So Tory supporters

[Cherie]

Are you happy that only English and Welsh pensioners will have their fuel allowance means tested at a level that has not been specified...it's colder in Scotland...apparently ...or is it that the Torys are desperate to get one over on the SNP..shame they don't feel Labour is a similar threat or English and Welsh pensioners might get the same benefit :idc:

[Kizzy]

I'm not a tory supporter *spit* but my feeling is they are going to make it so hard too claim that many forgo the hassle and just do what the tories want, get hypothermia and die.

[Wizard.]

Scotland is freezing so it's fair. You wouldn't give winters fuel allowance to people living in the Carribean.

[Brillopad]

I'm not a tory supporter *spit* but my feeling is they are going to make it so hard too claim that many forgo the hassle and just do what the tories want, get hypothermia and die.

You do know how clear-thinking and level-headed that sounds. :hee: Conspiracy theories awash.

[Kizzy]

You do know how clear-thinking and level-headed that sounds. :hee: Conspiracy theories awash.

Erm... what happen to freedom of speech? That is my opinion I'll thank you not to mock it.

[Cherie]

Scotland is freezing so it's fair. You wouldn't give winters fuel allowance to people living in the Carribean.

Are we talking about the Carribean?

[Cherie]

You do know how clear-thinking and level-headed that sounds. :hee: Conspiracy theories awash.

It was on the news, May has said Scotland has powers over its own benefits and they won't means test pensioners, meanwhile they will means test your Mum and Dad

[Kizzy]

Scotland is freezing so it's fair. You wouldn't give winters fuel allowance to people living in the Carribean.

It's not exactly tropical here!

[Greg!]

I'm screaming at them being so desperate to win seats in Scotland that they're just not doing that policy up here

[Cherie]

:fist:vIt's not exactly tropical here!

Apparently there is a huge difference if you live on one side of Hadrians wall or the other..ask Riley he will keep you warm :hee:

[Cherie]

I'm screaming at them being so desperate to win seats in Scotland that they're just not doing that policy up here

Pathetic right but even more do that people are making excuses for it :laugh: it's one degree warmer down south you know !!!!!

[Brillopad]

It was on the news, May has said Scotland has powers over its own benefits and they won't means test pensioners, meanwhile they will means test your Mum and Dad

I don't doubt that but I hardly think May wants our pensioners to drop dead of hyperthermia. For me it makes sense to give it to those that need it. If they don't I don't feel they should get it. Leaves more in the pot for those that do.

[Kizzy]

Watch the mortality rate rocket :(

[Cherie]

I don't doubt that but I hardly think May wants our pensioners to drop dead of hyperthermia. For me it makes sense to give it to those that need it. If they don't I don't feel they should get it. Leaves more in the pot for those that do.

So why does not not apply to Scottish pensioners? It won't leave any more in the pot than the 350 mil per week to the NHS it will be diverted elsewhere don't you worry about that

[Cherie]

Are there no wealthy Scottish pensioner Brillo?

[Brillopad]

So why does not not apply to Scottish pensioners? It won't leave any more in the pot than the 350 mil per week to the NHS it will be diverted elsewhere don't you worry about that

It should apply to all including the Scots in my opinion.

[DemolitionRed]

Its going to cost more to employ the staff to do the admin but then I suppose the Tories collect tax on admin staff... win, win.

[Cherie]

It should apply to all including the Scots in my opinion.

Well it's not going to apply, because the Torys want votes in Scotland, so guess what ...... who pays the price...nothing to do with who can afford it, it's all about that landslide victory ..if this doesn't show exactly what the Torys are about nothing will in all honesty

[Cherie]

Its going to cost more to employ the staff to do the admin but then I suppose the Tories collect tax on admin staff... win, win.

They won't need any admin in Scotland..no one will be giving up their allowance

[smudgie]

So why does not not apply to Scottish pensioners? It won't leave any more in the pot than the 350 mil per week to the NHS it will be diverted elsewhere don't you worry about that

It is up to the Scottish Parliament to decide. Devolution and all that.
It will come out of their own taxes I should imagine.

[Cherie]

It is up to the Scottish Parliament to decide. Devolution and all that.
It will come out of their own taxes I should imagine.

Will English and Welsh workers get a rebate do you think?

[Cherie]

I hope the Welsh protect their pensioners as well, so it's only the English pensioners suffer, the idea that members can't see that this is a blatant move to win votes in Scotland while taking the votes elsewhere pretty much for granted is incredible

[James]

You're pointing out the flaws in devolution here.

In Scotland policies like this are decided by members of the Scottish Parliament (although a lot of it is still funded by the UK Treasury, which complicates it more). For England it is decided by the UK parliament, including Scottish MPs.

[Cherie]

You're pointing out the flaws in devolution here.

In Scotland policies like this are decided by members of the Scottish Parliament (although a lot of it is still funded by the UK Treasury, which complicates it more). For England it is decided by the UK parliament, including Scottish MPs.

but parliament is dissolved so no one has authority to say anything really

[James]

I mean after the election, and the new (UK) parliament is sitting?

[Cherie]

I mean after the election, and the new (UK) parliament is sitting?

Oh okay yes

[smudgie]

Will English and Welsh workers get a rebate do you think?

Pfffftttttt.....don't be daft Cherie.:joker:

[Kazanne]

Are there no wealthy Scottish pensioner Brillo?

Wasn't it Nicola Sturgeon who said she wouldn't allow it to be means tested in Scotland and all pensioners would still get it ,i don't think May had much of a say in that.

[Cherie]

Pfffftttttt.....don't be daft Cherie.:joker:

Indeed

[reece(:]

They're a mess, as if there's severe weather changes between Fife and Brighton

[Cherie]

Wasn't it Nicola Sturgeon who said she wouldn't allow it to be means tested in Scotland and all pensioners would still get it ,i don't think May had much of a say in that.

she had to know that Sturgeon wouldn't go for it, how much more austerity are England and Wales going to suck up before there is a backlash, bucket loads it seems ...

[Kizzy]

she had to know that Sturgeon wouldn't go for it, how much more austerity are England and Wales going to suck up before there is a backlash, bucket loads it seems ...

Hopefully this is the rod that breaks the camels back ....JC4PM!!!

[Denver]

Britain's wants a referendum to expell Scotland

[user104658]

They're a mess, as if there's severe weather changes between Fife and Brighton

I grew up in Ayrshire, have lived down near Manchester, and now back north of the border and there is honestly very little difference at all for the mostpart.

I have also lived in Dundee (For University) and I would say that it was notably colder in the winter, and also drier in the summer, than Ayrshire but that's an East / West coast difference rather than a north and south. In fact, I would say the weather in Ayrshire is much more akin to the weather in the North of England than it is the east coast of Scotland.

Further towards the north / the Highlands & Islands I would say it is significantly colder in winter... but something like 75% of Scotland's population is in the Central Belt + borders. The weather is pretty much the same as anywhere else in the UK :shrug:.

[James]

I'm from Ayrshire. :thumbs2: Just looking at weather maps it seems like the southern part of England is usually a few degrees warmer. The middle less so, and the north about the same.

[jaxie]

I'm not a tory supporter *spit* but my feeling is they are going to make it so hard too claim that many forgo the hassle and just do what the tories want, get hypothermia and die.

Kizzy the Tory Princess.isnt it a bit of a stretch to claim the government wants people to die. Usually everyone complains that they give wealthy people too much. Isn't the point that those who don't need extra heating help won't get it.

[Beso]

Same old rubbish spouted in a political debate..the nasty tories want pensioners to die....absolute rubbish..

Rather pathetic and childish to say and think this.


Get a new shock tactic, the bitterness at others success is shockingly evident.

[MTVN]

I hope the Welsh protect their pensioners as well, so it's only the English pensioners suffer, the idea that members can't see that this is a blatant move to win votes in Scotland while taking the votes elsewhere pretty much for granted is incredible

Well May's not exactly happy about it and she said as much but there's not much she can do really, its Ruth Davidson's decision on a devolved issue on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives who have the right to make their own decision on things like this

[Cherie]

Well May's not exactly happy about it and she said as much but there's not much she can do really, its Ruth Davidson's decision on a devolved issue on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives who have the right to make their own decision on things like this

Just shows how desperate the Torys are in Scotland that they will screw over their leader and pensioners living outside of Scotland for votes, all this talk of its fair that we give to those in need doesn't seem to apply when Labour tries it, suddenly it's a great idea but only for outside Scotland mind, honestly I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread :laugh:

[joeysteele]

Just shows how desperate the Torys are in Scotland that they will screw over their leader and pensioners living outside of Scotland for votes, all this talk of its fair that we give to those in need doesn't seem to apply when Labour tries it, suddenly it's a great idea but only for outside Scotland mind, honestly I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread :laugh:

The post of this thread for me.

It is beyond belief and yes it is Ruth Davidson the Scottish Con leader who has thrown this out going right against her National leader and party.

However it appears Mrs May will only make her views of disappointment,only token ones,not to jeopardise deceiving Scots into handing her a handful more possibly of seats there.

[DemolitionRed]

Some but not many Britain's wants a referendum to expell Scotland.

[Kizzy]

Kizzy the Tory Princess.isnt it a bit of a stretch to claim the government wants people to die. Usually everyone complains that they give wealthy people too much. Isn't the point that those who don't need extra heating help won't get it.

I'm a tory princess? :/

No, it's at the core of laissez faire ideology, sink or swim...

No the point is those who do need it won't claim it, either through pride or circumstance.

[smudgie]

If it is not too hard to whittle down those who can't claim dole, ESA etc based on income then it shouldn't be too hard to do the same with the winter fuel payment.:shrug:

[Kazanne]

If it is not too hard to whittle down those who can't claim dole, ESA etc based on income then it shouldn't be too hard to do the same with the winter fuel payment.:shrug:

I don't think you need to claim it at the moment,pretty sure all pensioners get it ,Some well off pensioners have said they don't need it so I don't see the problem with them not having it.

[Kizzy]

If they don't want it or need it they can say so, or donate the money to a charity... Why if some don't need it should that mean those that do have to jump though hoops yo get it?

[Cherie]

I don't think you need to claim it at the moment,pretty sure all pensioners get it ,Some well off pensioners have said they don't need it so I don't see the problem with them not having it.

There are also people who say they don't need it but they paid their taxes and NI all their life so they may as well get something back, how can Scotland afford to keep giving ALL their pensioner winter fuel, yet England can't, it's take take take with the Tory's is anyone getting anything back? so far the only ones that are going to benefit from the Tory manifesto are Starbucks when their corporation tax is cut... no tax breaks for the "ordinary working people" May keeps banging on about, oh and Brexit which is going ahead anyway whatever party gets in.

[Kizzy]

There are also people who say they don't need it but they paid their taxes and NI all their life so they may as well get something back, how can Scotland afford to keep giving ALL their pensioner winter fuel, yet England can't, it's take take take with the Tory's is anyone getting anything back? so far the only ones that are going to benefit from the Tory manifesto are Starbucks when their corporation tax is cut... no tax breaks for the "ordinary working people" May keeps banging on about, oh and Brexit which is going ahead anyway whatever party gets in.

Ooops.... our Cherie just fell off the fence ;)

[smudgie]

There are also people who say they don't need it but they paid their taxes and NI all their life so they may as well get something back, how can Scotland afford to keep giving ALL their pensioner winter fuel, yet England can't, it's take take take with the Tory's is anyone getting anything back? so far the only ones that are going to benefit from the Tory manifesto are Starbucks when their corporation tax is cut... no tax breaks for the "ordinary working people" May keeps banging on about, oh and Brexit which is going ahead anyway whatever party gets in.

Don't Scotland get over £1500 per head extra than England due to the Barnett formula?
Even Barnett himself said the system was unfair in 2004 and that it isn't working.

[Kazanne]

There are also people who say they don't need it but they paid their taxes and NI all their life so they may as well get something back, how can Scotland afford to keep giving ALL their pensioner winter fuel, yet England can't, it's take take take with the Tory's is anyone getting anything back? so far the only ones that are going to benefit from the Tory manifesto are Starbucks when their corporation tax is cut... no tax breaks for the "ordinary working people" May keeps banging on about, oh and Brexit which is going ahead anyway whatever party gets in.

You could say this though about people who want things for free all the time even when they don't need it,that smacks of greed to me,if someone says they don't want it as they don't need it surely that can go towards people who do,it seems we want to take,take,take even when we don't need it.:shrug:

[Cherie]

You could say this though about people who want things for free all the time even when they don't need it,that smacks of greed to me,if someone says they don't want it as they don't need it surely that can go towards people who do,it seems we want to take,take,take even when we don't need it.:shrug:

It's not greed though, we should be looking after our elderly, greed is squirrelling millions off shore and companies paying minimum wage not Doris getting 100.00 towards her fuel bill

[jaxie]

I'm a tory princess? :/

No, it's at the core of laissez faire ideology, sink or swim...

No the point is those who do need it won't claim it, either through pride or circumstance.

It was ironic humour based on what had been said in the previous few comments. I'd quote it because it's funny based on your political leanings but we all know where that will end.

[Kazanne]

It's not greed though, we should be looking after our elderly, greed is squirrelling millions off shore and companies paying minimum wage not Doris getting 100.00 towards her fuel bill

:joker:Poor Doris :joker: We should look after our elderly I agree and she better had do.I have this feeling though Cherie that we are in for a shock,so I hope Doris is ready for it:laugh:

[Kizzy]

It was ironic humour based on what had been said in the previous few comments. I'd quote it because it's funny based on your political leanings but we all know where that will end.

Yeah it fell a bit flat, if that's your attempt at humour don't give up the day job :/