BEAR Is Suppressing The Other Hm's Real Personalities

[kirklancaster]

The CBB producers have either negligently ALLOWED, or have deliberately ENGINEERED the show's editing to allow, Bear to dominate the show, and either way, the show is now 'trash TV' - 'The Stephen Bear Show' - and a mere sad and pale reflection of its former 'glory'.

As a result of the above, I maintain, that the show would have been FAR MORE entertaining were it not for the toxic presence of the abhorrent Bear, because I believe that his disruptive and antisocial behaviour, has actually INTIMIDATED a lot of the other HM's, and I maintain, that they would have been FAR more entertaining, were it not for their REAL personalities being suppressed by his toxic presence.

And I am talking about SOCIALLY, and MORALLY ACCEPTABLE entertainment, milder though it may be, than the cruel, annoying, abusive, ego-driven infantile and puerile bullying served up monotonously by Bear and Bloor.

I accept that NO ONE can state with any certainty what the show would have been more entertaining without Bear, just as no one can state with any certainty that it would NOT have been - unless they were possessed of a supernatural talent for 'knowing the future' or alternative realities of the present :laugh: - because the future is unknown, but we do HAVE antecedent records of Sam Fox and other HM's on other programmes and shows, where - WITHOUT a bullying inhibitor such as Bear - they have been FAR MORE funny, bubbly, loquacious, and entertaining, so my 'opinion' is supported by historical evidence - unlike any opinions which claim that the show would NOT be more entertaining without Bear.

So, I maintain, that Bear is a malignant and depressingly oppressive character, whose boorish, egotistical, and antisocial bullying tactics ARE intimidating certain of the other HM's, and consequently, he IS suppressing their REAL personalities from coming to the fore.

Get the abominable twat OUT and let the others breathe.

[elliebrew]

spot on OP

[Paula D]

Well said

[smudgie]

The CBB producers have either negligently ALLOWED, or have deliberately ENGINEERED the show's editing to allow, Bear to dominate the show, and either way, the show is now 'trash TV' - 'The Stephen Bear Show' - and a mere sad and pale reflection of its former 'glory'.

As a result of the above, I maintain, that the show would have been FAR MORE entertaining were it not for the toxic presence of the abhorrent Bear, because I believe that his disruptive and antisocial behaviour, has actually INTIMIDATED a lot of the other HM's, and I maintain, that they would have been FAR more entertaining, were it not for their REAL personalities being suppressed by his toxic presence.

And I am talking about SOCIALLY, and MORALLY ACCEPTABLE entertainment, milder though it may be, than the cruel, annoying, abusive, ego-driven infantile and puerile bullying served up monotonously by Bear and Bloor.

I accept that NO ONE can state with any certainty what the show would have been more entertaining without Bear, just as no one can state with any certainty that it would NOT have been - unless they were possessed of a supernatural talent for 'knowing the future' or alternative realities of the present :laugh: - because the future is unknown, but we do HAVE antecedent records of Sam Fox and other HM's on other programmes and shows, where - WITHOUT a bullying inhibitor such as Bear - they have been FAR MORE funny, bubbly, loquacious, and entertaining, so my 'opinion' is supported by historical evidence - unlike any opinions which claim that the show would NOT be more entertaining without Bear.

So, I maintain, that Bear is a malignant and depressingly oppressive character, whose boorish, egotistical, and antisocial bullying tactics ARE intimidating certain of the other HM's, and consequently, he IS suppressing their REAL personalities from coming to the fore.

Get the abominable twat OUT and let the others breathe.


Well said Kirk.
Beartwat knows he can be a complete arse without the fear of the thump he deserves as whoever retaliated would be thrown out.
Slimey yellow coward that he is.

[Withano]

The CBB producers have either negligently ALLOWED, or have deliberately ENGINEERED the show's editing to allow, Bear to dominate the show, and either way, the show is now 'trash TV' - 'The Stephen Bear Show' - and a mere sad and pale reflection of its former 'glory'.

As a result of the above, I maintain, that the show would have been FAR MORE entertaining were it not for the toxic presence of the abhorrent Bear, because I believe that his disruptive and antisocial behaviour, has actually INTIMIDATED a lot of the other HM's, and I maintain, that they would have been FAR more entertaining, were it not for their REAL personalities being suppressed by his toxic presence.

And I am talking about SOCIALLY, and MORALLY ACCEPTABLE entertainment, milder though it may be, than the cruel, annoying, abusive, ego-driven infantile and puerile bullying served up monotonously by Bear and Bloor.

I accept that NO ONE can state with any certainty what the show would have been more entertaining without Bear, just as no one can state with any certainty that it would NOT have been - unless they were possessed of a supernatural talent for 'knowing the future' or alternative realities of the present :laugh: - because the future is unknown, but we do HAVE antecedent records of Sam Fox and other HM's on other programmes and shows, where - WITHOUT a bullying inhibitor such as Bear - they have been FAR MORE funny, bubbly, loquacious, and entertaining, so my 'opinion' is supported by historical evidence - unlike any opinions which claim that the show would NOT be more entertaining without Bear.

So, I maintain, that Bear is a malignant and depressingly oppressive character, whose boorish, egotistical, and antisocial bullying tactics ARE intimidating certain of the other HM's, and consequently, he IS suppressing their REAL personalities from coming to the fore.

Get the abominable twat OUT and let the others breathe.

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[Kizzy]

Rubbish, that's a similar argument to the one against Helen Wood... people have their own minds don't they?
If the remit of the show is to portray how a group of people interact then this is exactly what happens.

[Northern Monkey]

For me the whole cast is crap this year.I said as much on launch night.Bunch of nobodies.It says something when Samantha Fox is the most famous one in there.

[rusticgal]

I used the same word myself on another thread Kirk. I totally agree. The other housemates haven't been able to express themselves or enjoy themselves because Bear has taken every opportunity to ruin and disrupt everything.
It's a shame because it's been a one pillock show...EVERYTHING has revolved around him. Many of the others have retreated into their shell...others have just put up and ignored and Renee has risen to him but has lost herself in the process. He is a bully...I'm sure many would have liked to give him some of his own medicine but they would just pay the price. He teases..he mocks...he intimidates...he bully's.

I'm sick of hearing 'he has made the show'...he hasn't he has ruined it because he has suppressed the other housemates that we haven't had a show.
Last night it was refreshing to come on here and discuss James and Aubrey without having to mention Bear....

[Garfie]

The CBB producers have either negligently ALLOWED, or have deliberately ENGINEERED the show's editing to allow, Bear to dominate the show, and either way, the show is now 'trash TV' - 'The Stephen Bear Show' - and a mere sad and pale reflection of its former 'glory'.

As a result of the above, I maintain, that the show would have been FAR MORE entertaining were it not for the toxic presence of the abhorrent Bear, because I believe that his disruptive and antisocial behaviour, has actually INTIMIDATED a lot of the other HM's, and I maintain, that they would have been FAR more entertaining, were it not for their REAL personalities being suppressed by his toxic presence.

And I am talking about SOCIALLY, and MORALLY ACCEPTABLE entertainment, milder though it may be, than the cruel, annoying, abusive, ego-driven infantile and puerile bullying served up monotonously by Bear and Bloor.

I accept that NO ONE can state with any certainty what the show would have been more entertaining without Bear, just as no one can state with any certainty that it would NOT have been - unless they were possessed of a supernatural talent for 'knowing the future' or alternative realities of the present :laugh: - because the future is unknown, but we do HAVE antecedent records of Sam Fox and other HM's on other programmes and shows, where - WITHOUT a bullying inhibitor such as Bear - they have been FAR MORE funny, bubbly, loquacious, and entertaining, so my 'opinion' is supported by historical evidence - unlike any opinions which claim that the show would NOT be more entertaining without Bear.

So, I maintain, that Bear is a malignant and depressingly oppressive character, whose boorish, egotistical, and antisocial bullying tactics ARE intimidating certain of the other HM's, and consequently, he IS suppressing their REAL personalities from coming to the fore.

Get the abominable twat OUT and let the others breathe.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Yet another fantastic post, Kirk. You make so many perceptive and insightful points with such clarity.

I was actually watching yesterday, longing for the show it used to be, when we could really get to know the housemates and their 'layers', and when conflict and confrontation might well occur, but it was not contrived or engineered, and when humour would emerge naturally. Surely, that was the original idea behind BB?

You are so right about so many housemates being suppressed- though I would almost say smothered or suffocated by the domineering and intimidating presence of Bear. His 'anti-social', cruel and childish actions are to blame, but so too, are those producers who have chosen to put this type of person in the house, who have chosen to enable and encourage his behaviour and who have chosen to focus the whole show on him. Bad decisions on their part. Very bad decisions.

The producers frustrate me incredibly, but it also makes me feel so sad as we are 'losing' a show that was so fascinating, interesting and entertaining, to see it replaced by such superficial and meaningless nonsense which highlights all that is so very wrong in modern society. So I am in full agreement with you.

Your words to describe Bear are so accurate and well-chosen, and I can't add to that as you've already said it all, and it couldn't, in truth, be said better. So all I can say that I fully support your perceptive observations of this 'malignant' 'oppressive' 'inhibitor'.

Excellent post, Kirk. :thumbs:

[Garfie]

I used the same word myself on another thread Kirk. I totally agree. The other housemates haven't been able to express themselves or enjoy themselves because Bear has taken every opportunity to ruin and disrupt everything.
It's a shame because it's been a one pillock show...EVERYTHING has revolved around him. Many of the others have retreated into their shell...others have just put up and ignored and Renee has risen to him but has lost herself in the process. He is a bully...I'm sure many would have liked to give him some of his own medicine but they would just pay the price. He teases..he mocks...he intimidates...he bully's.

I'm sick of hearing 'he has made the show'...he hasn't he has ruined it because he has suppressed the other housemates that we haven't had a show.
Last night it was refreshing to come on here and discuss James and Aubrey without having to mention Bear....

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Absolutely agree. Sadly, the whole show is about him, and the forum has mirrored that- it seems impossible to discuss any of the other housemates without being forced to mention him. And it's tiresome......

I am sick of watching him, sick of reading about him, sick of writing about him and sick of hearing the support he is being given. Sadly, this series has been ruined now and I fear, even if he was evicted at this stage, the others housemates have been so suppressed and exhausted by him, that all we would witness now would be tired relief, rather than entertainment.

[kirklancaster]

rubbish, that's a similar argument to the one against helen wood... People have their own minds don't they?
If the remit of the show is to portray how a group of people interact then this is exactly what happens.

Wow - look everyone, kizzy coming on here to disagree with me and call my post 'rubbish'.

Oooh - this is such a surprise.

[Xanzia]

so my 'opinion' is supported by historical evidence - unlike any opinions which claim that the show would NOT be more entertaining without Bear.

You are totally wrong, and why is Sam Fox in any way interesting at all in 2016?

[sampvt]

This is a hard one....Normally people like Bear can be blamed but if he wasn't there, who is to say that someone else wont step up. They all know what the score is and without him, it could fly or die, difficult to say but from my own perspective, it would be better off without him because his type drag the show down to Jeremy Kyle level and that's not what I signed up for. BB is an institution, not a dog fight for personality stars to inflate their portfolios. The social interaction is now all about egos, not situations

[kirklancaster]

You are totally wrong, and why is Sam Fox in any way interesting at all in 2016?

I never said that she was 'interesting', but seeing as you asked; how is she any less 'interesting than James Whale - whose heyday was decades ago? or Grant 'Mr Bankrupt' Bovey? or any of the other younger HM's who may be 'current' but only to those who watch 'Geordie Shore' or other 'Reality' TV shows, and are unknown to those who do not - which is, incidentally, the vast majority of viewers.

As for your statement that I am 'totally wrong' - you are welcome to your opinion, but I'm afraid that with me, it does not carry much weight or validity, because you FAIL to expound on just WHY you state that I am totally wrong, and this is a DEBATE Forum.

I do not think anyone would pay me any credence were I to pop up on some egghead forum where they were debating, say, Einsteins Theory Of Relativity' and I was to merely say: 'You are totally wrong'.

So I welcome your reasons should you wish to expound on your statement Xanzia.

[fitz2k2]

I'm tired of hear this lame excuse how one housemate personality is holding everyone back from others.WHat kind of BS is that! Lets go into detail about each housemate
Katie- crybaby girl. Never gets much air time and even heavy d pointed her out as boring
heavy d-well we all knows he loves food and tries so hard to be part of the cool clique daily
renee-maifa lifestyle has really brainwashed her mind to the point she thinks everyone is a rat
Aubrey-I want to see more from her and looks like after last night there is more to her
lewis/marnie-lets be real we both know it scripted.Nobody falls in love in 3 days.Nice try bb producers
James-interesting fellow. He switch sides on nominations.That was very shocking.
frankie-had a game plan and well it didn't work.He came out feeling like glitter but nowdays I think his energy drained at times
sam-i think she more of second mother behind renee of the house
bear-yes I know everyone hates the guy and hes very consistent of being asshloe ,but there is more to guy if you sit down and analyze the guy without chloe around
ricky-is even in the house?most of the time he sits by himself or bitches to people about bear.Idk why bb brought in bbots panel guy into the show.WIthout Rylan asking him questions about a housemate.He is very dull.

[kirklancaster]

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Yet another fantastic post, Kirk. You make so many perceptive and insightful points with such clarity.

I was actually watching yesterday, longing for the show it used to be, when we could really get to know the housemates and their 'layers', and when conflict and confrontation might well occur, but it was not contrived or engineered, and when humour would emerge naturally. Surely, that was the original idea behind BB?

You are so right about so many housemates being suppressed- though I would almost say smothered or suffocated by the domineering and intimidating presence of Bear. His 'anti-social', cruel and childish actions are to blame, but so too, are those producers who have chosen to put this type of person in the house, who have chosen to enable and encourage his behaviour and who have chosen to focus the whole show on him. Bad decisions on their part. Very bad decisions.

The producers frustrate me incredibly, but it also makes me feel so sad as we are 'losing' a show that was so fascinating, interesting and entertaining, to see it replaced by such superficial and meaningless nonsense which highlights all that is so very wrong in modern society. So I am in full agreement with you.

Your words to describe Bear are so accurate and well-chosen, and I can't add to that as you've already said it all, and it couldn't, in truth, be said better. So all I can say that I fully support your perceptive observations of this 'malignant' 'oppressive' 'inhibitor'.

Excellent post, Kirk. :thumbs:

Thanks Garfie, and once again - a GREAT post by yourself.

[rusticgal]

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Absolutely agree. Sadly, the whole show is about him, and the forum has mirrored that- it seems impossible to discuss any of the other housemates without being forced to mention him. And it's tiresome......

I am sick of watching him, sick of reading about him, sick of writing about him and sick of hearing the support he is being given. Sadly, this series has been ruined now and I fear, even if he was evicted at this stage, the others housemates have been so suppressed and exhausted by him, that all we would witness now would be tired relief, rather than entertainment.



I completely feel the same way Garfie...it's just a one man show.

[kirklancaster]

I used the same word myself on another thread Kirk. I totally agree. The other housemates haven't been able to express themselves or enjoy themselves because Bear has taken every opportunity to ruin and disrupt everything.
It's a shame because it's been a one pillock show...EVERYTHING has revolved around him. Many of the others have retreated into their shell...others have just put up and ignored and Renee has risen to him but has lost herself in the process. He is a bully...I'm sure many would have liked to give him some of his own medicine but they would just pay the price. He teases..he mocks...he intimidates...he bully's.

I'm sick of hearing 'he has made the show'...he hasn't he has ruined it because he has suppressed the other housemates that we haven't had a show.
Last night it was refreshing to come on here and discuss James and Aubrey without having to mention Bear....

Thanks Rusticgal - I think we agree on most things to do with CBB - especially the dickhead Bear. :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

:clap1:

Thanks Withano.

[kirklancaster]

Well said Kirk.
Beartwat knows he can be a complete arse without the fear of the thump he deserves as whoever retaliated would be thrown out.
Slimey yellow coward that he is.

Thanks Smudgie. Well said yourself - He is a slimy, yellow coward.

[kirklancaster]

spot on OP

Thanks Elliebrew. It was actually a thread of yours - which I was going to post on before it disappeared - which inspired my post.

[kirklancaster]

Well said

Thanks PaulaD

[rusticgal]

I'm tired of hear this lame excuse how one housemate personality is holding everyone back from others.WHat kind of BS is that! Lets go into detail about each housemate
Katie- crybaby girl. Never gets much air time and even heavy d pointed her out as boring
heavy d-well we all knows he loves food and tries so hard to be part of the cool clique daily
renee-maifa lifestyle has really brainwashed her mind to the point she thinks everyone is a rat
Aubrey-I want to see more from her and looks like after last night there is more to her
lewis/marnie-lets be real we both know it scripted.Nobody falls in love in 3 days.Nice try bb producers
James-interesting fellow. He switch sides on nominations.That was very shocking.
frankie-had a game plan and well it didn't work.He came out feeling like glitter but nowdays I think his energy drained at times
sam-i think she more of second mother behind renee of the house
bear-yes I know everyone hates the guy and hes very consistent of being asshloe ,but there is more to guy if you sit down and analyze the guy without chloe around
ricky-is even in the house?most of the time he sits by himself or bitches to people about bear.Idk why bb brought in bbots panel guy into the show.WIthout Rylan asking him questions about a housemate.He is very dull.


Well I find your post hilarious.... It's amazing you have come to any conclusion about any of the housemates because apart from The Americans we haven't seen much of anyone else. You base your facts from the evidence you have seen obviously...but you can't judge anyone on so little exposure.

[rusticgal]

Kirk and Garfie...:worship::worship::worship:

[Epic.]

I absolutely agree. Bear is one of the biggest season ruiners and one of the worst housemates ever. I will jump for joy if he's miraculously evicted tonight.

[Garfie]

This is a hard one....Normally people like Bear can be blamed but if he wasn't there, who is to say that someone else wont step up. They all know what the score is and without him, it could fly or die, difficult to say but from my own perspective, it would be better off without him because his type drag the show down to Jeremy Kyle level and that's not what I signed up for. BB is an institution, not a dog fight for personality stars to inflate their portfolios. The social interaction is now all about egos, not situations

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Absolutely!

[puzzled]

Right on, Kirk. The producers have turned it into a repulsive, shallow, and boring panto show.

[Vanessa]

Producers love him and that's why he's always shown. They know he makes headlines and everyone is talking about him. Controversy sells.

[Garfie]

Producers love him and that's why he's always shown. They know he makes headlines and everyone is talking about him. Controversy sells.

You are spot on here, Vanessa, and that sums it up really- good or bad, enjoy it or not, it can't be denied that everyone is talking about him and, when it comes down to it, it is controversy that sells.

[kirklancaster]

I'm tired of hear this lame excuse how one housemate personality is holding everyone back from others.WHat kind of BS is that! Lets go into detail about each housemate
Katie- crybaby girl. Never gets much air time and even heavy d pointed her out as boring
heavy d-well we all knows he loves food and tries so hard to be part of the cool clique daily
renee-maifa lifestyle has really brainwashed her mind to the point she thinks everyone is a rat
Aubrey-I want to see more from her and looks like after last night there is more to her
lewis/marnie-lets be real we both know it scripted.Nobody falls in love in 3 days.Nice try bb producers
James-interesting fellow. He switch sides on nominations.That was very shocking.
frankie-had a game plan and well it didn't work.He came out feeling like glitter but nowdays I think his energy drained at times
sam-i think she more of second mother behind renee of the house
bear-yes I know everyone hates the guy and hes very consistent of being asshloe ,but there is more to guy if you sit down and analyze the guy without chloe around
ricky-is even in the house?most of the time he sits by himself or bitches to people about bear.Idk why bb brought in bbots panel guy into the show.WIthout Rylan asking him questions about a housemate.He is very dull.

:laugh: But fitz - THIS is EXACTLY what point my post was making.

You can only judge on what you are SEEING or being ALLOWED to see, and you MUST ask yourself two questions:

1) Is WHAT I am seeing the result of biased selective editing on the part of the show's producers, who WANT to give Bear the 'Lion's Share' of screentime, and the best plot lines, so he is seen as more ENTERTAINING, whilst depriving the 'others' of screen time, and giving them poor plot lines to show them as less entertaining and rather mundane?

2) In addition to the above; has the behaviour/performances of the 'other' HM's during the reduced screen time which they do have, been adversely affected and their REAL personalities suppressed BECAUSE of the dominating antics of Bear?

Are ANY of the other HM's personalities REALLY as boring and mundane as this show might suggest?

I KNOW that James Whale was a very intelligent and opinionated person who was an avid conversationalist and raconteur who loved to express himself on all manner of interesting topics back in 'the day', and he is but a pale shadow of his former self on here.

I have seen Sam Fox on various other shows and programmes, and she has been far more animated and bubbly and upbeat than she has been on here.

I did not know Frankie, or Aubrey, or anyone else prior to them coming into the house, but I have read the positive things which other members on here have had to say about them, and THAT, in addition to the research which I have done on the internet about them all, CONVINCES me that EVERYONE of them are NOT showing their 'normal' personalities on CBB.

I can only deduce what I have, and maintain that biased editing AND the suppressive, oppressive nature of psycho Bears toxic and draining personality, is responsible.

[Livia]

You are totally wrong, and why is Sam Fox in any way interesting at all in 2016?

Sam Fox - and I'm not a fan - could sit silently in a room and still be more interesting than Bear. Unless I was some kind of head doctor. Then Bear would be really interesting.

[Northern Monkey]

Tbh i don't think one housemates behaviour can excuse the lack of character from a crap cast.If Bear never went in there then most people would be switching off by now through boredom.He was obviously the best they could find for this series.
Hopefully next series we actually get some celebrities in there.

[kirklancaster]

Sam Fox - and I'm not a fan - could sit silently in a room and still be more interesting than Bear. Unless I was some kind of head doctor. Then Bear would be really interesting.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:: So true. He is as BORING as they come with his shallow, infantile, repetitive behaviour.

[kirklancaster]

Right on, Kirk. The producers have turned it into a repulsive, shallow, and boring panto show.

Thanks Puzzled.

[kirklancaster]

This is a hard one....Normally people like Bear can be blamed but if he wasn't there, who is to say that someone else wont step up. They all know what the score is and without him, it could fly or die, difficult to say but from my own perspective, it would be better off without him because his type drag the show down to Jeremy Kyle level and that's not what I signed up for. BB is an institution, not a dog fight for personality stars to inflate their portfolios. The social interaction is now all about egos, not situations

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Well said Sam. It is now at a 'Jeremy Kyle' level.

[Jamie89]

You're absolutely right Kirk. And I think your point is highlighted even more by having a direct comparison coming off the back of BB17.
We had Marco who was an overbearing focus in the beginning, and a lot of people said he was making the show, but his eviction proved that wasn't the case. Look at Laura for example; her only purpose during Marco's stay in the house was as a pawn to his airtime and it was only once he left that the producers allowed us to see her actual personality, and a lot of us (including myself) went from disliking her to absolutely loving her. I don't personally believe that it was simply a case that she didn't show her personality before then. Many of us were shocked that she wasn't nominated in the first week because of the edit we saw of her, but her not being nominated shows that the HM's were seeing something different.
And then Natalie was 'making the show' because she had lots of arguments, but personally I found her one-note, and her arguments dull, and again once she left it opened the show up further and we got to see other housemates flourish. My series favourite was Emma and I doubt that would have been the case had Marco and Natalie stayed because the little moments that made me love her simply wouldn't have been shown. And a show like Big Brother, for me, is more about the little moments and getting to see what makes people tick, rather than it being about watching obnoxious idiots causing faux drama for the sake of it.

A lot of us tend to moan about contrived storylines and producer manipulation, but by buying into the producer driven hype of a single housemate, by making claims that someone like Bear is 'making the show' simply because that's what they're feeding us, we're rewarding the producers and encouraging more of it, so it shouldn't come as a surprise when they bring in other types of manipulation too. The problem I have with situations like this though, is that it's a situation where, like Cherie so shrewdly pointed out in another thread, the producers are manipulating us.

Of course had Bear left early, like you said there's no guarantee that this series would be entertaining. But for me at least, and for what I like to watch in a BB series, it isn't entertaining in the slightest with him in there so I'd have been happy with that risk.

[hijaxers]

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Absolutely agree. Sadly, the whole show is about him, and the forum has mirrored that- it seems impossible to discuss any of the other housemates without being forced to mention him. And it's tiresome......

I am sick of watching him, sick of reading about him, sick of writing about him and sick of hearing the support he is being given. Sadly, this series has been ruined now and I fear, even if he was evicted at this stage, the others housemates have been so suppressed and exhausted by him, that all we would witness now would be tired relief, rather than entertainment.

I absolutely agree with you so well spoken Kirk & Garfie.

[kirklancaster]

You're absolutely right Kirk. And I think your point is highlighted even more by having a direct comparison coming off the back of BB17.
We had Marco who was an overbearing focus in the beginning, and a lot of people said he was making the show, but his eviction proved that wasn't the case. Look at Laura for example; her only purpose during Marco's stay in the house was as a pawn to his airtime and it was only once he left that the producers allowed us to see her actual personality, and a lot of us (including myself) went from disliking her to absolutely loving her. I don't personally believe that it was simply a case that she didn't show her personality before then. Many of us were shocked that she wasn't nominated in the first week because of the edit we saw of her, but her not being nominated shows that the HM's were seeing something different.
And then Natalie was 'making the show' because she had lots of arguments, but personally I found her one-note, and her arguments dull, and again once she left it opened the show up further and we got to see other housemates flourish. My series favourite was Emma and I doubt that would have been the case had Marco and Natalie stayed because the little moments that made me love her simply wouldn't have been shown. And a show like Big Brother, for me, is more about the little moments and getting to see what makes people tick, rather than it being about watching obnoxious idiots causing faux drama for the sake of it.

A lot of us tend to moan about contrived storylines and producer manipulation, but by buying into the producer driven hype of a single housemate, by making claims that someone like Bear is 'making the show' simply because that's what they're feeding us, we're rewarding the producers and encouraging more of it, so it shouldn't come as a surprise when they bring in other types of manipulation too. The problem I have with situations like this though, is that it's a situation where, like Cherie so shrewdly pointed out in another thread, the producers are manipulating us.

Of course had Bear left early, like you said there's no guarantee that this series would be entertaining. But for me at least, and for what I like to watch in a BB series, it isn't entertaining in the slightest with him in there so I'd have been happy with that risk.

Thank you Jamie. You are so intelligent and eloquent, I'm proud. :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

I absolutely agree with you so well spoken Kirk & Garfie.

Thanks Hijax - I miss you on the old word games.

[Vanessa]

You are spot on here, Vanessa, and that sums it up really- good or bad, enjoy it or not, it can't be denied that everyone is talking about him and, when it comes down to it, it is controversy that sells.

Love him or hate him at least he's doing f something in there. Take out Bear, Rene and a few others and the rest is just coasting along. No one can deny he's the one who has had the most impact in this series. Everyone is talking about him.

[kirklancaster]

Love him or hate him at least he's doing f something in there. Take out Bear, Rene and a few others and the rest is just coasting along. No one can deny he's the one who has had the most impact in this series. Everyone is talking about him.

Ahh, sorry. This is simply no absolute. Without this horrible bastard, at least ONE of the others may rise to prominence.

Shirley McLaine became a Mega Star in the 1954 production of 'Pyjama Game' when she stepped out of the shadows as an understudy when 'STAR' Carol Haney broke her ankle. WTF knows who Carol Haney is now? But they ALL know Shirley McLaine.

Anthony Hopkins stepped out of the shadows and became a Mega Star in the 1965 production of 'Dance of Death', when he understudied the incomparable Laurence Olivier who went down with appendicitis.

Your post PRESUMES that NONE of the other HM's have the charisma, personality, intellect, or ability to be a 'Star' celebrity, when the truth is - that much like 'understudies' - they are being 'FORCED' into the shadows because the producers have cast twat Bear as the 'Star'.

Also, as with the 'understudies', ONCE Bear the 'Star' is GONE, at least ONE of the other HM's WILL seize the opportunity to step up to the mark, and become the new 'Star'.

Do you REALLY and TRULY believe that from Day One, if these same HM's went into the CBB house and Bear was NEVER an HM, that we would NOW have certain members on here crying that the entire show is 'boring'? Or would we now all be enjoying a good series were there was a mixture of the HM's interacting, Game Playing, Back Stabbing, Show-mancing - ALL the ingredients atypical of CBB AND BB, but WITHOUT the overpowering, disruptive, vexatious and cruel bullying tactics of show-off Bear.

[Lostie!]

:clap1:

[Paula D]

To all the Bear "supporters", would you live with him????

[Vanessa]

To all the Bear "supporters", would you live with him????

No, but as a housemate I think he's fantastic!

[Cherie]

Some of them don't have personalities to suppress :omgno: ruthless....:hehe:

[Northern Monkey]

To all the Bear "supporters", would you live with him????

None of us have to?

[kirklancaster]

Some of them don't have personalities to suppress :omgno: ruthless....:hehe:

:nono: I want your SWEET side back.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSIZcEAKa6XYhqqjugu6eCHZNrg8c9KB HvrIEwEG5wmhAhZ6oOe
SHOW ME THE HONEY:laugh:

[kirklancaster]

None of us have to?

Yeah Paul, but we have to live with the 'orrible twat one hour per day if we still want to watch our favourite show. :laugh:

[Garfie]

Love him or hate him at least he's doing f something in there. Take out Bear, Rene and a few others and the rest is just coasting along. No one can deny he's the one who has had the most impact in this series. Everyone is talking about him.

I think you might have misunderstand my point, and missed some of the previous discussion maybe....? You are right that everyone is talking about him, and he has had most impact, but to many people on this thread, that has been manipulated by the editing and is a negative, rather than positive thing.

[chuff me dizzy]

Ive not seen anyone else with a personality in there for him to suppress

[kirklancaster]

Ive not seen anyone else with a personality in there for him to suppress

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Come in Joseph Heller we've got a 'Catch 22'...

I LOVE you Chuff. :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

:clap1:

Thanks Lostie.

[chuff me dizzy]

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Come in Joseph Heller we've got a 'Catch 22'...

I LOVE you Chuff. :laugh:

Well honestly Kirk what a set of boring twats they are this series part from Bear ..Ive never seen a series like it

[Ammi]

..I honestly think Kirk that he's supressing himself and his own balance just as much as he is with others with his persistent and continuous/constant feeling that his attention will come from 'spoiling everything' and winding everyone up as much as he can...I've noticed for the last few shows that he sometimes 'talks baby'...adopts a child-like voice..?...that's something that I've never really seen a guy do before, it's something that is more associated with females with those who do it...(I'm not sure what the psychology..:laugh:..)..but I really do think that the purposeful stress that he's putting on others and the strain etc is showing on himself because he's not being his true self either, he's playing a character and trying to sustain that character for 24 hours a day, day in and day out etc...

[kirklancaster]

..I honestly think Kirk that he's supressing himself and his own balance just as much as he is with others with his persistent and continuous/constant feeling that his attention will come from 'spoiling everything' and winding everyone up as much as he can...I've noticed for the last few shows that he sometimes 'talks baby'...adopts a child-like voice..?...that's something that I've never really seen a guy do before, it's something that is more associated with females with those who do it...(I'm not sure what the psychology..:laugh:..)..but I really do think that the purposeful stress that he's putting on others and the strain etc is showing on himself because he's not being his true self either, he's playing a character and trying to sustain that character for 24 hours a day, day in and day out etc...

I agree Ammi. His behaviour is getting increasingly more 'forced' and that he seems to be 'running out of ideas' as to what 'shocking' stunt to pull next, and the strain of that - as you rightly say - does seem to be impacting upon himself.

I too have noticed his voice. He seems to be struggling NOT to fully morph into Joe Pasquale. If only the boorish prick would 'Have An Accident'. :laugh:

Great to see you back posting Ammi, and I hope that Birthday was a stunner. :kiss:

[Ammi]

I agree Ammi. His behaviour is getting increasingly more 'forced' and that he seems to be 'running out of ideas' as to what 'shocking' stunt to pull next, and the strain of that - as you rightly say - does seem to be impacting upon himself.

I too have noticed his voice. He seems to be struggling NOT to fully morph into Joe Pasquale. If only the boorish prick would 'Have An Accident'. :laugh:

Great to see you back posting Ammi, and I hope that Birthday was a stunner. :kiss:

....awww, thank you Kirk..:love:..Mr A has some time away from work so we went away for a few days and I had a lovely birthday with la famille...:lovedup:..


...hmmm, this is it really..I just don't believe that he's being natural or being himself with what he's doing so constantly, I think that 'winding up' is just one element of him but he's pushing it and has pushed it to such limits that the strain is also showing on him..this is also why this isn't in any way a 'normal house' and housemate's reactions and actions can't be compared to previous houses because the stress factor hasn't been comparable to just 'living in a confined environment with those we have nothing in common with'...one of the big things for me with the celebrity one is seeing the egos etc and that hasn't nearly come into play so much this series because it's all been reactionary behaviour to bad behaviour and etc etc....last night with the Year Book thing and Aubrey asking Bear why he had ruined it..?...and his reply of 'just because' or something..?...so much like a child who doesn't understand any thought process/reasons etc for destrution and that's what it's all become for him as well now..he's just lost his way and has no idea anymore because he's lost or supressed himself also..../it was quite sad really, hearing him say that....

[MrWong]

Dawn French ‏@Dawn_French 1m1 minute ago
Am beyond FURIOUS that 'Bear' has hijacked my fave telly #CBBUK for his own idiotic showing off purposes.#boringtwot

:love:

[kirklancaster]

Dawn French ‏@Dawn_French 1m1 minute ago
Am beyond FURIOUS that 'Bear' has hijacked my fave telly #CBBUK for his own idiotic showing off purposes.#boringtwot

:love:

:clap1::clap1::clap1: I love Dawn.

[Garfie]

..I honestly think Kirk that he's supressing himself and his own balance just as much as he is with others with his persistent and continuous/constant feeling that his attention will come from 'spoiling everything' and winding everyone up as much as he can...I've noticed for the last few shows that he sometimes 'talks baby'...adopts a child-like voice..?...that's something that I've never really seen a guy do before, it's something that is more associated with females with those who do it...(I'm not sure what the psychology..:laugh:..)..but I really do think that the purposeful stress that he's putting on others and the strain etc is showing on himself because he's not being his true self either, he's playing a character and trying to sustain that character for 24 hours a day, day in and day out etc...

He seems stuck in child mode in so many ways, and so much of his behaviour suggests that. The baby talk/voice is really strange. He did mention something one night about being his Mum's favourite- maybe he reverts to child mode to get what he wants or to in attempt to get away with unacceptable behaviour, something he learnt as a child?

There is a lot about Bear that is strange in a man of 26.

[Vanessa]

he's just being himself and actually is getting on well with everyone. But he likes to wind people up, no doubt :laugh: