USA President BUILDS WALL and BANS Dangerous Muslims

[Withano]

Get over yourself in thinking you have the right to tell me how to think. There is nothing untrue in anything I have said. You just blindly defend because it is PC to do so. No thought processes required.

Nobody says youre being PC when you fight against sexism? Is this your double standards again?

What it comes down to is you "having a strong dislike" for 23% of the world because of a handful of extremists. This is irrational hatred, and this is stupid.

Think of it any way you like, I'm not sure if you turned down or accepted the Islamophobic label, your posts were unclear, but I can assure you that in this thread alone, this is how you come across. History tells us that people just need a bit of education to stop unnecessary racism/sexism/homophobia. Draw the line, make the connection, and do a few google searches without your confirmation bias. Educate yourself on the 22.9999(recurring)% of the world that you slander on the daily.

[Brillopad]

Nobody says youre being PC when you fight against sexism? Is this your double standards again?

What it comes down to is you "having a strong dislike" for 23% of the world because of a handful of extremists. This is irrational hatred, and this is stupid.

Think of it any way you like, I'm not sure if you turned down or accepted the Islamophobic label, your posts were unclear, but I can assure you that in this thread alone, this is how you come across. History tells us that people just need a bit of education to stop unnecessary racism/sexism/homophobia. Draw the line, make the connection, and do a few google searches without your confirmation bias. Educate yourself on the 22.9999(recurring)% of the world that you slander on the daily.

Ditto.

[Withano]

Ditto.

Also look up a dictionary term for ditto.

[Brillopad]

[QUOTE=Withano;9206891]Also look up a dictionary term for ditto.[/QUOTE



Understand that defending sexist attitudes is sexist and therefore undermines your right to label others.

[Withano]

[QUOTE=Withano;9206891]Also look up a dictionary term for ditto.[/QUOTE



Understand that defending sexist attitudes is sexist and therefore undermines your right to label others.

Youre the one saying irrational hatred to groups of people is fine under some circumstances, and that is the closest anybody has got to sexism in this thread.

[Brillopad]

[QUOTE=Brillopad;9206892]

Youre the one saying irrational hatred to groups of people is fine under some circumstances, and that is the closest anybody has got to sexism in this thread.

There is nothing irrational about questioning sexist male attitudes and men that defend such attitudes.

Is is however pretty irrational to think that personal attacks will thwart such questioning. Most women are made of stronger stuff than that.

[Withano]

[QUOTE=Withano;9206893]

There is nothing irrational about questioning sexist male attitudes and men that defend such attitudes.
.

I agree
By that logic, there is nothing irrational about questioning islamophobic peoples attitudes and people who defend such attitudes

So stop whining?

[DemolitionRed]

Because I happen to be one of the 50% they hate so much. Pretty relieved that as a woman I wasn't born in a Muslim country. There is an important principle at stake and the treatment of women by this religion should neither be ignored or defended.

I am surprised that you are surprised by that.

But they don't. The trouble is, you would have to live amongst them to understand just how wrong you are. I lived in the middle east. I worked with Muslims, I spoke their language, I cooked for and dined with Muslims and some of my long term dearest friends are Muslims. What I learnt is, most Muslims are no more religious than we are Christians. Whilst they are Muslim by name, many don't pray, go to the mosque or refrain from drinking alcohol and so on.

You can only recognise a Muslim woman by what she wears and yet you probably pass hundreds of Muslim women each day that don't wear hijab. They still consider themselves to be Muslim but have chosen not to wear a dress code because just like us Christians, religion doesn't play a big part in their life.

The one thing that struck me during my time there was how the men treasured the women and how the women ruled the home. I lived in Iran, a country where the religious police, mullah's and the revolutionary guards ruled over the land with an iron fist. I had many conversations with Muslim men who didn't want their wives, mothers and sisters to be so repressed and down trodden by their much hated repressive government.

I walked in their shoes and it didn't feel very religious at all. Most of them are just like you and me. Some bossed their husbands around whilst others were devoted couples but be sure of this, if a neighbourhood found a man was beating his wife, his sister or daughters, he would be ostracized and condemned by an entire community.

[Brillopad]

[QUOTE=Brillopad;9206897]

I agree
By that logic, there is nothing irrational about questioning islamophobic peoples attitudes and people who defend such attitudes

So stop whining?

If they are also defending sexist attititudes by doing so then there is. You have to question why they are unconcerned by Islam's misogynist views. You can't help but come up with an obvious answer.

So stop your whining and move on.

[Kizzy]

Decapitating people (and freedom) is something Muslims do - not advisable to confuse their behaviour with that of Westerners, or are we simply practicing double standards again.

It's not something Muslims do, it's something terrorists do. Or are we simply being bigoted again?

Hacking away at the constitution is what he is doing, this is a theoretical depiction of this.

[Kizzy]

Wrong again. I have no issues with most people from other countries I simply have issues with a certain regions ideology.

I think the term you may be looking for is 'islamophobic' despite your attempts to go round the houses and accuse me of something less acceptable.

You're feel comfortable in your view because you think Islamophobia is acceptable?

[Brillopad]

You're feel comfortable in your view because you think Islamophobia is acceptable?

What is islamophobia - it is a dislike of a religious ideology that practices misogyny and that as good as enslaves women.

Yes I dislike, dissapprove and question that belief system - stick whatever label on that you will.

As a human being, especially as a woman, shouldn't you also dislike and question it?

Women havie been fighting the good fight against misogyny and sexism for decades in this country despite there not being much support from many men and it seems that even in this so-called 'enlightened' age thinks haven't changed as much as they should have.

Many people seem less interested in supporting female equality than they do in expressing their support of a backward thinking and repugnant misogynistic ideology like Islam. In my book that is double standards and quite worrying. :shrug:

[Withano]

If they are also defending sexist attititudes by doing so then there is. You have to question why they are unconcerned by Islam's misogynist views. You can't help but come up with an obvious answer.

So stop your whining and move on.

To give you credit, you'd make an excellent drinking game. 'Drink every time Brillopad contradicts herself' or 'drink every time Brillopad makes unfounded generalisations'. Would be brutal.

[Brillopad]

To give you credit, you'd make an excellent drinking game. 'Drink every time Brillopad contradicts herself' or 'drink every time Brillopad makes unfounded generalisations'. Would be brutal.

As you are an expert on contradictions I might actually get round to giving that some thought, one day. :joker:

[Kizzy]

What is islamophobia - it is a dislike of a religious ideology that practices misogyny and that as good as enslaves women.

Yes I dislike, dissapprove and question that belief system - stick whatever label on that you will.

As a human being, especially as a woman, shouldn't you also dislike and question it?

Women havie been fighting the good fight against misogyny and sexism for decades in this country despite there not being much support from many men and it seems that even in this so-called 'enlightened' age thinks haven't changed as much as they should have.

Many people seem less interested in supporting female equality than they do in expressing their support of a backward thinking and repugnant misogynistic ideology like Islam. In my book that is double standards and quite worrying. :shrug:

You can have your prejudice, but please don't suggest I adopt them to fit in with your skewed perception of what it means to live in a progressive society.

There are many cultures whose ideology jars with our own across the globe, your hysteria towards one religion is I suspect what is clouding your judgement.
Try to keep some perspective.

[Tom4784]

Few religions are kind to women, it seems strange to have such a vehement hatred of one in particular when most religions are guilty of misogyny because pretty much all religions are a product of their time.

[Withano]

As you are an expert on contradictions I might actually get round to giving that some thought, one day. :joker:

"I know you are but what am I"

Good one.

[Brillopad]

You can have your prejudice, but please don't suggest I adopt them to fit in with your skewed perception of what it means to live in a progressive society.

There are many cultures whose ideology jars with our own across the globe, your hysteria towards one religion is I suspect what is clouding your judgement.
Try to keep some perspective.

Yes there are but there are not so many that come here and walk around advertising the subjugation of women so blatantly, sticking two fingers up at the belief system of the country they choose to live in.

That is about as far removed from integration as you can get. I think many see that as an ominous sign for the future with good reason.

[Brillopad]

You can have your prejudice, but please don't suggest I adopt them to fit in with your skewed perception of what it means to live in a progressive society.

There are many cultures whose ideology jars with our own across the globe, your hysteria towards one religion is I suspect what is clouding your judgement.
Try to keep some perspective.

Who asked you to add to any prejudices you already have - I was just suggesting that offering more support to 50% of the population, of which you are one, wouldn't be a bad thing. :shrug:

[Alf]

Vultures.

[Kizzy]

Who asked you to add to any prejudices you already have - I was just suggesting that offering more support to 50% of the population, of which you are one, wouldn't be a bad thing. :shrug:

I don't have any prejudices though, do I have to act or react to things differently because I am a woman?....
That's an odd concept in this supposed age of equality we have in the west isn't it?

[Brillopad]

I don't have any prejudices though, do I have to act or react to things differently because I am a woman?....
That's an odd concept in this supposed age of equality we have in the west isn't it?

If you say so, but neither do I as my opinions are based on reason, unless you are trying to say that the Muslim religion does not treat its women like second class citizens - that it is not a misoygistic religion and that any such belief that it is is untrue.

I have read plenty of accounts from Muslim women that say they are, not to mention what we see with our own eyes - to mention but a few.

[Northern Monkey]

There is nothing wrong with being anti Islam or any other religion.I'm not a big fan of Scientology for instance.

[DemolitionRed]

There is nothing wrong with being anti Islam or any other religion.I'm not a big fan of Scientology for instance.

I don't like the way Hasidic Jews treat their women or the way some versions of Islam repress theirs. I believe Catholic women have put up with centuries of nonsense or the bride burning that still goes on in Hindu societies should be talked about more.

That though, doesn't make me anti Catholic, Islam, Hinduism or Judaism, it just means I'm aware of the repression that can go on within these religions.

[Brillopad]

But they don't. The trouble is, you would have to live amongst them to understand just how wrong you are. I lived in the middle east. I worked with Muslims, I spoke their language, I cooked for and dined with Muslims and some of my long term dearest friends are Muslims. What I learnt is, most Muslims are no more religious than we are Christians. Whilst they are Muslim by name, many don't pray, go to the mosque or refrain from drinking alcohol and so on.

You can only recognise a Muslim woman by what she wears and yet you probably pass hundreds of Muslim women each day that don't wear hijab. They still consider themselves to be Muslim but have chosen not to wear a dress code because just like us Christians, religion doesn't play a big part in their life.

The one thing that struck me during my time there was how the men treasured the women and how the women ruled the home. I lived in Iran, a country where the religious police, mullah's and the revolutionary guards ruled over the land with an iron fist. I had many conversations with Muslim men who didn't want their wives, mothers and sisters to be so repressed and down trodden by their much hated repressive government.

I walked in their shoes and it didn't feel very religious at all. Most of them are just like you and me. Some bossed their husbands around whilst others were devoted couples but be sure of this, if a neighbourhood found a man was beating his wife, his sister or daughters, he would be ostracized and condemned by an entire community.

That is an interesting post and one I have no doubt you completely feel. I can't help but wonder though if your experience is truly representative of the majority of Muslims coming to the West. It may well be. But I am scepticle based on what I see around me on an almost daily basis.

I see an increasing number of Muslim women wearing burkas on our streets and beaches and whether it is worn as the woman's choice (something I find questionable due to indoctrination) or a requirement by her family I think it is an offensive thing to do in a country where female equality is not only valued but written into our equality laws.

I strongly believe if you choose to live in a country you must integrate and respect its culture and laws which many of the Muslims I see do not do. Maybe the Muslims you speak of are in the majority but if that is the case my issues are with those that are not and I believe these Muslims should not be welcomed into the West.

I also feel that certain conditions should be enforced such as the banning of religious clothing or other practices that praise the subjugation of women in public. I'm sure if anyone else walked around in teeshirts etc with words/ logos blatantly offensive to Muslims, any other religious group or gays, it would be classed as a hate crime and not tolerated - but somehow when the equality of those being undermined are only women they are expected to put up with it.

[DemolitionRed]

That is an interesting post and one I have no doubt you completely feel. I can't help but wonder though if your experience is truly representative of the majority of Muslims coming to the West. It may well be. But I am scepticle based on what I see around me on an almost daily basis.

I see an increasing number of Muslim women wearing burkas on our streets and beaches and whether it is worn as the woman's choice (something I find questionable due to indoctrination) or a requirement by her family I think it is an offensive thing to do in a country where female equality is not only valued but written into our equality laws.

I strongly believe if you choose to live in a country you must integrate and respect its culture and laws which many of the Muslims I see do not do. Maybe the Muslims you speak of are in the majority but if that is the case my issues are with those that are not and I believe these Muslims should not be welcomed into the West.

I also feel that certain conditions such as banning religous clothing that praises the subjugation of women should not be allowed in public. I'm sure if anyone walked around in teeshirts with words/ logos blatantly offensive to Muslims, any other religious group or gays would not be tolerated - but somehow when the equality of those being undermined are only women they are expected to put up with it.

Are you offended by saris or are you offended by a Christian woman wearing a headscarf or a nun a habit? Does it annoy you when you see an Orthodox Jewish woman cover her hair with a tichel or her husband wearing a shtreimel.

We live in a democracy which makes us wonderfully tolerant.

[Brillopad]

Are you offended by saris or are you offended by a Christian woman wearing a headscarf or a nun a habit? Does it annoy you when you see an Orthodox Jewish woman cover her hair with a tichel or her husband wearing a shtreimel.

We live in a democracy which makes us wonderfully tolerant.

Except for Muslim tolerance of female equality.

Besides both Brexit and the Election of Trump prove that many people are not as tolerant as some would have us believe as many feel that tolerance is being abused.

[Kizzy]

Yes there are but there are not so many that come here and walk around advertising the subjugation of women so blatantly, sticking two fingers up at the belief system of the country they choose to live in.

That is about as far removed from integration as you can get. I think many see that as an ominous sign for the future with good reason.

You sure?...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/8326339/Inside-the-private-world-of-Londons-ultra-Orthodox-Jews.html

[Brillopad]

You sure?...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/8326339/Inside-the-private-world-of-Londons-ultra-Orthodox-Jews.html

Yep - Muslims are by far the most oppressive religion and the most dangerous.

[DemolitionRed]

You sure?...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/8326339/Inside-the-prisevate-world-of-Londons-ultra-Orthodox-Jews.html

I used to live in Hackney and often caught the bus through Stamford Hill. I always wondered why the women were so drab. Its as though they went all out to make themselves look ugly in oversized wigs and heavy coats that looked like something granny use to wear. The women would walk obediently behind their husband, usually pushing some antiquated pushchair and have four or five kids in tow. They always looked so miserable.

[Brillopad]

Maybe that's why Muslim women wear Burkhas - they or their husbands don't want people to see their miserable faces or their bruises - who knows. Would be a good way of getting away with domestic violence.

[Kizzy]

Yep - Muslims are by far the most oppressive religion and the most dangerous.

Yes well you are entitled to your Islamophobic ignorant opinion so there's not much more to say to you. I best leave it there.

[DemolitionRed]

Maybe that's why Muslim women wear Burkhas - they or their husbands don't want people to see their miserable faces or their bruises - who knows. Would be a good way of getting away with domestic violence.

Or maybe they made their own choice to wear the burkha. Perhaps underneath that burkha they are wearing nothing other than thigh-highs and sexy undies and sticking their tongues out at every passer by who gapes at them.

[Brillopad]

Yes well you are entitled to your Islamophobic ignorant opinion so there's not much more to say to you. I best leave it there.

As we all know ignorance is a matter of opinion and perspective and I feel just as offended by your opinions so yes I agree we best leave it there.

[Brillopad]

Or maybe they made their own choice to wear the burkha. Perhaps underneath that burkha they are wearing nothing other than thigh-highs and sexy undies and sticking their tongues out at every passer by who gapes at them.

From what I have seen most wear grubby trackies and trainers.

[Northern Monkey]

Some dodgy organisations organising some of these protests
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[Brillopad]

Some dodgy organisations organising some of these protests
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Very interesting viewing NM. I was particularly interested in the bit at the end on his comments regarding the large shadow Trump is casting and how that shadow may provide an alternative to a 'no borders or deportation orders' global government. Worrying stuff and certainly food for thought.

Save us from the loony left.

[Kizzy]

Where is the information that dodgy organisations created this protest movement, you do realise that one man stating this as fact and you believing him is how fake news is spread?...

[Kizzy]

Ooops...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/donald-trump-apple-zynga-facebook-google-uber-intel-netflix-file-legal-brief-against-immigration-a7564501.html?cmpid=facebook-post

[Crimson Dynamo]

Trump said Yesterday that a grand total of..... 109 people have so far been stopped from entering the USA

[DemolitionRed]

Ooops...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/donald-trump-apple-zynga-facebook-google-uber-intel-netflix-file-legal-brief-against-immigration-a7564501.html?cmpid=facebook-post

Trump, is likely to go down in history as the most sued administration in the history of the U.S.

The more I watch Trump completely melt down the more I believe he will likely be impeached... now that will be an example of a system working well.

[DemolitionRed]

I love the way the Speaker of the House did that. He just steps up to the mark without further discussion and bing, bang, bosh… Trump now doesn’t have permission to speak in the House of Commons… decision made, job done!

I would suggest that the House of Commons are paying attention to the British public.

[Kizzy]

I'm surprised it was even considered, even the queen isn't allowed in there.

[arista]

I'm surprised it was even considered, even the queen isn't allowed in there.


Last week they said it
Trump will speak in the Westminster Hall
behind the Chambers,

So the Speaker Of The House
was just getting his own Publicity
as the fool he is
Wasting time
on something not going to happen.

[DemolitionRed]

Last week they said it
Trump will speak in the Westminster Hall
behind the Chambers,

So the Speaker Of The House
was just getting his own Publicity
as the fool he is
Wasting time
on something not going to happen.

Foreign presidents rarely get to do this. In fact its only Nelson Mandella and one other who have, up until now, been permitted. What has Trump done to earn a voice in the House of Commons? He's merely a few weeks into his job and hasn't yet done anything that Britian would consider notable.

Edited to say: What would he possibly have to say at the British Parliament that he can't tweet?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I love the way the Speaker of the House did that. He just steps up to the mark without further discussion and bing, bang, bosh… Trump now doesn’t have permission to speak in the House of Commons… decision made, job done!

I would suggest that the House of Commons are paying attention to the British public.

how?

[Cherie]

Is it edgy or something to hate Donald Trump, compared to other leaders we have hosted he has done nothing yet apart from from honour the policies which people in the USA voted for, maybe our politicians should take a leaf out of his book, instead of promising and not delivering, MTVN made an excellent point, it's easy to jump on bandwagons isn't it Mr Bercow :idc: shame you are not consistent in your condemnation

[DemolitionRed]

http://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-not-welcome-at-uk-parliament-says-speaker-john-bercow/

Visiting foreign leaders occasionally address MPs and members of the House of Lords. To do so is considered a major honor by U.K. lawmakers, and has in recent years been offered to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Chinese President Xi Jinping, and Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto.

When Barack Obama visited in 2011, he addressed both houses in the 900-year-old Westminster Hall, considered an even higher honor. There had been speculation that Trump would be granted a similar honor, after May confirmed in Washington last month that the president had accepted an invitation to make a state visit to Britain later this year.

Bercow’s statement will come as an embarrassment to Prime Minister Theresa May, who has faced criticism for inviting Trump to make a state visit to the U.K. so early in his presidency.
“We value our relationship with the U.S.” Bercow told the House of Commons. “If a state visit takes place that is way beyond and above the pay grade of the speaker. However, as far as this place is concerned I feel very strongly that our opposition to racism and to sexism and our support for equality before the law and an independent judiciary are hugely important considerations in the House of Commons.”

Who else has been so publicly refused?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is it edgy or something to hate Donald Trump, compared to other leaders we have hosted he has done nothing yet apart from from honour the policies which people in the USA voted for, maybe our politicians should take a leaf out of his book, instead of promising and not delivering, MTVN made an excellent point, it's easy to jump on bandwagons isn't it Mr Bercow :idc: shame you are not consistent in your condemnation

young people are driven by the need to conform, can you imagine one saying that they did not "hate" Trump?

:laugh:

[DemolitionRed]

Reacting to Mr Bercow's statement, Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron said: "This is the right decision by The Speaker.

"The Prime Minister might wish to kowtow to the nasty misogynist that now sits in the Oval Office but no-one else does. We do not want him to speak to us. He is not welcome.

"Speaking within Parliament is a rare honour, the highest honour we can offer.

"In the past, we have hosted speeches from leaders in equality, justice and human rights, from Mandela to Obama to Aung San Suu Kyi. Trump is not fit to shine their shoes."

http://news.sky.com/story/speaker-john-bercow-strongly-opposes-trump-address-to-parliament-10758762

[DemolitionRed]

I wonder how May is going to react!!

[Cherie]

It's very embarrassing for her, I think Bercow will be lucky to keep his job

[user104658]

young people are driven by the need to conform, can you imagine one saying that they did not "hate" Trump?

:laugh:

LT finally admitting that he only "supports Trump" because he's desperate to be seen as a non-conformist? :idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

LT finally admitting that he only "supports Trump" because he's desperate to be seen as a non-conformist? :idc:


I like to zig when others zag

sue me

:idc:

[user104658]

I like to zig when others zag

sue me

:idc:

Sue you for what LT, your thoughts and opinions have precisely zero effect on anyone's world but your own, financial or otherwise :hee:.

There's no problem with zigging. If you want to be a... zigger... zig away. I would suggest though, that when you're so committed to your "zig" that you lose all sight of anything resembling a middle ground, you have potentially zigged too far.

[DemolitionRed]

It's very embarrassing for her, I think Bercow will be lucky to keep his job

Fortunately she doesn't get to decide.

[Tom4784]

I like to zig when others zag

sue me

:idc:

Go you, conform to non-conformity :clap1:

[Alf]

First Melania plagiarised Michelle, now Donnie is plagiarising Barack.

Here's what that nice Mr Obama said, back in 2005.

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[Brillopad]

First Melania plagiarised Michelle, now Donnie is plagiarising Barack.

Here's what that nice Mr Obama said, back in 2005.

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Very interesting Alf. Maybe someone will try the old 'fake news' gumph. People have very short memories in their eagerness to label someone as racist- no lengths to which they will not go.

[Vicky.]

http://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/were-going-to-build-a-ladder-mexico-president-enrique-pena-nieto.jpg

:D

[DemolitionRed]

What have illegal immigrants got to do with how this discussion has moved? There are people on here who simply don't want immigrants, legal or not.

[Kizzy]

Very interesting Alf. Maybe someone will try the old 'fake news' gumph. People have very short memories in their eagerness to label someone as racist- no lengths to which they will not go.

I'm confused... what has illegal immigration got to do with legal immigration?

[Brillopad]

I'm confused... what has illegal immigration got to do with legal immigration?

Once allowed in on various temporary visas people have a habit of disappearing. People who most likely wouldn't be given immigration status.

[DemolitionRed]

Once allowed in on various temporary visas people have a habit of disappearing. People who most likely wouldn't be given immigration status.

What's the answer then. Don't let anyone in on a temporary visa?

[Brillopad]

What's the answer then. Don't let anyone in on a temporary visa?

Improved and rigorous vetting and monitoring - certainly more than they do currently as clearly not working.

[Beso]

It's very embarrassing for her, I think Bercow will be lucky to keep his job

Pfft..he probably hosts the paedo parties..he is safe.

[Kizzy]

Once allowed in on various temporary visas people have a habit of disappearing. People who most likely wouldn't be given immigration status.

Again, where is the connection between what Obama advocated and what trump proposed?

Answer... there isn't one.

[Beso]

Again, where is the connection between what Obama advocated and what trump proposed?

Answer... there isn't one.

Isnt trump just following through what clinton was bumping his gums about in 96? Or whenever it was.

[Kizzy]

Isnt trump just following through what clinton was bumping his gums about in 96? Or whenever it was.

I don't know, has the tangent flown on from Obama to Clinton now?...ok

[Brillopad]

I don't know, has the tangent flown on from Obama to Clinton now?...ok

Point being that some are getting their knickers all in a twist vilifying Trump and making him out to be the anti-Christ or something when other presidents were pretty much doing the same thing.

You may even say that perhaps Trump is being more honest about it.

[Beso]

I don't know, has the tangent flown on from Obama to Clinton now?...ok

Dunno, its went from trump to obama so why not huh?

[Brillopad]

young people are driven by the need to conform, can you imagine one saying that they did not "hate" Trump?

:laugh:

Very, very true. Young people are by nature sheep being herded into the right 'pen' by a more worldly-wise force.

[Tom4784]

Very, very true. Young people are by nature sheep being herded into the right 'pen' by a more worldly-wise force.

Go you, conform to non-conformity :clap1:

tbh

[Kizzy]

Very, very true. Young people are by nature sheep being herded into the right 'pen' by a more worldly-wise force.

Oh I doubt that, young people knoe their own minds... then they grow up start reading the Sun or the Mail and.... :(

Very sad

[Beso]

LOh I doubt that, young people knoe their own minds... then they grow up start reading the Sun or the Mail and.... :(

Very sad

We were all young once, you included..

Do you read the sun or mail? And do you still stand by your ridiculously patronising statement?

[Brillopad]

Oh I doubt that, young people knoe their own minds... then they grow up start reading the Sun or the Mail and.... :(

Very sad

Oh be quiet! They think they do and as an older woman you should know that. Life is one big learning curve and our opinions change with life experience.

Things that seemed black and white become more grey, lines become blurred etc. Young people are idealistic but life teaches them that not everything is as it seems.

[DemolitionRed]

How can people suggest that young people are like sheep when their own behaviour is so astoundingly sheepish?

[Brillopad]

How can people suggest that young people are like sheep when their own behaviour is so astoundingly sheepish?

:joker:

[Withano]

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/trumppostertypo.jpg

I didn't know if this deserved its own thread? His official inauguration poster has a typo lol.