Debate about debates: is debating debatable? Debatably.

[user104658]

Since every thread at the moment seems to become about this topic within a few pages anyway, I thought we should just bite the bullet and have a thread about it.

Discuss.

[thesheriff443]

I don't waste my time debating issues we don't have any control over with people who don't have any control over the issues they are debating over.

[user104658]

I don't waste my time debating issues we don't have any control over with people who don't have any control over the issues they are debating over.
But you will debate debates, so you must feel that we have some control over debates, or at least the concept of debating itself? :think:

My main area of concern at the moment is pondering which gender debates mostly self-identify as... And also which area of the political compass they find themselves drawn towards. At what point do debates reach this level of self awareness and, to what extent do the debaters involved in each debate influence the overall personality of the inconclusion?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well we did debate that child migrants not being checked would and could lead to terrorism and it went the usual way "they are REFUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZ, where is the humanity????"

then a fake child migrant killed 12 and maimed a lot more in Berlin

that kind of shut that debate down and we did not hear much debating from that side


Some times reality debates for the win the best....

:smug:

[Brillopad]

Since every thread at the moment seems to become about this topic within a few pages anyway, I thought we should just bite the bullet and have a thread about it.

Discuss.

Everything is, or should be debatable. However the reality is that some subjects invoke such strength of feeling in many, on either side of the debate, that things can quickly deteriorate into discord and personal attacks out of frustration over the expression of some opposing views.

Political correctness also hinders the process as people become fixated on what is/is not an acceptable view to express which of course can be viewed as an attempt to dismiss and invalidate perfectly valid opinions.

People rarely really listen to each other and misunderstandings become commonplace.

[thesheriff443]

But you will debate debates, so you must feel that we have some control over debates, or at least the concept of debating itself? :think:

My main area of concern at the moment is pondering which gender debates mostly self-identify as... And also which area of the political compass they find themselves drawn towards. At what point do debates reach this level of self awareness and, to what extent do the debaters involved in each debate influence the overall personality of the inconclusion?

I have an opinion, it's worth the same as every other poster on here it's worth nothing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

also often you are debating with people still to live their lives and as such are still optimistic and idealistic and have not yet realised certain realities of life that come with experience, responsibility and commitment.

[user104658]

I have an opinion, it's worth the same as every other poster on here it's worth nothing.
So a sort of debating nihilism, then? People just butting heads for the sake of it... Or maybe for sport? But then, is doing something for sport necessarily worth nothing? From a nihilists perspective, isn't entertainment, whilst still meaningless, in fact worth everything to the individual?

[user104658]

also often you are debating with people still to live their lives and as such are still optimistic and idealistic and have not yet realised certain realities of life that come with experience, responsibility and commitment.
I agree to an extent but not totally. You're saying in pretty concrete terms that "with age comes wisdom" which is false - and demonstrably false in that you can take two people of the same age, at ANY age, and of comparable life experience, and find conflicting opinion. Thereby negating the possibility of some sort of universal accuracy in "wisdom".

You have to be careful about misidentifying entrenched opinion layered in confirmation bias as "knowledge", "experience" or "wisdom". Sometimes it's just the same old crap that was there in a person's earlier years, caked on and dried out into stinky cement.

[thesheriff443]

So a sort of debating nihilism, then? People just butting heads for the sake of it... Or maybe for sport? But then, is doing something for sport necessarily worth nothing? From a nihilists perspective, isn't entertainment, whilst still meaningless, in fact worth everything to the individual?

Considering most debates end in, infractions for insulting someone else's opinion because it's not the same as your opinion on a subject in wich no ones opinion means anything, I say it's like poking yourself in the eye over and over.

[Cherie]

Considering most debates end in, infractions for insulting someone else's opinion because it's not the same as your opinion on a subject in wich no ones opinion means anything, I say it's like poking yourself in the eye over and over.

:joker:

[Kizzy]

Well we did debate that child migrants not being checked would and could lead to terrorism and it went the usual way "they are REFUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZ, where is the humanity????"

then a fake child migrant killed 12 and maimed a lot more in Berlin

that kind of shut that debate down and we did not hear much debating from that side


Some times reality debates for the win the best....

:smug:


What side? The side that knows one radicalised individual cannot represent all Muslims/ refugees?
Mind you your 'proof' was a mail article, so forgive me for not bowing to the wisdom of the brownshirts.... their reliability as a reputable media source is debatable

[Kizzy]

Considering most debates end in, infractions for insulting someone else's opinion because it's not the same as your opinion on a subject in wich no ones opinion means anything, I say it's like poking yourself in the eye over and over.

Amen :worship:

[Withano]

I suggest that the opposite to all of the above posts are true, fyt me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What side? The side that knows one radicalised individual cannot represent all Muslims/ refugees?
Mind you your 'proof' was a mail article, so forgive me for not bowing to the wisdom of the brownshirts.... their reliability as a reputable media source is debatable

No

what we must do is just check the validity of the "bad ones" and let the "good ones" go through unchecked.

I will alert the authorities on this breakthrough

[Withano]

also often you are debating with people who have lived their lives and as such are stuck in the past and can not realise certain realities of modern life that comes with an open mind, responsibility and commitment.

.

[user104658]

This thread is sooo meta. Giving me a little tickle down my spine.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This thread is sooo meta. Giving me a little tickle down my spine.

I think we jumped the meta shark already

:think:

[user104658]

I think we jumped the meta shark already

:think:
Metalodon.

Though that sounds like a Transformer tbh :think:

[Cherie]

What side? The side that knows one radicalised individual cannot represent all Muslims/ refugees?
Mind you your 'proof' was a mail article, so forgive me for not bowing to the wisdom of the brownshirts.... their reliability as a reputable media source is debatable

It would be nice if all this not tarring with the same brush extended as far as Christian priests but hey ho you can't have it all I suppose

[Cherie]

I'm disappointed LT hasn't pulled out the mass debate joke, what is the world coming to when you can rely on LT for old favourites :fist:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm disappointed LT hasn't pulled out the mass debate joke, what is the world coming to when you can rely on LT for old favourites :fist:


I did not think I could.. pull it off

[arista]

TS
up himself?

No Debate
Chuck this on Chat And Games TS

[arista]

"what extent do the debaters involved in each debate influence the overall personality of the inconclusion?"



TS do you have Inner Conflicts?

[arista]

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[user104658]

TS do you have Inner Conflicts?

Don't we all? :shrug:

[Vicky.]

I don't waste my time debating issues we don't have any control over with people who don't have any control over the issues they are debating over.

But...general conversation in life wouldn't happen if we all thought like this :p If you could only talk about things you personally have control over...the list is pretty short for most people. Unless we have Theresa May or something posting on here...

Weathers nice isn't it?
I have no influence over the weather so cannot possibly comment.
:umm2:

[arista]

Don't we all? :shrug:


No
I am with Trump
TS

[thesheriff443]

But...general conversation in life wouldn't happen if we all thought like this :p If you could only talk about things you personally have control over...the list is pretty short for most people. Unless we have Theresa May or something posting on here...

Weathers nice isn't it?
I have no influence over the weather so cannot possibly comment.
:umm2:

I have general conversations in life and on here!, but I don't want to debate the weather!

[Vicky.]

I have general conversations in life and on here!, but I don't want to debate the weather!

I debated the weather with my 4 year old daughter this morning. Got pretty heated tbh. She was convinced that frost was snow and thought I was just being mean for saying she could not build a snowman :(

[thesheriff443]

I debated the weather with my 4 year old daughter this morning. Got pretty heated tbh. She was convinced that frost was snow and thought I was just being mean for saying she could not build a snowman :(

Did you ban them from certain parts of the house?

[Kizzy]

It would be nice if all this not tarring with the same brush extended as far as Christian priests but hey ho you can't have it all I suppose

Have you a point to make about preists? let's debate it...

[Vicky.]

Did you ban them from certain parts of the house?

erm..no? :umm2:

[user104658]

erm..no? :umm2:
Rubbish parenting then tbh.

[Josy]

Debatable imo

[Kizzy]

I debated the weather with my 4 year old daughter this morning. Got pretty heated tbh. She was convinced that frost was snow and thought I was just being mean for saying she could not build a snowman :(

why didn't you let her try? That way she got to learn a lesson and you get your path swept...win win :)

[Northern Monkey]

Well it's fun innit?Futile but fun.I mean a load of Big Brother fans aren't gonna change the world.We're not in parliament.We can't even change each others opinions.
Shouting our unchangeable opinions at each other and being pulled into cryptic circular mazes of confusion until our brains are so fatigued that one or both parties gives up or 'agrees to differ' is just summat to do until BB starts.Then we can pick a team(housemate) and vigorously fight for their honour even if we don't even like them but it's too late because we've already nailed our colours to the mast.

[user104658]

Well it's fun innit?Futile but fun.I mean a load of Big Brother fans aren't gonna change the world.We're not in parliament.We can't even change each others opinions.
Shouting our unchangeable opinions at each other and being pulled into cryptic circular mazes of confusion until our brains are so fatigued that one or both parties gives up or 'agrees to differ' is just summat to do until BB starts.Then we can pick a team(housemate) and vigorously fight for their honour even if we don't even like them but it's too late because we've already nailed our colours to the mast.
****. That's bleak. Think I'm leaving now :umm2:

[Kizzy]

Well it's fun innit?Futile but fun.I mean a load of Big Brother fans aren't gonna change the world.We're not in parliament.We can't even change each others opinions.
Shouting our unchangeable opinions at each other and being pulled into cryptic circular mazes of confusion until our brains are so fatigued that one or both parties gives up or 'agrees to differ' is just summat to do until BB starts.Then we can pick a team(housemate) and vigorously fight for their honour even if we don't even like them but it's too late because we've already nailed our colours to the mast.

You change the world in the way you raise your pot lids, and if you don't have any how you act and interact with others around you. If that's negative then I'm a firm believer that draws more negativity to you, in effect we choose the world we live in.
We do influence each other, why only today I influenced you to use the term 'nail our colours to the mast' ... It's nice to know what I say resonates on such a subconscious level :hee:

[Vicky.]

why didn't you let her try? That way she got to learn a lesson and you get your path swept...win win :)

I was late for hospital and she was singing the frozen song whilst randomly stopping to yell 'snowman!!' at me and I just didn't have time :joker: When we got back the frost was gone too.

When there is snow, I would bet my left tit that she won't touch it to actually build a snowman as she hates cold things :facepalm:

[Withano]

Weathers nice isn't it?
I have no influence over the weather so cannot possibly comment.
:umm2:

I genuinely cant wait to say this to someone the next time someone brings it up! Thats hilarious

[Northern Monkey]

You change the world in the way you raise your pot lids, and if you don't have any how you act and interact with others around you. If that's negative then I'm a firm believer that draws more negativity to you, in effect we choose the world we live in.
We do influence each other, why only today I influenced you to use the term 'nail our colours to the mast' ... It's nice to know what I say resonates on such a subconscious level :hee:

I knew i'd read that somewhere when i typed it:laugh:

[Kizzy]

I knew i'd read that somewhere when i typed it:laugh:

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[Cherie]

I did not think I could.. pull it off

Titter

[user104658]

Titter
How did this thread become about LT pulling it off on people's titters.

That's the third time this week :think:

[Crimson Dynamo]

you cant debate the weather. the weather just is, its not debatable

:nono:

Also Vicky you should have punished your daughter for meteorological inaccuracy.

[Cherie]

How did this thread become about LT pulling it off on people's titters.

That's the third time this week :think:

It's the circle of TiBB

[user104658]

you cant debate the weather. the weather just is, its not debatable

:nono:

Also Vicky you should have punished your daughter for meteorological inaccuracy.
Yeah Vicky, if you live where LT lives and you don't learn early about snow, you're not gonna make it. You're gonna have to move to the big smoke and be a namby-pamby yuppie city slicker.

[Kizzy]

But...general conversation in life wouldn't happen if we all thought like this :p If you could only talk about things you personally have control over...the list is pretty short for most people. Unless we have Theresa May or something posting on here...

Weathers nice isn't it?
I have no influence over the weather so cannot possibly comment.
:umm2:

D: I think it's Cherie!

Get out of here Cherie May!! :fist:

[Cherie]

D: I think it's Cherie!

Get out of here Cherie May!! :fist:

:oh: my political views are centerist :hmph: sometimes I lean left, sometimes right, but generally I'm standing in the middle :laugh:

[Kizzy]

:oh: my political views are centerist :hmph: sometimes I lean left, sometimes right, but generally I'm standing in the middle :laugh:

Watch out for those splinters then :wink:

[jaxie]

Everything is, or should be debatable. However the reality is that some subjects invoke such strength of feeling in many, on either side of the debate, that things can quickly deteriorate into discord and personal attacks out of frustration over the expression of some opposing views.

Political correctness also hinders the process as people become fixated on what is/is not an acceptable view to express which of course can be viewed as an attempt to dismiss and invalidate perfectly valid opinions.

People rarely really listen to each other and misunderstandings become commonplace.

I kind of agree with this. I also think that more diverse point of views can be driven away from the forum and the diversity is interesting. We can listen even if we disagree.