France : bans Burkinis on Beaches : now the courts overturn that

[arista]

Well Done Mayor Of Cannes

Just Live on CNN HD money hour with Maggie Lake




Its the Full Body clothing
http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article8155724.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/Young-woman-wearing-burkini-sitting-by-the-beach-in-dubai.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/women/2016/03/22/burkini_1683808a-large_trans++qVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfNLcWatHis1V_3CK t3MGAY.jpg

The mayor of Cannes has banned the wearing of burkinis - full-body swimsuits - on the beaches of the French Riviera resort famous for its annual film festival, officials said on Thursday.

Mayor David Lisnard signed off on the ruling that "access to beaches and for swimming is banned to anyone who does not have (bathing apparel) which respects good customs and secularism", which is a founding principle of the French republic.

"Beachwear which ostentatiously displays religious affiliation, when France and places of worship are currently the target of terrorist attacks, is liable to create risks of disrupting public order (crowds, scuffles etc) which it is necessary to prevent," it says.

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:clap1: clamp down on superstition and sexism

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/11/burkinis-banned-on-cannes-riviera-beaches-by-french-mayor/

Full burqa and niqab ban
France, since 2004
Belgium, since 2011
Chad, since 2015
Cameroon, in five provinces, since 2015
Diffa, Niger, since 2015
Brazaville, Congo, since 2015
Tessin, Switzerland, since 2016
Partial burqa and niqab ban
The Netherlands: women cannot have their faces covered in schools, hospital and on public transport
The Italian town of Novara: women were told to stop wearing a full veil in 2010, but there is no established fines system
Parts of Catalonia, Spain: The country's Supreme Court ruled against a ban in some areas in 2013, however those areas which brought their cases to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) have continued with the ban - supported by an ECHR ruling in their favour in 2014
Turkey: a full ban was abandoned in 2013. Now, women are only barred if they work in the judiciary, military and police


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[Shaun]

Nothing quite beats oppression like...uh...banning clothes that people choose to wear... after all... :crazy:

[Firewire]

Such a bad decision

Also it's not a "Burk-" if the face is showing

[JoshBB]

Yeah sorry, no. Burkhas being banned was oppression, although they were able to spin it for security reasons. I'd like to know how they can spin this as being bad for security?

[Denver]

UK next please

[user104658]

....... What may at first appear to be a Muslim lady in beachwear may upon closer inspection often turn out to be an explosive device constructed using spent nuclear material - a "dirty bomb" colloquially - with a face drawn on it. You can't be too careful, not with all of this immigration going on everywhere.

[Cherie]

Bad move, people should be able to wear swimwear of their choice, I'd rather they banned men of a certain age wearing budgie smugglers if they are going down the banning route

[kirklancaster]

Bad move, people should be able to wear swimwear of their choice, I'd rather they banned men of a certain age wearing budgie smugglers if they are going down the banning route

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: LOL - I've NEVER heard that term before. Classic.

[Kizzy]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/women/2016/03/22/burkini_1683808a-large_trans++qVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfNLcWatHis1V_3CK t3MGAY.jpg

Isn't this a bit of a 'look at me' pose? Doesn't that like defeat the object ? :/

[Cherie]

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: LOL - I've NEVER heard that term before. Classic.

Really :joker:

http://budgysmuggler.com.au

[kirklancaster]

Really :joker:

http://budgysmuggler.com.au

:laugh: I have led a sheltered life. :hee: I'll tell you what also amused me Cherie when I followed your link; the location:

Budgy Smuggler
Mailing Address -
7/7A Wentworth Street
Manly, 2095
budgy@budgysmuggler.com.au
+61 404 026 836,

MANLY - Budgie Smuggler. :joker:

[Livia]

I couldn't wear a tiny bikini in Saudi Arabia. No one's worrying about my oppression.

France is a secular country, they call the rules. You don't like it? There are plenty of Islamic countries that would welcome you in.

[jennyjuniper]

I couldn't wear a tiny bikini in Saudi Arabia. No one's worrying about my oppression.

France is a secular country, they call the rules. You don't like it? There are plenty of Islamic countries that would welcome you in.

Well said.:thumbs::

[Cherie]

:laugh: I have led a sheltered life. :hee: I'll tell you what also amused me Cherie when I followed your link; the location:

Budgy Smuggler
Mailing Address -
7/7A Wentworth Street
Manly, 2095
budgy@budgysmuggler.com.au
+61 404 026 836,

MANLY - Budgie Smuggler. :joker:

:joker:

[Tom4784]

A hypocritical move, as long as their faces aren't covered I don't see the issue. It stinks of an attempt at 'revenge' for the attacks in all honesty. Blaming muslims in general for the actions of a very extreme minority.

[lostalex]

why can't they just wear a wetsuit and a swim cap if they want? why are the muslims so intent on having a "burkini"? lots of fat people don't want to take of their shirts and they just wear a t-shirt while swimming, no big deal.

I think some muslims all try to dress alike because they know it intimidates some people, they want to segregate themselves, especially because the muslim men think the worst thing in the world is if a muslim girl meets a normal boy, and heaven forbid their daughters have a relationship with the french infidel scum, that would be the worst thing in the world.

The muslims are trying to paint it as bigotry against them when in fact it's THEIR bigotry of trying to segregate themselves from the french that is the real problem. Why are they so scared of muslim women having french men flirt with them? what is wrong with a french man appreciating and flirting with a muslim woman? nothing.

I definitely understand why the French are offended by a group of immigrants trying to segregate themselves from French society. if they are so offended by French society then why are they in France??

[Crimson Dynamo]

i prefer the other one

[arista]

i prefer the other one


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/11/burkinis-banned-on-cannes-riviera-beaches-by-french-mayor/

[arista]

A 2nd place now has the Same Ban

Burkini Ban: Villeneuve-Loubet Follows Cannes In Banning Full-Body Swimsuits

http://news.sky.com/story/burkini-ban-villeneuve-loubet-follows-cannes-in-banning-full-body-swimsuits-10534164

http://e3.365dm.com/16/08/206x116/dd3c76375a0ba312092b4542628851083a82c7ab2cae876f64 41568506fee685_3763665.jpg?20160813130926


Good on Them

[Liberty4eva]

I'm not a fan of Islam but a part of me is irked when government tells citizens what they can or can't wear. This is the first time I have heard of "burkinis". My first reaction to it was to laugh. At least you can see her face. :laugh: They might be useful for people with sensitive skin who don't want a tan. :shrug:

[Ammi]

..I've only ever seen one person wearing a burkini (I didn't know they were called that..) on the beach at Cannes and at it's busiest high season as well so this seems like an unnecessary thing to do..?...I mean quite a hostile thing against the Muslim community....

[bots]

would someone be banned for wearing a batman outfit too? Interesting once a precedent has been set

[arista]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/women/2016/03/22/burkini_1683808a-large_trans++qVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfNLcWatHis1V_3CK t3MGAY.jpg

Isn't this a bit of a 'look at me' pose? Doesn't that like defeat the object ? :/


Yes it was to help "Sell them"
years back.


They can still be used on UK beaches
so they can sell in the UK and Arab nations
no trouble.

[arista]

..I've only ever seen one person wearing a burkini (I didn't know they were called that..) on the beach at Cannes and at it's busiest high season as well so this seems like an unnecessary thing to do..?...I mean quite a hostile thing against the Muslim community....



No Ammi
you are wrong
Evil Isis Terrorists have had many Machine Gun attacks
in France.

So I back this 100%


Also last year at the Film
Event in Cannes a Commercial Company used these clothes,
no more.

Obey the Law Of The Land
or Leave
I say.

[arista]

UK next please


No a UK Cook Lady needs them
for when she is on the beach and
she is not a Muslim.
But her husband has beat her up
a few times

[Ammi]

No Ammi
you are wrong
Evil Isis Terrorists have had many Machine Gun attacks
in France.

So I back this 100%


Also last year at the Film
Event in Cannes a Commercial Company used these clothes,
no more.

Obey the Law Of The Land
or Leave
I say.


..I'm not really sure what that has to do with Muslim females wearing burkinis on a beach, Arista..(the appropriate place to wear them..)..I have seen many females in bikinis (and on Cannes beach as well..) wearing crucifix chains around their necks and ankles, is that not also 'imposing religious beliefs' an should also be banned..?..it's basically banning Muslim females themselves as that's the appropriate beach-wear for their culture and religion...but not banning Muslim males though if they're wearing swim-shorts, how bizarre and silly....anyways, I'm off to start my day so you have a good day sir..:love:...

[Northern Monkey]

why can't they just wear a wetsuit and a swim cap if they want? why are the muslims so intent on having a "burkini"? lots of fat people don't want to take of their shirts and they just wear a t-shirt while swimming, no big deal.

I think some muslims all try to dress alike because they know it intimidates some people, they want to segregate themselves, especially because the muslim men think the worst thing in the world is if a muslim girl meets a normal boy, and heaven forbid their daughters have a relationship with the french infidel scum, that would be the worst thing in the world.

The muslims are trying to paint it as bigotry against them when in fact it's THEIR bigotry of trying to segregate themselves from the french that is the real problem. Why are they so scared of muslim women having french men flirt with them? what is wrong with a french man appreciating and flirting with a muslim woman? nothing.

I definitely understand why the French are offended by a group of immigrants trying to segregate themselves from French society. if they are so offended by French society then why are they in France??:clap1: well said

[arista]

"I'm not really sure what that has to do with Muslim females wearing burkinis"


Terrorists would use them
to get close to public
then from a pink bag Pull out
a Deadly Machine Gun.


Now these 2 beaches are within
their rights to Ban them


Obey The Law of The Land

[arista]

"basically banning Muslim females "

a Terrorist male could also wear one
to be fair , Ammi

[Ammi]

"basically banning Muslim females "

a Terrorist male could also wear one
to be fair , Ammi

...not really, Arista because they're designed for female wear in the same way as bikinis are so the ban is only prohibiting females to wear something that protects their modesty while they're swimming and enjoying their time on the beach, which is essentially banning any Muslim females if they want to adhere to their religion and culture in their appropriate dress...that really can't not be a hostile act and a hostile decision etc...the reason given is of it being 'inappropriate to impose religious beliefs...'...so what's inappropriate..?..suppression of females in a religion and culture..?...and the solution to that is to instil a ban on those females..?...it really is the most weird thinking and extremely hostile..and also targeting Muslim females because things like wearing crucifixes on the beaches isn't being also banned...


..if it's going to be assumed that any Muslim female wearing clothing that she feels comfortable with to protect her modesty is a potential terrorist and is wearing it to 'mask' something sinister so the solution is to ban..then it not only bans the clothing but the female herself...and also worryingly going down the 'Trump route' of let's 'tag them all' and be done with it because let's suspect every Muslim that we see around us...

[bots]

I think this ban needs to be viewed in the wider context applicable in France where all forms of cover such as burkas etc are banned in public places. Given that, it doesn't seem an unusual move to me :shrug:

[Ammi]

..when it comes down to it though..(and the worrying and sad thing for me..)...is that we're moving away from many positive progressions and moving back to intolerances with these bans which are essentially prejudice and moving away from multi-cultural in our societies...and that's very sad and very wrong and very insular..we scream and we shout about 'human rights and it's our right to..'...and then say 'no it's understandible' or etc and tolerate too easily and too readily things like this...

[bots]

..when it comes down to it though..(and the worrying and sad thing for me..)...is that we're moving away from many positive progressions and moving back to intolerances with these bans which are essentially prejudice and moving away from multi-cultural in our societies...and that's very sad and very wrong and very insular..we scream and we shout about 'human rights and it's our right to..'...and then say 'no it's understandible' or etc and tolerate too easily and too readily things like this...

I think the only genuine reason for the bans is masking of identity, like at airports etc. While I understand the concern over encroachment into peoples liberties, that liberty can't be used as a method of evading or masking oneself from the law. There are limits.

[Ammi]

I think the only genuine reason for the bans is masking of identity, like at airports etc. While I understand the concern over encroachment into peoples liberties, that liberty can't be used as a method of evading or masking oneself from the law. There are limits.

..that's it though bitontheslide...the ban is hostile in assuming that there would be 'sinister' in some way attached to an appropriate clothing for an individual so let's just not have it at all and that's prejudicing and it doesn't mask an identity anyway because there is no face covering with a burkini...I mean it doesn't really matter which way we spin it or try to find a justification because that same justification wouldn't be found for a none Muslim, I don't think...then it would be more 'how very and absolutely dare you, our human rights, don't ya know...:fist:.'....

[arista]

Another Beach Zone has banned this Muslim Clothing
so 3 in total so far.

Ref :LBC

[MTVN]

The controversial burkini ban has been overturned France's highest administrative court.

In a ruling, the court said the ban the bans on the full-body burkini swimsuits were 'seriously, and clearly illegally'.

The State Council heard arguments from the Human Rights League and an anti-Islamophobia group which are seeking to reverse a decision by the southern town of Villeneuve-Loubet to ban the Islamic garment.

The ruling will likely to set a precedent for around 30 French towns which have banned the burkini, mostly along the southeast coast.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3759938/France-s-administrative-court-overturns-burkini-ban.html#ixzz4IRfCbXvi
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

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[arista]

yes the Police
will have to leave the women alone

[Ninastar]

One thing I really dont get is that people go crazy over girls being told they should cover up, but are so very happy to defend a religion that forces girls to cover up??? Like wtf?

[Ninastar]

I dont agree with this whole banning of the 'burkini' thing, but I just dont understand how someone can get pissy with someone thinking a girl should be more modest and cover up, but be totally okay with a religion that forces women to be covered head to toe in black...

[smudgie]

You should be able to wear what you want on the beach.
If I donned a skimpy bikini on a French beach they would throw a Burkina at me. Some people are shy, some parents take the kids to the beach fully clothed, what's the differences rea:shrug:l

[Shaun]

I dont agree with this whole banning of the 'burkini' thing, but I just dont understand how someone can get pissy with someone thinking a girl should be more modest and cover up, but be totally okay with a religion that forces women to be covered head to toe in black...

Because the religion doesn't force them to do it at all - it's up to their interpretation of the Quran. I'm sure the more extreme wings of Islam - the sunni people, for example - would enforce it upon women but that's just a sad fact of life until their minds join the 21st century. Forcing them to conform to our ways isn't going to do anything other than encourage the whole West/Muslim divide, and is literally just as authoritarian and dismissive of women's choice as the religion we're supposedly frowning upon. There're plenty of Muslims that dress how the west would consider 'normal' - I don't think I've ever seen anyone in a "Burkini" before this story broke - and telling people how to dress on a beach whilst allowing nudist beaches to exist is just all kinds of idiotic.

[arista]

Yes Shaun
France back to how it was on the beaches.

Just so sad the "last attack"
Muslim Evil Isis Terrorist
who drive a Mega Lorry
down that busy closed street
murdering loads

[lewis111]

Any smart terrorist would surely try to fit in with a crowd rather than wear a Burkini that many people will claim stands out and many (idk why) would be weary around

Surely a better option to hide explosives would be like a long coat or dress or something and I don't see them being banned

This is an attack on Muslim woman and it's so sexist seeing s group of mainly men telling a woman what she can't wear

[_Tom_]

Any smart terrorist would surely try to fit in with a crowd rather than wear a Burkini that many people will claim stands out and many (idk why) would be weary around

Surely a better option to hide explosives would be like a long coat or dress or something and I don't see them being banned

This is an attack on Muslim woman and it's so sexist seeing s group of mainly men telling a woman what she can't wear

Yes, because a long coat wouldn't stand out in 30C+ weather.

And yes, isn't it sexist seeing a group of mainly men telling a woman what she can't wear. :whistle:

[Johnnyuk123]

Everyone should just turn up on the beach dressed as darth vader.

[Ninastar]

Because the religion doesn't force them to do it at all - it's up to their interpretation of the Quran. I'm sure the more extreme wings of Islam - the sunni people, for example - would enforce it upon women but that's just a sad fact of life until their minds join the 21st century. Forcing them to conform to our ways isn't going to do anything other than encourage the whole West/Muslim divide, and is literally just as authoritarian and dismissive of women's choice as the religion we're supposedly frowning upon. There're plenty of Muslims that dress how the west would consider 'normal' - I don't think I've ever seen anyone in a "Burkini" before this story broke - and telling people how to dress on a beach whilst allowing nudist beaches to exist is just all kinds of idiotic.

They might not be 'forced' to wear it, but they are certainly made to feel as though they are disrespecting their man/god if they don't cover up. I understand that a lot of Muslims think that the women of the western world let everything hang out and that its disrespectful and I can sort of see that. But I just don't and will never understand why women feel pressured to wear these ridiculous outfits in (sometimes) crazy hot weather. It's not all that rare... I've seen it plenty of times in the UK and I hate it, its just so wrong to me.

Yeah I get that we can't force these people to conform to our ways. I've always said that about religion. I think what a lot of muslim women need is someone to represent how free they can be, but whilst still being a devout muslim... I met plenty of muslim girls through work, who still had their beliefs, but were allowed to wear whatever they wanted. That made me really happy, I spoke to one of the girls about it and she told me that she didn't agree with girls not being to wear what they wanted either, but her family in afghanistan were ashamed of her family because of it.

I get that a lot of muslim families are happy to conform to a 21st century way of living and thats great. I have total respect for people who are religious and can treat everyone with respect. But there are still a hell of a lot of girls out there who have an absolutely awful way of life, that goes a lot further than wearing robes head to toe in 30+ degree heat. I've helped out in 'muslim' schools and starting from year 3/4, the girls have to go home and help with housework/do homework, and the boys get to go home and play football/do games. I just find it heartbreaking. Its not to say ALL muslim families are like that, but I know from experience that a hell of a lot of them are.

[Ammi]

...ahhh, that's great news, MTVN...:love:...I did wonder about whether it would be legal because I know that in France, all beaches are owned by the public unlike in other European countries, where there can be privately owned/rented parts and so bans could be instilled with them...it's a good decision/it's a right decision, I think because it was essentially banning any Muslim female who wanted to adhere to their religion and culture in their appropriate dress on the beach...'supressing or banning the supressed'../crazy thought process...

[Parmy]

It will cause more harm than good and is nothing but a panic reaction from the stupid French.
Like a terrorists is going to waltz down the beach in one of those ffs.