. Like Rat, they need others to get them to the finishing line.

ps - love that you chose Jayne and Tiffany for your BB faves - me too !
This is a great analogy actually. Sums up Jason's time in the house perfectly.

And yesss, two queens! :lovedup:

[chuff me dizzy]

He got rid of Lateysha, for me that's my winner.....I wouldn't of cared if he spent the remainder of his time afterwards sat on the back of the Zebra staring into space...
No chav in first place for a change...,hallelujah

He deserved to win it on that alone ,my fav thing of the entire series, sod Hughie getting pissed and falling in the pool :bored: Sod Jayne childish diary room rants :bored: Sod Ryan and Hughie eating each others faces off :bored: Sod Laura /Marco having sex on tv :bored: Lets watch a real man destroy his enemy and make the show watchable in one press of a buzzer

[Pete.]

What's done is done. Upon reflection Jason winning bears no relevance to how amazing this series was so I don't really care anymore

[Raph]

Well said :clap1:

In my opinion he is the worst winner the show has ever had

[Robodog]

What's done is done. Upon reflection Jason winning bears no relevance to how amazing this series was so I don't really care anymore

Yes often the winner does not reflect the series.

In some series the most overall entertaining HM wins, such as Brian in BB2 or Josie in BB11

Sometimes the series' best HMs don't even make the final such as Jon Tickle in BB4 or Marcus in BB10

[Tom4784]

That is your opinion not mine,ALL the housemates carry each other to an extent ,I don't think the other housemates were better than Jason , Jason,Andy,Jayne,Jackson, and Alex were all decent housemates,they were not always selfish two faced and nasty,I have no time for people like that,it's not entertaining for me.

Yes, it is an opinion. Thank you for stating the obvious.

[LukeB]

What's done is done. Upon reflection Jason winning bears no relevance to how amazing this series was so I don't really care anymore

Yeah this! I'm not bothered anymore. We'e had worst imo but meh

[Xtopher]

Look at all these bitter people.

[Vanessa]

Look at all these bitter people.

This! Sour grapes :joker:

[Pete.]

Look at all these bitter people.

Tbf not everyone liked Jason and they are entitled not to be happy :laugh:

[tanussa]

Think that's a matter of opinion lol.

it was the opinion of all those who made him the winner, which apparently was a majority

[Epic.]

Look at all these bitter people.

I'm not being bitter. I said straight away I don't mind if you liked Jason winning. If it was a 0.5% vote and all, then yeah, it makes sense if 50% of the fanbase like this. I'm not stopping the past, even as much as I would want to since I hate Jason, but I'm just offering my opinion on why he as an individual is a very poor winner.

[Robodog]

Look at all these bitter people.

I see no bitterness on this thread, just analysis

No one here hates Jason or begrudges his victory, but there is plenty to analyse about him as a BB winner, from an outsider POV

Maybe shades of grey are too complicated for such basic black-and-white thinking and it's easier to simply pigeon-hole people who aren't fawning over Jason as 'bitter', rather than make the effort to read their posts properly and see that they are just making objective points, taking in both the good and the bad about him.

[Ant.]

He's a bad winner because he was boring, treated some of his fellow housemates awfully, didn't need to win and didn't even like the show.

tbh

(I mean Im not even that bothered, he's like, the second best winner we've had on C5)

[armand.kay]

it was the opinion of all those who made him the winner, which apparently was a majority

Ok still an opinion mans I doubt every single person who voted for Jason to win think the same...

[Macie Lightfoot]

Nobody hated Jason until he got rid of Lateysha and she wasn't even that good anyway? And sure Jason ~played da game~ but like, so did Lateysha. So did Hughie. So did Jackson.

IDK, I just don't see how this is anything to get worked up about. We've had some better winners but we've also had plenty of worse ones.

[Maru]

My only issue with Jason as a winner is that I don't really feel like I know him. Like you said, he was reserved, and he held back a lot of his true self. So even if people like the Jason that they saw and voted for him based on that, I can't help but feel that his wariness of showing his true self kind of goes against what BB is about. And would he have won if he'd showed it?
Any of the housemates who were evicted because people didn't like 'x' about them, could have just hidden that particular flaw and possibly gone on to win. And surely voting a winner who has openly stated he's hiding certain aspects of his personality, is possibly going to effect how future contestants might behave/how much of themselves they show.
I liked Jason, but I wouldn't have voted for him to win based on all of that.

Personally, this is why I removed him my top fave to win list after he evicted Lateysha. You and I are on the same exact page, same paragraph on general impressions. I didn't understand it and though I still felt he was a good guy, I had no idea who he was even after that point and that for me goes against what the game is supposed to be about. I was not satisfied to just vote for a generally introverted/brutal gameplayer who has evil conversations with the dark villain slash logic magician Andy. I had hoped "he would've come out in a bigger way by now" I thought...

All that said...

Jason's winning is symbolic in this case because contrary to voting for a player based on a "winning personality", people voted for him based on a "winning strategy" (which his fans argue have a lot to do with he actually thinks and does as a person).

His win almost certainly stands out in an era of untimely accidents (such as Donald Trump's popularity) and referendums such as Brexit where people dare to buck the trend, maybe even dream and not just default to the most socially acceptable answer(s).

However I may feel personally about such developments, I'm actually thrilled, because it give us all hope that when the next BB rolls around, our "unlikely" favorites who we usually feel can't win against certain crowds could possibly rise up and come out over the top and even possibly win. In addition to this, we had our first boot being a male for the very first time.

If you ask me, these are all signs that BB is moving in a direction for the better, not for worse.

My two cents.

[Jamie89]

Personally, this is why I removed him my top fave to win list after he evicted Lateysha. You and I are on the same exact page, same paragraph on general impressions. I didn't understand it and though I still felt he was a good guy, I had no idea who he was even after that point and that for me goes against what the game is supposed to be about. I was not satisfied to just vote for a generally introverted/brutal gameplayer who has evil conversations with the dark villain slash logic magician Andy. I had hoped "he would've come out in a bigger way by now" I thought...

All that said...

Jason's winning is symbolic in this case because contrary to voting for a player based on a "winning personality", people voted for him based on a "winning strategy" (which his fans argue have a lot to do with he actually thinks and does as a person).

His win almost certainly stands out in an era of untimely accidents (such as Donald Trump's popularity) and referendums such as Brexit where people dare to buck the trend, maybe even dream and not just default to the most socially acceptable answer(s).

However I may feel personally about such developments, I'm actually thrilled, because it give us all hope that when the next BB rolls around, our "unlikely" favorites who we usually feel can't win against certain crowds could possibly rise up and come out over the top and even possibly win. In addition to this, we had our first boot being a male for the very first time.

If you ask me, these are all signs that BB is moving in a direction for the better, not for worse.

My two cents.
Wow, great post Maru! :worship:

[Lostie!]

Nobody hated Jason until he got rid of Lateysha and she wasn't even that good anyway? And sure Jason ~played da game~ but like, so did Lateysha. So did Hughie. So did Jackson.

IDK, I just don't see how this is anything to get worked up about. We've had some better winners but we've also had plenty of worse ones.

The anti-Jason sentiment seemed to really start the week before (the week Charlie left) because she had sort of a cult status on here so he was blamed for everything bad that happened between them and then it just got more widespread after he dared to evict Lateysha but yeah I fully agree with this sentiment. It's one of the most random vilifications of a housemate I can recall.

[starry]

Before I start this, I want people to know that I am NOT bitter about Hughie not winning.

Hughie IS bitter, lol

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/big-brother/news/a802783/big-brother-hughie-thinks-lateysha-more-deserving-than-jason/

No surprise to anyone who followed the series closely, he was so tied to that shallow group.

[rusticgal]

Hughie IS bitter, lol

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/big-brother/news/a802783/big-brother-hughie-thinks-lateysha-more-deserving-than-jason/

No surprise to anyone who followed the series closely, he was so tied to that shallow group.



Oh dear....never mind it's all over now...and they lost :shrug:

[Kazanne]

Jesus look at fag ash Lil lighting up her fag,LOL classy

[Ant.]

Hughie IS bitter, lol

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/big-brother/news/a802783/big-brother-hughie-thinks-lateysha-more-deserving-than-jason/

No surprise to anyone who followed the series closely, he was so tied to that shallow group.

ok I'm glad I stopped stanning Hughie mid-series now after he said that

[rusticgal]

He was also aggressive, grumpy and two-faced.
He should have been removed from the house for damaging cameras and fittings, no question. He received a favourable edit for the last couple of weeks of the show, which was awful to see.


How many of them damaged the fire escape doors without any sign of a fire?...nobody called them aggressive thugs and asked for their removal..:shrug:

[Jamie89]

Hughie IS bitter, lol

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/big-brother/news/a802783/big-brother-hughie-thinks-lateysha-more-deserving-than-jason/

No surprise to anyone who followed the series closely, he was so tied to that shallow group.

He also says he's happy for Jason... and "He won it fair and square at the end of the day - there's not any kind of bitterness or any grudges I'm going to carry on, but I just think there's others like Alex, Ryan, Jackson, Lateysha."

I don't think he's bitter, he's just Hughie :laugh: he can't help but speak without thinking what he's saying, and saying what he's feeling because he's a very open person.
In his opinion there would have been better winners but that doesn't mean he's bitter about Jason winning (I also think there would have been better winners but I still like Jason and don't mind that he won).
People seem to be calling out bitterness a lot when actually it's just someone expressing an opinion, or debating the winners merit. You can hold the opinion that someone else would have been a better winner (whilst even being happy for Jason winning), without being bitter :shrug:

[y.winter]

He added: "Maybe his dad and his friends have a £10,000 phone bill. I don't understand."

Oh, you didn't just say that...
http://i.imgur.com/aXnGXJR.gif

[Ammi]

..I doubt that Hughie has any bitterness, I doubt that many of the housemates have..it's all just more that they're echoing things that have been said on the outside and to get a little bit of income from their stories...that's largely why their times in there anyway..to 'raise profiles' etc and this is their highest income time when they've just left the house...it would be nice to think that they held onto their own thoughts about housemates because they know them best..'their worthiness' as it were..we've only had a very small amount of highlight from them all and very much 'slanted' to what BB want us to see...so it would be nice if they kept true to their own thoughts of the people they've come to know but well...it's showbiz baby and this is all part of their experience as well....

[Ammi]

..really, the 'smart' ones and the 'worthy' ones are the ones who can make the most out of it all now as well, in terms of their own advancement in what they want to achieve and pursue...

[calyman]

A good and decent man won the show, so what's the problem. True, he was not "entertaining" in that childish immature fashion so well exemplified by the the tedious antics of the other chancers who were the real game players/two faced/hypocrites and bullies. I hope the series is starting to grow up and there will be more real people like Andy and Jason in future shows. Do we really need to endure self obsessed entitled wastes of space like Lateysha and co?

[Cowhead]

Think that's a matter of opinion lol.
This whole thread is opinions. IMO Hughie sucked and should have been one of the first evicted. Jason and Andy and Jackson were my picks to win almost from day one.

[Kazanne]

A good and decent man won the show, so what's the problem. True, he was not "entertaining" in that childish immature fashion so well exemplified by the the tedious antics of the other chancers who were the real game players/two faced/hypocrites and bullies. I hope the series is starting to grow up and there will be more real people like Andy and Jason in future shows. Do we really need to endure self obsessed entitled wastes of space like Lateysha and co?

No more needs to be said.:clap1::clap1::clap1: Not everyone is entertained by immature actions.:wavey:

[y.winter]

A good and decent man won the show, so what's the problem. True, he was not "entertaining" in that childish immature fashion so well exemplified by the the tedious antics of the other chancers who were the real game players/two faced/hypocrites and bullies. I hope the series is starting to grow up and there will be more real people like Andy and Jason in future shows. Do we really need to endure self obsessed entitled wastes of space like Lateysha and co?

This.
These days not being loud and part of the mainstream is called playing a game, when it's actually how people behave in the real world.

[JTM45]

Nikki Grahame had his card marked weeks ago. People should have listened!

Nikki Grahame is an overrated ****ing idiot who's being performing the same three or four 'trademark' gurns, tantrums and 'catchphrases' since the first hour she entered the BB house originally.
I'd be surprised and disappointed if anyone had listened to her!

If you're a female who's even vaguely attractive or a male who she isn't swooning over then she hates you.

The worst kind of BB 'celebrity' that the show has ever spawned, in my opinion.