The US Election Tuesday Nov 8 2016 - TRUMP WINS!!

[arista]

Trump went to a Rally of LGBT folks

So Clinton

FECK OFF

[Mokka]

What a great speech :clap1:

I can see why such a stong, competent, articulate woman is so vile to the men who would vilify her.... we wouldn't want a woman, who displayed the same capabilities of a man, in power...how will we keep claiming they are the weaker sex :fan:

[Jamie89]

I think we need to 'put our own house in order' first Jamie, before we even begin to wonder at the American Electoral System:

UKIP increased its share of the vote in the last General Election by 10 percentage points to a total of 3.9 million and wound up with just one constituency under the UK's first-past-the-post voting system.

Under the D'Hondt system of converting votes to seats, UKIP would have gained 83 seats.

Labour would have won far less seats and the Tories 75 less seats, and the SNP's 50 seat increase would have been just 25.

The unfairness of our current voting system is best illustrated by the fact that UKIP required more than 100 times as many votes for its lone elected MP than the Conservatives did for each of theirs.

Politics is a funny old game Jamie innit? :laugh:

Funny's the right word, you have to laugh :laugh: The fact that we have an election system in place that gives a result that doesn't reflect how the public have actually voted. It's madness!

[joeysteele]

So for the biggest and most important job in the free world no experience or qualifications are necessary - and that is acceptable to many? What in the **** is that all about? What a joke....D:

This.

It is unbelievable.

[joeysteele]

What a great speech :clap1:

I can see why such a stong, competent, articulate woman is so vile to the men who would vilify her.... we wouldn't want a woman, who displayed the same capabilities of a man, in power...how will we keep claiming they are the weaker sex :fan:

It was a great speech, I have always admired Hillary's commitment and determination,ever since becoming aware of her.

I think she warranted the chance of being President,certainly moreso than the person who has been given it.

Both these candidates have some dubious and concerning elements to them, as many politicians and world leaders have too.
Perhaps nothing really criminal however and she has been investigated and cleared twice now.
However it is incredible that the really awful and sickening things that Trump has come out with are swept under the carpet while at the same time the bypassing of that as to him, has real acidic and insulting unsubstantiated accusations, personal and otherwise continually against Hillary Clinton.

It really makes you wonder, well it does me anyway.

Good speech indeed from her.

I would also join Trump happily on one thing in his speech, that is to acknowledge that 'Americans owe Hillary a major debt of gratitude for her service to the USA'.
well done to him for saying that, at long last.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This.

It is unbelievable.

It's democratic politics.

It's not hard to fathom

[Northern Monkey]

Although I didn't like either candidate.I do kind of feel safer now i know Hitlary isn't in charge.She hates Russia and blames them when she breaks a nail.She would've taken us extremely close to a major war with them and China.Specially with her insane and idiotic plans for no fly zone over Syria.It would've taken a week at most before she'd have knocked a Russian jet out of the sky.
Trump on the other hand is pretty anti war from all he's said including the wars in the middle east.His wall had already been suggested by Killary before him.
Hillary with nuke codes in her possession is a far more dangerous prospect for me than Trump who i think will try to work with Russia to defeat ISIS instead of funding them.

[Northern Monkey]

Hitlary would've been the Kim Jong Un of the free world imo

[Shaun]

Now that she's politically irrelevant can we drop back from the 14 year old nicknames for her?

[reece(:]

266038556504494082

[jet]

Building the wall was a metaphor now apparently. What a fake Trump is...get the votes, then backtrack...here we go...:smug:

[empire]

trump has saved the world from having a nuclear holocaust, and is to restore good relations with russia and putin, if hillary won, ww3 would happen, trump will stop his country from giving weapons to the syrian rebels who are no different from isis, and will dump the house of saudi arabia, and will pull his troops from the russian border,

[Cherie]

Building the wall was a metaphor now apparently. What a fake Trump is...get the votes, then backtrack...here we go...:smug:

Isn't that a good thing :unsure:

[EspeonBB]

Building the wall was a metaphor now apparently. What a fake Trump is...get the votes, then backtrack...here we go...:smug:

I don't think the wall was ever going to happen (or if it was Mexico certainly wasn't going to pay for it). Same goes for the Muslim ban.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/11/09/17/article-3920292-3A360D7600000578-463_964x519.jpg
thats much better Lady

[arista]

I don't think the wall was ever going to happen (or if it was Mexico certainly wasn't going to pay for it). Same goes for the Muslim ban.


That was Modified
to Terror nation's ban


The Wall will go ahead

[jet]

Isn't that a good thing :unsure:

Obviously. I was pointing out that Trump is no different from the rest, saying what his followers want to hear until he gets the votes, then re- writing the script.

[Ammi]

..I found Hilary's speech quite hollow in feeling which is the niggly thing I've always had about her...that's she's 'perfect' in content and a great public speaker etc/very polished and especially in comparison to Sir Trump... but she just doesn't look like she feels it..she's generally very unconvincing I find.. like she just says the right thing and all the words perfect but no passion at all in things she's said...but I thought the content/pretty perfect..:love:...

[Jack_]

This is a good piece (albeit a tad excessive in parts)

https://samkriss.com/2016/11/09/how-you-lost-the-world/

The Democrats need to do some serious soul searching over the next four years to ensure they don't pick such a ineffectual candidate.

[GiRTh]

Girth
You and I knew
he could Win


BLAME CLINTONSAfter the latest e-mail revelation I became quite concerned that it was going to be close but always thought she'd win.

Three weeks ago I tuned into MSNBC and they were having a laugh trying to work out if HRC would get 400 votes assuming she'd easily get the 270 needed to win. Everyone was so far off the mark they should be embarrassed.

Gonna be interesting to see what he does. Obviously he cant do about 70 % of the things he said he was gonna do so lets see what he does, if anything.

[user104658]

..I found Hilary's speech quite hollow in feeling which is the niggly thing I've always had about her...that's she's 'perfect' in content and a great public speaker etc/very polished and especially in comparison to Sir Trump... but she just doesn't look like she feels it..she's generally very unconvincing I find.. like she just says the right thing and all the words perfect but no passion at all in things she's said...but I thought the content/pretty perfect..:love:...

I very, very much doubt that she wrote the speech herself.

[Denver]

I feel sorry for anyone in the USA who isnt a straight white male

[Ammi]

I very, very much doubt that she wrote the speech herself.

...yeah I realise that TS..but, but, but...:laugh:..I would think that all or most speeches are written for them...(with maybe some input from themselves in some cases..)...but it's more that someone like barrack for instance..?...always made me feel that his words were meant in how he delivered so I believed in him and I believed a sincerity..(whether rightly so or wrongly so..)...but with Hilary in all of her speeches, it's always felt that she's paying lip service even though she say all of the right things as we would expect.../she's just felt quite 'cold' to me...

[Kizzy]

#calexit... it's a thing :laugh:

[Kizzy]

There is some good news...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/09/remember-when-katie-hopkins-promised-to-move-to-the-usa-if-trump/

[kirklancaster]

..I found Hilary's speech quite hollow in feeling which is the niggly thing I've always had about her...that's she's 'perfect' in content and a great public speaker etc/very polished and especially in comparison to Sir Trump... but she just doesn't look like she feels it..she's generally very unconvincing I find.. like she just says the right thing and all the words perfect but no passion at all in things she's said...but I thought the content/pretty perfect..:love:...

Absolutely how I have always felt about her too Ammi. Trump came across as 10,000% sincere in his 'victory' speech in comparison to Hillary's performance.

For me, anyway.

[Northern Monkey]

There is some good news...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/09/remember-when-katie-hopkins-promised-to-move-to-the-usa-if-trump/

He'll be building a wall to keep her out:joker:

[Pete.]

http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/p750x750/13277738_249099692115668_2044587531_n.jpg?ig_cache _key=MTI2MzE1OTY2MjI0MzcyMjY5NA%3D%3D.2

[joeysteele]

Building the wall was a metaphor now apparently. What a fake Trump is...get the votes, then backtrack...here we go...:smug:

Well exactly,he talked about deceit and trust, he makes a massive issue as to this 'supposed' policy of his, if he now backtracks, so much for his word and even more to doubt as to his truth after such deceit.

[user104658]

#calexit... it's a thing :laugh:

President Arnie: The dream lives on!

[Kizzy]

Ok American ladies... be prepared!

zGUeuk--0kc

[Crimson Dynamo]

Building the wall was a metaphor now apparently. What a fake Trump is...get the votes, then backtrack...here we go...:smug:

and your source is what?

because apparently isnt a source

[MTVN]

I doubt we'll see 'the wall' as it was sold originally but there are already walls and barriers along about a third of the US-Mexico border so its not crazy to think that will be significantly extended. It's also not vastly different to other countries if you look at European countries who have erected fences along their entire borders this year and Israel who have a wall on their border.

[jet]

and your source is what?

because apparently isnt a source

One of Trumps team explained what Trump 'meant' when being interviewed on BBC news - which is why I used 'apparently'.

[Marsh.]

Trump so far

:(

[Crimson Dynamo]

One of Trumps team explained what Trump 'meant' when being interviewed on BBC news - which is why I used 'apparently'.

link?

[joeysteele]

One of Trumps team explained what Trump 'meant' when being interviewed on BBC news - which is why I used 'apparently'.

They have just been on about the wall and Trumps promises,yes promises,on the news jet, along with more of his other rather 'dubious' promises.
Like promising some workers in areas he will bring coal mining back and workers of some other areas he will bring steel back, doubts all cast on those promises too..
Already.

[Jack_]

I remarked last night that a lot of interviews with Trump supporters just highlight some of the failures of neoliberalism and help to explain the success of his campaign. Well I just stumbled upon this article (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot) from back in April (pre-Brexit too!) that's gaining traction since last night, and it's a powerful (albeit long) read :clap1:

Neoliberalism – the ideology at the root of all our problems

Financial meltdown, environmental disaster and even the rise of Donald Trump – neoliberalism has played its part in them all. Why has the left failed to come up with an alternative?

Imagine if the people of the Soviet Union had never heard of communism. The ideology that dominates our lives has, for most of us, no name. Mention it in conversation and you’ll be rewarded with a shrug. Even if your listeners have heard the term before, they will struggle to define it. Neoliberalism: do you know what it is?

Its anonymity is both a symptom and cause of its power. It has played a major role in a remarkable variety of crises: the financial meltdown of 2007‑8, the offshoring of wealth and power, of which the Panama Papers offer us merely a glimpse, the slow collapse of public health and education, resurgent child poverty, the epidemic of loneliness, the collapse of ecosystems, the rise of Donald Trump. But we respond to these crises as if they emerge in isolation, apparently unaware that they have all been either catalysed or exacerbated by the same coherent philosophy; a philosophy that has – or had – a name. What greater power can there be than to operate namelessly?

So pervasive has neoliberalism become that we seldom even recognise it as an ideology. We appear to accept the proposition that this utopian, millenarian faith describes a neutral force; a kind of biological law, like Darwin’s theory of evolution. But the philosophy arose as a conscious attempt to reshape human life and shift the locus of power.

Neoliberalism sees competition as the defining characteristic of human relations. It redefines citizens as consumers, whose democratic choices are best exercised by buying and selling, a process that rewards merit and punishes inefficiency. It maintains that “the market” delivers benefits that could never be achieved by planning.

Attempts to limit competition are treated as inimical to liberty. Tax and regulation should be minimised, public services should be privatised. The organisation of labour and collective bargaining by trade unions are portrayed as market distortions that impede the formation of a natural hierarchy of winners and losers. Inequality is recast as virtuous: a reward for utility and a generator of wealth, which trickles down to enrich everyone. Efforts to create a more equal society are both counterproductive and morally corrosive. The market ensures that everyone gets what they deserve.

We internalise and reproduce its creeds. The rich persuade themselves that they acquired their wealth through merit, ignoring the advantages – such as education, inheritance and class – that may have helped to secure it. The poor begin to blame themselves for their failures, even when they can do little to change their circumstances.

Never mind structural unemployment: if you don’t have a job it’s because you are unenterprising. Never mind the impossible costs of housing: if your credit card is maxed out, you’re feckless and improvident. Never mind that your children no longer have a school playing field: if they get fat, it’s your fault. In a world governed by competition, those who fall behind become defined and self-defined as losers.

Among the results, as Paul Verhaeghe documents in his book What About Me? are epidemics of self-harm, eating disorders, depression, loneliness, performance anxiety and social phobia. Perhaps it’s unsurprising that Britain, in which neoliberal ideology has been most rigorously applied, is the loneliness capital of Europe. We are all neoliberals now.

***

The term neoliberalism was coined at a meeting in Paris in 1938. Among the delegates were two men who came to define the ideology, Ludwig von Mises and Friedrich Hayek. Both exiles from Austria, they saw social democracy, exemplified by Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal and the gradual development of Britain’s welfare state, as manifestations of a collectivism that occupied the same spectrum as nazism and communism.

In The Road to Serfdom, published in 1944, Hayek argued that government planning, by crushing individualism, would lead inexorably to totalitarian control. Like Mises’s book Bureaucracy, The Road to Serfdom was widely read. It came to the attention of some very wealthy people, who saw in the philosophy an opportunity to free themselves from regulation and tax. When, in 1947, Hayek founded the first organisation that would spread the doctrine of neoliberalism – the Mont Pelerin Society – it was supported financially by millionaires and their foundations.

With their help, he began to create what Daniel Stedman Jones describes in Masters of the Universe as “a kind of neoliberal international”: a transatlantic network of academics, businessmen, journalists and activists. The movement’s rich backers funded a series of thinktanks which would refine and promote the ideology. Among them were the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute, the Institute of Economic Affairs, the Centre for Policy Studies and the Adam Smith Institute. They also financed academic positions and departments, particularly at the universities of Chicago and Virginia.

As it evolved, neoliberalism became more strident. Hayek’s view that governments should regulate competition to prevent monopolies from forming gave way – among American apostles such as Milton Friedman – to the belief that monopoly power could be seen as a reward for efficiency.

Something else happened during this transition: the movement lost its name. In 1951, Friedman was happy to describe himself as a neoliberal. But soon after that, the term began to disappear. Stranger still, even as the ideology became crisper and the movement more coherent, the lost name was not replaced by any common alternative.

At first, despite its lavish funding, neoliberalism remained at the margins. The postwar consensus was almost universal: John Maynard Keynes’s economic prescriptions were widely applied, full employment and the relief of poverty were common goals in the US and much of western Europe, top rates of tax were high and governments sought social outcomes without embarrassment, developing new public services and safety nets.

But in the 1970s, when Keynesian policies began to fall apart and economic crises struck on both sides of the Atlantic, neoliberal ideas began to enter the mainstream. As Friedman remarked, “when the time came that you had to change ... there was an alternative ready there to be picked up”. With the help of sympathetic journalists and political advisers, elements of neoliberalism, especially its prescriptions for monetary policy, were adopted by Jimmy Carter’s administration in the US and Jim Callaghan’s government in Britain.

After Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan took power, the rest of the package soon followed: massive tax cuts for the rich, the crushing of trade unions, deregulation, privatisation, outsourcing and competition in public services. Through the IMF, the World Bank, the Maastricht treaty and the World Trade Organisation, neoliberal policies were imposed – often without democratic consent – on much of the world. Most remarkable was its adoption among parties that once belonged to the left: Labour and the Democrats, for example. As Stedman Jones notes, “it is hard to think of another utopia to have been as fully realised.”

***

It may seem strange that a doctrine promising choice and freedom should have been promoted with the slogan “there is no alternative”. But, as Hayek remarked on a visit to Pinochet’s Chile – one of the first nations in which the programme was comprehensively applied – “my personal preference leans toward a liberal dictatorship rather than toward a democratic government devoid of liberalism”. The freedom that neoliberalism offers, which sounds so beguiling when expressed in general terms, turns out to mean freedom for the pike, not for the minnows.

Freedom from trade unions and collective bargaining means the freedom to suppress wages. Freedom from regulation means the freedom to poison rivers, endanger workers, charge iniquitous rates of interest and design exotic financial instruments. Freedom from tax means freedom from the distribution of wealth that lifts people out of poverty.

As Naomi Klein documents in The Shock Doctrine, neoliberal theorists advocated the use of crises to impose unpopular policies while people were distracted: for example, in the aftermath of Pinochet’s coup, the Iraq war and Hurricane Katrina, which Friedman described as “an opportunity to radically reform the educational system” in New Orleans.

Where neoliberal policies cannot be imposed domestically, they are imposed internationally, through trade treaties incorporating “investor-state dispute settlement”: offshore tribunals in which corporations can press for the removal of social and environmental protections. When parliaments have voted to restrict sales of cigarettes, protect water supplies from mining companies, freeze energy bills or prevent pharmaceutical firms from ripping off the state, corporations have sued, often successfully. Democracy is reduced to theatre.

Another paradox of neoliberalism is that universal competition relies upon universal quantification and comparison. The result is that workers, job-seekers and public services of every kind are subject to a pettifogging, stifling regime of assessment and monitoring, designed to identify the winners and punish the losers. The doctrine that Von Mises proposed would free us from the bureaucratic nightmare of central planning has instead created one.

Neoliberalism was not conceived as a self-serving racket, but it rapidly became one. Economic growth has been markedly slower in the neoliberal era (since 1980 in Britain and the US) than it was in the preceding decades; but not for the very rich. Inequality in the distribution of both income and wealth, after 60 years of decline, rose rapidly in this era, due to the smashing of trade unions, tax reductions, rising rents, privatisation and deregulation.

The privatisation or marketisation of public services such as energy, water, trains, health, education, roads and prisons has enabled corporations to set up tollbooths in front of essential assets and charge rent, either to citizens or to government, for their use. Rent is another term for unearned income. When you pay an inflated price for a train ticket, only part of the fare compensates the operators for the money they spend on fuel, wages, rolling stock and other outlays. The rest reflects the fact that they have you over a barrel.

Those who own and run the UK’s privatised or semi-privatised services make stupendous fortunes by investing little and charging much. In Russia and India, oligarchs acquired state assets through firesales. In Mexico, Carlos Slim was granted control of almost all landline and mobile phone services and soon became the world’s richest man.

Financialisation, as Andrew Sayer notes in Why We Can’t Afford the Rich, has had a similar impact. “Like rent,” he argues, “interest is ... unearned income that accrues without any effort”. As the poor become poorer and the rich become richer, the rich acquire increasing control over another crucial asset: money. Interest payments, overwhelmingly, are a transfer of money from the poor to the rich. As property prices and the withdrawal of state funding load people with debt (think of the switch from student grants to student loans), the banks and their executives clean up.

Sayer argues that the past four decades have been characterised by a transfer of wealth not only from the poor to the rich, but within the ranks of the wealthy: from those who make their money by producing new goods or services to those who make their money by controlling existing assets and harvesting rent, interest or capital gains. Earned income has been supplanted by unearned income.

Neoliberal policies are everywhere beset by market failures. Not only are the banks too big to fail, but so are the corporations now charged with delivering public services. As Tony Judt pointed out in Ill Fares the Land, Hayek forgot that vital national services cannot be allowed to collapse, which means that competition cannot run its course. Business takes the profits, the state keeps the risk.

The greater the failure, the more extreme the ideology becomes. Governments use neoliberal crises as both excuse and opportunity to cut taxes, privatise remaining public services, rip holes in the social safety net, deregulate corporations and re-regulate citizens. The self-hating state now sinks its teeth into every organ of the public sector.

Perhaps the most dangerous impact of neoliberalism is not the economic crises it has caused, but the political crisis. As the domain of the state is reduced, our ability to change the course of our lives through voting also contracts. Instead, neoliberal theory asserts, people can exercise choice through spending. But some have more to spend than others: in the great consumer or shareholder democracy, votes are not equally distributed. The result is a disempowerment of the poor and middle. As parties of the right and former left adopt similar neoliberal policies, disempowerment turns to disenfranchisement. Large numbers of people have been shed from politics.

Chris Hedges remarks that “fascist movements build their base not from the politically active but the politically inactive, the ‘losers’ who feel, often correctly, they have no voice or role to play in the political establishment”. When political debate no longer speaks to us, people become responsive instead to slogans, symbols and sensation. To the admirers of Trump, for example, facts and arguments appear irrelevant.

Judt explained that when the thick mesh of interactions between people and the state has been reduced to nothing but authority and obedience, the only remaining force that binds us is state power. The totalitarianism Hayek feared is more likely to emerge when governments, having lost the moral authority that arises from the delivery of public services, are reduced to “cajoling, threatening and ultimately coercing people to obey them”.

***

Like communism, neoliberalism is the God that failed. But the zombie doctrine staggers on, and one of the reasons is its anonymity. Or rather, a cluster of anonymities.

The invisible doctrine of the invisible hand is promoted by invisible backers. Slowly, very slowly, we have begun to discover the names of a few of them. We find that the Institute of Economic Affairs, which has argued forcefully in the media against the further regulation of the tobacco industry, has been secretly funded by British American Tobacco since 1963. We discover that Charles and David Koch, two of the richest men in the world, founded the institute that set up the Tea Party movement. We find that Charles Koch, in establishing one of his thinktanks, noted that “in order to avoid undesirable criticism, how the organisation is controlled and directed should not be widely advertised”.

The words used by neoliberalism often conceal more than they elucidate. “The market” sounds like a natural system that might bear upon us equally, like gravity or atmospheric pressure. But it is fraught with power relations. What “the market wants” tends to mean what corporations and their bosses want. “Investment”, as Sayer notes, means two quite different things. One is the funding of productive and socially useful activities, the other is the purchase of existing assets to milk them for rent, interest, dividends and capital gains. Using the same word for different activities “camouflages the sources of wealth”, leading us to confuse wealth extraction with wealth creation.

A century ago, the nouveau riche were disparaged by those who had inherited their money. Entrepreneurs sought social acceptance by passing themselves off as rentiers. Today, the relationship has been reversed: the rentiers and inheritors style themselves entre preneurs. They claim to have earned their unearned income.

These anonymities and confusions mesh with the namelessness and placelessness of modern capitalism: the franchise model which ensures that workers do not know for whom they toil; the companies registered through a network of offshore secrecy regimes so complex that even the police cannot discover the beneficial owners; the tax arrangements that bamboozle governments; the financial products no one understands.

The anonymity of neoliberalism is fiercely guarded. Those who are influenced by Hayek, Mises and Friedman tend to reject the term, maintaining – with some justice – that it is used today only pejoratively. But they offer us no substitute. Some describe themselves as classical liberals or libertarians, but these descriptions are both misleading and curiously self-effacing, as they suggest that there is nothing novel about The Road to Serfdom, Bureaucracy or Friedman’s classic work, Capitalism and Freedom.

***

For all that, there is something admirable about the neoliberal project, at least in its early stages. It was a distinctive, innovative philosophy promoted by a coherent network of thinkers and activists with a clear plan of action. It was patient and persistent. The Road to Serfdom became the path to power.

Neoliberalism’s triumph also reflects the failure of the left. When laissez-faire economics led to catastrophe in 1929, Keynes devised a comprehensive economic theory to replace it. When Keynesian demand management hit the buffers in the 70s, there was an alternative ready. But when neoliberalism fell apart in 2008 there was ... nothing. This is why the zombie walks. The left and centre have produced no new general framework of economic thought for 80 years.

Every invocation of Lord Keynes is an admission of failure. To propose Keynesian solutions to the crises of the 21st century is to ignore three obvious problems. It is hard to mobilise people around old ideas; the flaws exposed in the 70s have not gone away; and, most importantly, they have nothing to say about our gravest predicament: the environmental crisis. Keynesianism works by stimulating consumer demand to promote economic growth. Consumer demand and economic growth are the motors of environmental destruction.

What the history of both Keynesianism and neoliberalism show is that it’s not enough to oppose a broken system. A coherent alternative has to be proposed. For Labour, the Democrats and the wider left, the central task should be to develop an economic Apollo programme, a conscious attempt to design a new system, tailored to the demands of the 21st century.

I think someone said on here a few weeks back that many books will be written on this election, I think many things will be written on this year of political history tbh

[Kizzy]

It begins.....


The Republicans are already working to repeal Obamacare and expect to do so soon.

Majority leader Mitch McConnell has said that the party's representatives will swiftly repeal the healthcare legislation, which has guaranteed care to millions of people. He made the statement after it emerged that Donald Trump would be the new President of the United States, and that the Republicans had kept control of the legislature.

"It's pretty high on our agenda as you know," Mr McConell said in the aftermath of the election, according to Politico. "I would be shocked if we didn't move forward and keep our commitment to the American people."


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/obamacare-donald-trump-presidential-us-election-mitch-mcconnell-a7408381.html

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/11/10/01/article-3922032-3A377DBF00000578-457_964x467.jpg

bless His mother in Scotland

[arista]

"The Republicans are already working to repeal Obamacare and expect to do so soon."

Bloody Right , Lady
it FAILED the young ignored it


Barrack are great Talker - Failed to Complete things

Trump a Business Executive - WILL BUILD THE WALL

Bliss

[arista]

{I doubt we'll see 'the wall'}

MTVN
as Massive Wall is a Work of Art
Plans are already on his Desk

[arista]

"Why has the left failed
to come up with an alternative?"

Simple Jack
Dumb Feckers Killed off Bernie
stuck with Sludge Corrupt Clinton Bitch
and bonus Corrupt Sex Offender Husband
and LOST

[empire]

I could see him winning some time ago, trump did not spend any where near in what the clinton foundation had spent on hillary's campaign, trump's rallies outnumbered hillary's, the whole year, but the media played with the polls just like are very own brexit polls who said that the yes vote would win the election night,

[arista]

"I could see him winning some time ago, "

Yes empire
me as well

[kirklancaster]

I doubt we'll see 'the wall' as it was sold originally but there are already walls and barriers along about a third of the US-Mexico border so its not crazy to think that will be significantly extended. It's also not vastly different to other countries if you look at European countries who have erected fences along their entire borders this year and Israel who have a wall on their border.

Exactly Matt - and if the wall is extended, the US Border Authorities will be able to devote more of their resources to finding the labyrinth of drug and people smuggling tunnels which are being continuously dug from the Mexican side of the border into the USA.

[kirklancaster]

It begins.....


The Republicans are already working to repeal Obamacare and expect to do so soon.

Majority leader Mitch McConnell has said that the party's representatives will swiftly repeal the healthcare legislation, which has guaranteed care to millions of people. He made the statement after it emerged that Donald Trump would be the new President of the United States, and that the Republicans had kept control of the legislature.

"It's pretty high on our agenda as you know," Mr McConell said in the aftermath of the election, according to Politico. "I would be shocked if we didn't move forward and keep our commitment to the American people."


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/obamacare-donald-trump-presidential-us-election-mitch-mcconnell-a7408381.html

Of course it begins. 'Obamacare' brought NOTHING to anyone. It is a very unfair, very costly failed policy.

[kirklancaster]

I remarked last night that a lot of interviews with Trump supporters just highlight some of the failures of neoliberalism and help to explain the success of his campaign. Well I just stumbled upon this article (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot) from back in April (pre-Brexit too!) that's gaining traction since last night, and it's a powerful (albeit long) read :clap1:



I think someone said on here a few weeks back that many books will be written on this election, I think many things will be written on this year of political history tbh

I actually read this months ago Jack. It is a great read and very illuminating and thought provoking. It hits a lot of nails on a lot of heads.

[empire]

she knew that she was not going to win it weeks back, the vital states that trump won, hillary knew the real polls in those states, and it was already clear that the election was already over before it had started, she stopped the victory fireworks display two days before the election,

[Crimson Dynamo]

Look at the headline.....



:joker:




http://www.buchanobserver.co.uk/

[Livia]

LOL... most tenuous Trump-related claim of the election so far.

[Crimson Dynamo]

LOL... most tenuous Trump-related claim of the election so far.

Its like after the Titanic sunk the Courier (Dundee) ran the headline

"Dundee man lost at sea"

:joker:

[kirklancaster]

Look at the headline.....



:joker:




http://www.buchanobserver.co.uk/

:laugh::laugh::laugh: It is truer than a lot of the crap which has been spouted during this election though.

[Livia]

Its like after the Titanic sunk the Courier (Dundee) ran the headline

"Dundee man lost at sea"

:joker:

LMAO.... That's so stupid it has to be true.

[Crimson Dynamo]

LyrE6aO1nHY

5.35 on a classic meltdown

:joker:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Racists, fascist, sexists legitimised. Every politician is corrupt. Soon Trump will be corrupt and a dumbass and Putin's butt buddy in the process as his air head ****** wife looks for more speeches to steal and even after still can't read them well.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

LyrE6aO1nHY

5.35 on a classic meltdown

:joker:

Legit concerns as every day hillbillies feel they are legit in being racist and sexist and whatever else Trump in power makes them feel they are entitled to. Trump won't have to deal with it up there in the Oval Office while face timing with Putin.

[Niamh.]

Legit concerns as every day hillbillies feel they are legit in being racist and sexist and whatever else Trump in power makes them feel they are entitled to. Trump won't have to deal with it up there in the Oval Office while face timing with Putin.

This is the truth, it's validation for all those "isms" As a woman, I just can not fathom how any woman voted for the pig

[kirklancaster]

This is the truth, it's validation for all those "isms" As a woman, I just can not fathom how any woman voted for the pig

But then, on another thread, how do we equate that gang of blacks beating and kicking an elderly white man just because he voted for Trump ? Is THAT not racism from Clinton supporters?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

This is the truth, it's validation for all those "isms" As a woman, I just can not fathom how any woman voted for the pig

some women are as sexist or as patriachich as some men. They don't care if a man wants to grab you by the vagina or rape you and if he did you probably deserved it. Trumps sexism mean nothing to those women.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

But then, on another thread, how do we equate that gang of blacks beating and kicking an elderly white man just because he voted for Trump ? Is THAT not racism from Clinton supporters?

If the white man said nothingn to provoke them (which I doubt), it's that sense of what him voting for Trump means and them feeling attacked since the old man wanted to make America white again.

[Northern Monkey]

So....The SJW's are taking it well.......

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Legit concerns as every day hillbillies feel they are legit in being racist and sexist and whatever else Trump in power makes them feel they are entitled to. Trump won't have to deal with it up there in the Oval Office while face timing with Putin.

sorry but calling people names and trying to seek the moral high-ground is just crazy?

[Crimson Dynamo]

If the white man said nothingn to provoke them (which I doubt), it's that sense of what him voting for Trump means and them feeling attacked since the old man wanted to make America white again.

:facepalm:


i cant believe you are trying to justify assault to try and suit your POV

[kirklancaster]

So....The SJW's are taking it well.......

NNi1hKi9Z5c

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Social Misfits. Mentally Deranged. Emotional Wrecks. Psychotic. - And some fecking hammy OTT BAD ACTORS thrown in for good measure.

SJW - Strictly Just Wankers.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

:facepalm:


i cant believe you are trying to justify assault to try and suit your POV

I'm not condoning violence. I wish there was no violence. But they must have engaged in some type of conversation before for them to know he voted Trump. Who knows what he said. I'm seeing various videos of white people feeling validated in saying things like " yeah ****** we bought you and now we want our money back. Vote Trump"

If these kids just go around randomly asking people who did you vote for and beat up whoever says Trump I would be surprised but if that's what they're doing then they better wear a cape because they have a lot of work to do:shrug:

[Livia]

If the white man said nothingn to provoke them (which I doubt), it's that sense of what him voting for Trump means and them feeling attacked since the old man wanted to make America white again.

LOL... right. So you're saying it's okay then. He might have "provoked" them so it's fine for them to beat him up.

You have no idea why the old man voted for Trump, the belief that people are being racist is just your default position.

I've read more nonsense on this forum today than I have for a while.

[Livia]

Legit concerns as every day hillbillies feel they are legit in being racist and sexist and whatever else Trump in power makes them feel they are entitled to. Trump won't have to deal with it up there in the Oval Office while face timing with Putin.

I once had a post removed for saying someone looked "like a redneck".

I'm pretty sure hillbillies is in the same area... But hey, what do I know about racism, right? Because my people run the banks and Hollywood.

[kirklancaster]

I once had a post removed for saying someone looked "like a redneck".

I'm pretty sure hillbillies is in the same area... But hey, what do I know about racism, right? Because my people run the banks and Hollywood.

:laugh: I wish mine fecking did. :laugh:

[arista]

Feck Me
Punk caller (LBC) from USA Left Hanger
said we must make sure this Never happens again
and he will talk to us?

Number 1 : its Democracy
Number 2 : The Clinton's are Dirty/Corrupt/ unwanted
Number 3 : You can not tell us "it must never happen again" as you have no right
Number 4: Lady DJ LBC on now: take note: Being a Women
had nothing to do with this.
Being a Corrupt Woman was the Problem.
Number 5: Next time Put Up a Woman that's not Criminal
and is Clever. or Bernie Alone



I backed first Ever Conserv /Lib Dem
UK Power 2010
I backed D.Cameron PM 2015
I backed GB Brexit June 2016
I backed USA Trump Nov 2016

All 4
are Winners


Do The MATH

[Livia]

:laugh: I wish mine fecking did. :laugh:

You can always convert... it's just magical being a Jew!

[kirklancaster]

Feck Me
Punk caller (LBC) from USA Left Hanger
said we must make sure this Never happens again
and he will talk to us?

Number 1 : its Democracy
Number 2 : The Clinton's are Dirty/Corrupt/ unwanted
Number 3 : You can not tell us "it must never happen again" as you have no right
Number 4: Lady DJ LBC on now: take note: Being a Women
had nothing to do with this.Being a Corrupt Woman was the Problem.
Number 5: Next time Put Up a Woman that's not Criminal
and is Clever.



I backed first Ever Conserv /Lib Dem 2010
I backed D. Cameron PM 2015
I backed Brexit June 2016
I backed Trump Nov 2016

All 4
are Winners


Do The MATH

Well done Arista. I backed 3 out of the four too.

[kirklancaster]

You can always convert... it's just magical being a Jew!

If I'd have been younger and single and you hadn't met that good looking Texan, I'd already be converted. :laugh:

[Cherie]

If the white man said nothingn to provoke them (which I doubt), it's that sense of what him voting for Trump means and them feeling attacked since the old man wanted to make America white again.

So that makes it okay for them to beat him up :facepalm: Blacks can do no wrong in your eyes

[jet]

:facepalm:


i cant believe you are trying to justify assault to try and suit your POV

The Apprentice President would approve....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCkQbASQWF0

[Brillopad]

I'm not condoning violence. I wish there was no violence. But they must have engaged in some type of conversation before for them to know he voted Trump. Who knows what he said. I'm seeing various videos of white people feeling validated in saying things like " yeah ****** we bought you and now we want our money back. Vote Trump"

If these kids just go around randomly asking people who did you vote for and beat up whoever says Trump I would be surprised but if that's what they're doing then they better wear a cape because they have a lot of work to do:shrug:

Absolutely no excuse! Two or more young guys attacking one older guy is pure cowardice. To imply he may have said something to deserve it is very weak.

[arista]

Racists, fascist, sexists legitimised. Every politician is corrupt. Soon Trump will be corrupt and a dumbass and Putin's butt buddy in the process as his air head ****** wife looks for more speeches to steal and even after still can't read them well.


Don't Forget
Bill Clinton Legitimised Sticking His Todger
in a Younger Womans Gob
His Wife, was not in That Private Room

[Brother Leon]

Good ol' Bernie has had his say

“Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media. People are tired of working longer hours for lower wages, of seeing decent paying jobs go to China and other low-wage countries, of billionaires not paying any federal income taxes and of not being able to afford a college education for their kids - all while the very rich become much richer.

“ To the degree that Mr. Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country, I and other progressives are prepared to work with him."

But his message added an important caveat.

“To the degree that he pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him.”

Mr Sanders’ statement will only bolster steadily growing calls for him to run in the 2020 election. His policies had a clear focus on closing the stark gap between the wealthy and those living in poverty across the US, creating access to free health care and education, creating a living wage, tackling racial inequality and introducing a “fair and humane” immigration policy.

Spot on. He warned the Democrats of this anger a year or so ago and it has happened. If Trump's willing to alter some of his views with the help of Bernie, then great. If not and let's face it, he won't, then I fully believe the Democrats will finally understand it is time to move on from Establishment and Corporate politics and embrace the Progressive values for the people. Just a sham it would have took a monumental **** up and handing the White House to Donald Trump to get to this point.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[kirklancaster]

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I honestly would have told him to feck of back to his own country if he felt that strongly anti-American. UNGRATEFUL ARROGANT BASTARD spouting utter crud.

[kirklancaster]

Good ol' Bernie has had his say


Spot on. He warned the Democrats of this anger a year or so ago and it has happened. If Trump's willing to alter some of his views with the help of Bernie, then great. If not and let's face it, he won't, then I fully believe the Democrats will finally understand it is time to move on from Establishment and Corporate politics and embrace the Progressive values for the people. Just a sham it would have took a monumental **** up and handing the White House to Donald Trump to get to this point.

I would have supported BERNIE to the max if HE had been running.

[user104658]

I would have supported BERNIE to the max if HE had been running.

I think he would have won, and I think he would have been a president to be remembered. Unfortunately, I think he will be too old to run in 2020.

[Niamh.]

I think he would have won, and I think he would have been a president to be remembered. Unfortunately, I think he will be too old to run in 2020.

How come he never won against Hillary then?

[user104658]

How come he never won against Hillary then?

Turnouts at the primaries are abysmal, usually somewhere in the region of 25%. Also, if I'm reading it right, US elections are decided massively based on the actual election campaigning. Hildawg just didn't offer a truly engaging alternative message to Trump... she represents the status quo... and people couldn't get behind it passionately enough for her to make it into the White House.

[edit]

Having looked it up, this year it was 28% and that is HIGH... it's often closer to 15% :umm2:.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hilary could not sell water in a drought

Donald sold his ideas much much better

Make America Great Again is brilliant, and unmeasurable :joker:

[user104658]

Hilary could not sell water in a drought

Donald sold his ideas much much better

Make America Great Again is brilliant, and unmeasurable :joker:
Well yes, he's a capitalist businessman in a nation of materialistic consumers.

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well yes, he's a capitalist businessman in a nation of materialistic consumers.

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

The business of america is business so maybe he will be a hit

[user104658]

The business of america is business so maybe he will be a hit

It is the AMERICAN waaay.

[reece(:]

https://www.facebook.com/superdeluxevideo/videos/303526673325223/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

Lmao

[Brillopad]

I honestly would have told him to feck of back to his own country if he felt that strongly anti-American. UNGRATEFUL ARROGANT BASTARD spouting utter crud.

Arrogant idiot who is probably a sexist pig, as most men from his culture are, and therefore in no position to get on his high horse with those he perceives as racist. Hypocritical prat who doesn't have people telling him what he can and can't wear.

Takes one 'ist' to know another, just doesn't like it when he feels on the receiving end of it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.facebook.com/superdeluxevideo/videos/303526673325223/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

Lmao

:joker:

that is brilliant

[arista]

http://e3.365dm.com/16/11/536x302/9706a3d60dd5f4953820704e34153e4c13131e0f70f30ac29b a8148b2f17fb8a_3828252.jpg?20161110175856
Mates again Trump at the white house today

[reece(:]

Obama has a tough job cut out for him in learning Trump all the ropes.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Trump looks confused as heck in the oval with Obama. I think it's starting to sink in what he's let himself in for. He started it as a joke to see how far he could go, that's why he was more vocal and honest about his views earlier on, but the further he went the more his ego wouldn't let him back down. I don't think he truly thought he would actually get elected. Malaria too has no idea what she's in for. She'll actually have to do some work now not just have surgery and pose provocatively.

[user104658]

Trump looks confused as heck in the oval with Obama. I think it's starting to sink in what he's let himself in for. He started it as a joke to see how far he could go, that's why he was more vocal and honest about his views earlier on, but the further he went the more his ego wouldn't let him back down. I don't think he truly thought he would actually get elected. Malaria too has no idea what she's in for. She'll actually have to do some work now not just have surgery and pose provocatively.
It's sort of hilarious :joker:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

So that makes it okay for them to beat him up :facepalm: Blacks can do no wrong in your eyes

I'm not condoning violence. I wish there was no violence. But they must have engaged in some type of conversation before for them to know he voted Trump. Who knows what he said. I'm seeing various videos of white people feeling validated in saying things like " yeah ****** we bought you and now we want our money back. Vote Trump"

If these kids just go around randomly asking people who did you vote for and beat up whoever says Trump I would be surprised but if that's what they're doing then they better wear a cape because they have a lot of work to do:shrug:

....

[empire]

the problem with the democratic party is that they are in bed with the global elites, and the clinton family have a huge stranglehold on the party that has been there for years, when trump was made leader of the republican party, he made the right moves, and got rid of the global elites and especially the bush families control over the party that lasted for a long time, but why could so many democratic supporters not see it from day one when hillary won the race for leadership of the party, and won it way too easily, why could they not stop and think that there is something wrong with the party, the democratic problems go back to the days of when bill was made president, as much as the problems of the republican party go back to george bush SR, the 90s and 2000s both parties where held by powerful families who got elected by money and power, democratic supporters can't condemn trump just because he made the right moves, where as the democrats still think money and powerful families can win the the power and get them in the white house.

[GiRTh]

zY3nRgEZTm8Everyone should watch this vid even if its 12 minutes long . Look at these chumps; just a month ago they were almost high fiving each other and speculating is HRc would get over 400 electoral votes. Now Joe had the nerve to have a go at everyone else in the media. All of them got it wrong and they should look inside at why they got it so wrong..

[Niamh.]

It's sort of hilarious :joker:

I saw a FB post the day before the results saying "be honest a small part of you wants Trump to win just to see what happens" :hehe:

[empire]

when bill was president, what did he and hillary do in there first act, sell thousands of jobs to china, and both made millions out of it, one thing the media could not admit that there was not a chance in hell that blue collar workers would vote for her, they knew she would sell off the car factories and other industrial areas to china and even mexico, under the NAFTA treaty that her husband had made years ago,

[Brother Leon]

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[Northern Monkey]

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:clap1:

[armand.kay]

But then, on another thread, how do we equate that gang of blacks beating and kicking an elderly white man just because he voted for Trump ? Is THAT not racism from Clinton supporters?

If the white man said nothingn to provoke them (which I doubt), it's that sense of what him voting for Trump means and them feeling attacked since the old man wanted to make America white again.
Hillary supporter have been proven to be about as, if not more hostile and aggressive as trump supporter have been. so I wouldn't be shocked if this attack was completely unprovoked.

The video kirk was talking about is probably more disgusting than anything I've seen from the trump rallied. The man in the video didn't seem to be at all hostile and was clearly trying to get back into his car and get away. How anyone can watch that video and not be both ashamed and enraged by the behaviour of the anti trump mob is beyond me.

[jet]

Hillary supporter have been proven to be about as, if not more hostile and aggressive as trump supporter have been. so I wouldn't be shocked if this attack was completely unprovoked.

The video kirk was talking about is probably more disgusting than anything I've seen from the trump rallied. The man in the video didn't seem to be at all hostile and was clearly trying to get back into his car and get away. How anyone can watch that video and not be both ashamed and enraged by the behaviour of the anti trump mob is beyond me.

Yes, of course it's a disgrace.

What do you think about Trump inciting and encouraging violence at his rallies?
At least Clinton didn't stoop that low.

[armand.kay]

Yes, of course it's a disgrace.

What do you think about Trump inciting and encouraging violence at his rallies?
At least Clinton didn't stoop that low.

I thought it was awful, I'm by no means trumps no #1 fan.

[Maru]

Annnnd he's back

http://i.imgur.com/gv9CpO1.jpg

[Ammi]

..just a little off topic..Mr A came home last night and he said 'we'll see..'..which is basically a life philosophy for both of us when it all feels grim with stuff...he said maybe we'll look back at Trump and Brexit being something that was actually some kind of turning point../..a path leading to etc and what seems awful now was actually ok as it all unfolded in time.../the world is pretty screwed up anyway and needs something to unscrew a little.../so it all feels a little less flat today...yep, we'll see...

[empire]

if hillary won, we and even this country would be arming for war with russia right now,

[Maru]

..just a little off topic..Mr A came home last night and he said 'we'll see..'..which is basically a life philosophy for both of us when it all feels grim with stuff...he said maybe we'll look back at Trump and Brexit being something that was actually some kind of turning point../..a path leading to etc and what seems awful now was actually ok as it all unfolded in time.../the world is pretty screwed up anyway and needs something to unscrew a little.../so it all feels a little less flat today...yep, we'll see...

That's sorta of how I try to see it, Ammi... I think :laugh: I kinda feel like we're repeating history in order to get to the future... if that makes sense... we're not used to social media and all these different parts of society being so close to connected to each other. After all, to be individualistic is to stand apart. The world is getting smaller day by day.

[Ammi]

That's sorta of how I try to see it, Ammi... I think :laugh: I kinda feel like we're repeating history in order to get to the future... if that makes sense... we're not used to social media and all these different parts of society being so close to connected to each other. After all, to be individualistic is to stand apart. The world is getting smaller day by day.

..I guess how I see it is that Mr A had a long drive../was tired and weary... and sometimes gets a little crazy and talks rubbish...

[empire]

obama did nothing for the inner cities, race relations crashed to really bad levels under him, his daughters went around the world in trips and stayed in expensive hotels all thanks to the american worker, obama and hillary made the biggest mistake and chastised the church going vote, because the church vote is not just a white vote but is a black and a south american vote as well, there votes helped obama win his place in the white house in 2009, one thing the liberal left do today is that they cherry pick and then they think thats what will win them there election, hillary thought that it would get her in the white house,

[Maru]

..I guess how I see it is that Mr A had a long drive../was tired and weary... and sometimes gets a little crazy and talks rubbish...

Eh, we're all entitled to that every once in a while... especially after Tuesday night

[user104658]

obama did nothing for the inner cities, race relations crashed to really bad levels under him, his daughters went around the world in trips and stayed in expensive hotels all thanks to the american worker, obama and hillary made the biggest mistake and chastised the church going vote, because the church vote is not just a white vote but is a black and a south american vote as well, there votes helped obama win his place in the white house in 2009, one thing the liberal left do today is that they cherry pick and then they think thats what will win them there election, hillary thought that it would get her in the white house,
"Clinton", "Left" :joker:. Oh yeah if there's one word to describe the Clinton's... It's clearly communist. Come on.

This is not (and hasn't ever been) a right/left issue.

[reece(:]

Legend spoke

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[Vicky.]

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I don't understand this, I mean why would women vote for a woman just because shes a woman?

[Brother Leon]

Legend spoke

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Maybe people were fed up of having to make do with voting for a lesser evil so they voted third party or not at all? Who can blame them really. Besides, Hilary provided no reasons to vote for her apart from the fact she wasn't Trump. That may have reduced Trump's numbers, but it didn't help her votes. Who is really going to queue for hours to vote for someone Who is "the lesser evil"?

[Jamie89]

I don't understand this, I mean why would women vote for a woman just because shes a woman?
I don't think most people do, as this election showed, but for those who do, I reckon it's more of a symbolic thing, like a vote against the 'glass ceiling' rather than it being a vote for someone just because they're female.

[empire]

hillary cried when she lost, but did she cry to the mothers of benghazi, did she cry to the mothers of east ukraine after she helped overthrow an elected government and replaced it with thugs, did she cry to the families of the syrian army who are fighting mercenaries who are backed up by her clinton foundation, No, will she admit that bill was wrong to attack the serbs in the late 90s, No, she blames everyone but herself, she blamed obama and even her own team, because she lost the election.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Can Trump prove he's not as despicable as we thought and publicly not condone the KKk parade set to take place in his honor? Comeon Trump do it for ''YOUR BLACKS''! Do it for Omarosa. :rolleyes:

[empire]

trump does not support the kkk, he has said it many times that he does not want there support, would he stop there parade yes, but he will still not be in the white house when it goes ahead, its out of his hands at this time, black trump voters will be happy to hear that two black republicans have taken two very top posts in his cabinet, he must be doing something right,

[reece(:]

President-elect Donald J. Trump won the White House with an outsider’s populist promise to “drain the swamp” of Washington.

Now, as he prepares to assume the presidency, an open question remains about the capital he repeatedly spurned: Just how much is he willing to become a part of it?

Mr. Trump, a homebody who often flew several hours late at night during the campaign so he could wake up in his own bed in Trump Tower, is talking with his advisers about how many nights a week he will spend in the White House. He has told them he would like to do what he is used to, which is spending time in New York when he can.

The questions reflect what Mr. Trump’s advisers described as the president-elect’s coming to grips with the fact that his life is about to change radically. They say that Mr. Trump, who was shocked when he won the election, might spend most of the week in Washington, much like members of Congress, and return to Trump Tower or his golf course in Bedminster, N.J., or his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach on weekends.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/politics/trump-president.html?_r=0&referer=

Mess, not a part timer

[Jamie89]

trump does not support the kkk, he has said it many times that he does not want there support, would he stop there parade yes, but he will still not be in the white house when it goes ahead, its out of his hands at this time, black trump voters will be happy to hear that two black republicans have taken two very top posts in his cabinet, he must be doing something right,

I can't link it because I'm on my phone but there's an interview of him during the campaign where he refuses to condemn them and refuses to state he doesn't want their vote. Maybe he back tracked after that because of advice he received though.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I can't link it because I'm on my phone but there's an interview of him during the campaign where he refuses to condemn them and refuses to state he doesn't want their vote. Maybe he back tracked after that because of advice he received though.

Yes this. He has yet to condemn them. Since he's so vocal about everything else it shouldn't be a problem. Wouldn't be surprised if he has private conversations with some members.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

, black trump voters will be happy to hear that two black republicans have taken two very top posts in his cabinet, he must be doing something right,

Hm not sure about that. Some of the black people who voted for Trump hate black people. Like that black boy in the viral video vs BLM guy and Stacey Rash

[joeysteele]

Yes this. He has yet to condemn them. Since he's so vocal about everything else it shouldn't be a problem. Wouldn't be surprised if he has private conversations with some members.

I understand this vile organisation of truly horrible individuals are planning a celebration of his victory.
If he does not totally disassociate himself from it and with no hesitation condemn it.
That will speak volumes about him.

Because really who, with even the tiniest shred of decency in them,would ever want in any way any support from that vile sect.

[Cal.]

Lindsay won.

[Cherie]

Yes this. He has yet to condemn them. Since he's so vocal about everything else it shouldn't be a problem. Wouldn't be surprised if he has private conversations with some members.

Disgusting that they are allowed to march in all honesty

[Vicky.]

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

Blacks riot, Muslims set bombs, gays spread AIDS, Mexican cartels behead children, atheists tear down Christmas trees. Meanwhile, those liberal Lena Dunhams in their $5,000-a-month apartments sip wine and say, "But those white Christians are the real problem!" Terror victims scream in the street next to their own severed limbs, and the response from the elites is to cry about how men should be allowed to use women's restrooms and how it's cruel to keep chickens in cages.

This is a ****ing fantastic article. I did not understand the Trump thing at all. yes I did think those voting for him were just racist/sexist/etc. But this...sets it all out in a way I can understand. And you know what...I totally get it, finally.

[empire]

the clinton foundation gets its millions from the saudis, and the saudi regime bought a number of american news companies like fox news, cnn, and many of them where fedding the democratic supporters with talk of hillary ahead in the polls, when in fact she was slipping down in parts of america, the clinton foundation spent 62 million where as trump spent only 16 million on his election front, the clintons thought big money would walk them into the white house, you have hollywood people, singers, celebs, who are in bed with the global elites, you have people like lena dunham, katy perry, beyonce, miley cyrus, who spout at the same time living in there rich bubbles,

[kirklancaster]

the clinton foundation gets its millions from the saudis, and the saudi regime bought a number of american news companies like fox news, cnn, and many of them where fedding the democratic supporters with talk of hillary ahead in the polls, when in fact she was slipping down in parts of america, the clinton foundation spent 62 million where as trump spent only 16 million on his election front, the clintons thought big money would walk them into the white house, you have hollywood people, singers, celebs, who are in bed with the global elites, you have people like lena dunham, katy perry, beyonce, miley cyrus, who spout at the same time living in there rich bubbles,

:clap1::clap1::clap1: You always speak so much truth and your posts are always very factual Empire.

[Alf]

http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/cobain-nirvana.jpg

[Niamh.]

http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/cobain-nirvana.jpg

Curt :hehe: Atleast get his name right


Didn't say that


CLAIM: Kurt Cobain endorsed Donald Trump in 1993.

FALSE

http://www.snopes.com/kurt-cobain-predicted-donald-trump-presidency-in-1993/

[Alf]

Curt :hehe: Atleast get his name right


Didn't say that


CLAIM: Kurt Cobain endorsed Donald Trump in 1993.

FALSE

http://www.snopes.com/kurt-cobain-predicted-donald-trump-presidency-in-1993/I know, I was just seeing if anyone would buy it.

I've just been reading people on twitter arguing over it.

[Niamh.]

I know, I was just seeing if anyone would buy it.

I've just been reading people on twitter arguing over it.

Kurt would never endorse someone like Trump :nono:

[Jack_]

This will be the longest, but best thing you'll read today (https://www.theguardian.com/membership/2016/nov/16/how-trump-took-middletown-muncie-election)

Quality journalism is alive and well :clap2:

[kirklancaster]

This will be the longest, but best thing you'll read today (https://www.theguardian.com/membership/2016/nov/16/how-trump-took-middletown-muncie-election)

Quality journalism is alive and well :clap2:

:clap1::clap1::clap1: There is so much TRUTH in this article and so much which mirrors a lot of my own thoughts. It is a truly great piece of writing.

[Ammi]

This will be the longest, but best thing you'll read today (https://www.theguardian.com/membership/2016/nov/16/how-trump-took-middletown-muncie-election)

Quality journalism is alive and well :clap2:

..(it wasn't as long as I thought it might be../..around 40 minutes-ish to fully absorb..)...it's an excellent read Jack and so much that I connect with in how many things just haven't been addressed so this is where we are in our disconnection with those around us.../which I think is greatly contributed to by the very reverse of this in journalism and the awful agitating/inciting media...

.. a few parts made me quite teary because they conjured up so much how there is no 'victory' or good feeling for anyone with what's been happening through the process and the results now and through so many years and generations..how it's all about loss and not being able to take/sustain the loss any more..they know Trump isn't the answer but it's all so broken and in so much despair for so many...

The result was dramatic; the fallout was tumultuous and the consequences will be dire and, for some, even deadly.



....all powerful words that explain so much but (I'm a picture person also..)...and this picture in the article speaks so much to me as well with what is being felt now and has been felt...we're abandoned and neglected and don't feel our purpose anymore so we may as well be broken by something/someone who doesn't represent the thing that has done this to us.../the establishment of our government...sadly many are not ,looking to a guy in a gold and glass house for a 'fix'../don't even like him or anything he stands for or anything he is/can'r associate with anything about him at all...he's just not what has made them feel abandoned is all..:sad:...


https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/13a49d767d9eebf42efa97349d40adaa1bff8bd7/0_200_5000_3001/master/5000.jpg?w=1125&q=20&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&dpr=2&

[Withano]

Trump pays $25mil to settle fake University lawsuits

[empire]

you have to understand that the clintons are very dangerous people, alot of people who investigated them or crossed them have died in strange circumstances, only two days ago a reporter was found dead, and that reporter was getting to deep into what the clinton foundation was doing, and the deaths of vincent foster and ron brown tell of what really happens in the political underworld,

[Maru]

This will be the longest, but best thing you'll read today (https://www.theguardian.com/membership/2016/nov/16/how-trump-took-middletown-muncie-election)

Quality journalism is alive and well :clap2:

These are the types of articles/readings I was waiting for post-election.. The Atlantic also writes some decent stuff.

So many books are going to be written about this election... we're living in interesting times for sure. Most of all I've been looking forward to the scholarly approach to this... when the dust settles, the focus on the soundbytes end, that's when the real analysis begins...

By the way I had mentioned mainstream's coverage of this... I can't remember what thread, if it was this one or not... pretty much almost word for word what I've seen... quite baffling imo...

We woke to a new normal. The object of our derision would soon have the nuclear codes. Gingerly, but deliberately, respect for the process, the office and its trappings, superseded the moral issue of what the victor had said and done en route to victory. Many of the very same people who, just the day before, said he was unfit for office, now told America to unite around him. Meanwhile, those who had not seen any of this coming confidently told us what we had seen and what would be coming next. Middletown had spoken. For reasons to do with class, gender, race, masculinity, disaffection, populism, elitism – or all of the above – it had made common cause with a garish New York City multimillionaire to send a message to the establishment. Reporters were dispatched not to test this thesis but illustrate it.

I don't care that their hypothesis is always correct. I just think so ridiculous to act as if nothing is wrong... then act like everything is wrong... then nothing is wrong... is giving me, the viewer, a feeling of backlash :laugh:. It's a mess...

[user104658]

So many books are going to be written about this election... we're living in interesting times for sure. Most of all I've been looking forward to the scholarly approach to this... when the dust settles, the focus on the soundbytes end, that's when the real analysis begins...


Captain Hindsight, to the rescuuue!

[Kizzy]

We live in a 'post fact era'..... good luck finding anyone who isn't worshiping at the altar of social media.

[James]

These are the types of articles/readings I was waiting for post-election.. The Atlantic also writes some decent stuff.

So many books are going to be written about this election... we're living in interesting times for sure. Most of all I've been looking forward to the scholarly approach to this... when the dust settles, the focus on the soundbytes end, that's when the real analysis begins...

By the way I had mentioned mainstream's coverage of this... I can't remember what thread, if it was this one or not... pretty much almost word for word what I've seen... quite baffling imo...



I don't care that their hypothesis is always correct. I just think so ridiculous to act as if nothing is wrong... then act like everything is wrong... then nothing is wrong... is giving me, the viewer, a feeling of backlash :laugh:. It's a mess...

Professor who has correctly predicted every US presidential election since 1984. His methods dismiss polling.

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Disclaimer: He could just be on a lucky streak, and we only notice because he has been right.

[James]

We live in a 'post fact era'..... good luck finding anyone who isn't worshiping at the altar of social media.

I think social media eg. Twitter is a pretty rubbish way to discuss politics.

For these reasons:


The 140 character limit (on Twitter) means nothing ever has to be explained or reasoned.
Confirmation bias - everyone follows people they agree with, and get followed by people that agree with them, so there is little discussion that challenges statements.
There is a lot of personal insults and less (or not as much as there shoould be) about policies and ideas.

[Maru]

Captain Hindsight, to the rescuuue!

:laugh:

Sad isn't it?

Professor who has correctly predicted every US presidential election since 1984. His methods dismiss polling.

8gLNFZA0h9A

Disclaimer: He could just be on a lucky streak, and we only notice because he has been right.

Oh I've seen this guy! I think it's been a while though, but I remember his "keys". I think even with a crystal ball in hand, we'd all be reluctant to have surely predicted this past election... :laugh:

There's another highly predictive "algorithm" (mock elections) too apparently but it recently failed.

University With 100% Accuracy Record Predicts Bernie Sanders Will Be America’s Next President
http://firebrandleft.com/university-100-accuracy-record-predicts-bernie-sanders-will-americas-next-president/

Then there is always Kreskin the mentalist

The Amazing Kreskin predicted Trump as winner of the 2016 presidential election in 2015
http://www.fox5dc.com/good-day/216503627-story1


Also why does Fox News always look like it's being filmed straight out of the 80-90s?

[Kizzy]

I think social media eg. Twitter is a pretty rubbish way to discuss politics.

For these reasons:


The 140 character limit (on Twitter) means nothing ever has to be explained or reasoned.
Confirmation bias - everyone follows people they agree with, and get followed by people that agree with them, so there is little discussion that challenges statements.
There is a lot of personal insults and less (or not as much as there shoould be) about policies and ideas.


nevertheless it is happening/ has happened. The media is full of tales of 'fake stories' atm, misinformation doing the rounds on social media that has no doubt been an influence for some.

[Maru]

I can't link it because I'm on my phone but there's an interview of him during the campaign where he refuses to condemn them and refuses to state he doesn't want their vote. Maybe he back tracked after that because of advice he received though.

His son has denounced David Duke as a bad person and basically said he deserved to be shot... but short of that, he doesn't appear to care to touch it. I understand in this way... he's not trying to be a reactionary. It doesn't support his platform of being the outsider... by not bucking to the press, he maintains that image. (until he trolls them for votes and more media coverage). And it worked... he got elected. By ignoring the zoo full of elephants in the room. :laugh: The media has been so easy to troll it's not even funny. All they had to do was stop covering him... what's that saying, don't feed the trolls? And yet they let him get through the entire primaries and win. All they had to do was maybe (depending on the state), register as a republican and vote him out. Simple. The Republican party didn't even want him, they would've gladly taken a lame duck. Instead, we now have an internet troll who not only is in the top office, but has access to nukes. We reap what we sew in my mind.

If he ends up turning the system upside down and doing some things that benefit us long-term... fine. He may not even make it past four years with his Twitter habits. Who knows. All the liberals have to do is let it all run it's course and they'll have a pretty nice platform to push whatever they push... however if they sit and bitch and moan and stall at every twist and turn. The people are going to get very frustrated and they'll only be giving the troll King more fuel. They have to listen this time. It can't just be, my way or the high way... or else we may end up with someone worse. Or worse. I'm cautiously hopeful... but at the same time, I'm resigned to watch the fireworks, because this is the road that was paved... so we might as well make the most of it.

[Kizzy]

Speaking of animals..... This Telegraph article ( I know right :/ ) is great

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/11/19/how-comrade-trump-will-lead-america-into-the-golden-future-time/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Donald takes on WOKE

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[Nicky91]

Donald takes on WOKE

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Trump is very much woke himself, another name i can add to the longlist i call him


mr woke orange clown baby :laugh3:

[user104658]

Donald takes on WOKE

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Why is there a laugh track on an interview :umm2:. America Americas Americanly I guess.

[user104658]

"I got to know Putin, and President Xi of China, and Kim Jong Un very well. They're at the top of their game."

Just straight-up admitting that he admires dictators and yet "freedom loving" Republicans are still crawling up his arse. You couldn't write it. Utterly bizarre.

[arista]

Gutfield is a Hour Comedy on FoxNewsHD
around 4AM UK time.

Trust Trump to go on it
as they are doing well.

Getting Top reviews

[Alf]

"I got to know Putin, and President Xi of China, and Kim Jong Un very well. They're at the top of their game."

Just straight-up admitting that he admires dictators and yet "freedom loving" Republicans are still crawling up his arse. You couldn't write it. Utterly bizarre.He named those three because they pose the biggest danger, and what he was saying is, they're not playing all the woke games, they're playing reality and they're playing to win, and they see us as weak.

[user104658]

He named those three because they pose the biggest danger, and what he was saying is, they're not playing all the woke games, they're playing reality and they're playing to win, and they see us as weak.

That's probably all true but he speaks about them with admiration, and that's a bit concerning given that all three are guilty of horrendous human rights abuses (and certainly don't stand for the "freedom" values that Trump supporters would say he does).

[Nicky91]

That's probably all true but he speaks about them with admiration, and that's a bit concerning given that all three are guilty of horrendous human rights abuses (and certainly don't stand for the "freedom" values that Trump supporters would say he does).

the same Trump supporters who prefer to be slaves for the orange moron over the ''freedom values''

example: of how low they go at obeying orders from their dictator - i mean master
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[Tom4784]

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[GoldHeart]

Trump doesn't know the meaning of the word democracy, of course he admires other dictators.

He's utterly insane and delusional. And he should never be allowed to run again in the next election.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And he should never be allowed to run again in the next election.

That sounds a bit dictatorial and undemocratic?