Muslim does not equal terrorist

[DemolitionRed]

As I am sure we can all agree religious belief does not equal inherent threat, terrorists are war mongers that have forsaken any right to claim their actions can be in the name of anything other than pathetic, inhumane worthlessness.

This article could use a little more exposure.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/20-million-muslims-march-against-isis/

[Brillopad]

Cynical and proud of it.

[the truth]

about as insightful as saying the moon isnt a balloon

[Cherie]

That's right, however it doesn't take away form the fact that most active terrorists at the moment are Muslim, just like back in the day not all Irish people were terrorists but most active terrorists were Irish, so I don't see the need to sweep it under the carpet :umm2:

[jaxie]

That's right, however it doesn't take away form the fact that most active terrorists at the moment are Muslim, just like back in the day not all Irish people were terrorists but most active terrorists were Irish, so I don't see the need to sweep it under the carpet :umm2:

:clap1:

[Cherie]

Most of the people affected by extremism are Muslims though. :umm2: Also Irish is a nationality, not a religion, completely different scale. There aren't billions of Irish people.


And? what difference does that make? , should I substitute Catholic for Irish would that make the analogy easier to understand? So because there are billions of Muslims some of theme can't be terrorists I don't get your point at all? Why can't we say it, we could say Irish terrorists, no one batted an eyelid

[Crimson Dynamo]

Most of the people affected by extremism are Muslims though. :umm2: Also Irish is a nationality, not a religion, completely different scale. There aren't billions of Irish people.

how many?

[DemolitionRed]

about as insightful as saying the moon isnt a balloon

For all the Muslim ranting we have on this site, I thought it only pertinent to give this article more exposure.

[DemolitionRed]

That's right, however it doesn't take away form the fact that most active terrorists at the moment are Muslim, just like back in the day not all Irish people were terrorists but most active terrorists were Irish, so I don't see the need to sweep it under the carpet :umm2:

Do you really believe Muslim terrorists news is swept under the carpet?

The reason I posted this article is because just about everything Muslims do and say against these murdering scumbags is studiously ignored by the media, but they were always anxious to give exposure to monsters like Anjem Choudary (who represents around 200 nutters) until he was locked up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

As I am sure we can all agree religious belief does not equal inherent threat, terrorists are war mongers that have forsaken any right to claim their actions can be in the name of anything other than pathetic, inhumane worthlessness.

This article could use a little more exposure.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/20-million-muslims-march-against-isis/

ISIS fully believe that they are following Islam and that others are wrong. The problem with believing is a fake deity is that you can interpretate the religion any way you want

The old "well they are not real muslims" is like the true scotsman fallacy

[Nicky91]

really i didn't know this lol :laugh: :joker:

[Northern Monkey]

Well Islam is a spectrum.Terrorists are on the fringes of that spectrum.They're still muslim.
It's true that muslim doesn't equal terrorist but terrorist usually equals muslim.

[arista]

Sure DR
but Extreme Isis Muslim's are the Terrorists
that matter to France and the World

[DemolitionRed]

This isn't about what ISIS is or what the Muslim faith represents; its about Muslim involvement in an effort to condemn ISIS. I know this doesn't sit well with some of you but for once can you just try to have a little understanding and compassion.

On that note, I'm going to work.

[Livia]

If you take a look at the FBI's list of most wanted terrorists you will see they're mostly "Muslim".

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists

Most people can understand that not all Muslims are terrorists but that a substantial number of terrorists are Muslim.

[Kizzy]

Yes I've seen that posted on the forum numerous times, as DR said there are literally billions of Muslims therefore if you inject some perspective it's not even relative.

[Kizzy]

And? what difference does that make? , should I substitute Catholic for Irish would that make the analogy easier to understand? So because there are billions of Muslims some of theme can't be terrorists I don't get your point at all? Why can't we say it, we could say Irish terrorists, no one batted an eyelid

We did say Irish terrorist but what was the history behind it? If ever there is terror or destabilisation there we are.
That's not anti British or an exaggeration, it's a fact...an uncomfortable one but a fact nevertheless.

[Livia]

It's been posted numerous times because apparently it doesn't sink in. What's the percentage of those "billions of Muslims" who are sympathetic to the terrorists?

This has been posted several times too... so don't click on it if you find it tedious.
Ry3NzkAOo3s

Like I said... not all Mulslims are terrorists but a significant number of terrorists are Muslim.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Islam and its unreformed state is wide open and always will be to extremism


Just ask any Muslim what the penalty for apostasy is

[Kizzy]

It's been posted numerous times because apparently it doesn't sink in. What's the percentage of those "billions of Muslims" who are sympathetic to the terrorists?

This has been posted several times too... so don't click on it if you find it tedious.
Ry3NzkAOo3s

Like I said... not all Mulslims are terrorists but a significant number of terrorists are Muslim.

What an obnoxious woman, her monologue does not address the issue raised by the lady in the audience, what does it achieve?

If, and this is a big if,there were as many Muslims as could fill America hell bent on the destruction of the west then where are they? There have been over many years the odd disjointed attack that in the west has come from 'home grown' terrorists or converts.

If diplomacy is not the answer and conflict is the only recourse then that would only be viable if this 25% of which she speaks were in the same place... but they are not are they? (if they exist that is)
Those who are experiencing the affects of conflict in the concentrated areas of focus are predominantly the peaceful, how is this justified?

[user104658]

This has been posted several times too... so don't click on it if you find it tedious.
Ry3NzkAOo3s

Like I said... not all Mulslims are terrorists but a significant number of terrorists are Muslim.

Every time I see it I'm in awe of her ability to puff her trumpet for 3+ minutes and not only fail to answer the question... but not even vaguely acknowledge the question in the first place. Which was;

"My question is how can we fight an ideological war with weapons? How can we ever end this thing if you don't address it ideologically."

Angry Lady decides to imagine that this lady's main point was that most Muslims are peaceful. It wasn't. She even said my question is. She had a very valid question. The answer of course being that you cannot fight an ideology with guns and bombs. But angry ranty lady doesn't want to admit that gradual diplomacy and embracing, rather than demonising, the majority of the Muslim population is the only permanent way to fight Islamic terrorism no matter how angry you happen to feel about the situation, and so she completely dodges the question and vents. And gets a standing ovation. Don't go on a question panel if you don't want to answer questions :facepalm:.

[Crimson Dynamo]

As a country we should be going round and closing mosques and educating children at schools that ALL GODS do not exist and teaching them the very best scientific peer reviewed knowledge we can

Systematically tackle this cancer of superstition at the root

[Crimson Dynamo]

Every time I see it I'm in awe of her ability to puff her trumpet for 3+ minutes and not only fail to answer the question... but not even vaguely acknowledge the question in the first place. Which was;

"My question is how can we fight an ideological war with weapons? How can we ever end this thing if you don't address it ideologically."

Angry Lady decides to imagine that this lady's main point was that most Muslims are peaceful. It wasn't. She even said my question is. She had a very valid question. The answer of course being that you cannot fight an ideology with guns and bombs. But angry ranty lady doesn't want to admit that gradual diplomacy and embracing, rather than demonising, the majority of the Muslim population is the only permanent way to fight Islamic terrorism no matter how angry you happen to feel about the situation, and so she completely dodges the question and vents. And gets a standing ovation. Don't go on a question panel if you don't want to answer questions :facepalm:.

memo to TS: Christmas was last year

[Livia]

What an obnoxious woman, her monologue does not address the issue raised by the lady in the audience, what does it achieve?

If, and this is a big if,there were as many Muslims as could fill America hell bent on the destruction of the west then where are they? There have been over many years the odd disjointed attack that in the west has come from 'home grown' terrorists or converts.

If diplomacy is not the answer and conflict is the only recourse then that would only be viable if this 25% of which she speaks were in the same place... but they are not are they? (if they exist that is)
Those who are experiencing the affects of conflict in the concentrated areas of focus are predominantly the peaceful, how is this justified?

Every time I see it I'm in awe of her ability to puff her trumpet for 3+ minutes and not only fail to answer the question... but not even vaguely acknowledge the question in the first place. Which was;

"My question is how can we fight an ideological war with weapons? How can we ever end this thing if you don't address it ideologically."

Angry Lady decides to imagine that this lady's main point was that most Muslims are peaceful. It wasn't. She even said my question is. She had a very valid question. The answer of course being that you cannot fight an ideology with guns and bombs. But angry ranty lady doesn't want to admit that gradual diplomacy and embracing, rather than demonising, the majority of the Muslim population is the only permanent way to fight Islamic terrorism no matter how angry you happen to feel about the situation, and so she completely dodges the question and vents. And gets a standing ovation. Don't go on a question panel if you don't want to answer questions :facepalm:.

Frankly, I didn't expect either of you to do anything but disagree and even call her "obnoxious" (maybe find out about her background before you call her names). Her message was that the silent majority are irrelevant. Surely that was quite evident?

The Muslim woman - an American citizen - asked a loaded question in the wrong place and got an answer that she - and people who feel the same way she feels - didn't like and so pretend not to understand.

[user104658]

Frankly, I didn't expect either of you to do anything but disagree and even call her "obnoxious" (maybe find out about her background before you call her names). Her message was that the silent majority are irrelevant. Surely that was quite evident?

It was evident. It wasn't an answer to the question asked, though.


The Muslim woman - an American citizen - asked a loaded question in the wrong place and got an answer that she - and people who feel the same way she feels - didn't like and so pretend not to understand.

She asked the question; "My question is how can we fight an ideological war with weapons? How can we ever end this thing if you don't address it ideologically."

And got an "answer" to a completely different question, or rather, a rant about a completely separate topic.

Do you think she answered the question? Honestly?


Q: "How can you fight a global ideological issue with weapons?"

A: "THE SILENT MAJORITY ARE IRRELEVANT!!"


...'k.

[Livia]

It was evident. It wasn't an answer to the question asked, though.



She asked the question; "My question is how can we fight an ideological war with weapons? How can we ever end this thing if you don't address it ideologically."

And got an "answer" to a completely different question, or rather, a rant about a completely separate topic.

Do you think she answered the question? Honestly?


Q: "How can you fight a global ideological issue with weapons?"

A: "THE SILENT MAJORITY ARE IRRELEVANT!!"


...'k.


And Gabrielle replied, and I'm paraphrasing, "you're an American Citizen, why aren't you holding your government to account for American deaths?" She also replied that she understood that the majority of Muslims are the silent majority. And that they are irrelevant... in the same way the silent majority was irrelevant in Nazi Germany. She also mentioned that the woman who spoke was the ONLY Muslim in the room.

She isn't spouting this from her safe American homeland. She has suffered at the hands of Muslims, her family has suffered, and not just a little. She knows more about the problem than any one person on this forum.

[jaxie]

I don't have a lot of time for religion generally and less time for any religion that suppresses women, imprisons them in lives they have no choice over, indoctrinates them into wearing clothes that cover them, because obviously just wearing a skirt and jumper is so provocative no man can control himself, and generally treats any woman as if she is less than any man or the property of a man. That's before we even get to terrorism and those quietly supporting it in the name of religion.

I do accept that some people find great comfort and support from their religion and kudos to them if they do but when religion is used to force people into a way of life that was acceptable a 1000 year ago, then no, I don't like it.

[user104658]

And Gabrielle replied, and I'm paraphrasing, "you're an American Citizen, why aren't you holding your government to account for American deaths?" She also replied that she understood that the majority of Muslims are the silent majority. And that they are irrelevant... in the same way the silent majority was irrelevant in Nazi Germany. She also mentioned that the woman who spoke was the ONLY Muslim in the room.

She isn't spouting this from her safe American homeland. She has suffered at the hands of Muslims, her family has suffered, and not just a little. She knows more about the problem than any one person on this forum.

Q: "How can you fight a global ideological issue with weapons?"

A: "You're an American Citizen, why aren't you holding your government to account for American deaths?"



Q: "OK but how can you fight a global ideological issue with weapons?"

A: "I understand that the majority of Muslims are the silent majority. And that they are irrelevant... in the same way the silent majority was irrelevant in Nazi Germany"



Q: "OK... but... How can you fight a global ideological issue with weapons?"

A: "You are the ONLY Muslim in the room."



Q: "OK... but........"

[y.winter]

It's the first time I come across Brigitte Gabriel's name and videos. She has some very good points. Thanks Livia.

[Kizzy]

Don't offer anything up for comment if you are going to disregard the response if they don't correspond to your own.
I offered a view on that Q&A only, we don't know the background of the querent do we, so why would only the panel members be relevant?
I found her tone and disregard for the issue raised obnoxious, although quite why I'm having to explain my choice of words to you I don't know.

The question was not loaded it was pertinent and delivered politely with conviction, she didn't get an answer she was barked at something that remains nonsensical in the main unless you apply it to the roles of governments... people are irrelevant, we do not choose what actions to take, we are informed what fate is to befall us by those in power.

Her question was is there a better way to approach the situation to avoid escalation....Well? I didn't catch an answer to that.

[Kizzy]

And Gabrielle replied, and I'm paraphrasing, "you're an American Citizen, why aren't you holding your government to account for American deaths?" She also replied that she understood that the majority of Muslims are the silent majority. And that they are irrelevant... in the same way the silent majority was irrelevant in Nazi Germany. She also mentioned that the woman who spoke was the ONLY Muslim in the room.

She isn't spouting this from her safe American homeland. She has suffered at the hands of Muslims, her family has suffered, and not just a little. She knows more about the problem than any one person on this forum.

Why are you putting words in her mouth?
If she felt the government was at fault then say that, don't attempt to blame the billions of innocents across the globe :/

[Livia]

It's the first time I come across Brigitte Gabriel's name and videos. She has some very good points. Thanks Livia.

Yes, she really does have some good points. She's Lebanese and suffered under the Muslim regime. You should check out some of her other stuff. Her anti-Islam message is strong and I think that's because she knows more about the problem, is closer to it, than most. Certainly than most on here.

[Livia]

Why are you putting words in her mouth?
If she felt the government was at fault then say that, don't attempt to blame the billions of innocents across the globe :/

I said I was paraphrasing. Right before the bit you emboldened.

Paraphrasing means that I'm giving you the gist and not quoting her word for word.

[Kizzy]

I said I was paraphrasing. Right before the bit you emboldened.

Paraphrasing means that I'm giving you the gist and not quoting her word for word.

So basically you are putting words in her mouth? I know what paraphrasing means thanks.

[Livia]

So basically you are putting words in her mouth? I know what paraphrasing means thanks.

No.

I was PARAPHRASING.

[Cherie]

This isn't about what ISIS is or what the Muslim faith represents; its about Muslim involvement in an effort to condemn ISIS. I know this doesn't sit well with some of you but for once can you just try to have a little understanding and compassion.

On that note, I'm going to work.

Compassion for what? Most intelligent people know that not all muslims are terrorists, just like all football fans aren't hooligans, or all English people support the EDL, where the problem lies is that people can't accept that we can use the word Muslim terrorist and that we should dress it up as Daesh or something else

Yes I've seen that posted on the forum numerous times, as DR said there are literally billions of Muslims therefore if you inject some perspective it's not even relative.


It doesn't matter what the percentage it, it is a fact that a percentage carry out terror attacks, the IRA were a small percentage of the Irish population it doesn't make their crimes any less, also I have seen numerous posters refer to extremists rather than the general population

We did say Irish terrorist but what was the history behind it? If ever there is terror or destabilisation there we are.
That's not anti British or an exaggeration, it's a fact...an uncomfortable one but a fact nevertheless.


That's not the point, the point is we were able to call them what they were, nobody tried to deny they were Irish terrorists in case we offended the other 99 per cent of the population :laugh:

[jaxie]

I have to say it amazes me that elements on this forum speak with outrage about Trump, find the EDL abhorrent (which they are) and think anyone who has anything to say about the Muslim faith is a raging bigot. But they feel it OK to collude with the subjugation of women and girls, girls who have their vaginas mutilated on holidays away from this country and come home in agony, (no-one ever prosecuted), girls who are attacked by men in their own family for smiling at a boy, girls forced to cover themselves from head to toe, indoctrination, brain washing, bullying, being treated as property, married under age to strangers who are adult men, because it's a known religion.

If you didn't know about religion and someone came along and told you this stuff went on and was sanctioned by society in the name of some faiths, and tolerance, I don't think you'd believe it. It's quite shocking if you break it down and think about it.

Sometimes when you compare what people do moan about/take issue with/lecture the rest of us about, and what is really going on, even in this country behind closed doors, it makes you feel like you are living in the twilight zone.

I knew a Turkish girl when I was 13 I used to play with in the local area who was taken out of the UK for a holiday and came back married to a 30 year old man. She told me she didn't like him and other things that made it clear it wasn't a marriage in name only. It ruined her life. The same thing happened to her sister two years later. I saw her once years later downtrodden, abandoned by the man, 6 kids, she looked 20 years older than she should have. How did they get away with it? You tell me.

Why is it frowned upon to talk about this stuff? Why can't we question what is going on?

[Brillopad]

I don't have a lot of time for religion generally and less time for any religion that suppresses women, imprisons them in lives they have no choice over, indoctrinates them into wearing clothes that cover them, because obviously just wearing a skirt and jumper is so provocative no man can control himself, and generally treats any woman as if she is less than any man or the property of a man. That's before we even get to terrorism and those quietly supporting it in the name of religion.

I do accept that some people find great comfort and support from their religion and kudos to them if they do but when religion is used to force people into a way of life that was acceptable a 1000 year ago, then no, I don't like it.

Well said!

[Brillopad]

I have to say it amazes me that elements on this forum speak with outrage about Trump, find the EDL abhorrent (which they are) and think anyone who has anything to say about the Muslim faith is a raging bigot. But they feel it OK to collude with the subjugation of women and girls, girls who have their vaginas mutilated on holidays away from this country and come home in agony, (no-one ever prosecuted), girls who are attacked by men in their own family for smiling at a boy, girls forced to cover themselves from head to toe, indoctrination, brain washing, bullying, being treated as property, married under age to strangers who are adult men, because it's a known religion.

If you didn't know about religion and someone came along and told you this stuff went on and was sanctioned by society in the name of some faiths, and tolerance I don't think you'd believe it. It's quite shocking if you break it down and think about it.

Sometimes when you compare what people do moan about/take issue with/lecture the rest of us about, and what is really going on, even in this country behind closed doors, it makes you feel like you are living in the twilight zone.

I knew a Turkish girl when I was 13 I used to play with in the local area who was taken out of the UK for a holiday and came back married to a 30 year old man. She told me she didn't like him and other things that made it clear it wasn't a marriage in name only. It ruined her life. The same thing happened to her sister two years later. I saw her once years later downtrodden, abandoned by the man, 6 kids, she looked 20 years older than she should have. How did they get away with it? You tell me.

Why is it frowned upon to talk about this stuff? Why can't we question what is going on?

It's outright abuse being allowed to go on under our very noses in Britain, in the name of religion, when we are prosecuting many well known names for historical abuse of young women - what's that if not double standards.

The PC brigade are so obsessed with 'being seen to be doing the right thing' they can't see the wood for the trees. In my book it has more to do with self-promotion than care.

We know these women are at best brainwashed from birth, at worst mentally, physically and sexually threatened. But the priority of some is the perpetrators - the religion and those that support such practices.

[BritNobleGent]

These are shia moslems that marched
:facepalm:

Shia Islam is the second-largest branch of Islam: in 2009, Shia Muslims constituted 10–13% of the world's Muslim population. Twelver Shia (Ithnā'ashariyyah) is the largest branch of Shia Islam. In 2012 it was estimated that perhaps 85 percent of Shias were Twelvers.

Of course shia moslems will be against ISIS (who are sunni moslems), they both hate each other. Two sects been fighting since mohammeds death.


When are 10s of thousands of moslem sunni's going to march against ISIS? Yep, i wouldn't hold my breath.

[Crimson Dynamo]

moslem?

[Brillopad]

These are shia moslems that marched
:facepalm:



Of course shia moslems will be against ISIS (who are sunni moslems), they both hate each other. Two sects been fighting since mohammeds death.


When are 10s of thousands of moslem sunni's going to march against ISIS? Yep, i wouldn't hold my breath.

Good point.

[Kizzy]

No.

I was PARAPHRASING.

Are you shouting at me?
I hear what she says and can make my own summation, I don't need your interpretation of the statement she is making.

[Kizzy]

It doesn't matter what the percentage it, it is a fact that a percentage carry out terror attacks, the IRA were a small percentage of the Irish population it doesn't make their crimes any less, also I have seen numerous posters refer to extremists rather than the general population




That's not the point, the point is we were able to call them what they were, nobody tried to deny they were Irish terrorists in case we offended the other 99 per cent of the population :laugh:


There are terrorist factions from every corner of the globe, what are you going to do ban everyone from everywhere?

Nobody is saying don't call Muslim terrorists terrorists are they? :/