Caffe Nero Manchester Hobo No No (sunday mirror)

[arista]

Student Emily had pity
on a homeless drunk/junkie and
asked him to come for a coffee.

The Wise Staff
did not want him in there
and using their Bog etc.

Emily then went to another place
but must have thought this will be great in
the Mirror paper.
Well Emily they gave Photo of you
on page 12 of today's Sunday Mirror
so we all know you are a Trouble Maker.


Ref : SkyNewsHD
Full Newspaper review 6:44AM

[DemolitionRed]

Student Emily had pity
on a homeless drunk/junkie and
asked him to come for a coffee.

The Wise Staff
did not want him in there
and using their Bog etc.

Emily then went to another place
but must have thought this will be great in
the Mirror paper.
Well Emily they gave Photo of you
on page 12 of today's Sunday Mirror
so we all know you are a Trouble Maker.


Ref : SkyNewsHD
Full Newspaper review 6:44AM

What is this?
What's the actual story and what other place did Emily go to?
Was she sacked?
How do we know she was a trouble maker when we don't know the full story?

[Northern Monkey]

What's the story?:shrug:I'm sure tramps get knocked back from posh establishments on the daily.

[smudgie]

I suppose the story is she thought it was a story and got herself in the paper.
Bit like telling everyone on Facebook when you do your ablutions or what you had for tea etc.

[DemolitionRed]

Here is the full story http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/caffe-nero-homeless-man-tea-12728682

Cafe Nero has made a statement saying "this is not company policy and that all staff have been informed that they must sell food and drink to both the homeless and people like Emily who was buying for the homeless.

Emily clearly went to the papers because she wanted to publicly shame the brand. In doing so, she has brought about some very positive action. Good for her.

[arista]

What is this?
What's the actual story and what other place did Emily go to?
Was she sacked?
How do we know she was a trouble maker when we don't know the full story?



Emily is a Student
she grassed up Caffe Nero
to the Left Wing Paper



I call her a trouble maker
DR

[arista]

Good for her.


I would not employ a trouble maker DR
http://i3.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article12728676.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Desktop60.jpg

[Tom4784]

Here is the full story http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/caffe-nero-homeless-man-tea-12728682

Cafe Nero has made a statement saying "this is not company policy and that all staff have been informed that they must sell food and drink to both the homeless and people like Emily who was buying for the homeless.

Emily clearly went to the papers because she wanted to publicly shame the brand. In doing so, she has brought about some very positive action. Good for her.

Emily :clap1:

I hope the manager of the branch and the person involved gets reprimanded heavily as I assume the 'company policy' lie probably came from the manager. Disgusting that they'd treat this homeless man like a pigeon or a rat or some other kind of vermin.

[DemolitionRed]

Good for her.


I would not employ a trouble maker

That's ok arista, I'm sure plenty of people wouldn't employ you.

[arista]

Emily :clap1:

I hope the manager of the branch and the person involved gets reprimanded heavily as I assume the 'company policy' lie probably came from the manager. Disgusting that they'd treat this homeless man like a pigeon or a rat or some other kind of vermin.


The junkie homeless man was not like a Rat,
Dezzy , he was banned to not upset the
customers in that Caffe Nero
and messing in their bog

These places must have standards
they can not afford to lose current customers
Dezzy - Business Matters

[arista]

I suppose the story is she thought it was a story and got herself in the paper.
Bit like telling everyone on Facebook when you do your ablutions or what you had for tea etc.



Sure
Emily the student
ideal as a possible future Labour MP
using a Caffe Nero
to STAMP her politics.

[waterhog]

very tricky one - I see it from the human side and the business side. very sad indeed and I have no solution.

[Kizzy]

Emily is a Student
she grassed up Caffe Nero
to the Left Wing Paper



I call her a trouble maker
DR

I call her a good citizen, it was a kind altruistic act which could even be described as Christian if you're so inclined.

[Kizzy]

very tricky one - I see it from the human side and the business side. very sad indeed and I have no solution.

There appears to be no business side, the business involved has stated it wasn't company policy to refuse service.

[Marsh.]

The junkie homeless man was not like a Rat,
Dezzy

Sorry, I missed the part in the article where it stated he was a junkie?

And, do you not provide actual sources, links, articles in your threads anymore?

[Marsh.]

Student Emily had pity
on a homeless drunk/junkie and
asked him to come for a coffee.

Again, drunk? Junkie? How do you know this?

Nasty and spiteful IMO.

[Jamie89]

It's indefensible of them to discriminate against someone and refuse to serve them for being homeless, it wouldn't be accepted if it was someone being refused service on other grounds. Homeless people are still people and deserve to be treated as such, not sub-human as some people view them. Thank god there's people like Emily.

[y.winter]

The junkie homeless man was not like a Rat,
Dezzy , he was banned to not upset the
customers in that Caffe Nero
and messing in their bog

These places must have standards
they can not afford to lose current customers
Dezzy - Business Matters

upset customers? lose customers? by what? letting people come and buy and eat food?!
Let's ban ugly people and amputees because they're not a nice sight while sipping your latte.
It's a cafe, for crying out loud.
:facepalm:

[arista]

upset customers? lose customers? by what? letting people come and buy and eat food?!
Let's ban ugly people and amputees because they're not a nice sight while sipping your latte.
It's a cafe, for crying out loud.
:facepalm:


No they will not ban them

But Tramps Stink

[y.winter]

No they will not ban them

But Tramps Stink

I hope you're joking, because that's such a sad way to see the world.
Hold your breath and learn what toleration is.

[Marsh.]

No they will not ban them

But Tramps Stink

Yeah, if you had no home to go to, no family or friends and establishments were refusing to let you use the facilities free for everyone else you'd smell of piss too.

[DemolitionRed]

No they will not ban them

But Tramps Stink

Please get a grip man. Do you really look down on people the way you portray yourself to do on here?

[arista]

Please get a grip man. Do you really look down on people the way you portray yourself to do on here?


I have a grip
In London and Manchester
many are on cheap Spice drug
zombie like.
Others stink of Drinks on their clothes.


I have a plan
to remove all of these Homeless
junkies , drunks etc
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294081
you DR are on this thread , as well.

[Kizzy]

No they will not ban them

But Tramps Stink

There but for the grace of god go I... EH?

[Beso]

Threads like this make me think a pissed up jakey would make more sense than arista.

[Vicky.]

I was in Glasgow like 2 weeks back seeing Busted, and afterwards we went to KFC next to our hotel. We caught the tail end of an argument in there...some homeless guy had been given enough cash to get some food. The staff were refusing to serve him because he was homeless and 'dirty' but he wasn't even wanting to sit in, just get his sandwich and leave..but no...they would rather argue with him (and others in the shop who were standing up for him) for half an hour than serve him and he would be gone in 30 seconds. What a bunch of wankers. I suspect this isn't rare either.

(McDonalds down the road served him though)

[Niamh.]

I was in Glasgow like 2 weeks back seeing Busted, and afterwards we went to KFC next to our hotel. We caught the tail end of an argument in there...some homeless guy had been given enough cash to get some food. The staff were refusing to serve him because he was homeless and 'dirty' but he wasn't even wanting to sit in, just get his sandwich and leave..but no...they would rather argue with him (and others in the shop who were standing up for him) for half an hour than serve him and he would be gone in 30 seconds. What a bunch of wankers. I suspect this isn't rare either.

(McDonalds down the road served him though)

That's awful :(


You found your Busted tickets in the end then?

[Vicky.]

That's awful :(


You found your Busted tickets in the end then?

No. Thats why we ended up going to Glasgow :laugh: Newcastle was sold out so we ended up paying like 250 quid to replace them, once trains and hotel were taken into account D:

Then to top it all off..it really wasn't that good. Was very disappointed, though our view was great

[arista]

I was in Glasgow like 2 weeks back seeing Busted, and afterwards we went to KFC next to our hotel. We caught the tail end of an argument in there...some homeless guy had been given enough cash to get some food. The staff were refusing to serve him because he was homeless and 'dirty' but he wasn't even wanting to sit in, just get his sandwich and leave..but no...they would rather argue with him (and others in the shop who were standing up for him) for half an hour than serve him and he would be gone in 30 seconds. What a bunch of wankers. I suspect this isn't rare either.

(McDonalds down the road served him though)


The problem is Vicky
they take the Cash give him
his bag with Hot Food he then finds a seat,
causing others to have a go
at the Manager.


You do not know if he has
caused TROUBLE in there
a week ago,to be fair to that Scottish KFC,


Anyway McD took his cash
got his Hot Food.

[Vicky.]

The problem is Vicky
they take the Cash give him
his bag with Hot Food he then finds a seat,
causing others to have a go
at the Manager.


You do not know if he has
caused TROUBLE in there
a week ago,to be fair to that Scottish KFC,


Anyway McD took his cash
got his Hot Food.

He wanted to take away...even if he wanted to sit in though, I still don't see the problem. he was a person..just not as fortunate as everyone else. And he did not seem pissed of drugged up.

I felt so bad for him. Imagine sitting out constantly in the belting down rain, getting a couple of quid for food then being turned away for trying to buy food ffs.

[DemolitionRed]

Arista, do you believe the homeless have a right to eat? Food is the most fundamental necessity for survival so what would happen if all food outlets, including supermarkets, refused to serve the homeless?

[Alf]

No. Thats why we ended up going to Glasgow :laugh: Newcastle was sold out so we ended up paying like 250 quid to replace them, once trains and hotel were taken into account D:

Then to top it all off..it really wasn't that good. Was very disappointed, though our view was greatI would have put money on that being the case, with Busted.

[arista]

Arista, do you believe the homeless have a right to eat? Food is the most fundamental necessity for survival so what would happen if all food outlets, including supermarkets, refused to serve the homeless?

Yes in the army sheds
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294081

[Amy Jade]

Arista you really disgust me sometimes. Not all homeless people smell and take drugs. There used to be a homeless man in chester who sat with his dog and my mum regularly bought him a drink from Mcdonald and we spoke to him a lot and didn't smell badly at all, he had split from his wife and lost money gambling.

I'm glad this girl spoke up, people treat the homeless like it's catching sometimes and frankly I'd rather sit and enjoy a hot chocolate with this homeless man than with a snobby indevidual who looks down on the less fortunate.

[arista]

Of course Amy
not all stink.


But many do

[DemolitionRed]

Arista you really disgust me sometimes. Not all homeless people smell and take drugs. There used to be a homeless man in chester who sat with his dog and my mum regularly bought him a drink from Mcdonald and we spoke to him a lot and didn't smell badly at all, he had split from his wife and lost money gambling.

I'm glad this girl spoke up, people treat the homeless like it's catching sometimes and frankly I'd rather sit and enjoy a hot chocolate with this homeless man than with a snobby indevidual who looks down on the less fortunate.

High fives Amy Jade.

[DemolitionRed]

Yes in the army sheds
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294081

You can post that as many times as you like but I'm not going to read that ridiculous suggestion again. Whilst you may think you have the answer, I can assure you, you don't.

[Vicky.]

I would have put money on that being the case, with Busted.

Their last tour was brilliant though :laugh:

This one was all about their new music...which I don't really like that much. A couple of their new ones are ok but most aren't

[Northern Monkey]

Hobophobia is the new oppression

[thesheriff443]

If people on here care that much, take a tramp home to live with You.
I have a good heart and I feel for genuine cases but I have not got time for those that wont help themselves.

[Tom4784]

If people on here care that much, take a tramp home to live with You.
I have a good heart and I feel for genuine cases but I have not got time for those that wont help themselves.

Bit of a strange train of thought there, 'if you aren't willing to take a random stranger home then you can't complain about them being treated like they are less than human.'

I think it's also a very callous thing to say 'I have not got time for those that wont help themselves' in regards to homeless people being denied service for no other reason than they are homeless. Pray tell, how are homeless people like the one in the article meant to help themselves when people aren't willing to give them a chance.

[arista]

You can post that as many times as you like but I'm not going to read that ridiculous suggestion again. Whilst you may think you have the answer, I can assure you, you don't.

OK DR
that thread not for you again.

[Niamh.]

Hobophobia is the new oppression

:hehe:

[Vicky.]

If people on here care that much, take a tramp home to live with You.
I have a good heart and I feel for genuine cases but I have not got time for those that wont help themselves.

I did that once, when younger and before I had kids actually. She was very young..maybe about 17 ish. Dirty, freezing. I let her kip on my sofa and have a bath and get all cleaned up. I even bought her some new clothes the next day and gave her 20 quid to go to a shelter.

I obviously couldn't do stuff like that now though, as I wouldn't have strangers in the house with my children.

Not all (or many) homeless people are there by choice. Its usually a string of terrible luck. This girl was thrown out by her alcoholic mother and had nowhere to go as she had no friends in the area having just moved there. She had been beaten and sexually assaulted in the 5 days she had slept rough.

[Niamh.]

I did that once, when younger and before I had kids actually. She was very young..maybe about 17 ish. Dirty, freezing. I let her kip on my sofa and have a bath and get all cleaned up. I even bought her some new clothes the next day and gave her 20 quid to go to a shelter.

I obviously couldn't do stuff like that now though, as I wouldn't have strangers in the house with my children.

Oh look at Miss "I have no empathy" :laugh:

[Vicky.]

Oh look at Miss "I have no empathy" :laugh:

I know I know. Its odd. I seem to0 go through phases :laugh: It was my shrink person who told me that I was a sociopath though. I don't believe it but I dont seem as in tune with my feelings as everyone else is :laugh:

[Niamh.]

I know I know. Its odd. I seem to0 go through phases :laugh: It was my shrink person who told me that I was a sociopath though. I don't believe it but I dont seem as in tune with my feelings as everyone else is :laugh:

hhhmmm shrinks are only people too, maybe he/she is the sociopath and was just being a ****? :laugh:

[DemolitionRed]

hhhmmm shrinks are only people too, maybe he/she is the sociopath and was just being a ****? :laugh:

Good point. A surprising number of shrinks and therapists are high functioning sociopaths. I guess its because they can fit in and adapt to nearly any situation and because they are good at focussing on others, whilst feeling nothing.

[DemolitionRed]

I know I know. Its odd. I seem to0 go through phases :laugh: It was my shrink person who told me that I was a sociopath though. I don't believe it but I dont seem as in tune with my feelings as everyone else is :laugh:

Wow, I'm gob smacked. You certainly don't come over as a person who lacks empathy. You appear to have some deep set moral values. I think your shrink needs a shrink.

[Niamh.]

Good point. A surprising number of shrinks and therapists are high functioning sociopaths. I guess its because they can fit in and adapt to nearly any situation and because they are good at focussing on others, whilst feeling nothing.

Just because someone is an particular job that should hold certain standards doesn't mean they do. I mean I have come across plenty of Teachers who seem to hate kids and don't even get me started on Priests and Nuns who are supposed to represent "a loving God"...............

[Northern Monkey]

Well i once gave a prozzy a fag.Does that count as empathy?

[Niamh.]

Well i once gave a prozzy a fag.Does that count as empathy?

That's a beautiful story NM :')

[Northern Monkey]

That's a beautiful story NM :')

It would've been but i dint even get a blowie.:fist:

[Niamh.]

It would've been but i dint even get a blowie.:fist:

Well i wouldn't be an expert on prostitutes price lists but a "blowie" is surely more expensive then the cost of a cigarette :p

[Northern Monkey]

Well i wouldn't be an expert on prostitutes price lists but a "blowie" is surely more expensive then the cost of a cigarette :p

Not where i live:laugh:

[Niamh.]

Not where i live:laugh:

:joker:

[DemolitionRed]

Just because someone is an particular job that should hold certain standards doesn't mean they do. I mean I have come across plenty of Teachers who seem to hate kids and don't even get me started on Priests and Nuns who are supposed to represent "a loving God"...............

Yep, you can imagine certain types of jobs/careers would attract none empathic types. Surgeons, coroners and those who work in the killing rooms of abattoirs. But psychiatrists and therapists must surely be empathic?

Its kind of a known thing in the industry Niamh. My dads a consultant psychiatrist and I grew up with conversations around the dinner table about how peoples minds work or how depressed he was because everyone patient he's seen that week are less mental than he is! He has told me on numerous occasions that sociopaths, especially those going to medical school, have a keen fascination with the human mind and so often go into the mental health sector.

For the record, there are many high functioning sociopaths who go through life without any problems. They tend to have keen minds and climb to the top of their chosen career ladder because they simply don't have emotions to hold them back.

[Niamh.]

Yep, you can imagine certain types of jobs/careers would attract none empathic types. Surgeons, coroners and those who work in the killing rooms of abattoirs. But psychiatrists and therapists must surely be empathic?

Its kind of a known thing in the industry Niamh. My dads a consultant psychiatrist and I grew up with conversations around the dinner table about how peoples minds work or how depressed he was because everyone patient he's seen that week are less mental than he is! He has told me on numerous occasions that sociopaths, especially those going to medical school, have a keen fascination with the human mind and so often go into the mental health sector.

For the record, there are many high functioning sociopaths who go through life without any problems. They tend to have keen minds and climb to the top of their chosen career ladder because they simply don't have emotions to hold them back.

Yeah it makes total sense when you think about it.

[thesheriff443]

Bit of a strange train of thought there, 'if you aren't willing to take a random stranger home then you can't complain about them being treated like they are less than human.'

I think it's also a very callous thing to say 'I have not got time for those that wont help themselves' in regards to homeless people being denied service for no other reason than they are homeless. Pray tell, how are homeless people like the one in the article meant to help themselves when people aren't willing to give them a chance.

There are violent drunks, sex offenders and heroin addicts that are home less who put the money in their arm instead of paying the rent.
Like I said I got a good heart but I'm nobody's fool,just because someone is home less it does not make them a good person.
I'm all for treating those that have a bad life with dignity but some live like animals.
I have not made any one homeless,people just down the road pay a hundred pound for a bowl of soup, do they think about the people starving when they eat it, no they don't.

[Marsh.]

Well i once gave a prozzy a fag.Does that count as empathy?

Aww, it's nice, even after paying her £300 you still gave her a tip. :flutter:

[Tom4784]

There are violent drunks, sex offenders and heroin addicts that are home less who put the money in their arm instead of paying the rent.
Like I said I got a good heart but I'm nobody's fool,just because someone is home less it does not make them a good person.
I'm all for treating those that have a bad life with dignity but some live like animals.
I have not made any one homeless,people just down the road pay a hundred pound for a bowl of soup, do they think about the people starving when they eat it, no they don't.

And none of this has any relevance to the topic at hand.

The man in question by all accounts is none of the things you have listed yet you seem fine with denying him the chance to buy food because of something you've accused 'some homeless people' of apparently doing and you seem fine to generalise and tar all homeless people with the same brush and at the same time try to invalidate anyone that treats the homeless with kindness by setting implausible standards for them.

It just seems like you want a target to spew bile at, in all honesty.

[Amy Jade]

Actually I would think most sex offenders would not be homeless as they have to register their living arrangements when they are released from prison don't they?

[thesheriff443]

And none of this has any relevance to the topic at hand.

The man in question by all accounts is none of the things you have listed yet you seem fine with denying him the chance to buy food because of something you've accused 'some homeless people' of apparently doing and you seem fine to generalise and tar all homeless people with the same brush and at the same time try to invalidate anyone that treats the homeless with kindness by setting implausible standards for them.

It just seems like you want a target to spew bile at, in all honesty.

You are looking for something that ain't there, the man in question should of been allowed to eat in if he wanted but not places are the same and I don't make the rules.
If people want to give to the homeless I don't have a problem with that, don't accuse me of spewing bile which I consider an insult, I take a harder line with the homeless not all of the homeless just the ones that lay in there own piss and sick.

[Tom4784]

You are looking for something that ain't there, the man in question should of been allowed to eat in if he wanted but not places are the same and I don't make the rules.
If people want to give to the homeless I don't have a problem with that, don't accuse me of spewing bile which I consider an insult, I take a harder line with the homeless not all of the homeless just the ones that lay in there own piss and sick.

So you take issue with the ones that may need help the most?

[thesheriff443]

So you take issue with the ones that may need help the most?

Have you never watched a fly on the wall program when cameras follow the police and ambulance services, its the same people again and again.

In one it showed a heroin addict who had stoped breathing they could of stood there and watched him die, but they brought him back to life only for him to be
pissed off with them for ruining his high.
if people want help,help them but these people don't want help.
It don't make me a bad person for having an opinion that is hard line, it makes me, me.

[DemolitionRed]

Have you never watched a fly on the wall program when cameras follow the police and ambulance services, its the same people again and again.

In one it showed a heroin addict who had stoped breathing they could of stood there and watched him die, but they brought him back to life only for him to be
pissed off with them for ruining his high.
if people want help,help them but these people don't want help.
It don't make me a bad person for having an opinion that is hard line, it makes me, me.

But how do we know which ones are which... by presumption? I don't want to give money to addicts of alcohol or drugs. I don't believe a lot of these people who beg are genuinely homeless but in the cold light of day, I never presume to know one from the other, so if I buy what appears to be a homeless person a burger and it turns out the guy isn't really homeless at all but trying to scrounge money for drugs, I'll never know and by never knowing, I will carry on giving (not money). At least this way, once in a while I'll be helping out a genuine homeless person.