View Full Version : Do you think Kim Kardashian deserves to be famous?
I know she was criticised for years for 'being famous for being famous' but I'm interested to see if people still hold that view?
For me personally, she definitely deserves her fame. She's a marketing genius and she's worked hard for her success. She's a businesswoman first and foremost and she's capitalised on her assets and not only created an empire for herself - but also made herself one of the most famous women to ever live. She's this generation's Marilyn Monroe. She's a cultural icon.
It's just a shame that some people still think she doesn't deserve her fame and she's famous for nothing. What are your thoughts on the issue?
(Personally I think it's a Serious Debate and News worthy as it's very culturally relevant since Kim is a role model to the youth of today)
Pete.
10-09-2016, 07:12 PM
Yes she's the modern Marilyn
LukeB
10-09-2016, 07:15 PM
No, she's a bad example for young teenagers because getting famous for having sex isn't really an achievement. Anyone can have sex but teenagers are easily influenced by people from media. She has no talent at all. She only made a empire because she's famous so it was easy for her.
Pete.
10-09-2016, 07:17 PM
No, she's a bad example for young teenagers because getting famous for having sex isn't really an achievement. Anyone can have sex but teenagers are easily influenced by people from media. She has no talent at all. She only made a empire because she's famous so it was easy for her.
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Yes she's the modern Marilyn
this, and i'm being serious, she's the socialite of the 10s like Paris was in the 00s
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Shaun
10-09-2016, 07:17 PM
Her claim to fame might be dodgy but she's proven to be a savvy businesswoman with her apps/fashion lines/promotional work and generally seems like a pleasant person (if a bit vapid and image-obsessed). Just as valid a career goal as wanting to be the next Taylor Swift and writing every insecurity and failed relationship into an exploitative song.
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Wow why was this not in the OP?
Greg!
10-09-2016, 07:20 PM
She's an absolute legend and she's got an amazing personality. And she's definitely not talentless, the way she's managed to make herself one of the most famous people who has ever lived is incredible an shows that she is more intelligent than people give her credit for.
So yes she does deserve to be famous
LukeB
10-09-2016, 07:21 PM
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That actually sounds awful and that's bad especially after using auto tune and other special effects.
And she definitely does deserve a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. They need to scrap the outdated rules. She's more famous than anyone on it.
Pete.
10-09-2016, 07:21 PM
That actually sounds awful and that's bad especially after using auto tune and other special effects.
It was a charity single so it highlights her philanthropy
That actually sounds awful and that's bad especially after using auto tune and other special effects.
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armand.kay
10-09-2016, 07:31 PM
Anyone who can make their name into a brand deserves it. People act like she literally does nothing but sit on her arse all day. Accomplishing what she has accomplished cannot be easy otherwise everyone would be as famous has her.
Jordan.
10-09-2016, 07:35 PM
No because she ended Paris
Daniel.
10-09-2016, 07:41 PM
Jam is a smash so yes
Johnnyuk123
10-09-2016, 07:44 PM
Who is she? and what is she famous for?
Natalie.
10-09-2016, 07:46 PM
Yes she has worked very hard, she's a great businesswoman
Vicky.
10-09-2016, 07:50 PM
What is she actually famous for? I genuinely have no idea. I don't follow news about her or any of her family tbh...assumed she was just a reality tv person :S
Jason.
10-09-2016, 07:53 PM
Not a fame thread in Serious Debates lol
Her claim to fame might be dodgy but she's proven to be a savvy businesswoman with her apps/fashion lines/promotional work and generally seems like a pleasant person (if a bit vapid and image-obsessed). Just as valid a career goal as wanting to be the next Taylor Swift and writing every insecurity and failed relationship into an exploitative song.
Yeah this sums it up tbh.
What is she actually famous for? I genuinely have no idea. I don't follow news about her or any of her family tbh...assumed she was just a reality tv person :S
Her family become famous because her father was OJ Simpson's lawyer and her mother was Nicole Brown Simpson's best friend and then her mother remarried Bruce Jenner the Olympian and then a sex tape between Kim and a famous rapper leaked a few months before the family got their own reality TV show and then her and the rest of her family kinda just capitalised on her sex tape and the TV show and worked really hard and now they're all multi millionaires and A-list celebs.
Vicky.
10-09-2016, 07:54 PM
Her family become famous because her father was OJ Simpson's lawyer and her mother was Nicole Brown Simpson's best friend and then her mother remarried Bruce Jenner the Olympian and then a sex tape between Kim and a famous rapper leaked a few months before the family got their own reality TV show and then her and the rest of her family kinda just capitalised on her sex tape and the TV show and worked really hard and now they're all multi millionaires and A-list celebs.
...wow :laugh:
Mokka
10-09-2016, 07:55 PM
Yes she's the modern Marilyn
You have got to be kidding...
Marilyn was an acting and singing sensation...not a tabloid hound. Her tabloid stardom was forced on her...and led to her demise.
My answer to the OP is no :idc:
Pete.
10-09-2016, 07:57 PM
You have got to be kidding...
Marilyn was an acting and singing sensation...not a tabloid hound. Her tabloid stardom was forced on her...and led to her demise.
My answer to the OP is no :idc:
We've already agreed that Kim is too
LukeB
10-09-2016, 07:59 PM
We've already agreed that Kim is too
Special effects is not talent, anyone can do that with the right software.
Mokka
10-09-2016, 08:01 PM
We've already agreed that Kim is too
I never agreed to this...and never would.
Based on your write up of what she is famous for....she doesn't even come close to being a modern Marilyn ... that just insults Marilyn
y.winter
10-09-2016, 08:04 PM
No.
Artificial superficial bimbo. I see no depth in it.
Marilyn was a sex symbol. Kim is a sex symbol.
Marilyn was the most famous woman in the world at the time. Kim is the most famous woman in the world right now.
Marilyn was insanely famous for her look. Kim is insanely famous for her look.
Marilyn was a role model for the youth of her day. Kim is a role model for the youth of today.
Marilyn had an extensive career with modelling, acting and singing under her belt. Kim has an extensive career with modelling, reality TV, fashion designing etc.
Marilyn was a pop culture phenomenon. Kim is a pop culture phenomenon.
And they both could have been/can be the First Lady of the United States of America!
Glenn-C
10-09-2016, 08:16 PM
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Still better than Farrah Abraham
Mokka
10-09-2016, 08:18 PM
All those things that Marilyn is... I would argue none are what Kim is. Marilyn is just on a higher plane...end of. But I am not going to argue with you about them... you are from a generation where talent means something different to you then it's actually definition.
My answer to the OP remains NO
Firewire
10-09-2016, 08:18 PM
Yes she's an icon
Pete.
10-09-2016, 08:21 PM
The only thing that separates Marilyn and Kim is that Kim hasn't slept with a married president
The only thing that separates Marilyn and Kim is that Kim hasn't slept with a married president
That'll change when Kanye wins Presidency in 2020!
armand.kay
10-09-2016, 08:22 PM
The only thing that separates Marilyn and Kim is that Kim hasn't slept with a married president
Kim has way more class and would never.
Mystic Mock
10-09-2016, 08:34 PM
I don't like the Kardashians they're just not for me, and neither is their TV Shows.
However I'd never begrudge them success as I don't know them well enough to be personally involved like that.
Mystic Mock
10-09-2016, 08:38 PM
Her family become famous because her father was OJ Simpson's lawyer and her mother was Nicole Brown Simpson's best friend and then her mother remarried Bruce Jenner the Olympian and then a sex tape between Kim and a famous rapper leaked a few months before the family got their own reality TV show and then her and the rest of her family kinda just capitalised on her sex tape and the TV show and worked really hard and now they're all multi millionaires and A-list celebs.
The BIB is pushing it.:laugh:
To be A-list celebs most of the world needs to know who you are, not just America and a few die hard Reality TV fans from other countries.:joker:
Firewire
10-09-2016, 08:51 PM
She's definitely A-list
Crimson Dynamo
10-09-2016, 09:00 PM
Disgusting fat arse chav No
Crimson Dynamo
10-09-2016, 09:00 PM
She is famous amid the lumpen proles
Or among people who don't use phrases like "lumpenprole"
EspeonBB
10-09-2016, 09:03 PM
Say what you want about her but she's a smart businesswoman and knows exactly how to get media attention, there's a reason she's been relevant for years now (plus she snatched Paris :sorry: )
Crimson Dynamo
10-09-2016, 09:09 PM
Say what you want about her but she's a smart businesswoman and knows exactly how to get media attention, there's a reason she's been relevant for years now (plus she snatched Paris :sorry: )
Lol. The media exploit her. She has zero control
80+ million Instagram followers is A List.
Amy Jade
10-09-2016, 09:16 PM
I don't like her, but I think she deserves due credit for making such a huge empire from being Paris Hilton's closet organizer and the daughter of some guy who got a Murderer found innocent.
I don't think she's anything special and the stars of KUWTK are Kris and Khloe not Kim and I disagree that she's a good role model for young girls, if she had grown from the beginnings morally and found a talent that can't be accredited to somebody else then I'd feel different but she hasn't.
LaLaLand
10-09-2016, 09:18 PM
Famous sure why not? She seems like a great, savvy businesswoman.
As famous as she is for doing what she does over others? No.
Amy Jade
10-09-2016, 09:20 PM
80+ million Instagram followers is A List.
Hasnt she been accused multiple times of buying some of those?
EspeonBB
10-09-2016, 09:20 PM
Lol. The media exploit her. She has zero control
The media is the main reason for her fame and she knows exactly how to exploit it
hijaxers
10-09-2016, 09:23 PM
I know she was criticised for years for 'being famous for being famous' but I'm interested to see if people still hold that view?
For me personally, she definitely deserves her fame. She's a marketing genius and she's worked hard for her success. She's a businesswoman first and foremost and she's capitalised on her assets and not only created an empire for herself - but also made herself one of the most famous women to ever live. She's this generation's Marilyn Monroe. She's a cultural icon.
It's just a shame that some people still think she doesn't deserve her fame and she's famous for nothing. What are your thoughts on the issue?
(Personally I think it's a Serious Debate and News worthy as it's very culturally relevant since Kim is a role model to the youth of today)
I know nothing about her but it seems her surname is in vogue these days , i have no idea why and the only thing i've gleaned about her is she has a huge fake arse :joker:
For me personally no, and only because most of what is she was famous for is being fabricated and pure marketing (aside from her sex tape). Her home life on her reality show is scripted and there's dozens of those shows on TV right now. She's famous for being media savvy and hanging around the right crowds, timing her appearances and photos... some fame due there I guess.
Paris Hilton was famous for being on one of the first shows of it's kind where she left her roots to go live in a small town and provide comedy. Both her and Nicole were genuinely funny (though trashy as hell). That makes for a little more of a backstory than "I like to tweet everything I do, hang out with Kanye and look nice". I don't know how I will explain Kim to my kids :laugh:
But... given how lackluster our mainstream has been in the past 10-15 years comparatively speaking to other generations, it's understandable why she is noteworthy. Few acts have compared in recent years, even genuinely talented people... so I guess in that respect, she deserves her fame, but I don't necessarily have her high on my list for doing anything noteworthy... I'm more interested in why she's famous than in her actual famous.
We live in an era anyway where we follow people on Twitter and IG for really base reasons... they're not necessarily relevant, it's probably all a farce, but yet they're still interesting to us (like BB housemates :laugh:)
empire
10-09-2016, 09:47 PM
kardashian women where brought up in the rich LA plastic fame culture, one thing that gets on my nerves is that why do teenage girls and young women idolise these pair of nasty brats, no guy in there right mind would date women with there personalities, I loved that south park episode with butter's mom killing them with a shotgun,
joeysteele
10-09-2016, 10:45 PM
Whether I like a celebrity or not, for me if anyone has managed to get themselves noticed,managed to get TV shows etc; to the point where they pull in viewers and supporters more generally.
Then they are famous and have deserved their fame.
Kim certainly is,in my opinion, in the 'is famous' category.
Ithinkiloveyoutoo
10-09-2016, 11:28 PM
She's an absolute legend and she's got an amazing personality. And she's definitely not talentless, the way she's managed to make herself one of the most famous people who has ever lived is incredible an shows that she is more intelligent than people give her credit for.
So yes she does deserve to be famous
She kept her fame after the sex tape because she's "white" with a fat ass (fake), just like a fat ass propelled JLO to stardom. Her "business" is ran by her obsessed momager.
And now Kendal is getting all the gigs and such because of her name and models that have worked for years were rightfully angry. Same with that annoying Kylie
empire
11-09-2016, 12:09 AM
if kim kept her natural born unibrow, we wouldn't want to know a thing now would we, have you seen her with out make-up, yuck,
I know she was criticised for years for 'being famous for being famous' but I'm interested to see if people still hold that view?
For me personally, she definitely deserves her fame. She's a marketing genius and she's worked hard for her success. She's a businesswoman first and foremost and she's capitalised on her assets and not only created an empire for herself - but also made herself one of the most famous women to ever live. She's this generation's Marilyn Monroe. She's a cultural icon.
It's just a shame that some people still think she doesn't deserve her fame and she's famous for nothing. What are your thoughts on the issue?
(Personally I think it's a Serious Debate and News worthy as it's very culturally relevant since Kim is a role model to the youth of today)
...I guess that I hate comparisons of having to be this generations this or that person...'this person is the new :insertname:'....when people are so different/times are so different etc...why can't they just be individuals in their own right and not compared...I think it was someone from Givenchy that made the Kim Kardashian/Marilyn Monroe comparison, wasn't it Cal..?...
...anyways, to compare them in every way would mean comparing personal career achievements as well and that's where it would all fall apart a bit...but I do think there are some similarities though...Marilyn was a bit before my time but it seems that a large part of her celebrity/her 'iconic' was an interest in her personal life which was quite controversial obviously...so a similarity there..?...and Marilyn knew how to work that media as does Kim...making the right entrance/wearing the right dress etc..both very much in charge of themselves there and very much in charge of their celebrity...neither being taken quite seriously as well..?...both seen as 'the dumb' and bimbo type females..?..yeah, I can see that as well...
..it's funny because we have some children from an African village come to stay with us each year and their visions of 'celebrity and aspirations/role models' etc aren't very balanced...they're very media driven with the big glossy magazines etc and pics of what are seen as beautiful/glamorous ladies...and in one conversation about 'who/what would you like to be'...Kim Kardashian's name came up quite a lot with the young girls...it could have been Angelina with her acting accomplishments and her charity works etc, who was admired but no...Kim I think is a much bigger celebrity to some..so that's subjective as well/celebrityism...yeah, I know that's not a word but I like it...
...anyways, I've got a bit off course, I'm still quite sleepy but I think yes, she very much deserves to be famous and deserves her celebrity...regardless of her career accomplishments (or lack of them or whatever..)...she's very much an icon of her time...I like her actually, she's always seemed like a very nice lady to me..(sorry CeeCee...)...
....hmmmm, thinking about it...we analyse/we criticise/we judge so much..that's what we do so then we think 'do they deserve' or whatever but when you strip it back to people who don't do those things and the negative and real negative images that become some people's daily environments then yes..Kim Kardashian, a beautiful lady smiling from a magazine cover etc is very much a positive 'role model' and very much an icon of the day...(whether that feel shallow or not etc..)...
..maybe over-thinking it a little...
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