USA President BUILDS WALL and BANS Dangerous Muslims

[Crimson Dynamo]

Walking the walk

Trump's migrant crackdown: The President will start building Mexico border wall TODAY -and is set to BAN people from Syria and six other 'dangerous' Muslim countries from entering America by signing executive orders


Trump is set to sign executive order enacting his campaign pledge to build a wall along the American border with Mexico
Other executive orders are expected to temporarily close US borders to most refugees
One order reportedly will block visas from being issued to citizens of Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen
Restrictions likely to include months-long ban on admissions from all countries until government agencies can boost intensity of vetting process
During presidential campaign, Trump promised to issue temporary ban on Muslims entering the US


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/25/02/3C780D7100000578-4154332-image-m-68_1485309950984.jpg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4154332/Trump-ban-immigrants-Syria-6-countries.html


He certainly has hit the ground running!

thoughts?

[Ronald.]

It's the president they voted for . He's doing what he said he would do. A man who stands by his guns at least. But guns are guns... R.

[Niamh.]

It's the president they voted for . He's doing what he said he would do. A man who stands by his guns at least. But guns are guns... R.

Indeed Ronald Rogers, indeed

[DrunkerThanMoses]

So he is wasting money building a wall only for Mexicans to build a tunnel underneath it or fly over it? I mean I hope its coming out of his own pocket to pay for it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So he is wasting money building a wall only for Mexicans to build a tunnel underneath it or fly over it? I mean I hope its coming out of his own pocket to pay for it.

how do you know they will do that?

[arista]

Thank You LT
for making this thread.
I was going to make it after my meeting.

Make America Great Again



I Love Walls

They are Big and Great


Feel The Force

[arista]

So he is wasting money building a wall only for Mexicans to build a tunnel underneath it or fly over it? I mean I hope its coming out of his own pocket to pay for it.


No its coming out of Mexico
Via taxes and other money systems


No Tunnel will go under it
any Tunnels will be detected
and Filled with Chemicals
and Cement FAST 24/7


Warning to any
Drug Dealers
Never build a Tunnel under
the New Trump Wall
Death will happen
Drug Punk - Make my day

[Alf]

He's also going to bring an end to adult fantasists.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C291vHzXAAEhuWX.jpg

This isn't real, it's just a bit of fun to pass the time.

[DemolitionRed]

You boys must be so excited!

Truth is, most of the wall is already there. Since the 90s annual border control funding has been set at around $19. billion. 700 hundred miles of that 1000 mile wall Trump has bragged about building, is already built.

[DemolitionRed]

Oh and arista, tunnels are being dug along this 700 mile wall all the time.

Are you Trumps right hand man by any chance? you seem to have a lot of information that the rest of us aren't privy to.

[arista]

Oh and arista, tunnels are being dug along this 700 mile wall all the time.

Are you Trumps right hand man by any chance? you seem to have a lot of information that the rest of us aren't privy to.


No my
CEO is in America for 6 Months,
but good news
he will be back in China after that.


I have spoken about these methods before
that are not on UK TV.
also they are not on the sad bbc.

I am hoping once they have details
of Security Essential Contracts
they will first go on a Exclusive UK TV ch.
6 hours before USA and China.

The Simple Warning is
Armed Response
which is used all the time in USA Security.

President Trump has all the plans
and Actions,
I can not speak to him
to confirm any of what I have said in
my previous post.


But I can say these are in the pipeline......

[Niamh.]

China don't build all the best walls anymore, America builds all the best walls

[Northern Monkey]

*Gets popcorn

[Brillopad]

*Gets popcorn

You want to watch your weight with all that popcorn! :hee:

[arista]

"is already built."

DR go on Live USA TV, if you get time
they are showing maps of this Solid New Wall
that replaces current fence/walls etc.

Of course there is a border there already
but Evil Drug Gangs are digging under it
or chucking bags over it
also on Docus and News Ch USA

They will no longer get through at that Zone
that is the reason he is building New Big Wall.

DR
lets watch it being built on Ch4HD Docu
and BBC Panorama Docu (shown world wide
on BBC World News - now broadcast
overnight on UK BBCnewsHD)
both will be there Filming under conditions
from USA Border Force

[arista]

China don't build all the best walls anymore, America builds all the best walls


Correct
American Products will be used
and Built there,


Make America Great Again.

[arista]

You want to watch your weight with all that popcorn! :hee:

Yes he must start Jumping
to ensure he stay's FIT

[user104658]

It's ridiculous. It will have absolutely zero impact on the number of people entering the US via Mexico. It's a vanity project, pure and simple... Mount Trumpmore. The Trumpver Immigrant Dam.

[Glenn.]

Tbf he's a man of his word.

[Brillopad]

Tbf he's a man of his word.

He is doing what he said he would do. If he hadn't he would have been criticised - damned if he did, damned if he didn't.

[arista]

"The boss of Tesla is investing
in tunnel digging machines.
Under Trump
ladders or cargo drones will be useful too."


I was just updated with the above text from a
Manager in France / Colleague.

[Rob!]

It's a statement more than anything else. And a ****ing stupid one at that.

[Withano]

And its all coming out of the American citizens tax money. He pulled a fast one there.

The wall would cost more than 6 times Trumps total networth and he isnt paying a penny. The Mexicans arent paying a penny. the American citizens were lied to and are paying many pennies.

Is it worth it? Obviously not lol. Will it achieve anything? No. Has he made a point? A pretty **** one, yeh.

[Withano]

Tbf he's a man of his word.

He is doing what he said he would do. If he hadn't he would have been criticised - damned if he did, damned if he didn't.

Not at all, he implied 'we' (the white americans presumably) werent paying anything. This is untrue. Luckily for Trump, I'm not sure his fans care much for the truth.

[arista]

Trump LIVE
just said is tripling the
amount of Border Officers

Good Move

[iRyan]

A vile, racist waste of time, money, and resources

[Brother Leon]

I see he hasn't suspended Saudis. Good job banning those dangerous muslims that don't pay American politicians though.

[DemolitionRed]

Not at all, he implied 'we' (the white americans presumably) werent paying anything. This is untrue. Luckily for Trump, I'm not sure his fans care much for the truth.

Authoritarian leaders are known for re-shaping the truth with the intention of separating the believers from the disbelievers.
We know that around 160,000 people turned up for his inauguration but trump bragged that he enjoyed the largest crowd in inauguration history. We also know that it rained throughout his speech but he’s told the world that as he stood up on that podium the rain stopped, the sun came out and it didn’t start to rain again until he’d finished.

He’s not doing this because he’s stupid, he’s doing it because he’s a smart guy with a huge ego and a master plan.

[Brillopad]

A vile, racist waste of time, money, and resources

How is it racist - many of the illegals from South America are from gangs involved in drug and gang crime and are dangerous. They pose a significant risk to Americans who have enough of their own dangerous criminals, many illegals, why would they want any more.

[user104658]

This whole thing is teaching me a valuable lesson to be fair. It's teaching me just HOW gullible many, many people out there are. It can't be hard to exploit this for personal gain, surely? Feeling like I have little option at this point but to look out for "me and mine" as best I can by finding ways to exploit the derpy dumb world...

[Northern Monkey]

This is all very surreal tbh.It's like CERN have switched us over to an alternate universe with one of their particle collision experiments.

[Northern Monkey]

Authoritarian leaders are known for re-shaping the truth with the intention of separating the believers from the disbelievers.
We know that around 160,000 people turned up for his inauguration but trump bragged that he enjoyed the largest crowd in inauguration history. We also know that it rained throughout his speech but he’s told the world that as he stood up on that podium the rain stopped, the sun came out and it didn’t start to rain again until he’d finished.

He’s not doing this because he’s stupid, he’s doing it because he’s a smart guy with a huge ego and a master plan.
That is very much like Kim Jong.He has many of the population of NK believing that he has supernatural powers,A god like figure.

[user104658]

That is very much like Kim Jong.He has many of the population of NK believing that he has supernatural powers,A god like figure.

I would literally not be surprised at this point if Trump has the illiterate bible thumper states believing that he is the second coming of Christ by the end of 2017.

[Shaun]

How many executive orders have there been already? Is it an unusually large number for the opening days of a presidency?

[user104658]

How many executive orders have there been already? Is it an unusually large number for the opening days of a presidency?

Obama made 39 in his first year

Bush made 54

Clinton 57.



Trump has made 10. In 5 days. To be fair, Obama made his 10th on his 17th day. But still. 5 days!

[Niamh.]

This is all very surreal tbh.It's like CERN have switched us over to an alternate universe with one of their particle collision experiments.
Sureal

[user104658]

Sureal

Cereal.

[Niamh.]

Cereal.
Cocopops

[DemolitionRed]

That is very much like Kim Jong.He has many of the population of NK believing that he has supernatural powers,A god like figure.

Yeah, there's certainly echoes of North Korea.

[Marsh.]

how do you know they will do that?

Cuz dey is criminals

[the truth]

This whole thing is teaching me a valuable lesson to be fair. It's teaching me just HOW gullible many, many people out there are. It can't be hard to exploit this for personal gain, surely? Feeling like I have little option at this point but to look out for "me and mine" as best I can by finding ways to exploit the derpy dumb world...

yes some people actuallly like jedward ,stephen bear and charlotte wet her pants, imagine that?

[user104658]

yes some people actuallly like jedward ,stephen bear and charlotte wet her pants, imagine that?
Comparing light entertainment to the selection of the leader of the "free" world and other major political tides.

Inspired, truth. Inspired.

[Brooklyn]

Apparently interviews for refugees have completely stopped. Not that it's surprising at all.

[arista]

Apparently interviews for refugees have completely stopped. Not that it's surprising at all.


Yes many Americans have suffered under
the last 8years
poor folk, infact
that were left with nothing,
And worse in Chicago Black on Black
Shootings got worse.



As The New President Trump
puts America First


He Won the Electoral Vote
that is what matters out there
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)

North America LAW

Young tibbers
will be in College or school
learning this.

[arista]

How is it racist - many of the illegals from South America are from gangs involved in drug and gang crime and are dangerous. They pose a significant risk to Americans who have enough of their own dangerous criminals, many illegals, why would they want any more.


Yes these are the Facts that
some people skip.

[arista]

How many executive orders have there been already? Is it an unusually large number for the opening days of a presidency?

Yes but do not forget
some of these were already written.
Just needed the Legal Team to update it.

So many underestimate Trump

It is Hard for some to keep up.

Its a shame the kids newsround
is no longer on bbc1
as they would put facts numbers and a tally
good enough for old folks as well.


Ch5HDnews 5PM has Special Reports
supplied by ITN , now.

News that has good interviews
and going out in the public
are informative

[Alf]

How is it racist - many of the illegals from South America are from gangs involved in drug and gang crime and are dangerous. They pose a significant risk to Americans who have enough of their own dangerous criminals, many illegals, why would they want any more.Do you honestly believe the looney left care if people are dangerous criminals?

Stop wasting your time, and let them argue between themselves.

[Northern Monkey]

I would literally not be surprised at this point if Trump has the illiterate bible thumper states believing that he is the second coming of Christ by the end of 2017.There are some crazy people who probably believe that already.

[user104658]

There are some crazy people who probably believe that already.

Yes... there's a fellow called "Donald" who definitely believes it :joker:

[Vicky.]

Well...I can give him a compliment here..he says what he is going to do and actually does it, unlike our politicians. However, what he said he was going to do, and is now putting into action is mostly stupid ideas...but...this is what was voted for.

[user104658]

Well...I can give him a compliment here..he says what he is going to do and actually does it, unlike our politicians. However, what he said he was going to do, and is now putting into action is mostly stupid ideas...but...this is what was voted for.

He said he was going to build a wall, yes, but he also promised that it wasn't going to cost the American tax-payer a penny and (somewhat inconceivably) that he would force MEXICO to pay for it themselves.

It's looking like it's going to cost the US tax-payer up to $25 Billion.

[Vicky.]

He said he was going to build a wall, yes, but he also promised that it wasn't going to cost the American tax-payer a penny and (somewhat inconceivably) that he would force MEXICO to pay for it themselves.

It's looking like it's going to cost the US tax-payer up to $25 Billion.
Well yes. Quite how he thought he could do something ridiculous and pricey then get someone else to pay for it is beyond me. I want a 5* holiday to Florida and a villa in Spain, unfortunately I cannot force my rich neighbour to pay for this :(

[Niamh.]

He's going to use all the money he saved from removing funding for abortions to build it probably

[Nicky91]

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

the Donald doing what he promised to the people

[Vicky.]

He's going to use all the money he saved from removing funding for abortions to build it probably

But Niamh...the tax payers don't want to fund anything to do with abortions. They prefer their taxes to rise twofold when there are suddenly thousands of unwanted children in care and such...

And they are happy with paying billions for a useless wall. Unless they build it 200 feet high and also stop all flights and such from Mexico also...just whats the point. Well...whats the point anyway, but you know :laugh:

[Niamh.]

But Niamh...the tax payers don't want to fund anything to do with abortions. And they are happy with paying billions for a useless wall. Unless they build it 200 feet high and also stop all flights and such from Mexico also...just whats the point. Well...whats the point anyway, but you know :laugh:

The point is feeding into this closing ranks racist time we're stepping into and also Donald leaving behind a big concrete legacy, The Greater Wall of America :laugh:

[user104658]

The point is feeding into this closing ranks racist time we're stepping into and also Donald leaving behind a big concrete legacy, The Greater Wall of America [emoji23]
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he names it "Trump Wall" and has his face carved onto it somewhere.

[Niamh.]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he names it "Trump Wall" and has his face carved onto it somewhere.

I see into the future, the wall being ceremoniously torn down like the Berlin wall

[Kizzy]

Mutiny!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-state-department-senior-management-team-quit-resign-rex-tillerson-secretary-donald-trump-cabinet-a7547916.html

[arista]

Trump Live in Philadelphia
all media. SkyNewsHD CNN HD BBC NewsHD
Bloomberg/ CNBC/ France 24 /LBC Live Radio online
and DAB and radio in London Zone

He just said Tomorrow he talks with the British PM
on Trade.,
In person

[arista]

Mutiny!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-state-department-senior-management-team-quit-resign-rex-tillerson-secretary-donald-trump-cabinet-a7547916.html


Expected Kizzy

Move Out Of The Way
President Trump is making America Great Again

[arista]

http://e3.365dm.com/17/01/536x302/06ed5ad3410f732b1e22a33383647ffe88495dde913b3fc34c 8ba4d5307a85a6_3877954.jpg?20170125220328

LT
Front Page Today's FT

Perfect for your Clever Thread.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Mutiny!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-state-department-senior-management-team-quit-resign-rex-tillerson-secretary-donald-trump-cabinet-a7547916.html

before they got sacked

[DemolitionRed]

Expected Kizzy

Move Out Of The Way
President Trump is making America Great Again

I have never seen any comment of substance from you ever. If there was one once, I must have missed it.

[DemolitionRed]

Trump was supposed to meet Enrique Peña Nieto later this month to discuss NAFTA and other issues. Today, he added a new precondition to talking; he tweeted: " If Mexico is unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall, then it would be better to cancel the upcoming meeting."

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politics/mexico-president-donald-trump-enrique-pena-nieto-border-wall/index.html

[DemolitionRed]

Oh and... a convoy of produce trucks loaded with 15 tons of avocados was refused entry to the U.S. at a Texas port of entry. Evidently, Trump has already ordered that Border Patrol agents should not honor the NAFTA agreement. After being turned back at the U.S. border, those trucks drove to an airport in Mexico, and the avocados were flown to Canada.

It is very obvious that Trump is now starting a trade war with Mexico. President Pena Nieto had previously extended an invitation to American oil companies to sell gasoline in Mexico, in competition with the government-owned monopoly oil company Pemex. We can probably now expect that invitation to be cancelled.

[Kizzy]

Oh and... a convoy of produce trucks, loaded with 15 tons of avocados, was refused entry to the U.S. at a Texas port of entry. Evidently, Donald Trump has already ordered that Border Patrol agents should not honor the NAFTA agreement. After being turned back at the U.S. border, those trucks drove to an airport in Mexico, and the avocados were flown to Canada.

It is very obvious that Donald Trump is now starting a trade war with Mexico. Presidente Pena Nieto had previously extended an invitation to American oil companies to sell gasoline in Mexico, in competition with the government-owned monopoly oil company Pemex. We can probably now expect that invitation to be cancelled.

They were some expensive avacados..... :laugh:

[DemolitionRed]

They were some expensive avacados..... :laugh:

They certainly were!

The thing is, Mexico's market for U.S. farm products is immense (thanks mainly to NAFTA) and cutting that off would severely damage some states economies and truly damage the big farm corporations.

[DemolitionRed]

Donald Trump’s proposed border wall could face a major obstacle in Arizona, where an indigenous tribe has vowed to oppose construction on its land, paving the way for potential mass resistance following the model of Standing Rock.

The Tohono O’odham Nation, a federally recognized tribe with a reservation that spans 75 miles of the US-Mexico border, announced on Thursday that it does not support the wall and criticized the White House for signing an executive order without consulting the tribe.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/over-my-dead-body-tribe-aims-to-block-trumps-border-wall-on-arizona-land/ar-AAmi0J3?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

[Brillopad]

Donald Trump’s proposed border wall could face a major obstacle in Arizona, where an indigenous tribe has vowed to oppose construction on its land, paving the way for potential mass resistance following the model of Standing Rock.

The Tohono O’odham Nation, a federally recognized tribe with a reservation that spans 75 miles of the US-Mexico border, announced on Thursday that it does not support the wall and criticized the White House for signing an executive order without consulting the tribe.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/over-my-dead-body-tribe-aims-to-block-trumps-border-wall-on-arizona-land/ar-AAmi0J3?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

That makes interesting reading and is likely to have a significant affect on his plans. Can't imagine how he will negotiate his way round this one. He should have done his homework first and, at the very least, had some discussion with them first. It will be interesting to see what happens.

[Kizzy]

My guess is he'll still build the wall but leave them on the Mexican side.

[user104658]

My guess is he'll still build the wall but leave them on the Mexican side.

Then he would either have to gift that land to Mexico (which again I think would be practically impossible without the tribe agreeing to it) OR it would open up a potential loophole, where if a Mexican family was to set up home within that land an have children, that baby will have birthright citizenship in the US. To stop THAT from happening he would need to alter the US Constitution (never going to happen).

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

the Donald doing what he promised to the people

You won't be clapping when the repercussions of his rash and stupid actions happen.

http://i.imgur.com/OxbfTSu.jpg

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I hope he's planning on a Norway ban too. They don't want a bunch of Anders Breivik gaining access to a land where there has been more white terrorism than terrorism by other races.


Oh and surprise. He failed to ban the Muslim countries where he has business, like Turkey. Ew he makes me sick

[DemolitionRed]

The traditional hunting and gathering grounds of the Tohono O'odham Nation stretch on both sides of the international border. Their treaties with the U.S. Government (1874 and 1882) guarantee unrestricted access to their hunting grounds forever.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I hope he's planning on a Norway ban too. They don't want a bunch of Anders Breivik gaining access to a land where there has been more white terrorism than terrorism by other races.


Oh and surprise. He failed to ban the Muslim countries where he has business, like Turkey. Ew he makes me sick

which turkish born terrorists have you got?

[Greg!]

This disgusting man makes me feel sick, not only has he banned all Syrian refugees he's also banning Muslims that have a green card and a right to live in the USA, who are trying to return from holidays. And yet people still defend him??

[arista]

My guess is he'll still build the wall but leave them on the Mexican side.

Kizzy there is a Fence there now
the Replacement Wall
is Fantastic News For
Legal USA Workers.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This disgusting man makes me feel sick, not only has he banned all Syrian refugees he's also banning Muslims that have a green card and a right to live in the USA, who are trying to return from holidays. And yet people still defend him??

Syrian refugees flying to America?

:laugh2:

[Brillopad]

This disgusting man makes me feel sick, not only has he banned all Syrian refugees he's also banning Muslims that have a green card and a right to live in the USA, who are trying to return from holidays. And yet people still defend him??

Why should he let Syrians in?

[MB.]

I wonder if Theresa will take a break from being a spineless waste of space and stand up to this now that one of her own MPs has been banned from entering the US? (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/tory-mp-discovers-donald-trumps-9713829)

[AProducer'sWetDream]

I wonder if Theresa will take a break from being a spineless waste of space and stand up to this now that one of her own MPs has been banned from entering the US? (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/tory-mp-discovers-donald-trumps-9713829)

Highly doubt it. Any so-called 'values' will be thrown under the bus if there is even a possibility of a post-Brexit trade deal.

[Jack_]

825438460265762816

:love:

[AProducer'sWetDream]

825438460265762816

:love:

:love: [2] True leadership- seems to be lacking in our own country right now.

[Tom4784]

He's literally pissing money up a wall.

[Scarlett.]

That makes interesting reading and is likely to have a significant affect on his plans. Can't imagine how he will negotiate his way round this one. He should have done his homework first and, at the very least, had some discussion with them first. It will be interesting to see what happens.

He'll probably push ahead with it anyway, like he is doing with Standing Rock.

[Deirdre]

what about muslims living in America and the EU? The Orlando killer and the Boston bombers were born in the US. I like that he's actually doing something to stop terrorism but I can't see how this will be effective.

[Kizzy]

Has anyone seen the protests at JFK in relation to the visa bans happening atm?.....

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[Maru]

Hi. ACLU managed to get a stay granted by a judge to keep Muslims from being deported. Bye.

825536554579980288

[Jack_]

The ****ing **** is this?

825358392575266816

[arista]

How Nice

[arista]

"Has anyone seen the protests at JFK in relation to the visa bans happening atm?...."


These Demo's Help Trump KIZZY
America is split
JOBS matter more.

[DemolitionRed]

Hi. ACLU managed to get a stay granted by a judge to keep Muslims from being deported. Bye.

825536554579980288



http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/breaking-judge-stays-deportations-trump-order-barring-refugees-migrants-from-muslim-countries-triggers-chaos-outrage/ar-AAmlFFZ?ocid=spartanntp

A federal judge in New York blocked deportations nationwide late Saturday of those detained on entry to the United States after an executive order from President Trump targeted citizens from seven predominantly Muslim countries.
Judge Ann Donnelly of the U.S. District Court in Brooklyn granted a request from the American Civil Liberties Union to stop the deportations after determining that the risk of injury to those detained by being returned to their home countries necessitated the decision.

and http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/judge-halts-deportations-as-refugee-ban-causes-worldwide-furor/ar-AAmlFFZ?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

Minutes after the judge’s ruling in New York, another came in Virginia when U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema issued a temporary restraining order to block for seven days the removal of any green-card holders being detained at Dulles International Airport. Brinkema’s action also ordered that lawyers have access to those held there because of the ban

[DemolitionRed]

Green card holders, duel citizens of places like Britain. Five year old kids, law abiding people with established, legitimate lives in the US, targeted.

When an Iraqi translator for the US military ends up in hand cuffs coz the rules changes mid-flight, and Congressmen have to step in to help him, something is very, very wrong.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/28/judge-blocks-part-of-trump-s-immigration-ban-after-his-own-lawyers-can-t-justify-it.html?source=TDB&via=FB_Page

[jaxie]

Well what you can say about him so far is that he keeps his election promises and you can't always say that about a politician.

[DemolitionRed]

Well what you can say about him so far is that he keeps his election promises and you can't always say that about a politician.

Even if that election promise would mean breaking his presidential oath and flagrantly violate the Constitution and Bill of Rights?

What next? martial law? He's going to need that if he carries on like this.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The ****ing **** is this?

825358392575266816

iv already called

[Scarlett.]

Jesus, Trump gets more pathetic by the day.

[Kizzy]

"Has anyone seen the protests at JFK in relation to the visa bans happening atm?...."


These Demo's Help Trump KIZZY
America is split
JOBS matter more.

Really? looks like civil war to me....

[Kizzy]

iv already called

He doesn't want you, only US rednecks need apply.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/petition-calling-for-ban-on-donald-trump-hits-100000-signatures-in-less-than-5-hours-a7551756.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-jeremy-corbyn-uk-mp-immigration-policy-theresa-may-response-a7551636.html

[Tom4784]

A week in and he's already flailing, I think my prediction of him only lasting a year is an overestimation.

[Kizzy]

Was this planned, I thought that decisions had to go via congress like our parliament... He just seems to be changing laws, amending conventional responsibilities, and removing rights with a tweet!
Surely it's all designed to oust him from the inside?... * crosses fingers *

[Jack_]

I don't know whether we should be longing for his impeachment, the alternative really isn't much better at all. We have four years of this divisive nonsense, and it'll be eight if the Democrats don't get their act together.

[Kizzy]

Come on Mr Sanders! ... (no not the KFC guy)

[user104658]

I don't know whether we should be longing for his impeachment, the alternative really isn't much better at all. We have four years of this divisive nonsense, and it'll be eight if the Democrats don't get their act together.

I thought this at first but I'm beginning to change my mind. In my opinion any alternative is much more likey to at least toe the line. Trump is thus far looking completely ****ing unstable.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I see the sore losers are not resorting to name calling


how fckg predictable

did not take long

[MB.]

Yes, that's the real problem here, name calling xo

[Withano]

http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/588a4d3c1700002f001d0981.png

[MB.]

Not to mention that more Americans are killed in lightning strikes than domestic terrorist attacks, which I'm sure would lead Trump to try and ban all weather

[Brillopad]

http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/588a4d3c1700002f001d0981.png

I wonder if you would be so blase about that if one of those fatalities had been someone close to you.. Always different when it is faceless strangers hey...

The more people we let in the more extremists we will get and your chart will change considerably.

[Jack_]

Will it now?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3ReWexWEAAL6WQ.jpg:large

[Brillopad]

Will it now?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3ReWexWEAAL6WQ.jpg:large

And!

So if you are unlucky enough to have a loved one of yours killed by an Islamic terrorist we will console you with meaningless remarks such as poor them only a small number of people get killed by islamic terrorists - would that give you some peace?

Besides that figure will increase big time with the amount of immigrants coming to the West. - it is inevitable.

Lol at the armed toddlers.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i see its turned into a death pissing contest courtesy of twitter


how lovely

[rk3388]

And!

So if you are unlucky enough to have a loved one of yours killed by an Islamic terrorist we will console you with meaningless remarks such as poor them only a small number of people get killed by islamic terrorists - would that give you some peace?

Besides that figure will increase big time with the amount of immigrants coming to the West. - it is inevitable.

Lol at the armed toddlers.

Please be careful when saying things such as "lol at the armed toddlers".

I have my Fire Arms license and in training we learn it is common for kids to find hidden guns and accidentally shoot their loved ones not knowing better- not a laughing matter at all.

[Brillopad]

Please be careful when saying things such as "lol at the armed toddlers".

I have my Fire Arms license and in training we learn it is common for kids to find hidden guns and accidentally shoot their loved ones not knowing better- not a laughing matter at all.

Of course it isn't, but seeing it on that chart like that seemed funny at the time but I see your point.

[Brillopad]

[QUOTE=Jack_;9188712]Will it now?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3ReWexWEAAL6WQ.jpg:large[/QUOTE

Doesn't 9/11 count? What about the next 9/11?

[Withano]

I wonder if you would be so blase about that if one of those fatalities had been someone close to you.. Always different when it is faceless strangers hey...

The more people we let in the more extremists we will get and your chart will change considerably.

Right.. But if you had a better conceptual understanding of graphs, you could see for yourself that extermists are not the problem, as far as America goes, theyre barely a problem. Maybe take another look, Jack posted a clearer one which may help you understand how dumb Trumps team and those who agree with them are being.

[Withano]

Lol at the armed toddlers.

Would you be so blasé if it was somebody you loved instead if a couple hundred faceless strangers?

[Brillopad]

Right.. But if you had a better conceptual understanding of graphs, you could see for yourself that extermists are not the problem, as far as America goes, theyre barely a problem. Maybe take another look, Jack posted a clearer one which may help you understand how dumb Trumps team and those who agree with them are being.

But there is no denying that will change with considerably more immigrants coming in to the USA unless of course Trump's ban works,

[Brillopad]

Would you be so blasé if it was somebody you loved instead if a couple hundred faceless strangers?

Definitely not.

[Withano]

But there is no denying that will change with considerably more immigrants coming in to the USA unless of course Trump's ban works,

What are your current thoughts on this ban inspiring more attacks...
At the moment, less Americans are killed by extremists than they are toddlers.. How would you react if this was to change as a direct retaliation of the ban?

Wouldnt it be awful if the graph no longer looked the way it does in 4 years time due to Trump and his supporters paranoia

[Brillopad]

What are your current thoughts on this ban inspiring more attacks...
At the moment, less Americans are killed by extremists than they are toddlers.. How would you react if this was to change as a direct retaliation of the ban?

Wouldnt it be awful if the graph no longer looked the way it does in 4 years time due to Trump and his supporters paranoia

Lots of ifs and buts, but do you want the West to be held to ransom like that - too scared to act for fear of reprisals - that plays right into the terrorists hands. They thrive on creating fear and we cannot play their game and be intimidated by them.

They will continue to commit terrorist acts until they get their way and create an Islamic West and unless you are prepared to give in to that you have to accept it is going to continue wall or no wall. To minimise the effects we have to make it harder for those from the outside to get in.

[Withano]

Lots of ifs and buts, but do you want the West to be held to ransom like that - too scared to act for fear of reprisals - that plays right into the terrorists hands. They thrive on creating fear and we cannot play their game and be intimidated by them.

They will continue to commit terrorist acts until they get their way and create an Islamic West and unless you are prepared to give in to that you have to accept it is going to continue wall or no wall. To minimise the effects we have to make it harder for those from the outside to get in.

But acting on fear is precisely what you are suggesting. I dont think you're thinking this through enough to warrant any more replies for me.

[Brillopad]

I did a simple check on google and found an article that was actually against Trump's ban and stated that 123 Americans have been killed in America by Islamic terrorists since 9/11, which works out about 20 something per year, considerably more than 2. God knows what others will say so think we need to take your little graph with a pinch of salt.

[Brillopad]

But acting on fear is precisely what you are suggesting. I dont think you're thinking this through enough to warrant any more replies for me.

No loss! :wavey:

[DemolitionRed]

A Federal Judge Just Issued a Stay Against Donald Trump's "Muslim Ban

A federal judge in Brooklyn issued an emergency stay Saturday night against President Donald Trump's executive order banning immigration from certain predominantly Muslim countries, temporarily allowing people who have landed in the United States with a valid visa to remain.
The ruling—a stunning defeat for Trump at the end of his first week in office



http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/01/muslim-ban-federal-court

[Crimson Dynamo]

A Federal Judge Just Issued a Stay Against Donald Trump's "Muslim Ban

A federal judge in Brooklyn issued an emergency stay Saturday night against President Donald Trump's executive order banning immigration from certain predominantly Muslim countries, temporarily allowing people who have landed in the United States with a valid visa to remain.
The ruling—a stunning defeat for Trump at the end of his first week in office



http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/01/muslim-ban-federal-court

People also ask

What is the Mother Jones?

Is Mother Jones a credible source?

Mother Jones would be considered more opinion than news. If you are looking for unbiased, straightforward news I do not think you would like to use Mother Jones as your source. Mother Jones has a well known left lean to it.


page one of google when you google mother jones



Nice, try, no cigar:joker:

[MB.]

I mean, it's also the top story on BBC News if that isn't too commie for you

[Crimson Dynamo]

I mean, it's also the top story on BBC News if that isn't too commie for you
I was referring to this bolloxio

"The ruling—a stunning defeat for Trump at the end of his first week in office"

[MB.]

Not to mention the "quote" in your post is from some random bloke on Quora, which we all know is a much more respectable source

[Crimson Dynamo]

aq1NnLLQAA8

[MB.]

I was referring to this bolloxio

"The ruling—a stunning defeat for Trump at the end of his first week in office"


Yes, because it's been a bloody wonderful week for Trump :unsure:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes, because it's been a bloody wonderful week for Trump :unsure:

IT has, he has met TM and has astounded the world with how to plow ahead with what you said you would. I would imagine the whole Trump team are ecstatic at what has been achieved so far

:clap1:

[MB.]

IT has, he has met TM and has astounded the world with how to plow ahead with what you said you would. I would imagine the whole Trump team are ecstatic at what has been achieved so far

:clap1:

If you ignore the fact that one of the major parts of his flagship policy has just been halted, or the mass global protests against him, or Sean Spicer's disastrous first few days as Press Secretary, or pretty much everything else that's happened, yes

[DemolitionRed]

Jewish groups weren't thrilled with the timing of Trump's actions:
Washington (CNN)Many organizations that advocate for refugees slammed President Donald Trump's executive action Friday imposing "extreme vetting" on those fleeing to America, among them Jewish groups that took particular exception to the day on which he signed it: Holocaust Remembrance Day.
"It's repulsive," said Mark Hetfield, president and CEO of the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, a faith-based nonprofit dedicated to resettling refugees in the United States. "I mean, the timing is incredibly offensive."
"It was during the Holocaust that the world shamefully refused to give asylum to Jews and to others who were being murdered or about to be murdered in Nazi Germany," Hetfield added, referring to the US government's decision to turn away European refugees during World War II.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/27/politics/trump-refuge…

[Crimson Dynamo]

If you ignore the fact that one of the major parts of his flagship policy has just been halted, or the mass global protests against him, or Sean Spicer's disastrous first few days as Press Secretary, or pretty much everything else that's happened, yes

i understand that is your subjective summary but I also understand its just that

[DemolitionRed]

People also ask

What is the Mother Jones?

Is Mother Jones a credible source?

Mother Jones would be considered more opinion than news. If you are looking for unbiased, straightforward news I do not think you would like to use Mother Jones as your source. Mother Jones has a well known left lean to it.


page one of google when you google mother jones



Nice, try, no cigar:joker:

Mother Jones is a well respected leading independent news organization

[Crimson Dynamo]

Mother Jones is a well respected leading independent news organization

Like Fox?

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.debate.org/opinions/is-mother-jones-a-credible-source

appears not

[MB.]

"Big-Big Biased Piece of Socialist Agenda Crap"

Well, that's me convinced

[DemolitionRed]

Same news http://perspectivabetica.com/2017/01/29/a-federal-judge-just-issued-a-stay-against-donald-trumps/

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/ohio-injunction-trump-roger-stone-polls-230754

http://usflash.org/world/2017/01/29/171280-a-federal-judge-just-issued-a-stay-against-donald-trumps-muslim-ban.html

[Brillopad]

A Federal Judge Just Issued a Stay Against Donald Trump's "Muslim Ban

A federal judge in Brooklyn issued an emergency stay Saturday night against President Donald Trump's executive order banning immigration from certain predominantly Muslim countries, temporarily allowing people who have landed in the United States with a valid visa to remain.
The ruling—a stunning defeat for Trump at the end of his first week in office



http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/01/muslim-ban-federal-court

Only temporary and only those with a visa.

[Kizzy]

Like Fox?

:joker::joker::joker:



Fox is not news, it's an echo chamber.

[Brillopad]

So basically many on here are saying that the death of a few Americans via terrorist hands is preferable to banning Muslims from the country. Even an increase in that figure would be preferred to denying Muslims the right to stay. Nice. As long as it isn't their own of course.

[Tom4784]

I wonder if you would be so blase about that if one of those fatalities had been someone close to you.. Always different when it is faceless strangers hey...

The more people we let in the more extremists we will get and your chart will change considerably.

It doesn't change a thing, you're bringing emotions into a discussion about facts because you can't argue with the said facts.

If you wish to generalise threats in America then why aren't you campaigning against socially awkward white teenagers since they are more likely to kill people en masse in the US than a Muslim is. Domestic terrorism IE school shootings, attacks on abortion clinics, other types of mass shootings in public places are more common than a terrorist attack from a foreign extremist. Even when you look at the domestic attacks, the chances of being killed by a muslim terrorist are less than that than an upset white teenager that's mad at the world.

The restrictions placed on Muslim countries will not prevent terrorism, it is just a placebo for the willfully ignorant. Attitudes like yours are part of the problem and I believe Trump's actions will likely lead to more than one major terrorist attack in the near future since he is aggravating the situation instead of taking meaningful actions to solve the problem once and for all.

[Kizzy]

So basically many on here are saying that the death of a few Americans via terrorist hands is preferable to banning Muslims from the country. Even an increase in that figure would be preferred to denying Muslims the right to stay. Nice. As long as it isn't their own of course.

Basically no, nobody is saying that, this is something you are attempting to project onto other members wrongly.

[Alf]

Not to mention that more Americans are killed in lightning strikes than domestic terrorist attacks, which I'm sure would lead Trump to try and ban all weatherWhat are you trying to tell us? Are you saying we don't need to worry about terrorism, but instead concentrate on the weather?

[Greg!]

As well as being an absolute racist twat, Donald trump is incredibly stupid as well. There have been ZERO Americans killed by citizens of any of the banned countries since 1975. People have been killed by Saudis and Egyptians but those countries aren't banned- I wonder why! Oh yeah, it's because Trump has business interests in those countries.

[Northern Monkey]

I think stringent checks on people from those countries is only sensible.However a ban is going to turn out to be pretty impractical and unworkable.For example there is a Conservative politician in Britain who was born in Iraq.What if he needs to go to the US on business?I think a ban will bring all kinds of problems.It will be a logistical nightmare.
I don't agree with his ban on refugees either.The US needs to be taking its fair share in along with every other country.Not doing so will just put more stress on Europe.
He's not thinking things through.It's almost like giving a toddler the keys to your car.

[Kizzy]

As well as being an absolute racist twat, Donald trump is incredibly stupid as well. There have been ZERO Americans killed by citizens of any of the banned countries since 1975. People have been killed by Saudis and Egyptians but those countries aren't banned- I wonder why! Oh yeah, it's because Trump has business interests in those countries.

To appease the rednecks, stand by for some good ol fashioned lynchings yeeee ha!!

[Withano]

As well as being an absolute racist twat, Donald trump is incredibly stupid as well. There have been ZERO Americans killed by citizens of any of the banned countries since 1975. People have been killed by Saudis and Egyptians but those countries aren't banned- I wonder why! Oh yeah, it's because Trump has business interests in those countries.

Its painful.

[Deirdre]

I think stringent checks on people from those countries is only sensible.However a ban is going to turn out to be pretty impractical and unworkable.For example there is a Conservative politician in Britain who was born in Iraq.What if he needs to go to the US on business?I think a ban will bring all kinds of problems.It will be a logistical nightmare.
I don't agree with his ban on refugees either.The US needs to be taking its fair share in along with every other country.Not doing so will just put more stress on Europe.
He's not thinking things through.It's almost like giving a toddler the keys to your car.

I agree. He has the right idea but going about it in the wrong way. He needs to focus on people living in his own country who have been investigated by the FBI for links to terrorism. Anyone can see that this is where the major issue lies.

[Brillopad]

It doesn't change a thing, you're bringing emotions into a discussion about facts because you can't argue with the said facts.

If you wish to generalise threats in America then why aren't you campaigning against socially awkward white teenagers since they are more likely to kill people en masse in the US than a Muslim is. Domestic terrorism IE school shootings, attacks on abortion clinics, other types of mass shootings in public places are more common than a terrorist attack from a foreign extremist. Even when you look at the domestic attacks, the chances of being killed by a muslim terrorist are less than that than an upset white teenager that's mad at the world.

The restrictions placed on Muslim countries will not prevent terrorism, it is just a placebo for the willfully ignorant. Attitudes like yours are part of the problem and I believe Trump's actions will likely lead to more than one major terrorist attack in the near future since he is aggravating the situation instead of taking meaningful actions to solve the problem once and for all.

Attitudes like yours put everybody at risk as you constantly put your desire to appease Muslims above anything else. There will undoubtedly be a major terrorist attack in the near future, that has been on the cards for a long time, hardly rocket science, but of course the anti-Trumps will try to put that on him and his ban rather than the hate filled bitter Muslim terrorists who thrive on terrorising people and who have been looking for the opportunity to do so for some time. The fact that more attacks have not occurred is because they have been thwarted by good intelligence.

Hopefully the opportunity to carry out an attack will further be thwarted by the ban - we don't want to make it too easy for them do we? They will probably attack Americans elsewhere in the world where it will be easier to get at them.

As for wilful ignorance I see plenty of that coming from the anti-Trump side from those furious that he actually had the nerve to keep his word. Like it or not this is what many of the American electorate wanted and why he was voted in And he owes an allegiance to them not left-leaning Brits who want to try to tell Americans what they can and can't do in their country or left/leaning Americans who didn't vote for him. At the end of the day he is trying to protect all Americans even if some are too stupid to see that and can only focus on the rights of the Muslim minority.

Socially awkward teenagers cannot be compared to religous groups as they are Americans and the responsibility of the American system. The same duty of responsibility is not owed to immigrants who abuse the privilege of being allowed into America.

It is irrelevant how many Americans/Westerners are killed in other ways, if we can stop more being killed by religous groups who hate our freedoms and way of life and seek to destroy that, it is a good thing not a bad thing.

[MB.]

What are you trying to tell us? Are you saying we don't need to worry about terrorism, but instead concentrate on the weather?

No, that's not what I'm saying in the slightest

[Crimson Dynamo]

not here for this weather shade

:suspect:

[Kizzy]

Attitudes like yours put everybody at risk as you constantly put your desire to appease Muslims above anything else. There will undoubtedly be a major terrorist attack in the near future, that has been on the cards for a long time, hardly rocket science, but of course the anti-Trumps will try to put that on him and his ban rather than the hate filled bitter Muslim terrorists who thrive on terrorising people and who have been looking for the opportunity to do so for some time. The fact that more attacks have not occurred is because they have been thwarted by good intelligence.

Hopefully the opportunity to carry out an attack will further be thwarted by the ban - we don't want to make it too easy for them do we? They will probably attack Americans elsewhere in the world where it will be easier to get at them.

As for wilful ignorance I see plenty of that coming from the anti-Trump side from those furious that he actually had the nerve to keep his word. Like it or not this is what many of the American electorate wanted and why he was voted in And he owes an allegiance to them not left-leaning Brits who want to try to tell Americans what they can and can't do in their country or left/leaning Americans who didn't vote for him. At the end of the day he is trying to protect all Americans even if some are too stupid to see that and can only focus on the rights of the Muslim minority.

Socially awkward teenagers cannot be compared to religous groups as they are Americans and the responsibility of the American system. The same duty of responsibility is not owed to immigrants who abuse the privilege of being allowed into America.

It is irrelevant how many Americans/Westerners are killed in other ways, if we can stop more being killed by religous groups who hate our freedoms and way of life and seek to destroy that, it is a good thing not a bad thing.

What is your strategy for home grown terrorism?

[DemolitionRed]

So basically many on here are saying that the death of a few Americans via terrorist hands is preferable to banning Muslims from the country. Even an increase in that figure would be preferred to denying Muslims the right to stay. Nice. As long as it isn't their own of course.

The general rule is, if you don't want refugees, then don't go into their countries and bomb them to pieces, or support people bombing them to pieces. America btw, had a big hand in that... happy to go to war but reluctant to face the humanitarian consequences of those wars.

And another thing; why is SAUDI ARABIA EXEMPT? Those fcukers are responsible for more terrorism than anybody else.

The lack of humanity from some people on these boards towards people who have no homes because America has flattened their country, is truly staggering.

[Kizzy]

The general rule is, if you don't want refugees, then don't go into their countries and bomb them to pieces, or support people bombing them to pieces. America btw, had a big hand in that... happy to go to war but reluctant to face the humanitarian consequences of those wars.

And another thing; why is SAUDI ARABIA EXEMPT? Those fcukers are responsible for more terrorism than anybody else.

The lack of humanity from some people on these boards towards people who have no homes because America has flattened their country, is truly staggering.

Welcome to Britain
http://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/b4cd917b909692b0427d7ffdf2057fb1d4a0f7da.jpg

[Tom4784]

Attitudes like yours put everybody at risk as you constantly put your desire to appease Muslims above anything else. There will undoubtedly be a major terrorist attack in the near future, that has been on the cards for a long time, hardly rocket science, but of course the anti-Trumps will try to put that on him and his ban rather than the hate filled bitter Muslim terrorists who thrive on terrorising people and who have been looking for the opportunity to do so for some time. The fact that more attacks have not occurred is because they have been thwarted by good intelligence.

Hopefully the opportunity to carry out an attack will further be thwarted by the ban - we don't want to make it too easy for them do we? They will probably attack Americans elsewhere in the world where it will be easier to get at them.

As for wilful ignorance I see plenty of that coming from the anti-Trump side from those furious that he actually had the nerve to keep his word. Like it or not this is what many of the American electorate wanted and why he was voted in And he owes an allegiance to them not left-leaning Brits who want to try to tell Americans what they can and can't do in their country or left/leaning Americans who didn't vote for him. At the end of the day he is trying to protect all Americans even if some are too stupid to see that and can only focus on the rights of the Muslim minority.

Socially awkward teenagers cannot be compared to religous groups as they are Americans and the responsibility of the American system. The same duty of responsibility is not owed to immigrants who abuse the privilege of being allowed into America.

It is irrelevant how many Americans/Westerners are killed in other ways, if we can stop more being killed by religous groups who hate our freedoms and way of life and seek to destroy that, it is a good thing not a bad thing.

All the ban will achieve is make America a bigger target. The ban does nothing to stop terrorism, it's just for the sake of people like you who are wilfully ignorant.

It's not about appeasement, it's about common sense. Not all muslims are terrorists and it does nothing good to treat innocent people as suspects based on nothing but your own paranoid fears. What Trump is doing is unconstitutional and goes against the core tenets that the US was built upon. It's rather sad that you are supporting the infringement of human rights because you are crippled by fear especially when this ban will do nothing to actually help.

People who gladly throw their own rights away and the rights of others to feel a false sense of security make me sick.

Your third paragraph is just the typical useless 'LEFT IS THE DEVIL' rubbish that you present as fact although it isn't in the slightest. You've ignored actual facts presented by peopel in thsi thread because you can't argue against them, like usual, you don't have a leg to stand on.

Your point about downplaying terrorism committed by non-muslim parties is silly too, there hasn't been a Muslim terrorist attack carried out by a foreign party in any of the banned countries since 1975 like Greg said so what's the point of this ban? It's a meaningless measure meant to appease the ignorant and not actually achieve anything in the process.

When it comes to terrorism, the biggest threat to the average American isn't every Muslim from abroad but white mass shooters that were born and raised in America. It's kind of odd how you are so willing to breeze past that to screech about arabic people and muslims.

[Kizzy]

Empty vessels make the most noise.

[Brillopad]

All the ban will achieve is make America a bigger target. The ban does nothing to stop terrorism, it's just for the sake of people like you who are wilfully ignorant.

It's not about appeasement, it's about common sense. Not all muslims are terrorists and it does nothing good to treat innocent people as suspects based on nothing but your own paranoid fears. What Trump is doing is unconstitutional and goes against the core tenets that the US was built upon. It's rather sad that you are supporting the infringement of human rights because you are crippled by fear especially when this ban will do nothing to actually help.

People who gladly throw their own rights away and the rights of others to feel a false sense of security make me sick.

Your third paragraph is just the typical useless 'LEFT IS THE DEVIL' rubbish that you present as fact although it isn't in the slightest. You've ignored actual facts presented by peopel in thsi thread because you can't argue against them, like usual, you don't have a leg to stand on.

Your point about downplaying terrorism committed by non-muslim parties is silly too, there hasn't been a Muslim terrorist attack carried out by a foreign party in any of the banned countries since 1975 like Greg said so what's the point of this ban? It's a meaningless measure meant to appease the ignorant and not actually achieve anything in the process.

When it comes to terrorism, the biggest threat to the average American isn't every Muslim from abroad but white mass shooters that were born and raised in America. It's kind of odd how you are so willing to breeze past that to screech about arabic people and muslims.

Can't be bothered to continue with a mod who doesn't abide by his own forum's rules by not insulting members. Not exactly setting a good example to forum members is it. :wavey:

[DemolitionRed]

Can't be bothered to continue with a mod who doesn't abide by his own forum's rules by not insulting members. Not exactly setting a good example to forum members is it. :wavey:

Tata :wavey:

[Brillopad]

Tata :wavey:

Did I say I was leaving the thread, just not conversing with those that don't follow their own rules. Shame.

[Tom4784]

Can't be bothered to continue with a mod who doesn't abide by his own forum's rules by not insulting members. Not exactly setting a good example to forum members is it. :wavey:

Here comes the traditional 'I can't argue with what you're saying so I'm gonna make out that I'm being bullied by a mod when I'm not because I can't admit defeat' card.

It's funny because I've not insulted you, in fact you're the one that's gotten personal by bringing up the fact that I'm a mod as an attempt to try and shut down my opinion.

[Brillopad]

Here comes the traditional 'I can't argue with what you're saying so I'm gonna make out that I'm being bullied by a mod when I'm not because I can't admit defeat' card.

It's funny because I've not insulted you, in fact you're the one that's gotten personal by bringing up the fact that I'm a mod as an attempt to try and shut down my opinion.

So directly calling me 'wilfully ignorant' isn't insulting. I have been infracted for less. So it is okay for us to call each other ignorant, or is that only for mods. I would have thought is less acceptable for mods as they have an example to set.

Challenge my posts all you like, I am no angel, but don't directly insult me as it is against the rules and you know it.

[Tom4784]

So directly calling me 'wilfully ignorant' isn't insulting. I have been infracted for less. So it is okay for us to call each other ignorant, or is that only for mods. I would have thought is less acceptable for mods as they have an example to set.

Challenge my posts all you like, I am no angel, but don't directly insult me as it is against the rules and you know it.

Well that's a lie. You have six infractions and none of them are for calling anyone ignorant.

I only infract insults if they are actually insults, saying that someone is ignorant is not something I'd consider an insult especially in this context as you have ignored or downplayed facts presented by others that don't suit your agenda. That is pretty ignorant.

If I used an actual abusive term against you then you'd be right but ignorance, like bigot is a descriptor of someone's opinion. Not an insult.

[Brillopad]

Well that's a lie. You have six infractions and none of them are for calling anyone ignorant.

I only infract insults if they are actually insults, saying that someone is ignorant is not something I'd consider an insult especially in this context as you have ignored or downplayed facts presented by others that don't suit your agenda. That is pretty ignorant.

If I used an actual abusive term against you then you'd be right but ignorance, like bigot is a descriptor of someone's opinion. Not an insult.

No they were for being less offensive than that. How have I lied? Proof please.

Ok so we can all take it that it is ok to call each their ignorant.

Now we know.

[Kizzy]

So directly calling me 'wilfully ignorant' isn't insulting. I have been infracted for less. So it is okay for us to call each other ignorant, or is that only for mods. I would have thought is less acceptable for mods as they have an example to set.

Challenge my posts all you like, I am no angel, but don't directly insult me as it is against the rules and you know it.

To be fair, is it really that unfounded?

lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact:

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/ignorant

[Tom4784]

No they were for being less offensive than that. How have I lied? Proof please.

Ok so we can all take it that it is ok to call each their ignorant.

Now we know.

With your permission I could screenshot your infractions for you if you like? Would that be proof enough?

Yes, I have no problem with you or anyone calling anyone ignorant, it's not an insult.

[Brillopad]

To be fair, is it really that unfounded?

lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact:

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/ignorant

In these types of topics people on both sides are critical of each other but you point out where I have said anything worse than anyone else. I choose my words carefully, due to previous experience, and I am not the one that got too personal.

[Brillopad]

With your permission I could screenshot your infractions for you if you like? Would that be proof enough?

Yes, I have no problem with you or anyone calling anyone ignorant, it's not an insult.

What are you on about - what did I lie about - explain. I never said I got banned for calling someone ignorant, I said I got banned for less. Where is the lie?

[Kizzy]

Boris Johnson has secured an exemption for most British citizens from Donald Trump's 'Muslim ban'.

Under the assurance received from figures in Mr Trump's administration almost all UK nationals would be exempt, except dual citizens travelling to the US directly from one of seven listed countries.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-secures-exemption-british-citizens-donald-trump-muslim-ban-migration-latest-a7552386.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

Empty vessels make the most noise.

Only if banged incessantly

:idc:

[Tom4784]

What are you on about - what did I lie about - explain. I never said I got banned for calling someone ignorant, I said I got banned for less. Where is the lie?

In fairness, there are two infractions that I disagree with but the rest? All worse than calling someone ignorant.

Upon doing the maths, you got banned for one of the infractions that was worse than calling someone ignorant so I'm not wrong in my initial assessment.

[Brillopad]

In fairness, there are two infractions that I disagree with but the rest? All worse than calling someone ignorant.

Upon doing the maths, you got banned for one of the infractions that was worse than calling someone ignorant so I'm not wrong in my initial assessment.

What assessment - that I'm supposedly a liar. Would love to know what I lied about - so I'm ignorant and a liar. Yeah, yeah.

If someone infracts me for calling someone ignorant I will be sure to remind them of this conversation.

[Tom4784]

What assessment - that I'm supposedly a liar. Would love to know what I lied about - so I'm ignorant and a liar. Yeah, yeah.

If someone infracts me for calling someone ignorant I will be sure to remind them of this conversation.

It's all there, you've just got to read it.

[DemolitionRed]

The US Customs and Border Protection Agency at Dulles International Airport has refused to grant attorneys access to any detainees it may be holding, according to Sharifa Abassi, who is coordinating the volunteer lawyer efforts underway there. Yesterday, a federal judge for the Eastern District of Virginia ordered respondents, who include CBP, President Trump, and the CBP Port Director for Dulles Wayne Biondi, to “permit lawyers access to all legal permanent residents being detained at Dulles International Airport.”

Abassi says late Sunday morning a border agent told lawyers that agents have been instructed not to speak with them. About 15 lawyers have been directed to call Steve Sapp, an official with the CBP Office of Public Affairs, but have so far have not had their calls answered or returned. Washingtonian called the number, which directed reporters to a cellphone number whose voicemail was full.

Abbasi and one other lawyer we spoke to say officials at Dulles have refused to engage with the lawyers since this morning. A border agent who agreed to bring the lawyers’ request for access to detainees, as well as a copy of the order, to her supervisor came back with this message: “It’s not going to happen.”

https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/01/29/customs-and-border-protection-still-not-allowing-lawyers-to-see-detainees/

This could be the beginning of the end of the US as a constitutional republic.

[Brillopad]

It's all there, you've just got to read it.

Really!!!

I've seen and heard it all now.

How do I put someone on ignore?

[Withano]

Really!!!

I've seen and heard it all now.

How do I put someone on ignore?

Is your ignore list exclusive or are you doing requests?

You go on their profile, press the 'user lists' dropdown menu and select 'add to ignore list'

[Brillopad]

Really!!!

I've seen and heard it all now.

How do I put someone on ignore?

Is your ignore list exclusive or are you doing requests?

You go on their profile, press the 'user lists' dropdown menu and select 'add to ignore list'

Ta.

[Jack_]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/jihadist-groups-hail-trumps-travel-ban-as-a-victory/2017/01/29/50908986-e66d-11e6-b82f-687d6e6a3e7c_story.html?tid=sm_tw_pw&utm_term=.95487921a43c

Colour me surprised :rolleyes: what was I saying a few months ago about these kinds of policies pandering to Islamic fundamentalists again?

[Tom4784]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/jihadist-groups-hail-trumps-travel-ban-as-a-victory/2017/01/29/50908986-e66d-11e6-b82f-687d6e6a3e7c_story.html?tid=sm_tw_pw&utm_term=.95487921a43c

Colour me surprised :rolleyes: what was I saying a few months ago about these kinds of policies pandering to Islamic fundamentalists again?

Yup, it gives them more ammunition.

[Scarlett.]

Good video on the protests here, I like how its filmed, just basically showing the human side to it.

GF9B-9PH4qQ

[DemolitionRed]

http://addictinginfo.org/2017/01/28/report-five-year-old-girl-is-detained-and-separated-from-mother-at-airport-because-of-trumps-muslim-ban/

“It’s not a Muslim ban, but we’re totally prepared,” Trump claimed. “It’s working out very nicely. You see it at the airports, you see it all over. It’s working out very nicely and we’re gonna have a very, very strict ban and we’re going to have extreme vetting, which we should have had in this country for many years.”
Except that it’s NOT “working very nicely” at all.
Thousands of people are finding themselves stranded or detained at airports because of the order. Even holders of green cards are being prevented from entering the United States despite being citizens of this nation. Protests against Trump’s order have also been popping up at airports across the country.
And things got even worse on Saturday evening when security at Dulles International Airport detained a five-year-old girl and refused to let her mother see her.
Seriously, how in the hell is a five-year-old girl even considered a terror threat in this country?
Former Governor Howard Dean posted the news on Twitter and pleaded for an attorney to go to the scene to rescue the girl as soon as possible.

[DemolitionRed]

WASHINGTON —The Trump administration took a major step back late Sunday from its temporary ban on immigrants from seven Muslim-majority countries, issuing a clarification that the order does not apply to green-card holders “absent the receipt of significant derogatory information.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-backs-off-tough-stand-on-green-card-holders/ar-AAmnWmD?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

[Kizzy]

Incredible!UKParliament just voted unanimously urging US Government to repeal the immigration order. Very proud of UKParliament.#MuslimBan
9:11 PM - 30 Jan 2017

Brilliant!!

[Kizzy]

Was this planned, I thought that decisions had to go via congress like our parliament... He just seems to be changing laws, amending conventional responsibilities, and removing rights with a tweet!
Surely it's all designed to oust him from the inside?... * crosses fingers *


A Google engineer had made the same argument in a viral blog post just hours before, arguing that the institution of the Muslim ban could be seen as a "trial balloon for a coup". He pointed to a range of different events – including reports that the Muslim ban was opposed by lawyers at the Department for Homeland Security, who were then overruled by Mr Bannon, and a report from the Guardian that claimed that the White House had "purged" nearly all senior staff at the State Department.

The post by Yonatan Zunger claimed that the administration was in the middle of transferring all executive power "to a tight inner circle, eliminating any possible checks from either the Federal bureaucracy, Congress, or the Courts. Departments are being reorganized or purged to effect this". He also wrote that moves like the Muslim ban and the unexpected events that followed are a way of "actively probing the means by which they can seize unchallenged power".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-michael-moore-coup-us-steve-bannon-sally-yates-rule-of-law-a7554556.html

[DemolitionRed]

Thanks Kizzy

Bannons name is coming up again and again. Here is a recent article about Bannon's perceived influence on the current crop of executive orders:

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2017/01/30/breitbart-clauses-trump-s-executive-orders/215179

Its also well worth the time to read for Bannon insight:
Building the House of Breitbart

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/breitbart-news-drudge-alt-right-koch-trump/

Stephen Bannon is an extreme Alt-Right, anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist, who has absolutely no business being in any position which would influence official government policies.

[Brillopad]

If the so-called extreme right have no business influencing official government policies then clearly neither do the extreme left. Extremes on either side would be equally derisive.

[Kizzy]

If the so-called extreme right have no business influencing official government policies then clearly neither do the extreme left. Extremes on either side would be equally derisive.

Who are these extreme left, is it a particular person, publication or organisation?

[Brillopad]

Who are these extreme left, is it a particular person, publication or organisation?

That works both ways with left thinkers often referring to right thinkers who express strong opinions as 'alt right'.

In my opinion Corbyn, for example, would be a an obvious example of extreme left with his open door and unilateral disarmament policies without thought to the potential consequences of such policies.

[Kizzy]

That works both ways with left thinkers often referring to right thinkers who express strong opinions as 'alt right'.

In my opinion Corbyn, for example, would be a an obvious example of extreme left with his open door and unilateral disarmament policies without thought to the potential consequences of such policies.

Let's not get bogged down with what right or left leaning people do or don't say.

I asked what your example of extreme left was and you gave me Jeremy Corbyn based on his view for disarmament.

'In addition to looking at the factors supporting the reproduction of the UK’s nuclear weapons we should look at the political strength of those supporting disarmament. Nick Ritchie’s research into recent polls shows that the British public appears ‘quite firm in its support of global nuclear disarmament’, whilst its support for the planned replacement of Trident is ‘increasingly limited’. A wider question here is what information reaches the public, how it is framed and how salient nuclear and related security issues become. For example, in addition to focusing on the short-term goal of ‘No Trident replacement’ it may be beneficial for disarmament advocates to propose that the UK become a former NWS.

The reason to have this as a medium to long-term goal is firstly that the UK will always be a NWS according to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty so that, as Scott Sagan argues, former NWS would be ‘more latent’ than states which ‘did not have their technological expertise or operational experience’. Secondly, rather than focusing on scrapping a particular weapons system, former NWS status- as an objective- conveys more appropriately the wider political implications for the UK if it is to live up to its international responsibilities and disarm irreversibly, verifiably and transparently.'


It would seem the majority of Brits agree with him...are they all extreme left?

http://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.uk/publications/briefing_papers_and_reports/politics_british_nuclear_disarmament

[Tom4784]

That works both ways with left thinkers often referring to right thinkers who express strong opinions as 'alt right'.

In my opinion Corbyn, for example, would be a an obvious example of extreme left with his open door and unilateral disarmament policies without thought to the potential consequences of such policies.

The alt right are nazis, simple as. It's not about them 'having strong opinions' it's the fact that when people like Richard Spencer speak at events, people will literally agree with what he is saying with Nazi salutes. Nazi ideology and White Supremacy, that's what the Alt Right is.

There's the right wing and then there's the Alt Right Nazis, if you can't tell the difference between the two then that's rather worrying.

[Brillopad]

Let's not get bogged down with what right or left leaning people do or don't say.

I asked what your example of extreme left was and you gave me Jeremy Corbyn based on his view for disarmament.

'In addition to looking at the factors supporting the reproduction of the UK’s nuclear weapons we should look at the political strength of those supporting disarmament. Nick Ritchie’s research into recent polls shows that the British public appears ‘quite firm in its support of global nuclear disarmament’, whilst its support for the planned replacement of Trident is ‘increasingly limited’. A wider question here is what information reaches the public, how it is framed and how salient nuclear and related security issues become. For example, in addition to focusing on the short-term goal of ‘No Trident replacement’ it may be beneficial for disarmament advocates to propose that the UK become a former NWS.

The reason to have this as a medium to long-term goal is firstly that the UK will always be a NWS according to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty so that, as Scott Sagan argues, former NWS would be ‘more latent’ than states which ‘did not have their technological expertise or operational experience’. Secondly, rather than focusing on scrapping a particular weapons system, former NWS status- as an objective- conveys more appropriately the wider political implications for the UK if it is to live up to its international responsibilities and disarm irreversibly, verifiably and transparently.'


It would seem the majority of Brits agree with him...are they all extreme left?

http://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.uk/publications/briefing_papers_and_reports/politics_british_nuclear_disarmament

I think most people in theory would support global disarmament not unilateral disarmament. But even that in these Days of extreme terrorism is unlikely. All good in theory but the reality is not quite as clear cut.

So yes I do still think Corbyn, not the majority of Brits, is extreme and irresponsible in many of his views including disarmament. His personal idealism supersedes his common sense and opinions on what is best for the country in my opinion.

[Kizzy]

I think most people in theory would support global disarmament not unilateral disarmament. But even that in these Days of extreme terrorism is unlikely. All good in theory but the reality is not quite as clear cut.

So yes I do still think Corbyn, not the majority of Brits, is extreme and irresponsible in many of his views including disarmament. His personal idealism supersedes his common sense and opinions on what is best for the country in my opinion.

Ah, so what other issues can you pinpoint as idealistic and extreme left by definition?

[the truth]

a politician with backbone who actually delivers on a promise, what a legend
its a TEMPORARY shut down for 3 months to sort out the extreme vetting and keep america safer. the first riule of government is to protect its people. hes succeeded already here and all others have failed. the limp liberals are scared of offending ISIS? FFS pathetic spineless cowards

[Brillopad]

Ah, so what other issues can you pinpoint as idealistic and extreme left by definition?

Open borders, PC gone mad and its hypocritical belief in diversity in skin colour but not in thinking and free speech and its general devaluing of British/Western culture and way of life, which it seems most other cultures want a piece of despite their refusal to integrate.

[user104658]

the limp liberals are scared of offending ISIS? FFS pathetic spineless cowards

Or perhaps, wary of alienating and abusing an entire group of people to the point that they give up hope and become easy targets for radicalisation. Silly cowards, worried about making a problem 100x worse :fist:.

[the truth]

Or perhaps, wary of alienating and abusing an entire group of people to the point that they give up hope and become easy targets for radicalisation. Silly cowards, worried about making a problem 100x worse :fist:.

nope, spineless cowards who allow open borders across 30 nations , no border controls at all, endangering their own people who they are meant to be protecting

[DemolitionRed]

nope, spineless cowards who allow open borders across 30 nations , no border controls at all, endangering their own people who they are meant to be protecting

What are you on about?

[Kizzy]

Open borders, PC gone mad and its hypocritical belief in diversity in skin colour but not in thinking and free speech and its general devaluing of British/Western culture and way of life, which it seems most other cultures want a piece of despite their refusal to integrate.

I meant of Corbyns... Seeing as you have held him up for scrutiny as an example of 'extreme left'.

'PC gone mad' is a soundbite, it has no definition, 'open borders' has no contextual definition. I fail to see where your link is to other cultures in a discussion relating to the extreme left.

[Alf]

Thanks Kizzy

Bannons name is coming up again and again. Here is a recent article about Bannon's perceived influence on the current crop of executive orders:

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2017/01/30/breitbart-clauses-trump-s-executive-orders/215179

Its also well worth the time to read for Bannon insight:
Building the House of Breitbart

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/breitbart-news-drudge-alt-right-koch-trump/

Stephen Bannon is an extreme Alt-Right, anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist, who has absolutely no business being in any position which would influence official government policies.No he isn't.

[Kizzy]

No he isn't.

Oh yes he is!

#pantostylee

[Tom4784]

No he isn't.

He describes himself as Alt-Right and he was a major player at Breitbart, he's a nazi.

[Alf]

He describes himself as Alt-Right and he was a major player at Breitbart, he's a nazi.Great case, you've convinced me.

[Brillopad]

Nazi's were mass murderers so to accuse anyone of being a nazi based on political ideology alone is simple dramatics. Some people do get carried away.

[Tom4784]

Nazi's were mass murderers so to accuse anyone of being a nazi based on political ideology alone is simple dramatics. Some people do get carried away.

1o6-bi3jlxk

Nope, no nazis here.....

Also, you should learn what the Alt Right actually is instead of seeing 'Right' and assuming it applies to you. If you think the Alt Right = Right Wing then you're being more insulting towards the Right Wing than anyone else in this topic.

[Brillopad]

1o6-bi3jlxk

Nope, no nazis here.....

Also, you should learn what the Alt Right actually is instead of seeing 'Right' and assuming it applies to you. If you think the Alt Right = Right Wing then you're being more insulting towards the Right Wing than anyone else in this topic.

Talking of assumptions how did I assume it was being applied to me then, I simply responded to what I thought was a ridiculous point.

I know the difference between the two types of 'right' thanks and, as previously mentioned, I was just responding to you comparing the alt right to nazi's. The only people who compare are other mass murderers/dictators who slaughtered people for so-called ideological reasons.

[DemolitionRed]

No he isn't.

If you can't debate then why come in here? this feels seriously trollish.

[Tom4784]

Talking of assumptions how did I assume it was being applied to me then, I simply responded to what I thought was a ridiculous point.

I know the difference between the two types of 'right' thanks and, as previously mentioned, I was just responding to you comparing the alt right to nazi's. The only people who compare are other mass murderers/dictators who slaughtered people for so-called ideological reasons.

No, The Alt Right are neo nazis and white supremacists and to deny that is to defend them.

[Alf]

If you can't debate then why come in here? this feels seriously trollish.I come in here for a laugh. And for my regressive news.

[Alf]

If you can't debate then why come in here? this feels seriously trollish.You made a statement calling him anti-Semitic, I disagreed with you, what is trolling about that?

Is it trolling when somebody doesn't agree with you? Is that your idea of what trolling is?

[Brillopad]

If you can't debate then why come in here? this feels seriously trollish.

Do we have to go down the route of some people trying to label others as 'trolls' yet again because they don't share their opinions and/or don't respond to their posts to their satisfaction. Such comments have an agenda in my opinion.

[DemolitionRed]

You made a statement calling him anti-Semitic, I disagreed with you, what is trolling about that?

Is it trolling when somebody doesn't agree with you? Is that your idea of what trolling is?

Because this is a discussion room and if you're going to disagree or deny something, then try backing that up with something that can take the discussion further. If all you have is a few meaningless words then don't get a rise when I accuse you of being trollish.

[Alf]

Because this is a discussion room and if you're going to disagree or deny something, then try backing that up with something that can take the discussion further. If all you have is a few meaningless words then don't get a rise when I accuse you of being trollish.That's the thing about me, I come straight to the point, I don't need to wrap it in bulls**t.

[DemolitionRed]

That's the thing about me, I come straight to the point, I don't need to wrap it in bulls**t.

That's your excuse :facepalm:

[Brillopad]

No, The Alt Right are neo nazis and white supremacists and to deny that is to defend them.

Is it really? One minute I don't understand who they are the next I am defending them - bizarre.

[MrTheMan]

Trump...

He looks like an Asian man who had his face dipped in dangerous acid.

Creepy...

[Livia]

That's the thing about me, I come straight to the point, I don't need to wrap it in bulls**t.

No you don't, Alfie. And it's a refreshing change.

[Tom4784]

Is it really? One minute I don't understand who they are the next I am defending them - bizarre.

You don't have to understand something to defend it, proof of that is everywhere in SD....

[user104658]

You don't have to understand something to defend it, proof of that is everywhere in SD....

https://media.giphy.com/media/cBIooxvKerol2/giphy.gif

[Brillopad]

You don't have to understand something to defend it, proof of that is everywhere in SD....

Isn't it just!

[NicolaMcSlay]

so i gotta say i voted trump, and yes i am gay too before i start my take on this.

1. If this was a "muslim ban" he would of ban the other 45 different countries in the world with muslim majority populations, the roll out for this was terrible.
2. He took Obama's list of most dangerous countries and took it a step further than him, but nobody made a big deal about this because hes a "democrat" "FOR THE PEOPLE!!!"
3. This isn't a permanent ban... it is a temp 90 day stop period until the government gets a new plan/way to check people coming in and out of these countries to make sure our country stays safe.
4. Take a lesson out of Europe's books, they let anyone and everyone come in and it's looking more like the middle east, women being raped, bombs and shootings everyday by migrants. It's fine if people come and would like to fit into the european style of living, but do not come to Europe/United States and expect us to conform to your way of life because it is a PRIVILAGE to come here.

this is my take.. i'll be waiting for the I'M RACIST people when muslim isn't even a race :)

[Brillopad]

so i gotta say i voted trump, and yes i am gay too before i start my take on this.

1. If this was a "muslim ban" he would of ban the other 45 different countries in the world with muslim majority populations, the roll out for this was terrible.
2. He took Obama's list of most dangerous countries and took it a step further than him, but nobody made a big deal about this because hes a "democrat" "FOR THE PEOPLE!!!"
3. This isn't a permanent ban... it is a temp 90 day stop period until the government gets a new plan/way to check people coming in and out of these countries to make sure our country stays safe.
4. Take a lesson out of Europe's books, they let anyone and everyone come in and it's looking more like the middle east, women being raped, bombs and shootings everyday by migrants. It's fine if people come and would like to fit into the european style of living, but do not come to Europe/United States and expect us to conform to your way of life because it is a PRIVILAGE to come here.

this is my take.. i'll be waiting for the I'M RACIST people when muslim isn't even a race :)

Well said. It'll all go over the heads of some though, people who certainly don't seem to understand the difference between religion and race. They fixate on race and that is all they can see.

[Kizzy]

Well, that's the dangerous Muslims sorted....what about the dangerous Americans?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/house-votes-to-scrap-obama-rule-on-background-checks-for-gun-ownership-a7560421.html

[Livia]

so i gotta say i voted trump, and yes i am gay too before i start my take on this.

1. If this was a "muslim ban" he would of ban the other 45 different countries in the world with muslim majority populations, the roll out for this was terrible.
2. He took Obama's list of most dangerous countries and took it a step further than him, but nobody made a big deal about this because hes a "democrat" "FOR THE PEOPLE!!!"
3. This isn't a permanent ban... it is a temp 90 day stop period until the government gets a new plan/way to check people coming in and out of these countries to make sure our country stays safe.
4. Take a lesson out of Europe's books, they let anyone and everyone come in and it's looking more like the middle east, women being raped, bombs and shootings everyday by migrants. It's fine if people come and would like to fit into the european style of living, but do not come to Europe/United States and expect us to conform to your way of life because it is a PRIVILAGE to come here.

this is my take.. i'll be waiting for the I'M RACIST people when muslim isn't even a race :)

Great post... welcome to the forum.

[DemolitionRed]

Fridays update on Trumps total arrogance and disrespect for the law...

SEATTLE — A U.S. judge on Friday temporarily blocked President Donald Trump’s ban on travelers and immigrants from seven predominantly Muslim countries after Washington state and Minnesota urged a nationwide hold on the executive order that has launched legal battles across the country.
U.S. District Judge James Robart in Seattle ruled that the states had standing to challenge Trump’s order, which government lawyers disputed, and said they showed their case was likely to succeed.
“The state has met its burden in demonstrating immediate and irreparable injury,” Robart said.
Trump’s order last week sparked protests nationwide and confusion at airports as some travelers were detained. The White House has argued that it will make the country safer.
Washington became the first state to sue over the order that temporarily bans travel for people from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen and suspends the U.S. refugee program.
State Attorney General Bob Ferguson said this week that the travel ban significantly harms residents and effectively mandates discrimination. Minnesota joined the suit two days later.
After the ruling, Ferguson said people from the affected countries can now apply for entry to the U.S.
“Judge Robart’s decision, effective immediately ... puts a halt to President Trump’s unconstitutional and unlawful executive order,” Ferguson said. “The law is a powerful thing — it has the ability to hold everybody accountable to it, and that includes the president of the United States.”
. . . .
Ferguson said the order is harming Washington residents, businesses and its education system. It will reduce tax revenue and impose significant costs on state agencies, as well as make it impossible for some state employees and students to travel, he said.
Washington-based businesses Amazon, Expedia and Microsoft support the state’s efforts to stop the order. They say it’s hurting their operations, too.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/us…
The Seattle Judge went farther than the US District court judges in NYC, Alexandria, VA and Los Angeles, whose orders were read to apply to “green card”/legal residents of the US, who were banned from reentry to the US by Pres. Trump’s Executive Order. The Seattle Order reaches travel visas.
I’m sure the Court found it helpful to hear from Amazon, Expedia and Microsoft, about the damage the Executive Order does to Big Biz.
With each new temporary order entered by a US District Court, all of which orders are of temporary duration, and last only until a subsequent hearing (at which a temporary injunction may be issued, which would last for the duration of each lawsuit) the impact is that the ban against enforcement of Executive Order is lengthened. It only takes one such Order to negate enforcement of the EO.
To borrow a verb from the Rightie posters who reported judicial actions upon President Obama’s EO’s and policies, four separate US District Court judges have now “slammed” DJT’s first move on immigration.

[Tom4784]

Come thru the US Justice system :clap1:

[DemolitionRed]

Come thru the US Justice system :clap1:

Lets see what Trump does next. I'm guessing it won't be pretty!

[Kizzy]

https://www.thecanary.co/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/IMG_0110.jpg

[Brillopad]

https://www.thecanary.co/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/IMG_0110.jpg

Decapitating people (and freedom) is something Muslims do - not advisable to confuse their behaviour with that of Westerners, or are we simply practicing double standards again.

[user104658]

Decapitating people (and freedom) is something Muslims do - not advisable to confuse their behaviour with that of Westerners.

To your credit, at least you're simply outright racist instead of trying to mask it / pretend not to be, like most people who post sentiments such as this.

[Brillopad]

To your credit, at least you're simply outright racist instead of trying to mask it / pretend not to be, like most people who post sentiments such as this.

Nothing to do with being racist or not - the 'sentiment' is simply a fact, name-calling doesn't change that. Besides Muslim is a RELIGION not a race and is practised by those of different skin colours. Amazed by how many on here confuse the two.

[user104658]

Nothing to do with being racist or not - the 'sentiment' is simply a fact, name-calling doesn't change that. Besides Muslim is a RELIGION not a race and is practised by those of different skin colours. Amazed by how many on here confuse the two.
Would you prefer xenophobe, then? Regardless it's really not up for debate - the statement that "Decapitating people is something Muslims do, not Westerners" is sweeping, ignorant and xenophobic.

[Brillopad]

Would you prefer xenophobe, then? Regardless it's really not up for debate - the statement that "Decapitating people is something Muslims do, not Westerners" is sweeping, ignorant and xenophobic.

Wrong again. I have no issues with most people from other countries I simply have issues with a certain regions ideology.

I think the term you may be looking for is 'islamophobic' despite your attempts to go round the houses and accuse me of something less acceptable.

[Withano]

Nothing to do with being racist or not - the 'sentiment' is simply a fact, name-calling doesn't change that. Besides Muslim is a RELIGION not a race and is practised by those of different skin colours. Amazed by how many on here confuse the two.

Out of interest, would you openly admit that you are Islamophobic?

[Withano]

Out of interest, would you openly admit that you are Islamophobic?

Wrong again. I have no issues with most people from other countries I simply have issues with a certain regions ideology.

I think the term you may be looking for is 'islamophobic' despite your attempts to go round the houses and accuse me of something less acceptable.

Oh lol, guess so.

New question, do you believe that islamophobics are any better of people than those who hate people based on their race/religion/sexuality/gender/nationality, or do you agree that all of those listed are towards the bottom of the Earth?

[DemolitionRed]

Nothing to do with being racist or not - the 'sentiment' is simply a fact, name-calling doesn't change that. Besides Muslim is a RELIGION not a race and is practised by those of different skin colours. Amazed by how many on here confuse the two.

If you want to get pedantic, we could say there is no such thing as race but if religion is not a race, why are the Jews classed as a race?
People try telling me that I'm a Jewess because of my ancestral heritage.

[Brillopad]

Oh lol, guess so.

New question, do you believe that islamophobics are any better of people than those who hate people based on their race/religion/sexuality/grnder, or do you agree that all of those listed are towards the bottom of the Earth?

Oops jumped the gun a bit there didn't you, no surprises there then.

I strongly dislike a religion that hates women for no other reason than they are women. Try as you wil to imply that it is it there is nothing wrong with disliking/disapproving of and questioning a religon and those that support its ideology. It is the right of many.

[Brillopad]

If you want to get pedantic, we could say there is no such thing as race but if religion is not a race, why are the Jews classed as a race?
People try telling me that I'm a Jewess because of my ancestral heritage.

I would have thought that simply put race = skin colour and religion = beliefs. Not the same thing at all.

[DemolitionRed]

I would have thought that simply put race = skin colour and religion = beliefs. Not the same thing at all.

So why are the Jews a race?

[Brillopad]

So why are the Jews a race?

I have no idea, I'm not Jewish.

[user104658]

"I'm not a xenophobe, I'm just an islamophobe, you dun kno wut ur talking about".

Islamophobia is a form of xenophobia. You are a xenophobe. But I don't know why you're complaining; like I said at least you are an out and proud xenophobe rather than slithering about pretending NOT to be one, like so many feel inclined to do.

It was a compliment.

[Brillopad]

"I'm not a xenophobe, I'm just an islamophobe, you dun kno wut ur talking about".

Islamophobia is a form of xenophobia. You are a xenophobe. But I don't know why you're complaining; like I said at least you are an out and proud xenophobe rather than slithering about pretending NOT to be one, like so many feel inclined to do.

It was a compliment.

Claws. Not me slithering about.

Your 'compliments' are as charming as your snide innuendos and double standards.

[Withano]

Claws. Not me slithering about.

Your 'compliments' are as charming as your snide innuendos and double standards.

Talking about double standards in a thread where you're basically claiming that 'snide innuendos' are a disgrace but Islamophobic posts are fine

I think you need a rest. Im tired for you. How do you keep up with your own nonsense.

[Brillopad]

Talking about double standards in a thread where you're basically claiming that 'snide innuendos' are a disgrace but Islamophobic posts are fine

I think you need a rest. Im tired for you. How do you keep up with your own nonsense.

I didn't invite your comments on my post so feel free to ignore. I'm tired of your nonsense too - so your point is what exactly.

And for the record disliking and questioning certain religious ideology and those that support it is neither a disgrace or a crime and cannot even be compared to hating 50% of the population for an accident of birth.

[DemolitionRed]

I have no idea, I'm not Jewish.

And you're not a Muslim either and yet you seem to be very keyed up about how all Muslims think and behave.

[Withano]

I didn't invite your comments on my post so feel free to ignore. I'm tired of your nonsense too - so your point is what exactly.

And for the record disliking and questioning certain religious ideology and those that support it is neither a disgrace or a crime and cannot even be compared to hating 50% of the population for an accident of birth.

Youve put your opinions on a public forum, youve genuinely invited comments from anybody who might see them. Dont cry about not liking my replies. Post your opinions on a private group or a different forum if you want to choose who sees them.
I mean thats the basics of tibb in general, you should have learned this before your 800th post.
Youre right, islamophobia is not a crime, nor is racism or sexism technically. Im not accusing you of being a lawbreaker, im accusing you of being islamophobic. And asking you whether you think your hatred is less stupid than a common sexist or racist (it isnt)
'The sexism is way worse than islamophobia because 50% of people are women' argument is dumb, i think you know that though. If you dont where is the cut off?
Irrational hate of people is irrational hatred. Get over yourself.

[Brillopad]

And you're not a Muslim either and yet you seem to be very keyed up about how all Muslims think and behave.

Because I happen to be one of the 50% they hate so much. Pretty relieved that as a woman I wasn't born in a Muslim country. There is an important principle at stake and the treatment of women by this religion should neither be ignored or defended.

I am surprised that you are surprised by that.

[Brillopad]

Youve put your opinions on a public forum, youve genuinely invited comments from anybody who might see them. Dont cry about not liking my replies. Post your opinions on a private group or a different forum if you want to choose who sees them.
I mean thats the basics of tibb in general, you should have learned this before your 800th post.
Youre right, islamophobia is not a crime, nor is racism or sexism technically. Im not accusing you of being a lawbreaker, im accusing you of being islamophobic. And asking you whether you think your hatred is less stupid than a common sexist or racist (it isnt)
'The sexism is way worse than islamophobia because 50% of people are women' argument is dumb, i think you know that though. If you dont where is the cut off?
Irrational hate of people is irrational hatred. Get over yourself.

Get over yourself in thinking you have the right to tell me how to think. There is nothing untrue in anything I have said. You just blindly defend because it is PC to do so. No thought processes required.

Your lack of concern about the way women are treated by this religion could be construed as supporting such sexist views so get off your high horse in your attacks on my character.