Breaking:Harry Styles is against Brexit!

[Northern Monkey]

GLUM DIRECTION Pop star Harry Styles reveals he’s a Remoaner and says Brexit heavily influenced his new album

The 23-year-old even told The Sunday Times Style magazine that he will vote for “whoever is against Brexit”.

He said the push to leave the EU is “creating the kind of world he does not want to live in”.






https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/3556442/pop-star-harry-styles-reveals-hes-a-remoaner-and-says-brexit-heavily-influenced-his-new-album/amp/


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harry-styles-brexit-is-the-wrong-direction-gd0s0qzn9

[Cherie]

17 million album sales in one go

[ebandit]

...........'n what sort of world would one wish not to live

..........one where the opinion of pop singers is given more credence than ms blogg

Mark L

[Withano]

I always find it interesting when celebrities have actual opinions on real things. They always seem so one-dimensional (not trying to be punny) and plastic, that you kinda forget that they're real people.

Kudos to him for having the balls

I'd like to hear him expand on how he thinks Brexit effected his sales? I'm no pop-buff, but I'd imagine it has done pretty well worldwide?

[Brillopad]

GLUM DIRECTION Pop star Harry Styles reveals he’s a Remoaner and says Brexit heavily influenced his new album

The 23-year-old even told The Sunday Times Style magazine that he will vote for “whoever is against Brexit”.

He said the push to leave the EU is “creating the kind of world he does not want to live in”.






https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/3556442/pop-star-harry-styles-reveals-hes-a-remoaner-and-says-brexit-heavily-influenced-his-new-album/amp/


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harry-styles-brexit-is-the-wrong-direction-gd0s0qzn9

Oh that's it then - mind changed. Can't have such an important issue as the sale of some manufactured little pop star having his album sales affected by Brexit. Jumped-up little idiot.

[Alf]

Doesn't surprise me, middle-class isn't he?

[MB.]

"Harry Styles reveals he's a Remoaner"

Let me guess... this isn't a Financial Times article

[MB.]

oh and I see we're still working the "only the middle class voted Remain" angle when the Leave campaign was headed up by champions of the proletariat Boris Johnson and Arron Banks

[Alf]

oh and I see we're still working the "only the middle class voted Remain" angle when the Leave campaign was headed up by champions of the proletariat Boris Johnson and Arron BanksDon't get triggered, they're only words, and nothing has happened because of them.

[joeysteele]

Obviously I agree with him.

[Jack_]

Oh that's it then - mind changed. Can't have such an important issue as the sale of some manufactured little pop star having his album sales affected by Brexit. Jumped-up little idiot.

You see, this is what's so frightening about Brexit Britain. Anyone who dares to oppose it is berated. A man can simply express his belief that it might not be oh so wonderful and he gets labelled 'jumped up' and an 'idiot'. A national newspaper can declare on its front page that the general election will 'crush the saboteurs', because any opposition whatsoever is obviously such a disgusting crime. A woman can try to see that the parliamentary sovereignty that several leave voters protested to love so much is formally utilised to enact the process of withdrawal, and she receives death threats. And in a demonstration of bewildering irony that so many Brexiteers are blissfully unaware of, they demand that people 'respect democracy' whilst simultaneously criticising any protest, petition or verbal or written declaration of opposition - because of course democracy begins and ends with an electoral vote.

The political climate that's been created in the last year is ****ing terrifying. Nobody would accept this if the result had gone the other way, and quite rightly.

[joeysteele]

You see, this is what's so frightening about Brexit Britain. Anyone who dares to oppose it is berated. A man can simply express his belief that it might not be oh so wonderful and he gets labelled 'jumped up' and an 'idiot'. A national newspaper can declare on its front page that the general election will 'crush the saboteurs', because any opposition whatsoever is obviously such a disgusting crime. A woman can try to see that the parliamentary sovereignty that several leave voters protested to love so much is formally utilised to enact the process of withdrawal, and she receives death threats. And in a demonstration of bewildering irony that so many Brexiteers are blissfully unaware of, they demand that people 'respect democracy' whilst simultaneously criticising any protest, petition or verbal or written declaration of opposition - because of course democracy begins and ends with an electoral vote.

The political climate that's been created in the last year is ****ing terrifying. Nobody would accept this if the result had gone the other way, and quite rightly.

Jack_ you are amazing.

I feel little need to say much at all because you not only list my thoughts but expand on the points of things too.

I agree,the referendum campaign last year was the ugliest,sometimes scary and worrying campaign I had come across.
It has not got better since,as you say, either.

The intolerance is unbelievable at times and all it does for politics and in fact for the UK overall is drag all down.
It really is,in my view,I stress my view,and should be really worrying.

[Denver]

Anyone from One Direction should not be taken seriously

[Brillopad]

You see, this is what's so frightening about Brexit Britain. Anyone who dares to oppose it is berated. A man can simply express his belief that it might not be oh so wonderful and he gets labelled 'jumped up' and an 'idiot'. A national newspaper can declare on its front page that the general election will 'crush the saboteurs', because any opposition whatsoever is obviously such a disgusting crime. A woman can try to see that the parliamentary sovereignty that several leave voters protested to love so much is formally utilised to enact the process of withdrawal, and she receives death threats. And in a demonstration of bewildering irony that so many Brexiteers are blissfully unaware of, they demand that people 'respect democracy' whilst simultaneously criticising any protest, petition or verbal or written declaration of opposition - because of course democracy begins and ends with an electoral vote.

The political climate that's been created in the last year is ****ing terrifying. Nobody would accept this if the result had gone the other way, and quite rightly.

Sorry Jack but I disagree with a lot of that. Look how PC has encroached on Western society with aggression and put-downs being a common response to any opposition to political correctness. PC is against free speech in one breath but stifles it in another. That double standard hypocrisy constantly winds me up.

Much as I dislike the likes of Gina Miller I would never condone harrassment or threats as that is always unacceptable from both sides. You will always get that element on both sides of the political agenda. To suggest the Remain campaign/voters are the 'good guys' and the Leave 'campaigners/voters the 'bad guys' is blinkered.

Just like you often get a lot of violence etc at many kinds of marches and protests - such behaviour usually comes from opportunist thugs just seizing the chance to cause trouble and intimidate people. The organisers of such events often complain how it wasn't their supporters causing the problems but opportunist thugs. The same probably applies to those making such threats. Assumptions are being made on a mass scale here. In my experience thugs aren't usually politically minded.

Judging by the response of many 'remoaners' with some even disrespecting a public vote, and therefore democracy, by attempting to overturn the vote speaks volumes and demonstrates what lengths they will go to to try and get their own way.

There are no innocents in politics.

[LukeB]

I agree with Harry

And brexit is one of the worse things that has happeneded to our country.

[reece(:]

He didn't lie?

[Tom4784]

You see, this is what's so frightening about Brexit Britain. Anyone who dares to oppose it is berated. A man can simply express his belief that it might not be oh so wonderful and he gets labelled 'jumped up' and an 'idiot'. A national newspaper can declare on its front page that the general election will 'crush the saboteurs', because any opposition whatsoever is obviously such a disgusting crime. A woman can try to see that the parliamentary sovereignty that several leave voters protested to love so much is formally utilised to enact the process of withdrawal, and she receives death threats. And in a demonstration of bewildering irony that so many Brexiteers are blissfully unaware of, they demand that people 'respect democracy' whilst simultaneously criticising any protest, petition or verbal or written declaration of opposition - because of course democracy begins and ends with an electoral vote.

The political climate that's been created in the last year is ****ing terrifying. Nobody would accept this if the result had gone the other way, and quite rightly.

Yep, The Leaver Camp is starting to look a little 'dictator-y'.

[Denver]

I agree with Harry

And brexit is one of the worse things that has happeneded to our country.

not even in the top 5

[Tom4784]

Sorry Jack but I disagree with a lot that. Look how PC has encroached on Western society with aggression and put-downs being a common response to any opposition to political correctness. PC is against free speech in one breath but stifles it in another. That double standard hypocrisy constantly winds me up.

Much as I dislike the likes of Gina Miller I would never condone harrassment or threats as that is always unacceptable from both sides. You will always get that element on both sides of the political agenda. To suggest the Remain campaign/voters are the 'good guys' and the Leave 'campaigners/voters the 'bad guys' is blinkered.

Judging by the response of many 'remoaners' with some even disrespecting a public vote, and therefore democracy, by attempting to overturn the vote speaks volumes and demonstrates what lengths they will go to to try and get their own way.

There are no innocents in politics.


The bold points are there to highlight the rampant hypocrisy in the post. I thought I'd just stick to those two points since if I highlighted the other points of hypocrisy in that post then most of the post would be highlighted.

PC doesn't encroach on free speech, you are entitled to your opinion but no one is forced to accept them or acknowledge them. That's your issue with it, isn't it? You want people to cheer you for your opinions and you can't handle the fact that your opinions won't be universally adored. You only want freedom of speech for yourself and people who share your opinions which is why in this post you try to pass off opposing opinions to brexit as undemocratic, you are trying to invalidate any opinion that doesn't suit your agenda. You can be opposed to people who voted remain but you are actively trying to make out that people who don't get in line with your views basically don't believe in democracy and are trying to force their own way when you have been guilty in the past (along with other members) of telling remainers to basically assimilate with the Borg-I mean, accept the brexit and drop opposing opinions.

Going back to PC culture, your opinion is not being limited or held back in any way, you can say what you like, the problem here is that you (and pretty much everyone who acts like PC is the devil) don't have the conviction to own your opinions. All opinions come with consequences as I've said a thousand times, no one is exempt from those consequences.

Again, another thing I've said a thousand times, Freedom of Speech is a two way street. Do not act like a defender of it when you aren't really interested in FoS because you only want it for yourself and people who hold the same views as you.

[Brillopad]

The bold points are there to highlight the rampant hypocrisy in the post. I thought I'd just stick to those two points since if I highlighted the other points of hypocrisy in that post then most of the post would be highlighted.

PC doesn't encroach on free speech, you are entitled to your opinion but no one is forced to accept them or acknowledge them. That's your issue with it, isn't it? You want people to cheer you for your opinions and you can't handle the fact that your opinions won't be universally adored. You only want freedom of speech for yourself and people who share your opinions which is why in this post you try to pass off opposing opinions to brexit as undemocratic, you are trying to invalidate any opinion that doesn't suit your agenda. You can be opposed to people who voted remain but you are actively trying to make out that people who don't get in line with your views basically don't believe in democracy and are trying to force their own way when you have been guilty in the past (along with other members) of telling remainers to basically assimilate with the Borg-I mean, accept the brexit and drop opposing opinions.

Going back to PC culture, your opinion is not being limited or held back in any way, you can say what you like, the problem here is that you (and pretty much everyone who acts like PC is the devil) don't have the conviction to own your opinions. All opinions come with consequences as I've said a thousand times, no one is exempt from those consequences.

With regard to the highlighted bits I put 'remoaners' in quotes to um er quote the word - so to try and accuse me of hypocrisy based on that is banal and based on poor comprehension.

Everything you say there can there can easily be turned around.

[Alf]

You see, this is what's so frightening about Brexit Britain. Anyone who dares to oppose it is berated. A man can simply express his belief that it might not be oh so wonderful and he gets labelled 'jumped up' and an 'idiot'. A national newspaper can declare on its front page that the general election will 'crush the saboteurs', because any opposition whatsoever is obviously such a disgusting crime. A woman can try to see that the parliamentary sovereignty that several leave voters protested to love so much is formally utilised to enact the process of withdrawal, and she receives death threats. And in a demonstration of bewildering irony that so many Brexiteers are blissfully unaware of, they demand that people 'respect democracy' whilst simultaneously criticising any protest, petition or verbal or written declaration of opposition - because of course democracy begins and ends with an electoral vote.

The political climate that's been created in the last year is ****ing terrifying. Nobody would accept this if the result had gone the other way, and quite rightly.It's really not that frightening, you want to try being called a bigot, racsist, islamaphobe and Nazi just for not liking the unelected EU and wanting to no longer be part of it.

The terrifying thing is, grooming rape gangs being ignored, while people are put in prison for putting a couple of rashers of bacon on a building.

[Tom4784]

With regard to the highlighted bits I put 'remoaners' in quotes to um er quote the word - so to try and accuse me of hypocrisy based on that is banal and based on poor comprehension.

Everything you say there can there can easily be turned around.

Then turn it around. Simply saying it can be is not an argument.

[Withano]

It's really not that frightening, you want to try being called a bigot, racsist, islamaphobe and Nazi just for not liking the unelected EU and wanting to no longer be part of it.

The terrifying thing is, grooming rape gangs being ignored, while people are put in prison for putting a couple of rashers of bacon on a building.

Neither is okay though.. being called names because of political beliefs..
i don't understand the PC/freedom of speech defence they gave though, so I'm not sure I can comment - seems irrelevant to me, almost as if they just spouted out any old nonsense to defend their right to insult.

[Tom4784]

It's really not that frightening, you want to try being called a bigot, racsist, islamaphobe and Nazi just for not liking the unelected EU and wanting to no longer be part of it.

The terrifying thing is, grooming rape gangs being ignored, while people are put in prison for putting a couple of rashers of bacon on a building.

This is all very typical 'facebook' logic.

I imagine if you are being called those things then it's for more than simply supporting Brexit and your second sentence is simply silly and inflammatory rather than logical. Hate crimes and sex crimes are not comparable, life is not some sort of Police Procedural drama where the same officers will deal with all kinds of crimes. Different crimes are investigated and solved by different units. Idiotic hate crimes are usually easy to solve since the people who commit them are not very bright, it's often a case of consulting the CCTV to get an identification.

Things like rape gangs and sex rings are more organised and harder to break. They require more time and investigation to compare what is essentially an organised crime to yobs that aren't smart enough to cover their faces when they commit their crimes. They are not the same.

Honestly, this should be common sense.

[Brillopad]

Then turn it around. Simply saying it can be is not an argument.

Can't be bothered - people can read.

[Greg!]

King!

[Alf]

This is all very typical 'facebook' logic.

I imagine if you are being called those things then it's for more than simply supporting Brexit and your second sentence is simply silly and inflammatory rather than logical. Hate crimes and sex crimes are not comparable, life is not some sort of Police Procedural drama where the same officers will deal with all kinds of crimes. Different crimes are investigated and solved by different units. Idiotic hate crimes are usually easy to solve since the people who commit them are not very bright, it's often a case of consulting the CCTV to get an identification.

Things like rape gangs and sex rings are more organised and harder to break. They require more time and investigation to compare what is essentially an organised crime to yobs that aren't smart enough to cover their faces when they commit their crimes. They are not the same.

Honestly, this should be common sense.Hate crime is just a word, that has been made up in recent years, to control.

There's no such thing, a crime is called, a crime, the hate word has just been added by people who are anti-equality.

[Kizzy]

Sorry Jack but I disagree with a lot of that. Look how PC has encroached on Western society with aggression and put-downs being a common response to any opposition to political correctness. PC is against free speech in one breath but stifles it in another. That double standard hypocrisy constantly winds me up.

Much as I dislike the likes of Gina Miller I would never condone harrassment or threats as that is always unacceptable from both sides. You will always get that element on both sides of the political agenda. To suggest the Remain campaign/voters are the 'good guys' and the Leave 'campaigners/voters the 'bad guys' is blinkered.

Just like you often get a lot of violence etc at many kinds of marches and protests - such behaviour usually comes from opportunist thugs just seizing the chance to cause trouble and intimidate people. The organisers of such events often complain how it wasn't their supporters causing the problems but opportunist thugs. The same probably applies to those making such threats. Assumptions are being made on a mass scale here. In my experience those who have an interest in politics aren't generally thugs.

Judging by the response of many 'remoaners' with some even disrespecting a public vote, and therefore democracy, by attempting to overturn the vote speaks volumes and demonstrates what lengths they will go to to try and get their own way.

There are no innocents in politics.

Says the person using the term PC as an aggressive put down...

Dismissing the fears of 16 million people as moaning is disrespectful, this media driven rudeness is the reason why remain voters don't feel confident airing any opinions as they are immediately dismissed in this irrational manner.

[Tom4784]

Can't be bothered - people can read.

So you can't turn it around like you said and you're basically giving up without admitting to giving up. Okay.

[Kizzy]

Hate crime is just a word, that has been made up in recent years, to control.

There's no such thing, a crime is called, a crime, the hate word has just been added by people who are anti-equality.

It's a descriptor, like cyber crime or car crime... :/

[Nicky91]

why does Harry Styles have to mention his opinion on something like this :laugh2:

[Brillopad]

Says the person using the term PC as an aggressive put down...

Dismissing the fears of 16 million people as moaning is disrespectful, this media driven rudeness is the reason why remain voters don't feel confident airing any opinions as they are immediately dismissed in this irrational manner.

PC is just an abbreviation for politically correct - is that not the definition in the dictionary?

Kizzy, I think we have all pretty much established that most of us have felt uncomfortable and hesitant of airing our views for fear of dismissal at some time or another on here - it is not exclusive to those on one side of the argument.

Speaking personally I know that I react to such 'stifling' as I suspect most do. It is a natural response to put-downs, name-calling etc and as long as those on one side do it those on the other will likely do so too - a game of ping-pong.

I can't see things changing somehow. :shrug:

[Brillopad]

why does Harry Styles have to mention his opinion on something like this :laugh2:

He thinks he is important. He's a teeny bopper 'star'. :hee:

[Tom4784]

Hate crime is just a word, that has been made up in recent years, to control.

There's no such thing, a crime is called, a crime, the hate word has just been added by people who are anti-equality.

Hate Crime has been a thing in the UK for 31 years, it's hardly a recent thing... And yes, it IS a thing. It's honestly quite worrying that you deny it's existence never mind the fact that you believe it to be a method of control... The fact that you believe that Hate Crimes don't exist and that, if they did the fact they would criminalise behaviours associated with it as 'anti-equality' is quite astounding.

Honestly, I can understand why people are throwing those accusations at you in your previous post when you make ignorant statements such as this.

[Greg!]

Doesn't surprise me, middle-class isn't he?

No

[Alf]

Hate Crime has been a thing in the UK for 31 years, it's hardly a recent thing... And yes, it IS a thing. It's honestly quite worrying that you deny it's existence never mind the fact that you believe it to be a method of control... The fact that you believe that Hate Crimes don't exist and that, if they did the fact they would criminalise behaviours associated with it as 'anti-equality' is quite astounding.

Honestly, I can understand why people are throwing those accusations at you in your previous post when you make ignorant statements such as this.Ignorant? what am I ignoring?

I'm not the one ignoring grooming paedophile rape gangs, because I don't want to be called names.

[Alf]

NoIs he not?

I was only guessing, that's why I asked.

[Nicky91]

He thinks he is important. He's a teeny bopper 'star'. :hee:

yeah, he really isn't


i also don't really like his song sign of the times, it reminds me a bit of space oddity and life on mars, in the instrumentals


Harry ''overrated celebrity'' Styles :hehe:

[Brillopad]

Hate Crime has been a thing in the UK for 31 years, it's hardly a recent thing... And yes, it IS a thing. It's honestly quite worrying that you deny it's existence never mind the fact that you believe it to be a method of control... The fact that you believe that Hate Crimes don't exist and that, if they did the fact they would criminalise behaviours associated with it as 'anti-equality' is quite astounding.

Honestly, I can understand why people are throwing those accusations at you in your previous post when you make ignorant statements such as this.

Hate crimes come from all quarters, let's not pretend it is exclusive to those of one particular viewpoint. They usually have more to do with the individual than any political views.

It is what is labelled as a 'hate crime' that counts. The word 'hate' is thrown around very selectively by some which waters down its meaning. Those doing all the throwing are therefore responsible for that.

Opposing immigration for instance is not in itself 'hate' - how they go about opposing it may be. How someone opposes anyone that expresses such an opinion could also be 'hate'. These things need to be proven - just saying it means nothing.

[Withano]

Opposing immigration for instance is not in itself 'hate' - how they go about opposing it may be. How someone opposes anyone that expresses such an opinion could also be 'hate'. These things need to be proven - just saying it means nothing.

This genuinely sounds like you cant differentiate between an actual hate crime, and a lefty having a tiff with a righty on the internet. You might wanna clear that up real quick.

[Marsh.]

Brexit heavily influenced his new album

Of course it did.

[Brillopad]

This genuinely sounds like you cant differentiate between an actual hate crime, and a lefty having a tiff with a righty on the internet. You might wanna clear that up real quick.

Well you would say that!

[Nicky91]

Of course it did.

yeah maybe he would get less money with brexit :hehe:

but also we aren't complaining about 1Dxit anymore :joker:

[Withano]

1Dxit

:joker: excellent

[Nicky91]

:joker: excellent

yeah Zayn is also actually a much better singer than young mr styles ever will be :)


I quite adore PillowTalk and I don't wanna live forever of Fifty Shades darker

:blush:

[Babayaro.]

Anyone from One Direction should not be taken seriously

Says Adam from TiBB

[DemolitionRed]

Hate crime is just a word, that has been made up in recent years, to control.

There's no such thing, a crime is called, a crime, the hate word has just been added by people who are anti-equality.

Bullsiht. When I saw that pregnant African woman who had a small child with her, being shouted at by a racist bigot, that was both hate and a crime (bias-motivated crime). Its not a crime to shout at someone but it is a crime to shout racial slurs at someone. The word "hate" or "bias motivated" is just a description on the sort of crime it comes under.

[DemolitionRed]

Opposing immigration for instance is not in itself 'hate' - how they go about opposing it may be. How someone opposes anyone that expresses such an opinion could also be 'hate'. These things need to be proven - just saying it means nothing.

If you heard a person on the bus having a real unrevoked rant at a Muslim man, suggesting he was a potential terrorist; would you consider that a hate crime?

If the police stepped on the bus and the Muslim man reported this other persons outburst, would you stand in as a witness on the side of the Muslim man?

[Denver]

Says Adam from TiBB

Did i lie though

[Tom4784]

He thinks he is important. He's a teeny bopper 'star'. :hee:

Or he's just entitled to his opinion like everyone else? Not a surprise to see you trying to shut it down though.

[Nicky91]

Or he's just entitled to his opinion like everyone else? Not a surprise to see you trying to shut it down though.

no not at all, i just can't like him, no matter how hard i try :(

[Tom4784]

Ignorant? what am I ignoring?

I'm not the one ignoring grooming paedophile rape gangs, because I don't want to be called names.

This....doesn't seem relevant to anything? I think you've put 2 and 2 together and came up with 98.

[Brillopad]

Or he's just entitled to his opinion like everyone else? Not a surprise to see you trying to shut it down though.

He is not important, neither is his opinion informed or knowledgable - he has a sense of entitlement as a manufactured pop 'star' thinking anyone cares.

[Marsh.]

You have to be deemed "important" to have an opinion on your own country's politics?

[Nicky91]

lol :laugh:

[Withano]

He is not important, neither is his opinion informed or knowledgable - he has a sense of entitlement as a manufactured pop 'star' thinking anyone cares.

You realise youve made 9 posts (more than anybody else) in relation to someone you deem unimportant.. kinda suggests the opposite, and thats coming from someone who dislikes the lad!

[Brillopad]

You realise youve made 9 posts (more than anybody else) in relation to someone you deem unimportant.. kinda suggests the opposite, and thats coming from someone who dislikes the lad!

At least I don't count peoples' posts - how odd! Each to their own!

[Withano]

At least I don't count peoples' posts - how odd! Each to their own!

(I didn't count, theres a list that tells you)

[Brillopad]

(I didn't count, theres a list that tells you)

Why would you check a list - still odd in my opinion.

[Withano]

Why would you check a list - still odd in my opinion.

Because you have made a noticably high number of posts on a topic you deemed unimportant, so I checked the figure to guage just how silly your post was. FYI: very silly.
Not only do you find it important, you find it more important than every other member on the website!
Call me names all you want luv.

[Cherie]

Bullsiht. When I saw that pregnant African woman who had a small child with her, being shouted at by a racist bigot, that was both hate and a crime (bias-motivated crime). Its not a crime to shout at someone but it is a crime to shout racial slurs at someone. The word "hate" or "bias motivated" is just a description on the sort of crime it comes under.

You seem to see more people being abused than the rest of TiBB put together, it was a woman selling the Big Issue last week

[DemolitionRed]

You see to see more people being abused than the rest of TiBB put together

Excuse me? you wouldn't be accusing me of lying by any chance? Tell you what, why don't you go and look through my posts because I'll guarantee you find a post (not too far back) about a white man verbally abusing a black pregnant African woman with a child in my doctors surgery.

[JTM45]

not even in the top 5

Give it time.
It hasn't even happened yet.
It'll easily be deserving of the #1 worst decision by the time the rot really sets in.

[jaxie]

It's really not that frightening, you want to try being called a bigot, racsist, islamaphobe and Nazi just for not liking the unelected EU and wanting to no longer be part of it.

The terrifying thing is, grooming rape gangs being ignored, while people are put in prison for putting a couple of rashers of bacon on a building.

:clap1: :clap1: Not that I support any kind of pork baiting, but still, very good point.

[JTM45]

Hate crime is just a word, that has been made up in recent years, to control.

There's no such thing, a crime is called, a crime, the hate word has just been added by people who are anti-equality.

Yeah, someone 'crimed' my neighbours house a few years back. I would have said they 'burgled' it but now you've cleared up the fact that names to describe specific crimes don't exist now i'll be careful not to.:rolleyes:

Just 'wow'.:bored:

[Brillopad]

Yeah, someone 'crimed' my neighbours house a few years back. I would have said they 'burgled' it but now you've cleared up the fact that names to describe specific crimes don't exist now i'll be careful not to.:rolleyes:

Just 'wow'.:bored:

That isn't what was said. Exaggeration or what!

[Jack_]

Jack_ you are amazing.

I feel little need to say much at all because you not only list my thoughts but expand on the points of things too.

I agree,the referendum campaign last year was the ugliest,sometimes scary and worrying campaign I had come across.
It has not got better since,as you say, either.

The intolerance is unbelievable at times and all it does for politics and in fact for the UK overall is drag all down.
It really is,in my view,I stress my view,and should be really worrying.

Thank you, I'm glad you agree. The Tories are of course determined to make this election all about Brexit and they're going to succeed, it seems even a year on we're still divided into 'remoaners' or 'racists' - all political discourse at the moment is so toxic and nasty.

Like I said, you daren't offer any kind of opposition to the referendum result, or even the terms in which we'll be leaving - because otherwise you're a 'saboteur', a 'traitor', an 'enemy of the people'. What really gets me the most is that everyone's favourite wanker Nigel Farage explicitly said that a 48/52 result for Remain 'would be unfinished business by a long way', and yet the same result in reverse means that 16 million people must now all put up and shut up, because democracy begins and ends on polling day. It's pathetic, it's scary, and it's not good for democracy.

Sorry Jack but I disagree with a lot of that. Look how PC has encroached on Western society with aggression and put-downs being a common response to any opposition to political correctness. PC is against free speech in one breath but stifles it in another. That double standard hypocrisy constantly winds me up.

Much as I dislike the likes of Gina Miller I would never condone harrassment or threats as that is always unacceptable from both sides. You will always get that element on both sides of the political agenda. To suggest the Remain campaign/voters are the 'good guys' and the Leave 'campaigners/voters the 'bad guys' is blinkered.

Just like you often get a lot of violence etc at many kinds of marches and protests - such behaviour usually comes from opportunist thugs just seizing the chance to cause trouble and intimidate people. The organisers of such events often complain how it wasn't their supporters causing the problems but opportunist thugs. The same probably applies to those making such threats. Assumptions are being made on a mass scale here. In my experience thugs aren't usually politically minded.

Judging by the response of many 'remoaners' with some even disrespecting a public vote, and therefore democracy, by attempting to overturn the vote speaks volumes and demonstrates what lengths they will go to to try and get their own way.

There are no innocents in politics.

As I've discussed with you before, and as another thread has usefully illustrated, 'political correctness' is not the sole domain of those on the left. In fact, it's often those on the right who are in favour of censorship in terms of television. Mary Whitehouse was certainly no lefty. Indeed, as I pointed out to you a few weeks ago, it's usually also those on the right who chastise comedians for daring to make so-called 'offensive' jokes, and demand that they be blacklisted from the media or even prosecuted for their jokes. Hardly proponents of free speech, eh? Sounds very snowflakey...

With regards to the referendum, democracy does not begin and end with a public vote. Democracy encompasses the right to protest, the right to create petitions, the right to express your opposition, the right to campaign for what one believes is a good deal for us to depart with, and so on and so forth. And yet these very people are being vilified by the tabloid press and berated on social media. In the aftermath of a general election, the opposition party does not then pack up shop and leave the government to it. Those who didn't vote for the incumbents aren't suddenly silenced, and forced to swallow the proverbial dick of the new government. That's not how democracy works, nor should it. And the referendum works in exactly the same way. We are leaving the European Union. The terms of which are up for discussion. People are entitled to still say that they think it's a terrible idea, and that it should be rerun, or that there's better ways of going about getting a deal than the ones Theresa May and co are proposing. The incessant 'saboteurs' rhetoric is as divisive as it is anti-democratic.

And this was precisely my point in my original post:

He is not important, neither is his opinion informed or knowledgable - he has a sense of entitlement as a manufactured pop 'star' thinking anyone cares.

How do you know if his opinion is informed or knowledgeable or not? Do you monitor whether Harry Styles reads up on the nuances of EU legislation and the like in his spare time? Are you aware of whether or not he's researched the consequences? How could you possibly know this? Why is he 'entitled' for giving his opinion on political affairs when asked about it in an interview? He's a British citizen, just because he's in the public eye it doesn't mean he's not entitled to an opinion or to express that opinion. If anything, the more celebrities with young fanbases talk about politics, the more young people may become more involved in politics - that can only be a good thing, but I'm sure you'll disagree because they aren't old, 'experienced' or, crucially, likely to be in favour of Brexit.

It's really not that frightening, you want to try being called a bigot, racsist, islamaphobe and Nazi just for not liking the unelected EU and wanting to no longer be part of it.

The terrifying thing is, grooming rape gangs being ignored, while people are put in prison for putting a couple of rashers of bacon on a building.

I don't agree with everyone who voted to leave being labelled a bigot or a racist, I think it's lazy, pushes people away, and fails to address the real reasons - thirty years in the making - of why things like this and Trump's election are happening.

However, if you don't think that people being called 'saboteurs' and 'enemies of the people' for daring to express their opposition to the referendum result is scary and a dangerous road, then I'm afraid you're just wrong. It's fascist nonsense.

I genuinely ****ing hate this place these days. Not just like "oh no it's good as it used to be" - actually hate it.

It's a ****ing ****heap, but it's like a microcosm of what's going on outside of the this place in the "real world". The whole thing makes me sick.

[Kazanne]

why does Harry Styles have to mention his opinion on something like this :laugh2:

Because he can, it's good he's actually taken an interest.

[Kazanne]

yeah, he really isn't


i also don't really like his song sign of the times, it reminds me a bit of space oddity and life on mars, in the instrumentals


Harry ''overrated celebrity'' Styles :hehe:

Well luckily for Harry he has millions of fans,I am one of them, I am sure you disliking him will leave him bereft :joker: i know what you mean though I tried to like Georgina aswell but I just couldn't she was awful,at least Harry IS a celebrity and like him or not he is as much entitalled to give his opinion than anyone else.

[Alf]

It is pretty that Harry Styles has caused one of the biggest debates on tibb in ages.

I guess in relation to the OP, I think hes entited to his opinion, and it is just as valid as anybody elses... but I think he should expand on the point.. Hes saying what he thinks, but he isnt saying why.Do you mean, what's the message?

Well the message is, he's got a new album coming out, and he'll do whatever he can to promote it, because he wants to make some money.

[Withano]

Do you mean, what's the message?

Well the message is, he's got a new album coming out, and he'll do whatever he can to promote it, because he wants to make some money.

Bit of a controversial tactic! But publicity sells, so perhaps. Wouldnt put it past him.

[Josy]

Cleaned this thread.

Other members are not up for discussion, stick to the topic of the threads.

And the same people baiting and attempting to get a reaction from others is boring, predictable and ruins any decent debate, give it a rest.