Do you think Endemol has had enough?

[T*]

Like next year when the contract is due for renewing do you think that endemol will even let them attempt to renew it?
I know Channel 5 will probably kill it off then, but if they do try i'm honestly thinking if the live feed rumours are true then endemol is going to take it away from C5 when they can.

[Jodie.]

I want it to have 10years on C4 and 10years on C5, although if it didn't air for as long as C4 then it'd symbolise how sh*t it's become now:blush:

[Morgan.]

I don't think they'd let it go that easily. BB is one of the biggest and best known formats world wide and I think they'd give it a few more chances (weather that be move it online, or sell it on). They may lose hope in C5 but I don't think they'd lose hope in the format. Especially as the UK is one of its largest broadcasters.

[T*]

I don't think they'd let it go that easily. BB is one of the biggest and best known formats world wide and I think they'd give it a few more chances (weather that be move it online, or sell it on). They may lose hope in C5 but I don't think they'd lose hope in the format. Especially as the UK is one of its largest broadcasters.

Oh I know the format is valuable I'm more talking about them chucking out C5
A part of me is wishfully thinking they do off Channel 5 and then approach c4 with the secret story format or something

[T*]

I edited it to make it more understandable

[Jake.]

I think that they've realised that no major broadcaster is going to take it back

[Denver]

Why cant people accept the show has changed you should be grateful CH5 has plowed hundreds of million of pounds into the show

[Marsh.]

Why cant people accept the show has changed you should be grateful CH5 has plowed hundreds of million of pounds into the show

Grateful for what? Giving us almost 6 years of terrible television? No thanks.

Don't think I've watched a full BB/CBB since BB14.

[Denver]

Nobody forces anyone to watch and it is boring people complaining about it all the time before it starts

[Tregard]

Why cant people accept the show has changed you should be grateful CH5 has plowed hundreds of million of pounds into the show

Because if the show is awful what difference does it make?

[Denver]

Because if the show is awful what difference does it make?

If you dont like it dont watch it

[T*]

the 'IF U DONT LIK DONT WATCH' argument is so boring now
There is no reason that the show could've never been like it used to be yet c5 strived to change everything about it
If you're a fan of a show and you can see it becoming ****ing dreadful (money put into it or not) then you're allowed to say your opinions on it and how it continues to dissapoint you

[Marsh.]

Nobody forces anyone to watch and it is boring people complaining about it all the time before it starts

Who said they're forced. People are entitled to their opinions. Don't like it? Scroll on.

[Marsh.]

the 'IF U DONT LIK DONT WATCH' argument is so boring now
There is no reason that the show could've never been like it used to be yet c5 strived to change everything about it
If you're a fan of a show and you can see it becoming ****ing dreadful (money put into it or not) then you're allowed to say your opinions on it and how it continues to dissapoint you

but they spend hundreds of millions on neon lighting and plastic seating

[T*]

but they spend hundreds of millions on neon lighting and plastic seating

i realise now that my argument is invalid bc they obviously spend millions of pounds on the clouds! thanks C5 :love:

[Denver]

the 'IF U DONT LIK DONT WATCH' argument is so boring now
There is no reason that the show could've never been like it used to be yet c5 strived to change everything about it
If you're a fan of a show and you can see it becoming ****ing dreadful (money put into it or not) then you're allowed to say your opinions on it and how it continues to dissapoint you

The show was changing while it was on CH4.

No every day person wants to do the show these days and hasnt for the best part of 10 years.

Fans expect to take take take but never want to give

[Marsh.]

The show was changing while it was on CH4.

No every day person wants to do the show these days and hasnt for the best part of 10 years.

Fans expect to take take take but never want to give

Yes, every series had something different. No one is disputing change.

We're disputing the continued ruin of the show. There's a difference.

[Denver]

i realise now that my argument is invalid bc they obviously spend millions of pounds on the clouds! thanks C5 :love:

You are sounding childish now they have to spend 100s of millions just on the rights to the show.

CH5 are not a cash cow

[Marsh.]

You are sounding childish now they have to spend 100s of millions just on the rights to the show.

CH5 are not a cash cow

What does that have to do with them producing a sh*tty show?

I don't care how much or how little is spent on it, if what makes it to my screen is bollocks.

[Will.]

I actually think the show isn't that bad... I mean BB15/16 were bad.

But I thought BB17 was really good? Like obviously it wasn't perfect but it had a brilliant cast and I throughly enjoyed watching it every night.

I also find that is such a talked about show even though it only get low/mid 1 Million viewers, like BGT gets 9M viewers but I don't really hear anyone talk about it?

I think it's just one of those shows that has good and bad years, most of Channel 5's civilians BB's have been considered good series?

I don't know, perhaps I don't look into it too much.

[Denver]

Yes, every series had something different. No one is disputing change.

We're disputing the continued ruin of the show. There's a difference.

They are trying different ways to change the show every year. Most countries axe it when it is stale but no CH5 refuse to let it die yet and have help it become the longest running version

[Marsh.]

Be quiet, William.

[Marsh.]

They are trying different ways to change the show every year. Most countries axe it when it is stale but no CH5 refuse to let it die yet and have help it become the longest running version

Again.... so what? If the end result is the same old sh*t I don't care.

They always advertise "big changes" none of which ever come to fruition.

It being the longest running or having millions spent on it has no bearing on if it's actually any good.

[Denver]

What does that have to do with them producing a sh*tty show?

I don't care how much or how little is spent on it, if what makes it to my screen is bollocks.

There is nothing wrong with the logo tbh they are damned if they do and damned if they dont

[T*]

You are sounding childish now they have to spend 100s of millions just on the rights to the show.

CH5 are not a cash cow


:laugh2:
That's no excuse for making it ****ing awful?

Also for the first 4-5 years BB was on C5, C5 was owned by Richard Desmond lmfao, they picked it up for the ratings alone lovey.

[Marsh.]

There is nothing wrong with the logo tbh they are damned if they do and damned if they dont

In your opinion, others think differently. And let's face it, the crappy decisions go above and beyond a simple logo.

[Will.]

Yeah the "game is changing" last year was kind of annoying, I wish the other house was used throughout the whole season as 2 houses (or for 80% of it).

I'm slightly optimistic about this year, it feels a bit different.

[Denver]

Again.... so what? If the end result is the same old sh*t I don't care.

They always advertise "big changes" none of which ever come to fruition.

It being the longest running or having millions spent on it has no bearing on if it's actually any good.
They built a whole new house on it and a new stage last year that is a big enough change if there was more interest in the civi version they would make more effort

[T*]

There isn't any interest in the civi version because they SLAUGHTERED it. Stop reaching.

[Marsh.]

They built a whole new house on it and a new stage last year that is a big enough change if there was more interest in the civi version they would make more effort

A second house and a new stage.

Sorry, there was me thinking I didn't enjoy BB17 but then you reminded me Emma had a new podium, that's changed my opinion on the show completely. :love:

[Denver]

There isn't any interest in the civi version because they SLAUGHTERED it. Stop reaching.

You could say the same for CH4 after all it lost half of its audience on that channel

[Denver]

Last years was one of CH5's most successful series entertainment wise

[Marsh.]

You could say the same for CH4 after all it lost half of its audience on that channel

Half of a 10 million strong audience.

[Marsh.]

Last years was one of CH5's most successful series entertainment wise

The viewers agree... but wait.

[Denver]

They do what is best and favour the one the viewers want more

[Marsh.]

They do what is best

:joker:

[Cal.]

The viewers kind of did agree because it increased quite a bit on what BB16 was getting!

[T*]

Can we go back to the topic on hand rather than the 'I like BB y no everyone else :(((((((((((((' argument

[Marsh.]

The viewers kind of did agree because it increased quite a bit on what BB16 was getting!

It being better than rock bottom isn't the most glittering of compliments though?

[Denver]

The viewers kind of did agree because it increased quite a bit on what BB16 was getting!
People on this forum expect it to get 20 million viewers a night

[Tregard]

They built a whole new house on it and a new stage last year that is a big enough change if there was more interest in the civi version they would make more effort

This is a cyclical argument though, isn't it? They'd put more work into it if more people watched it, and more people would watch it if more work was put into it.

The simple fact is if you warp and distort a show so far from it's original concept, you'll alienate the fans who liked it at the start, and won't be able to draw in new fans because of the show's precedence.

Realistically, nobody is starting to watch Big Brother *now*, or at least no sizable amount. Continuing to bastardise the show and trying to trick your audience with the same song and dance each year just annoys people, and they are chasing a potential audience that just doesn't exist anymore.

[Cal.]

Yeah I agree that they should stop chasing a magical make believe audience every year and start focusing on pleasing the actual fans they have left. When they've pleased those fans then they'll begin to talk more positively about the show and will be able to entice old and new fans again .

[Marsh.]

People on this forum expect it to get 20 million viewers a night

Yes, look at all of the people expecting that.

Oh wait.

[Denver]

The amount of people who watch TV each night has fell by millions as catch up is more important and BB is CH5's biggest show on every platform they have

[RichardG]

the show was so boring by the end of its run on c4

c5's civ seasons have been ok, not great but better than bb9-11 (with the exception of 15 and maybe 16 i guess), and their cbb seasons have been amazing

i think endemol will keep the show with c5 if they still want it because no one else will take it. but i disagree that the show would improve if it returned to c4.

[Marsh.]

The amount of people who watch TV each night has fell by millions as catch up is more important and BB is CH5's biggest show on every platform they have

You're arguing a point that nobody made hun.

[Ant.]

i realise now that my argument is invalid bc they obviously spend millions of pounds on the clouds! thanks C5 :love:

the golden clouds from CBB18?

[Rob!]

I've got to be honest, I absolutely adored BB17. Channel 5's problem is that it doesn't have enough faith in the format to let it just do it's thing. They are constantly chasing ratings which they don't seem to get makes the show a lot lot crapper than it needs to be. Unfortunately, the type of audience they've attracted because of those decisions means we're left with a show that has a completely different viewing demographic than what it started with.

[Jake.]

It being better than rock bottom isn't the most glittering of compliments though?

It was the third highest rated series on 5 though

[Wizard.]

The ratings aren't the best worldwide either - Canada gets under a million, US about 6 million and Australia, well we know what happened there. It is a tired, haggered franchise but it has lasted so long due to the core fans of the show.

I view Big Brother kind of like Madonna and Britney, once they were icons on top of their game, and they continue to carry on but are nowhere near as popular as they were at the height of their careers. They're never going to pick up new fans, but the old ones who were there through the good and the bad allow them to keep going for those fans.

[Greg!]

Loads of recent series have been good. BB17, CBB19 and CBB17 are examples. The issue is that C5 edit, promote and produce it awfully. Endemol needs to tell them to improve in those areas if they want to renew it

[Greg!]

Yeah I agree that they should stop chasing a magical make believe audience every year and start focusing on pleasing the actual fans they have left. When they've pleased those fans then they'll begin to talk more positively about the show and will be able to entice old and new fans again .

This is so true! They were clearly trying to get some of the Love Island fans with the suitcase adverts for CBB18. This year they're trying to attract an intellectual audience and it's a mess. Stop trying to make the show something it's not!

[Jason.]

Axe it!

[Jodie.]

I think C5 are trying to learn from their mistakes, this series is seeming to get really good early promotion, they're referring to it as a social experiment, saying the cast is diverse etc, I think they're trying to cling on to the audience they got back with BB17, like what they tried to do with BB15 but this seems more thought-out

[SteveG2688]

I personally dont think any other channel would take it. For it to be sold once, fine but to sell it twice sais the show is struggling and would put off potential buyers. A lesser known channel may take it, I could see ITV-be possibly being interested as they like reality tv.

[Tregard]

I personally dont think any other channel would take it. For it to be sold once, fine but to sell it twice sais the show is struggling and would put off potential buyers. A lesser known channel may take it, I could see ITV-be possibly being interested as they like reality tv.

ITV would have it in a heartbeat I'd say