Brave Muslim dares to speak out

[Northern Monkey]

tsM_no0wseU

[DemolitionRed]

He's a fake!

[jennyjuniper]

He speaks the truth, whoever he is.

[Withano]

I hate the way its written. Switch it up a bit lad.

I guess this video is one of the many reasons not to group all Muslims in to one. Certain political affiliations still like to do that, and hopefully a few will see this vid and realise theyve been dumb all along.

[Brillopad]

tsM_no0wseU

I have seen this and he seems entirely genuine. Unfortunately, as well as what we see around us on a daily basis, his words suggest he is in the minority.

[Brillopad]

He's a fake!

That's what the extremists say!

[Brillopad]

I hate the way its written. Switch it up a bit lad.

I guess this video is one of the many reasons not to group all Muslims in to one. Certain political affiliations still like to do that, and hopefully a few will see this vid and realise theyve been dumb all along.

Are you finally admitting to that.

[Withano]

Are you finally admitting to that.

Admitting that right wing politics that show anomosity towards specific groups to gain a following from the weak and frustrated exist? There was never a doubt in my mind. Happens all over the world with different target groups.
Some people would even go as far to suggest that this man is in the minority, just because they're so blinded in hatred. Its a shame, but we need to learn to live with it and hope the education system gets a bit better in the generations to come.

[Brillopad]

Admitting that right wing politics that show anomosity towards specific groups to gain a following from the weak and frustrated exist? There was never a doubt in my mind. Happens all over the world with different target groups.
Some people would even go as far to suggest that this man is in the minority, just because they're so blinded in hatred. Its a shame, but we need to learn to live with it and hope the education system gets a bit better in the generations to come.

He talks of having to refuse to marry underage girls, being bribed not to speak out, being against genital mutilation, amongst other things, today in Australia. This suggests,like here, these practices are still common place in more than a tiny minority of people.

The best form of education would be for Muslims living in the West to integrate, speak out against those that don't and abandon the wearing of prehistoric garments that represent female subjugation. That would go a long way to create a more harmonious existence for all. I won't hold my breath though.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Deport extremists and take me instead?

[Withano]

He talks of having to refuse to marry underage girls, being bribed not to speak out, being against genital mutilation, amongst other things, today in Australia. This suggests,like here, these practices are still common place in more than a tiny minority of people.


Lets not act as if the average ultright-winger wouldnt lump this bloke with this group if they saw him on the street. This is the issue, people blindly categorising others based on preconceptions. If a person chooses to preconceive, and live their life hating others because they presume 'more than a tiny minority' want these laws in place then they're the problem. They live a life of hatred, and these people are more evil than the average Muslim.

There are evil non-religious people too, can you imagine what the IQ of a person that believes all non-religious people must be evil based on this fact must be. Thats a great leap of logic, and their opinion of non-religious people was probably swayed by an equally evil person of power that also lives a life of hatred.

[Brillopad]

Lets not act as if the average ultright-winger wouldnt lump this bloke with this group if they saw him on the street. This is the issue, people blindly categorising others based on preconceptions. If a person chooses to preconceive, and live their life hating others because they presume 'more than a tiny minority' want these laws in place then they're the problem. They live a life of hatred, and these people are more evil than the average Muslim.

There are evil non-religious people too, can you imagine what the IQ of a person that believes all non-religious people must be evil based on this fact must be. Thats a great leap of logic, and their opinion of non-religious people was probably swayed by an equally evil person of power that also lives a life of hatred.

I lean slightly right when it comes to mass immigration of religions that refuse to integrate into countries they choose to live in. We see this happening right across the West. No one is expecting people to abandon their religous beliefs just those that represent views and practices that go against the belief systems of the countries they choose to live in.

There has to be some give and take when expecting the host country to offer you all the same privilidges it offers its natural citizens. All we seem to get presented with in return is an arrogance and sense of entitlement that it's their right to carry on as if they still lived in the Middle East. They take but they don't give back. From what I see such disprespect is pretty hateful in itself. This constant sticking two-fingers up at our beliefs and way of life, whilst at the same time enjoying all the benefits of it. Why are you so surprised at the result?

Most reasonable people would expect to assimilate into a country they choose to live and respect their way of life, and, if necessary, adjust certain behaviours at odds with that way of life. It isn't rocket science just commonsense and respect. Respect works both ways. Why do some constantly make exceptions for certain religions? Negative actions tend to get negative results.

In my opinion this man in courageous, honourable and respectful, and therefore worthy of respect, and I believe most would welcome this type of Muslim. It is not the West that are the unreasonable ones here.

[Withano]

I lean slightly right when it comes to mass immigration of religions that refuse to integrate into countries they choose to live in. We see this happening right across the West. No one is expecting people to abandon their religous beliefs just those that represent views and practices that go against the belief systems of the countries they choose to live in.
Sorry, I dont see the relevance. Like sorry, I dont care.

There has to be some give and take when expecting the host country to offer you all the same privilidges it offers its natural citizens. All we seem to get presented with in return is an arrogance and sense of entitlement that it's their right to carry on as if they still lived in the Middle East. They take but they don't give back. From what I see such disprespect is pretty hateful in itself. This constant sticking two-fingers up at our beliefs and way of life, whilst at the same time enjoying all the benefits of it. Why are you so surprised at the result?
Thats a problem with the media you read, if I only received my news updates from 'I hate ponies magazine', I'd probably feel as if they were a larger issue that they are, and would probably make sweeping generalisations about them all.

Most reasonable people would expect to assimilate into a country they choose to live and respect their way of life, and, if necessary, adjust certain behaviours at odds with that way of life. It isn't rocket science just commonsense and respect. Respect works both ways. Why do some constantly make exceptions for certain religions? Negative actions tend to get negative results.
True, and most do. But you dont pay attention to the millions when theres a few that do not do this. Which is odd. You should work on this.

In my opinion this man in courageous, honourable and respectful, and therefore worthy of respect, and I believe most would welcome this type of Muslim.
Agreed

It is not the West that are the unreasonable ones here.
Bit hard to believe you dont at least think there are some unreasonable people of the west after this rant.

None of this is really relevant to the point I was making, its odd that you would quote me in it.

[Brillopad]

Sorry, I dont see the relevance. Like sorry, I dont care.


Thats a problem with the media you read, if I only received my news updates from 'I hate ponies magazine', I'd probably feel as if they were a larger issue that they are, and would probably make sweeping generalisations about them all.


True, and most do. But you dont pay attention to the millions when theres a few that do not do this. Which is odd. You should work on this.


Agreed


Bit hard to believe you dont at least think there are some unreasonable people of the west after this rant.

None of this is really relevant to the point I was making

Oops, did I get so engrossed in my own rant I overlooked yours.

Point being I think is that most of the unreasonable ones in the West are created by the unreasonable from the ME who just expect it to be a one-way street - theirs.

[Withano]

Oops, did I get so engrossed in my own rant I overlooked yours.

Point being I think is that most of the unreasonable ones in the West are created by the unreasonable from the ME who just expect it to be a one-way street - theirs.

Thats cool, I disagree, but this isnt relevant to the OP or any posts that I made so I'm not sure why youre quoting me and telling me this here

[DemolitionRed]

He talks of having to refuse to marry underage girls, being bribed not to speak out, being against genital mutilation, amongst other things, today in Australia. This suggests,like here, these practices are still common place in more than a tiny minority of people.

The best form of education would be for Muslims living in the West to integrate, speak out against those that don't and abandon the wearing of prehistoric garments that represent female subjugation. That would go a long way to create a more harmonious existence for all. I won't hold my breath though.

Its only the extreme groups that think like this, most Muslims have no interest in underage girls, genital mutilation and other things mentioned in the video.

Your understanding of Islam is roughly equal to that of someone who’d equate the KKK to Christianity. I apologise if that appears rude, but from the looks of things you appear to care passionately about a subject, whilst you fail to fully understand.

[waterhog]

might do a poem on this dude - and if he calls me fake - he will be right :joker:

[Brillopad]

Its only the extreme groups that think like this, most Muslims have no interest in underage girls, genital mutilation and other things mentioned in the video.

Your understanding of Islam is roughly equal to that of someone who’d equate the KKK to Christianity. I apologise if that appears rude, but from the looks of things you appear to care passionately about a subject, whilst you fail to fully understand.

I'm sorry but I don't think that is an equal correlation you make there. The KKK were not scattered across the globe, they were relatively small in number compared to the Muslims supporting many of these anarchic practices here and abroad.

No one could walk around openly anywhere in the West dressed in the hooded KKK getup. But we allow these women, whether through choice or otherwise, to walk around in their equally repulsive getups praising female subjugation and inferiority in a country where women are considered equal to men, including by Law. It is intended to insult and take the piss. There are occasions when no one, including women, should be allowed to wear what they want if doing so can be considered offensive.

This is not about understanding, I understand, to say otherwise is simply an attempt to undermine my opinion. The facts are simply that there is a difference in opinion between us on how widespread such beliefs and practices are in the West.

With the increasing numbers of women parading our streets loudly shouting their beliefs that women are second-class citizens right through to the increasing number of attacks across the West, such evidence strongly suggests such people are considerably more than a tiny minority.

[Kizzy]

I lean slightly right when it comes to mass immigration of religions that refuse to integrate into countries they choose to live in. We see this happening right across the West. No one is expecting people to abandon their religous beliefs just those that represent views and practices that go against the belief systems of the countries they choose to live in.

There has to be some give and take when expecting the host country to offer you all the same privilidges it offers its natural citizens. All we seem to get presented with in return is an arrogance and sense of entitlement that it's their right to carry on as if they still lived in the Middle East. They take but they don't give back. From what I see such disprespect is pretty hateful in itself. This constant sticking two-fingers up at our beliefs and way of life, whilst at the same time enjoying all the benefits of it. Why are you so surprised at the result?

Most reasonable people would expect to assimilate into a country they choose to live and respect their way of life, and, if necessary, adjust certain behaviours at odds with that way of life. It isn't rocket science just commonsense and respect. Respect works both ways. Why do some constantly make exceptions for certain religions? Negative actions tend to get negative results.

In my opinion this man in courageous, honourable and respectful, and therefore worthy of respect, and I believe most would welcome this type of Muslim. It is not the West that are the unreasonable ones here.


You don't know much about our recent colonial/ missionary past do you?

[Brillopad]

You don't know much about our recent colonial/ missionary past do you?

I'm not so much interested in historical events as the here and now. We can't change the past.

Neither am I so insecure that I believe we should forever feel apologetic about the alleged actions of past generations and certainly not to the point of the destruction of our own identity and way of life - that fragile belief didn't get the Germans very far did it?

[Beso]

Bin laden lives!!

[DemolitionRed]

I'm sorry but I don't think that is an equal correlation you make there. The KKK were not scattered across the globe, they were relatively small in number compared to the Muslims supporting many of these anarchic practices here and abroad.

No one could walk around openly anywhere in the West dressed in the hooded KKK getup. But we allow these women, whether through choice or otherwise, to walk around in their equally repulsive getups praising female subjugation and inferiority in a country where women are considered equal to men, including by Law. It is intended to insult and take the piss. There are occasions when no one, including women, should be allowed to wear what they want if doing so can be considered offensive.

This is not about understanding, I understand, to say otherwise is simply an attempt to undermine my opinion. The facts are simply that there is a difference in opinion between us on how widespread such beliefs and practices are in the West.

With the increasing numbers of women parading our streets loudly shouting their beliefs that women are second-class citizens right through to the increasing number of attacks across the West, such evidence strongly suggests such people are considerably more than a tiny minority.

One minute you are suggesting these women are repressed and in the next breath you’re saying they are taking the piss, which one is it?

Nobody, and certainly no religion, should be held above criticism. That's just plain wrong but when someone repeatedly homes in on the “problems with Muslims” and characterise them on the actions of a small percentage of individuals or that matter, a few countries that have an obnoxious culture, people will start to suspect that person is ignorant on the subject, Islamophobic or both. Don’t get me wrong; critical assessment of belief systems should always be encouraged but let’s not generalise our views on the lowest common denominator.

[Withano]

One minute you are suggesting these women are repressed and in the next breath you’re saying they are taking the piss, which one is it?



They are also taking our jobs, and stealing our benefits.

The real question is how long will these people be everything and nothing and what is this weird muslim voodoo?

[Brillopad]

One minute you are suggesting these women are repressed and in the next breath you’re saying they are taking the piss, which one is it?




In past discussions on the wearing of burkhas on here the usual crowd have argued the wearing of them should be allowed in The West as women should be able to wear what they want despite it being common knowledge that many have no choice.

People chose to focus on the ones that did choose to. Either way it shouldn't be tolerated here for the reasons I already mentioned.

[DemolitionRed]

They are also taking our jobs, and stealing our benefits.

The real question is how long will these people be everything and nothing and what is this weird muslim voodoo?

All them Muslims cumin over ere and being all Muslim :fist:

[DemolitionRed]

In past discussions on the wearing of burkhas on here the usual crowd have argued the wearing of them should be allowed in The West as women should be able to wear what they want despite it being common knowledge that many have no choice.

People chose to focus on the ones that did choose to. Either way it shouldn't be tolerated here for the reasons I already mentioned.

The ban in France has caused some real problems for those women forced to wear the veil by husbands, brothers or fathers. Because of this law, some women are no longer allowed out and kept like prisoners in their own homes.

[Brillopad]

The ban in France has caused some real problems for those women forced to wear the veil by husbands, brothers or fathers. Because of this law, some women are no longer allowed out and kept like prisoners in their own homes.

Naturally I don't support that but it comes to something when the general public of the host country have to care more about Muslim women than their own husbands and families. It speaks volumes and pretty much amounts to emotional blackmail.

It's clearly Muslim men, and women, that need educating not us. Men for obvious reasons and women to support each other and learn to stand up for themselves. They are in a much stronger position to do so in the West than in the depths of the Middle East.

[Kizzy]

I'm not so much interested in historical events as the here and now. We can't change the past.

Neither am I so insecure that I believe we should forever feel apologetic about the alleged actions of past generations and certainly not to the point of the destruction of our own identity and way of life - that fragile belief didn't get the Germans very far did it?

How very convenient for you to ignore our past as murdering immigrants.

[Brillopad]

How very convenient for you to ignore our past as murdering immigrants.

Is that how you see yourself? It certainly isn't how I see myself. I fail to see what that has to do with current issues.

[DemolitionRed]

I'm not so much interested in historical events as the here and now. We can't change the past.

Neither am I so insecure that I believe we should forever feel apologetic about the alleged actions of past generations and certainly not to the point of the destruction of our own identity and way of life - that fragile belief didn't get the Germans very far did it?

How can you say you don’t care about history when the history we are talking about is so recent? If history doesn’t matter, then does 9/11 not matter? Before 9/11 there was relative peace in the Middle East and the countries that are now in chaos were stable regions with long term leaders and relatively good economies. For the past 14 years we have played our hand in the upheaval and the deaths of millions of Muslims and we are now seeing the consequences of that involvement.

Its fundamentally important to understand what these repercussions are about because if we don’t, we may as well just fall down the rabbit hole where we can wallow in our own fear and ignorance.

You recently tried to deal me a low blow by suggesting, (tongue in cheek) that I was a terrorist sympathiser. Those words told me two things, 1) that you don't know or don't care about the atrocities we have committed and 2) Unlike me, who's sympathies lie with both the innocent westerners and Middle East civilians who get caught up in the political backlash, you have little sympathy for the later.

[Withano]

How can you say you don’t care about history when the history we are talking about is so recent? If history doesn’t matter, then does 9/11 not matter? Before 9/11 there was relative peace in the Middle East and the countries that are now in chaos were stable regions with long term leaders and relatively good economies. For the past 14 years we have played our hand in the upheaval and the deaths of millions of Muslims and we are now seeing the consequences of that involvement.

Its fundamentally important to understand what these repercussions are about because if we don’t, we may as well just fall down the rabbit hole where we can wallow in our own fear and ignorance.

You recently tried to deal me a low blow by suggesting, (tongue in cheek) that I was a terrorist sympathiser. Those words told me two things, 1) that you don't know or don't care about the atrocities we have committed and 2) Unlike me, who's sympathies lie with both the innocent westerners and Middle East civilians who get caught up in the political backlash, you have little sympathy for the later.

:clap1:

[Brillopad]

How can you say you don’t care about history when the history we are talking about is so recent? If history doesn’t matter, then does 9/11 not matter? Before 9/11 there was relative peace in the Middle East and the countries that are now in chaos were stable regions with long term leaders and relatively good economies. For the past 14 years we have played our hand in the upheaval and the deaths of millions of Muslims and we are now seeing the consequences of that involvement.

Its fundamentally important to understand what these repercussions are about because if we don’t, we may as well just fall down the rabbit hole where we can wallow in our own fear and ignorance.

You recently tried to deal me a low blow by suggesting, (tongue in cheek) that I was a terrorist sympathiser. Those words told me two things, 1) that you don't know or don't care about the atrocities we have committed and 2) Unlike me, who's sympathies lie with both the innocent westerners and Middle East civilians who get caught up in the political backlash, you have little sympathy for the later.

If you read the post properly you will see that the poster talks of our past 'as murdering immigrants' which clearly refers to historical events of long ago.

As for more recent events, what I don't believe is that we can ignore or fail to act when terrorist acts such as 9/11 take place on Western soil for fear of future reprisals - do you suggest we just allow terrorists to 'win', hope they will just go away or just give in. If we do many more people will die in the long-term.

Mass Immigration is not any kind of solution as it only serves to allow more terrorists access to the West creating more danger for all of us us as we then have to fear attack from home grown terrorists - the enemy within - as well.

The West has every right to protect itself from terrorism.

[Kizzy]

Is that how you see yourself? It certainly isn't how I see myself. I fail to see what that has to do with current issues.

No, you have blocked that right out haven't you? It wasn't that long ago, think South Africa, Ireland the gulf and Libya it could be forgiven if we didn't keep doing it.

You brought up assimilating into other cultures... Have we ever done that?

[Kizzy]

If you read the post properly you will see that the poster talks of our past 'as murdering immigrants' which clearly refers to historical events of long ago.

It doesn't you've chosen to look at it that way as it gives you an excuse to keep those blinkers firmly affixed.

[Brillopad]

It doesn't you've chosen to look at it that way as it gives you an excuse to keep those blinkers firmly affixed.

As long as they aren't as firmly fixed as yours.

[Kizzy]

As long as they aren't as firmly fixed as yours.

Out of interest what's your opinion on this?...

'The Allied Powers were aware of the scale of the Jewish Holocaust two-and-a-half years earlier than is generally assumed, and had even prepared war crimes indictments against Adolf Hitler and his top Nazi commanders.

Newly accessed material from the United Nations – not seen for around 70 years – shows that as early as December 1942, the US, UK and Soviet governments were aware that at least two million Jews had been murdered and a further five million were at risk of being killed, and were preparing charges. Despite this, the Allied Powers did very little to try and rescue or provide sanctuary to those in mortal danger.

Indeed, in March 1943, Viscount Cranborne, a minister in the war cabinet of Winston Churchill, said the Jews should not be considered a special case and that the British Empire was already too full of refugees to offer a safe haven to any more. '

That was very naughty of us wasn't it? and Winston was such a hero and all that :/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/holocaust-allied-forces-knew-before-concentration-camp-discovery-us-uk-soviets-secret-documents-a7688036.html

[Livia]

I thought after the Westminster attack, the Muslim community seems so much more animated than I'd seen them generally. They seemed immediately to be speaking out against these people who defile their own religion. I think that's what happens... things progress, communities speak out more freely, people realise more widely that all Muslims are not the same... and there's a bit more of a coming together. No one thinks all Muslims are terrorists apart from a few ultra-right wing lunatics. There's a lot of work being done in mosques and by the wider Muslim communities to counter radicalisation, I'd like to see that go further, encompassing Women's rights, for example.

[Kizzy]

I agree!!!!


:cheer2: Easter magic!

[Livia]

I agree!!!!


:cheer2: Easter magic!

LOL... I'm down the rabbit hole....

[Niamh.]

I thought after the Westminster attack, the Muslim community seems so much more animated than I'd seen them generally. They seemed immediately to be speaking out against these people who defile their own religion. I think that's what happens... things progress, communities speak out more freely, people realise more widely that all Muslims are not the same... and there's a bit more of a coming together. No one thinks all Muslims are terrorists apart from a few ultra-right wing lunatics. There's a lot of work being done in mosques and by the wider Muslim communities to counter radicalisation, I'd like to see that go further, encompassing Women's rights, for example.

I agree with all that. Regarding the BIB, I have to agree. I'm not one to tell people what they can and cannot wear at all for example but to me the Burka represents oppression of women. Why don't the men have to cover themselves from head to toe? Because, like in every bloody country/religion in history etc etc women have had to fight against oppression from men, this is no different imo