Its time to state the obvious: Theresa May is really not very good

[DemolitionRed]

These are the words of Matt Chorley of The Times who is madly anti-Labour (as you would expect) and who wrote in the Red Box email (which is free and I consider essential daily reading) https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/newsletter-signup-redbox-925pqzzpj

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/listen-to-her-fans-and-you-d-think-theresa-was-bigger-than-one-direction-28s20zcvn?CMP=TNLEmail_118918_1898515https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/listen-to-her-fans-and-you-d-think-theresa-was-bigger-than-one-direction-28s20zcvn?CMP=TNLEmail_118918_1898515
"Three weeks ago I wrote that despite being likened to Margaret Thatcher and Jesus, May was actually not very good. She is fine at reading things out but terrible at answering questions or responding to criticism. I was surprised by the number of senior Tories, under sworn secrecy, who got in touch to say that in the privacy of their own thoughts, they agreed.

Support within for the PM in the Tory party, even among ministers, is wide but pretty shallow.

I admit now I made two mistakes in that column. First, I predicted the correction in public opinion would come after June 8, when May had to make big decisions and her mettle was tested. It has come much sooner.

And I ended by saying: “But it’s fine because she is going to win, and win big, and I will be removed from my bed in the middle of the night to be taken to a camp and re-educated.”

I admit I was wrong. The idea that May will win big now looks, if not impossible, in serious doubt".

[Kizzy]

I hope to god he's right :/

[joeysteele]

Nothing good or endearing about her at all.
A truly deceitful individual with virtually no,at least, political redeeming qualities whatsoever.

Obviously I know nothing as to her personally and how really grateful I am as to that.

[Mystic Mock]

I know that I can be quite blunt when it comes to Theresa May so I'll say this in her defence, I really wouldn't have wanted to takeover as PM after David Cameron's idiotic move for an EU Referendum, she didn't call it and is now having to try and find a solution that David Cameron created, no she really hasn't handled it well at all, she stumbles in the debates about the EU, she has antogonised pretty much everybody that isn't a hardline Tory voter, she's just very lucky that her opposition is weak otherwise she would lose the Election.

Obviously with the recent Manchester attack aswell it's again not been made easy for her to sort the mess out, but I can't help but feel that if this was Tony Blair or most other ex-leaders for that matter I feel that they'd make people less scared and panicked about what's just happened, and about Brexit too.

[Locke.]

Thank you for being the voice of reason our Country needs at this time, Mock

[Mystic Mock]

Thank you for being the voice of reason our Country needs at this time, Mock

Is this sarcasm?:laugh:

[Brillopad]

I hope to god he's right :/

Not win big is his claim - not not win. Besides just another opinion.

[jaxie]

And Jeremy Corbyn is dreadful. Given a choice she does come across better.

[JTM45]

And Jeremy Corbyn is dreadful. Given a choice she does come across better.

She REALLY doesn't at all!!!:laugh:

She's failed to deliver everything she's promised going back to before she was even PM..............and it's pretty much the same things she's been non-delivering on. They don't call her the Maybot for nothing!

All she does is repeat her weak little campaign catchphrases (in increasingly frustrated pitch) that don't hold up. She's to debating what UKip is to constructive politics!

[Brillopad]

She REALLY doesn't at all!!!:laugh:

She's failed to deliver everything she's promised going back to before she was even PM..............and it's pretty much the same things she's been non-delivering on. They don't call her the Maybot for nothing!

All she does is repeat her weak little campaign catchphrases (in increasingly frustrated pitch) that don't hold up. She's to debating what UKip is to constructive politics!

All Corbyn does is wildly promise the world to all those gullible voters desperate for a miraculous change in our economy. It is all talk with little actual realism involved. Short-term plans with no thought given to long-term effects - DEBT. He is unlikely to keep to them anyway once in because they are largely unworkable.

This is effectively still a vote on Brexit and the remainers scared of change and going it on our own are clutching at every chance, every straw and every 'promise' they can to effectively overturn Brexit. It really is quite painful to watch.

[Cherie]

We are in a US style situation where none of them are any good tbf, imagine Farron or Nutalll in coalition :shudder:

[Kizzy]

If you want realism then as soon as the tories get back in there will be a further 7% reduction for schools ( as reported by the IFS yesterday) and the NHS dismantled.

We will also be at increased risk of attack due to our negligence in relation to failures in tackling home grown terrorism.

[Cherie]

All Corbyn does is wildly promise the world to all those gullible voters desperate for a miraculous change in our economy. It is all talk with little actual realism involved. Short-term plans with no thought given to long-term effects - DEBT. He is unlikely to keep to them anyway once in because they are largely unworkable.

This is effectively still a vote on Brexit and the remainers scared of change and going it on our own are clutching at every chance, every straw and every 'promise' they can to effectively overturn Brexit. It really is quite painful to watch.

The manifesto is costed Brillo unlike the Cons in particular the breakfast club which didn't include costing for staffing and other overheads, schoolgirl error

[Toy Soldier]

The Tories didn't expect Brexit and Cameron was expected to still be PM for several years. Brexit happened, he ran for the hills. Couldn't see him for dust. Not that I blame him...

Anyway, she was shoehorned into a role that she wasn't right for, with next to no preparation, because frankly no one else wanted to touch it with a barge pole. So it's not really surprising that she comes across as an amateur local theatre performer reading from a sheet of A4 whilst doing a bad impersonation of Margaret Thatcher.

[Withano]

Shes ****e, but that's not really relevant. What matters are the policies, and hers are ****e

[Kizzy]

They are and yet that's going to be overshadowed by her bony fingers pointing at Corbyn due to her suggestions 'we are to blame' for terrorism..... :/

No love YOU and your party are, from the drones to the reduction in policing, the ill equipped forces and the deviation from PREVENT.

She is the one with blood on her hands.

[Northern Monkey]

She is fecking terrible.This should've been the easiest election campaign ever.I mean just look at the opposition.She didn't need to do anything.She could've sat at home and watched telly with her feet up and still won.
How is she fecking this up?:laugh:

I mean foxhunting?

Reversing an ivory ban?

Is she deliberately trying to lose?

[Withano]

She is fecking terrible.This should've been the easiest election campaign ever.I mean just look at the opposition.She didn't need to do anything.She could've sat at home and watched telly with her feet up and still won.
How is she fecking this up?:laugh:

I mean foxhunting?

Reversing an ivory ban?

Is she deliberately trying to lose?

She was just so comfortable in her lead, that she felt she could put forward anything and assumed that not enough people would switch to Labour or UKIP... She's half right tbf... for now.. I think more people are becoming savvy to her dark dystopian future though

[Northern Monkey]

She was just so comfortable in her lead, that she felt she could put forward anything and assumed that not enough people would switch to Labour or UKIP... She's half right tbf... for now.. I think more people are becoming savvy to her dark dystopian future though

This is what i thought too.Now i just think she doesn't think she's strong and stable enough for the job so she's throwing the towel in.

[joeysteele]

She REALLY doesn't at all!!!:laugh:

She's failed to deliver everything she's promised going back to before she was even PM..............and it's pretty much the same things she's been non-delivering on. They don't call her the Maybot for nothing!

All she does is repeat her weak little campaign catchphrases (in increasingly frustrated pitch) that don't hold up. She's to debating what UKip is to constructive politics!

Really glad you are posting more, I agree with all you say.
How people can admire her for all she stands for and also not see through her deceit astounds me.

[Denver]

Corbyn not wants to take safety away from the people so remind me who is bad

[DemolitionRed]

All Corbyn does is wildly promise the world to all those gullible voters desperate for a miraculous change in our economy. It is all talk with little actual realism involved. Short-term plans with no thought given to long-term effects - DEBT. He is unlikely to keep to them anyway once in because they are largely unworkable.

This is effectively still a vote on Brexit and the remainers scared of change and going it on our own are clutching at every chance, every straw and every 'promise' they can to effectively overturn Brexit. It really is quite painful to watch.

Whilst you chant on about how impressionable we all are. Have you bothered to educate yourself about fiscal spending or how government can climb out of economic recession?. Do you actually know the difference between fiscal deficit and debt? I somehow doubt it because if you did, you wouldn't of just spouted that pointless nonsense. Unfortunately though, I think a lot of people think/believe like you do. The only thing that will stop the Tories being kicked out of No 10 is ignorance.

[Kizzy]

She is fecking terrible.This should've been the easiest election campaign ever.I mean just look at the opposition.She didn't need to do anything.She could've sat at home and watched telly with her feet up and still won.
How is she fecking this up?:laugh:

I mean foxhunting?

Reversing an ivory ban?

Is she deliberately trying to lose?

No.. She's appealing for sponsors for her campaign, have you seen the spike in tory donations since the election was called? That's not from joe bloggs the roofer... that's essentially her lobbying, fund us and we'll look after your interests, not the proles!

[Northern Monkey]

No.. She's appealing for sponsors for her campaign, have you seen the spike in tory donations since the election was called? That's not from joe bloggs the roofer... that's essentially her lobbying, fund us and we'll look after your interests, not the proles!

Makes sense

[smudgie]

Whilst you chant on about how impressionable we all are. Have you bothered to educate yourself about fiscal spending or how government can climb out of economic recession?. Do you actually know the difference between fiscal deficit and debt? I somehow doubt it because if you did, you wouldn't of just spouted that pointless nonsense. Unfortunately though, I think a lot of people think/believe like you do. The only thing that will stop the Tories being kicked out of No 10 is ignorance.

Yeah, because we are all brain dead with no memories.......like this really worked last time.
Oh, and no, we don't forget the global recession either.
Facts fit to suit whatever agenda anyone wants them to fit...on both sides.
Most people who can be bothered to vote look around them at the facts that suit them and vote accordingly, not just based on the fiscal gain for themselves either.

[Kizzy]

All Corbyn does is wildly promise the world to all those gullible voters desperate for a miraculous change in our economy. It is all talk with little actual realism involved. Short-term plans with no thought given to long-term effects - DEBT. He is unlikely to keep to them anyway once in because they are largely unworkable.

This is effectively still a vote on Brexit and the remainers scared of change and going it on our own are clutching at every chance, every straw and every 'promise' they can to effectively overturn Brexit. It really is quite painful to watch.

Realism?.... Where are the costings, where is the analysis from the IFS?

How can you not be referred to as gullible when again like brexit all you have is blind faith to guide you?

'Prime minister what are your plans for social care?'.... ' Er, um, well a strong and stable government knows social care means social care, and I've been very clear on that'. :/

[Nicky91]

i'm sorry but can i say that i find Theresa May such a nice lady :hee:

i prefer her above miss angela merkel :(

[lostalex]

Theresa may is the best that Britain has to offer, and i agree she is not good.

but the rest are much worse.

[Cherie]

Realism?.... Where are the costings, where is the analysis from the IFS?

How can you not be referred to as gullible when again like brexit all you have is blind faith to guide you?

'Prime minister what are your plans for social care?'.... ' Er, um, well a strong and stable government knows social care means social care, and I've been very clear on that'. :/



:joker: it's worrying close to what she comes out with

[Kazanne]

Yeah, because we are all brain dead with no memories.......like this really worked last time.
Oh, and no, we don't forget the global recession either.
Facts fit to suit whatever agenda anyone wants them to fit...on both sides.
Most people who can be bothered to vote look around them at the facts that suit them and vote accordingly, not just based on the fiscal gain for themselves either.

Spot on smudgie, memories of a goldfish some folks,I would hate the job of PM,it's not cushy by any means , no one can please everyone,we should all work together to make our standard of living good,but some just seem to be out for what they can get for free:nono: and the name calling of opposite party leaders is quite childish,good post smudglet.:hee:

[Northern Monkey]

'Prime minister what are your plans for social care?'.... ' Er, um, well a strong and stable government knows social care means social care, and I've been very clear on that'. :/

That is a very good impersonation:laugh:

[Nicky91]

Theresa may is the best that Britain has to offer, and i agree she is not good.

but the rest are much worse.

yeah well maybe she just needs time, and yeah the rest are really worse choices for UK :(

[joeysteele]

She needs time alright,to clear off with her deceit and lies,her word meaning not a jot and with the extreme heartless policies she presides over and the truly vile things she supports too.
Time to clear off and hold those rotten cruel views but somewhere where she cannot implement them.

She's totally false,a liar and truly cruel individual who is not only not fit to be Prime Minister but also not fit for any major public office whatsoever.

[jaxie]

The problem with the left is that they don't have anything to offer either. The last Labour government left the country in a financial mess we've been paying for ever since. In the manifesto they make big promises that are far from realistic. They have a weak and ineffectual leader who makes May look a very positive option by comparison. His whole shadow cabinet walked out at one point because none of them had any faith in him. They throw around talk of 'New Labour as if it was some other party when many of those MPs are still there.

Politics in this country is a mess and there isn't a whole lot of choice to make that better. Though in my view the Tories have their act together far more than Labour do.

[Brillopad]

She needs time alright,to clear off with her deceit and lies,her word meaning not a jot and with the extreme heartless policies she presides over and the truly vile things she supports too.
Time to clear off and hold those rotten cruel views but somewhere where she cannot implement them.

She's totally false,a liar and truly cruel individual who is not only not fit to be Prime Minister but also not fit for any major public office whatsoever.

At least she hasn't hob-nobbed with the IRA which out-does anything you can accuse May of. Such behaviour is definely not fit for any major public office.

[Brillopad]

The manifesto is costed Brillo unlike the Cons in particular the breakfast club which didn't include costing for staffing and other overheads, schoolgirl error

It's not been costed by an independent source which is more relevant tbh. Trotting out figures without the back-up of independent scrutiny and opinon means little.

[joeysteele]

We'd always have been paying some way for the mess that came in 2007/8.
No matter what govt had been in.
Before that crash Labour had presided over an unprecedented 10 years of growth, began by John Major's govt in 1997.

What Labour failed to do was prepare for really bad times,however no one saw the banking crash coming.
The Cons between 2005 and 2010 criticised Labour for regulating the Banks too much,the Cons wanted the Banks regulated less.

The crash was coming whether Labour,Conservative or coalition were in govt.
It affected near all the major Nations.

Labour chose a financial path to deal with it,the Cons would have likely,as they did near all through the 80s,chosen lost working lives with very high unemployment again.
Human cost over financial cost.
Labour rightly or wrongly chose a financial cost.

It's not about short memories but simply being fair,no matter how good any govt may have been up to 2007/8,Labour or Conservative.
That banking issue and crash would still have hit extremely hard with hard consequences,no matter what path was chosen to help solve it.

[Kizzy]

It's not been costed by an independent source which is more relevant tbh. Trotting out figures without the back-up of independent scrutiny and opinon means little.

It hasn't been costed by anyone, how can an independent source cost it if they haven't been told where the money is coming from?... :/

[Brillopad]

It hasn't been costed by anyone, how can an independent source cost it if they haven't been told where the money is coming from?... :/

So people will be voting blindly, on pure faith. Unproven policies based on unproven figures. Rather you than me.

[Tom4784]

She's utterly woeful. Nothing but catchphrases and platitudes.

[Kizzy]

So people will be voting blindly, on pure faith. Unproven policies based on unproven figures. Rather you than me.

But still with more information than we have had from the current govt... on ANYTHING.

[Tom4784]

So people will be voting blindly, on pure faith. Unproven policies based on unproven figures. Rather you than me.

I'd say the blind vote would be a vote for the Tories given the amount of vague and straight up misinformation they've put forth thus far. How can May be believed on anything when she u-turns on everything?

We at least know what Corbyn's goals are and that, if they don't come to fruition then at least things won't change. We cannot say the same for Reverse Thatcher.

[Toy Soldier]

The problem with the left is that they don't have anything to offer either. The last Labour government left the country in a financial mess we've been paying for ever since.

Are we STILL on this, nearly 10 years later? It was a GLOBAL recession. Global!

G-L-O-B-A-L, world-wide, international, planetary, affecting every country.

Caused by irresponsibility in the financial and banking sectors.

GLOBALLY.

It wasn't "caused by Labour" ffs.

[Cherie]

It's not been costed by an independent source which is more relevant tbh. Trotting out figures without the back-up of independent scrutiny and opinon means little.

What are the Con policies though. Reduce corporation tax and take the home you paid for with taxed earnings seem to be the stand out ones

[Brillopad]

What are the Con policies though. Reduce corporation tax and take the home you paid for with taxed earnings seem to be the stand out ones

At the end of the day I guess whoever we vote for will be risky. Personally I feel safer with the tories than labour. At this moment in time I feel the election is less important than Brexit, if after four years they fail to deliver we can get them out.

My particular concerns are for Brexit which is more imminent and I feel May is more likely to get a better deal, one that deals with the issues that led to many voting for Brexit in the first place.

Corbyn didn't and doesn't want Brexit - he will simply negotiate a deal that suits the EU and him. Not much will change.

[Northern Monkey]

At the end of the day I guess whoever we vote for will be risky. Personally I feel safer with the tories than labour. At this moment in time I feel the election is less important than Brexit, if after four years they fail to deliver we can get them out.

My particular concerns are for Brexit which is more imminent and I feel May is more likely to get a better deal, one that deals with the issues that led to many voting for Brexit in the first place.

Corbyn didn't and doesn't want Brexit - he will simply negotiate a deal that suits the EU and him. Not much will change.

I think Corbyn himself actually does want Brexit.He's been Euroskeptic for all his career.
That's why remainers were pissed at him for his lacklustre campaigning for remain.It's the Blairites in the party who are mainly remainiacs.

[Mystic Mock]

All Corbyn does is wildly promise the world to all those gullible voters desperate for a miraculous change in our economy. It is all talk with little actual realism involved. Short-term plans with no thought given to long-term effects - DEBT. He is unlikely to keep to them anyway once in because they are largely unworkable.

This is effectively still a vote on Brexit and the remainers scared of change and going it on our own are clutching at every chance, every straw and every 'promise' they can to effectively overturn Brexit. It really is quite painful to watch.

You're probably right that Corbyn won't really do much, but wouldn't you rather that than May who's gonna create issues for the country with her policies?

[Mystic Mock]

The problem with the left is that they don't have anything to offer either. The last Labour government left the country in a financial mess we've been paying for ever since. In the manifesto they make big promises that are far from realistic. They have a weak and ineffectual leader who makes May look a very positive option by comparison. His whole shadow cabinet walked out at one point because none of them had any faith in him. They throw around talk of 'New Labour as if it was some other party when many of those MPs are still there.

Politics in this country is a mess and there isn't a whole lot of choice to make that better. Though in my view the Tories have their act together far more than Labour do.

BIB, the financial mess was the recession that George W Bush's party caused in America as their Banks went a-wall.

[DemolitionRed]

Are we STILL on this, nearly 10 years later? It was a GLOBAL recession. Global!

G-L-O-B-A-L, world-wide, international, planetary, affecting every country.

Caused by irresponsibility in the financial and banking sectors.

GLOBALLY.

It wasn't "caused by Labour" ffs.

Some people just don't want to get that TS; just as they don't want to believe Corbyn wasn't hobnobbing it with the IRA. They may not have a bullet for their gun but that doesn't stop them carrying that gun. If they've lost their ammunition, the gun can still intimidate and perhaps persuade people.

[jaxie]

We are in a US style situation where none of them are any good tbf, imagine Farron or Nutalll in coalition :shudder:

Oh my, what a horrid thought.

[Kizzy]

Please please... We can't keep voting them in :(

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/emergency-services-stress-suicide-austerity-government-cuts-police-theresa-may-a7759266.html

[jaxie]

Are we STILL on this, nearly 10 years later? It was a GLOBAL recession. Global!

G-L-O-B-A-L, world-wide, international, planetary, affecting every country.

Caused by irresponsibility in the financial and banking sectors.

GLOBALLY.

It wasn't "caused by Labour" ffs.

Of course, it was global, Labour overspent and made a mess of things but naturally something else is to bear all the blame. There couldn't possibly have been any mismanagement on their part. :shrug:
They went to war in Iraq but that was 'New Labour', all those still sitting have been wiped clean with the purity of the Jeremy Terroist Sympathies Corbyn waters since then. Ahem.

[Kazanne]

Some people just don't want to get that TS; just as they don't want to believe Corbyn wasn't hobnobbing it with the IRA. They may not have a bullet for their gun but that doesn't stop them carrying that gun. If they've lost their ammunition, the gun can still intimidate and perhaps persuade people.

So all these people are liars are they and the pics are false?
http://news.sky.com/story/labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-denies-supporting-or-meeting-ira-10894557

[Kizzy]

That isn't the IRA that's Gerry Adams, Corbyn may have supported causes such as Britain out of Ireland .. I don't see how that means he supports terrorism.

Conservatives met with the IRA too.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/oct/16/northernireland.thatcher

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1993/nov/28/northernireland

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/2601875.stm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/thatcher-started-ira-talks-in-1990-1305896.html

What is attending a march meant to prove?... The govt is throwing **** like a chimp and just praying some sticks!

[joeysteele]

That isn't the IRA that's Gerry Adams, Corbyn may have supported causes such as Britain out of Ireland .. I don't see how that means he supports terrorism.

Conservatives met with the IRA too.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/oct/16/northernireland.thatcher

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1993/nov/28/northernireland

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/2601875.stm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/thatcher-started-ira-talks-in-1990-1305896.html

What is attending a march meant to prove?... The govt is throwing **** like a chimp and just praying some sticks!

It doesn't at all Kizzy.
It suits the deceptive lying agenda of the Cons and their more ardent supporters though.

John Major started the peace process off as PM,Blair continued it.
Mo Mowlam being a strong figure in bringing things together too.

It is pathetic going over those troubles again, I don't believe any Westminster MP of any party supported the bombings and killings.

I just thank all powers that be had both Major Parties in govt.to see that bringing the 2 sides together was vital and started that process and saw it through to the end.
Which thankfully also has Northern Ireland a far better place now than then,that all sides were brought into the full process.

[joeysteele]

Are we STILL on this, nearly 10 years later? It was a GLOBAL recession. Global!

G-L-O-B-A-L, world-wide, international, planetary, affecting every country.

Caused by irresponsibility in the financial and banking sectors.

GLOBALLY.

It wasn't "caused by Labour" ffs.

Exactly right.

There's a lot of probable nonsense spouted as to blame but it was coming no matter who was in government across near all major Nations.

[smudgie]

So all these people are liars are they and the pics are false?
http://news.sky.com/story/labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-denies-supporting-or-meeting-ira-10894557

The wonderful Dianne Abbott has put her foot in it again, admitting this morning that he did meet IRA bombers, you couldn't ruddy make it up with this lot.
John McDonnell apologising from the bottom of his heart for the atrocious things he said about those 'heroic' IRA and the use of bombs and bullets.
Far from the two lying beggars trying to help the peace process it is widely known they were totally against anything but the unity of Ireland.
No amount of trying to cover it all up or spout the bull**** they find so easy to waffle on about it will convince the many who know better.
Shame it has come back to haunt them all these years later....those ruddy skeletons in cupboards eh:joker:

[joeysteele]

She's utterly woeful. Nothing but catchphrases and platitudes.

Yes she is.

More appropriate to quote your post too and get this thread back to its title.
Rather than awful Mrs May's massive failings against her own citizens,being covered with smokescreen and sidetracking against others.

[Mystic Mock]

So all these people are liars are they and the pics are false?
http://news.sky.com/story/labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-denies-supporting-or-meeting-ira-10894557

Sky News are incredibly biased towards the Tories though, I remember the Cameron vs Milliband Election.

[JTM45]

Really glad you are posting more, I agree with all you say.


Thanks Joey!
I'm usually more of an observer but these troubling times of mass ignorance and idiocy compell me to post just a bit more.:thumbs:

[DemolitionRed]

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised after he refused five times to directly condemn the IRA in an interview with Sky News.

The funny thing is, though, that the third paragraph of that story is this:

He said: “I condemn all the bombing by both the loyalists and the IRA.”

Apparently Jeremy Corbyn has been so widely criticised for refusing to condemn the IRA that people didn’t notice the bit where he specifically said that he condemned the IRA.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2017/05/no-jeremy-corbyn-did-not-refuse-condemn-ira-please-stop-saying-he-did

[joeysteele]

PLabour leader Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised after he refused five times to directly condemn the IRA in an interview with Sky News.

The funny thing is, though, that the third paragraph of that story is this:

He said: “I condemn all the bombing by both the loyalists and the IRA.”

Apparently Jeremy Corbyn has been so widely criticised for refusing to condemn the IRA that people didn’t notice the bit where he specifically said that he condemned the IRA.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2017/05/no-jeremy-corbyn-did-not-refuse-condemn-ira-please-stop-saying-he-did


Because they don't want to hear or see it.
The criticisms levelled endlessly against him are from sources for whom he could never do anything right as to them
Admittedly like myself towards May.
Then again I consider anyone who is a supporter of torturing innocent animals,no matter their party as truly awful,disgusting individuals,who warrant not a scrap of respect whatsoever.

They for sure should never have any power and cruel May certainly should not,ever.

[Kazanne]

The wonderful Dianne Abbott has put her foot in it again, admitting this morning that he did meet IRA bombers, you couldn't ruddy make it up with this lot.
John McDonnell apologising from the bottom of his heart for the atrocious things he said about those 'heroic' IRA and the use of bombs and bullets.
Far from the two lying beggars trying to help the peace process it is widely known they were totally against anything but the unity of Ireland.
No amount of trying to cover it all up or spout the bull**** they find so easy to waffle on about it will convince the many who know better.
Shame it has come back to haunt them all these years later....those ruddy skeletons in cupboards eh:joker:

Yes maybe they should get rid of her too,what a liability:joker:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/diane-abbott-suffers-new-car-crash-interview-trying-to-defend-jeremy-corbyn-over-ira-claims/ar-BBBzFlg?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=edgsp

[DemolitionRed]

Please please... We can't keep voting them in :(

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/emergency-services-stress-suicide-austerity-government-cuts-police-theresa-may-a7759266.html

The stark fact is that maybe 30,000 people died unnecessarily in a year because of austerity http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/nhs-cuts-excess-deaths-30000-study-research-royal-society-medicine-london-school-hygiene-martin-a7585001.html

[Kizzy]

Have a look how she feels about the electorate, and their rights at work...

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-tim-farron-voted-workers-rights/

[DemolitionRed]

Have a look how she feels about the electorate, and their rights at work...

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-tim-farron-voted-workers-rights/

No surprise their Kizzy.

Theresa May doesn't believe in workers rights
Jeremy Corbyn does believe in workers rights
and Tim Farron is so unsure that half the time he doesn't vote.

[DemolitionRed]

Times will change. When the kids grow up and realize that they can never have what their parents and grandparents have now, they won't stand for it.

[Kizzy]

They won't stand for it now, my daughter is part of the 'conned' generation that found tuition fees tripled just as she applied, she will never forgive that.

[RichardG]

none of the candidates are very good, they all seem weak as 'leaders'

[Alf]

She's a Blairite.

[DemolitionRed]

She's a Blairite.

She is indeed.

[Denver]

I hope she is knighted in the Queens birthday honours

[JTM45]

I hope she is knighted in the Queens birthday honours

If she gets anywhere near that sword then the best outcome would be a sideways slip from her shoulder towards her neck! :laugh:

Unfortunately though i don't think the Queen, at her age, has the power to slice through all the metal and wires that make up the Maybot's neck joint. Hopefully she could get the blade far enough in to cause a massive short-circuit resulting in her head section launching itself skyward like a roman candle. :cheer2:

'Knighted' my arse!
It would be the worse honors decision since they fixed it for Jimmy Saville to get his (''and you and you and you-oo-ooh''). :joker:

Awful bloody excuse for a woman!

[Toy Soldier]

cause a massive short-circuit resulting in her head section launching itself skyward like a roman candle. :cheer2:

http://static.tv2.no/s/files/2017/03/08/theresamay.gif

[Kizzy]

The conservative manifesto has been relaunched with an onus on Domestic violence against children... While I of course support any advances in this area why was it shoe horned in just over a week before polling?

It seem to me it's simply a last ditch attempt to pull at the nations heart strings, she is also telling lie after lie about how much they have done in this area... Which is total rubbish, there has been cut after cut to domestic violence and closures of refuges how can she make statements like this?...

'Ms May said: "The last seven years of Conservative government have delivered real steps towards tackling domestic violence - we are punishing more perpetrators, and helping more victims get refuge and justice.'

It is getting to the point where she will say just about anything with no evidence, stats or costings to back her claims. But using such a vulnerable group simply as a political pawn? Disgusting.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-relaunch-conservative-election-campaign-fears-labour-could-take-lead-opinion-polls-a7761136.html

[Kizzy]

Bit quiet on this G7 too isn't she?... Did she spend the whole trip holding trumps hand or what?...

[Toy Soldier]

Bit quiet on this G7 too isn't she?... Did she spend the whole trip holding trumps hand or what?...

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/34/f7/13/34f71325f8f95ffa852d63401426d3b4.jpg

[DemolitionRed]

Of course, it was global, Labour overspent and made a mess of things but naturally something else is to bear all the blame. There couldn't possibly have been any mismanagement on their part. :shrug:
They went to war in Iraq but that was 'New Labour', all those still sitting have been wiped clean with the purity of the Jeremy Terroist Sympathies Corbyn waters since then. Ahem.

I couldn't give a flying **** about slating Blair or Brown because they were made from the same mould as the present Tory government. There were only two options after the world crash... sell the gold and prop up the banks or drop neoliberal politics forever and move away from a market run government.

We can't argue about how much Brown spent without knowing and understanding what led us up to the financial crisis. There was a housing bubble in the U.S. The financial industry was de-regulated and so the housing bubble burst and led to the worst financial crisis since the crash of 29 and that financial crisis quickly made its way across the Atlantic.

What Brown did was no different to what our present neoliberal government would of done or will do if it happens again... and it will happen again. When we get a world crash, everyone's deficit sours. The Labour deficit wasn't caused by overspending, it was caused by the economic crash being put into the hands of a neoliberal government.

[Livia]

People who don't support the Tories are not going to think Theresa May is very good, and all those who feel the same will support them. Meanwhile, the alternative is terrorist-appeasing Corbyn. If Corbyn had been in power in the 1930s I can imagine him returning from Germany waving a piece of paper and talking about peace in our time.

You support Hamas, I don't support you.

[Livia]

And another thing.... The further we get away from Labour's total mismanagement of the economy when they were in, the more it can be blamed on the global crash. People have such short memories.

[smudgie]

People who don't support the Tories are not going to think Theresa May is very good, and all those who feel the same will support them. Meanwhile, the alternative is terrorist-appeasing Corbyn. If Corbyn had been in power in the 1930s I can imagine him returning from Germany waving a piece of paper and talking about peace in our time.

You support Hamas, I don't support you.

My late brother-in-law served in Northern Ireland, no way on earth I could give a vote to IRA supporters.

[Livia]

My late brother-in-law served in Northern Ireland, no way on earth I could give a vote to IRA supporters.

My Dad too... People have such short memories.

[Kazanne]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4546912/Corbyn-shameless-apologist-world-s-men-evil.html?ito=social-facebook

People keep excusing all this,just why ?

[Livia]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4546912/Corbyn-shameless-apologist-world-s-men-evil.html?ito=social-facebook

People keep excusing all this,just why ?

People will dismiss this because it's not in the right newspaper... while posting stuff from The Canary as a reliable news source.

If Corbyn ever gets in we're screwed.

[Kazanne]

People will dismiss this because it's not in the right newspaper... while posting stuff from The Canary as a reliable news source.

If Corbyn ever gets in we're screwed.

Well there is a video in that too Livia or is that guy a mirage?:laugh: Yes well and truly screwed.Plus the story has been alluded to in various media forms.

[Livia]

Well there is a video in that too Livia or is that guy a mirage?:laugh: Yes well and truly screwed.Plus the story has been alluded to in various media forms.

I have faith in the wisdom of crowds. The British people will never vote for a terrorist sympathiser.

[Kazanne]

I have faith in the wisdom of crowds. The British people will never vote for a terrorist sympathiser.

Fingers crossed Livia.:wavey:

[RichardG]

People will dismiss this because it's not in the right newspaper... while posting stuff from The Canary as a reliable news source.

If Corbyn ever gets in we're screwed.

:laugh:

i wish i could say 'this election can't come soon enough' but once it's over the bickering and arguments will just continue on brexit instead. i suspect that myself and many others might lose interest in politics altogether, the whole process has become so miserable over the past few years, i'm really fed up with it.

[Smithy]

sTROnG aND StabLE

[joeysteele]

People who don't support the Tories are not going to think Theresa May is very good, and all those who feel the same will support them. Meanwhile, the alternative is terrorist-appeasing Corbyn. If Corbyn had been in power in the 1930s I can imagine him returning from Germany waving a piece of paper and talking about peace in our time.

You support Hamas, I don't support you.

I think only a Conservative politician has done that,Neville Chamberlain.
Very cheap shot from you but up to now history only records a Conservative leader being so fooled as to that one.

[jaxie]

And another thing.... The further we get away from Labour's total mismanagement of the economy when they were in, the more it can be blamed on the global crash. People have such short memories.

Yup.

[jaxie]

People will dismiss this because it's not in the right newspaper... while posting stuff from The Canary as a reliable news source.

If Corbyn ever gets in we're screwed.

You noticed that too? :laugh:

[LukeB]

strong and stable

http://i.imgur.com/xVFr5ar.png

[Kazanne]

strong and stable

http://i.imgur.com/xVFr5ar.png

Good on her for being strong enough to change her mind:hehe:

[JTM45]

People will dismiss this because it's not in the right newspaper... while posting stuff from The Canary as a reliable news source.


It's not a case of it not being in 'the right' newspaper..........it's not in a 'newspaper' at all. It's the ****ing Mail, which is basically like the Sun for people who know their alphabet and can count to ten (if they have all of their digits of course). :laugh:

[Livia]

:laugh:

i wish i could say 'this election can't come soon enough' but once it's over the bickering and arguments will just continue on brexit instead. i suspect that myself and many others might lose interest in politics altogether, the whole process has become so miserable over the past few years, i'm really fed up with it.

Can't come soon enough for me, Richard.

It's not a case of it not being in 'the right' newspaper..........it's not in a 'newspaper' at all. It's the ****ing Mail, which is basically like the Sun for people who know their alphabet and can count to ten (if they have all of their digits of course). :laugh:

No word about quotes from The Canary though, right?

I think only a Conservative politician has done that,Neville Chamberlain.
Very cheap shot from you but up to now history only records a Conservative leader being so fooled as to that one.

Yes, Neville Chamberlaine was a misguided idiot and a Tory. Corbyn is a misguided idiot and he's Labour. I don't see any cheap shot, I see a valid analogy.

[joeysteele]

Can't come soon enough for me, Richard.



No word about quotes from The Canary though, right?



Yes, Neville Chamberlaine was a misguided idiot and a Tory. Corbyn is a misguided idiot and he's Labour. I don't see any cheap shot, I see a valid analogy.

Except in that, it's your Conservative party that had a leader who has already done in history what you would only suppose Corbyn would.
With no base to that view,other than personal prejudice against the man.

How could you say for sure Corbyn or any other Labour/other Party leader would have rolled over in the 30s.

[Kizzy]

People will dismiss this because it's not in the right newspaper... while posting stuff from The Canary as a reliable news source.

If Corbyn ever gets in we're screwed.

I suppose this is directed at me as the only member who quotes from the canary... What wave I quoted that you have found unreliable?

[Brother Leon]

People who don't support the Tories are not going to think Theresa May is very good, and all those who feel the same will support them. Meanwhile, the alternative is terrorist-appeasing Corbyn. If Corbyn had been in power in the 1930s I can imagine him returning from Germany waving a piece of paper and talking about peace in our time.

You support Hamas, I don't support you.

Our country is in Business with Saudi Arabia And we can't act like our constant support of Israel and their wars is all above board too. We really aren't in a position to look down at someone else's evil friends.

FYI. I'm not saying those are worse than Hamas or the IRA, but the point still stands(well Saudi is).

[joeysteele]

Our country is in Business with Saudi Arabia. We really aren't in a position to look down at someone else's terrorist friends.

Ah but that'll be seen as okay though because at present it's a Conservative govt doing so.
Really good point however Brother Leon.

[Beso]

Ah but that'll be seen as okay though because at present it's a Conservative govt doing so.
Really good point however Brother Leon.

Have we ever not been in business with the suadis the last 50 yrs?

[Kizzy]

People who don't support the Tories are not going to think Theresa May is very good, and all those who feel the same will support them. Meanwhile, the alternative is terrorist-appeasing Corbyn. If Corbyn had been in power in the 1930s I can imagine him returning from Germany waving a piece of paper and talking about peace in our time.

You support Hamas, I don't support you.

Have you forgotten the several times the tories met with the IRA on many occasions over the years?

[Beso]

Have you forgotten the several times the tories met with the IRA on many occasions over the years?

Link or photos please...or do we just have to believe corbyn?

[smudgie]

Link or photos please...or do we just have to believe corbyn?

Tories met for peace talks.
In December 1993 PM John Major issued the joint declaration of peace ( commonly known as The Downing Street declaration).
Whereas Corbyn and his cronies were supporting the IRA, rather than any interest in peace, they were against it, wanting the unification of Ireland.
As the IRA were bombing innocent people in England as well as Northern Ireland I would say that it was quite traitorous.

[joeysteele]

Have we ever not been in business with the suadis the last 50 yrs?

I did say presently it's a Conservative govt doing so.
Nowhere did I say we hadn't been doing business over the decades.

I'd rather no UK govt did.

[joeysteele]

Have you forgotten the several times the tories met with the IRA on many occasions over the years?

Oh Kizzy, now being Cons,that would be legitimate all through no matter a good or bad reason,you should know that.

It's only wrong when Labour politicians do so and it also seems its known even what a Labour politician talked about as some people will state it was only for negative reasons.

If the Cons talk to dubious organisations or dubious leaders that has to be seen as only positive. Labour only have a bad or negative agenda.

Good grief, it gets more ridiculous by the minute.
I don't know why you waste your time trying to reason
I've given up totally as to that myself..
Good luck though,I admire your determination.

[Brillopad]

Oh Kizzy, now being Cons,that would be legitimate all through no matter a good or bad reason,you should know that.

It's only wrong when Labour politicians do so and it also seems its known even what a Labour politician talked about as some people will state it was only for negative reasons.

If the Cons talk to dubious organisations or dubious leaders that has to be seen as only positive. Labour only have a bad or negative agenda.

Good grief, it gets more ridiculous by the minute.
I don't know why you waste your time trying to reason
I've given up totally as to that myself..
Good luck though,I admire your determination.

Met with and support are two different things. Corbyn has often demonstrated support of various terrorist groups which is a whole new ball game.

[Kizzy]

'Pakistan-born British citizen Butt, 27, had previously appeared in a Channel 4 documentary called The Jihadi Next Door and was known to police and MI5.'


What other evidence do they need to monitor someone? :/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-attack-latest-molotov-cocktails-van-police-find-news-updates-a7774516.html

[Kizzy]

Officer numbers

'According to the most recent official Home Office figures, the total police officer workforce for England and Wales in September 2016 was 122,859. (Policing in Scotland is devolved and Northern Ireland has special arrangements).

In September 2010, the year the Coalition took power, the figure was 141,850.'

Firearms officers,

'Separate Home Office data shows there were 5,639 Authorised Firearms Officers (AFOs) in March 2016, down from 6,976 in March 2010.

That's a fall of 1,337, or 19 per cent'


Spending,

'according to the official Treasury data, the Home Office's overall budget fell from £12.6bn in 2011-12 to £10.9bn in 2015-16.

This represents a real terms cut of 18 per cent.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/london-attack-bridge-theresa-may-police-cuts-conservative-terror-terrorism-general-election-a7773746.html

[Kizzy]

Is this Theresa May actually admitting she is funding terrorism?

'May says 'tough conversations' are required with Saudi Arabia over funding of extremists

In an interview with Sky News, Theresa May was asked whether she would be willing to be a “difficult woman” in terms of challenging Saudi Arabia over its funding for extremists. She replied:

Tough conversations are required over this whole issue of financing of the terrorists and the financing of extremism ... We need to have tough conversations with whoever we need to have those conversations with.'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/jun/06/general-election-2017-security-farron-knee-jerk-response-politics-live#comment-99828597

[Tom4784]

Theresa May was a failure as the Home Secretary and she is failing as PM. Both the Manchester and one of the London terrorists were known as a potential threat by the authorities and it's a mix of cuts to public services and the fact that anti-terrorism organisations and hotlines aren't working (probably also due to a lack of funding).

[Brillopad]

Theresa May was a failure as the Home Secretary and she is failing as PM. Both the Manchester and one of the London terrorists were known as a potential threat by the authorities and it's a mix of cuts to public services and the fact that anti-terrorism organisations and hotlines aren't working (probably also due to a lack of funding).

It's also the fault of the terrorists! Lets not forget that small crucial point!

[Tom4784]

It's also the fault of the terrorists! Lets not forget that small crucial point!

I didn't think such an obvious thing needed to be but thank you for stating the bleeding ****ing obvious?

Quite an underhanded tactic to try to make me look like I'm shifting blame away from the terrorists. Quite vile.

[Kazanne]

It's also the fault of the terrorists! Lets not forget that small crucial point!

It's been said today,no matter how many police are on hand they would have been no quicker than the response to the last London attack,it's not always about numbers but efficiency,and I do think we need to get tougher on these people,THEY are the ones who want to kill,lock them up,shoot them,or deport.

[Brillopad]

I didn't think such an obvious thing needed to be but thank you for stating the bleeding ****ing obvious?

Quite an underhanded tactic to try to make me look like I'm shifting blame away from the terrorists. Quite vile.

Well it does seem many are trying to blame everyone but those most at fault. No one is denying other factors may contribute but at the end of the day the monsters here are the terrorists themselves.

[Kizzy]

Well it does seem many are trying to blame everyone but those most at fault. No one is denying other factors may contribute but at the end of the day the monsters here are the terrorists themselves.

Of course they aren't... :/ Nobody has said or even implied that.

[Tom4784]

Well it does seem many are trying to blame everyone but those most at fault. No one is denying other factors may contribute but at the end of the day the monsters here are the terrorists themselves.

Well no, if you actually read what has been said, people aren't saying that it isn't the terrorists' fault, it is their fault but underfunding and a lack of action when it comes to known individuals enabled these attacks to happen instead of being prevented.

That is completely obvious to anyone and you know that but you wanted to 'subtly' make out that anyone critiscing the lack of funding are basically terrorist sympathisers.

[Vicky.]

Of course she is useless. her standing saying 'we are too tolerant of extremism' was quite funny tbh as its her admitting her government, and specifically herself (even as home secretary, this was kinda her area...) are bad at their jobs. Infact I read what was supposed to be a satirical article yesterday that actually is 100% the truth..and will explain my post for me rather than me writing pretty much the same thing out again

http://newsthump.com/2017/06/05/uk-hasnt-done-enough-to-tackle-terrorism-says-woman-whose-job-it-was-to-tackle-terrorism/

The UK hasn’t done enough to tackle terrorist extremists in the UK, according to the woman responsible for doing just that for the last six years.

Prime Minister Theresa May took the unprecedented step of attacking her own track record in tackling extremism when talking the reporters today.

She told the press, “The UK has not done enough to defeat extremism, and I should know because it was very specifically my job.

“When I say we haven’t done enough, I can be sure I’m correct in that assessment because everything we did for the last six years in trying to tackle extremism went across my desk as Home Secretary, and was specifically approved by me.

“So when I say we haven’t done enough, I am basically saying I was a bit **** at my job for quite a number of years.

“That’s how confident I am about this election; I can openly admit I did a bad job, but you lot will still vote for me because Jeremy Corbyn looks a bit awkward in a suit.

“Wonderful, isn’t it?”

I think the Tories will keep her until the Brexit deal and then oust her. Everyone knows that we are going to get a bad deal and its going to cost a bunch of money that apparently we don't have (remember, no unicorns farting bank notes, yadayada yada), the Tories don't really want that on their record so they let her sort it all..then there will 100% be a leadership challenge to distance the Tory party from the cluster**** that Brexit will be. They can then always blame Cameron for the vote, and May for '****ing up negotiations'

[Vicky.]

People who don't support the Tories are not going to think Theresa May is very good, and all those who feel the same will support them. Meanwhile, the alternative is terrorist-appeasing Corbyn. If Corbyn had been in power in the 1930s I can imagine him returning from Germany waving a piece of paper and talking about peace in our time.

You support Hamas, I don't support you.

I don't support the Tories but praised Cameron on numerous occasions :shrug:

Not everyone has to believe that whichever party they support is absolutely perfect and never gets anything wrong whilst the ones they do not support get nothing right EVER!!!!1111!!!!

But honestly, May is NOT very good. She was bad as home secretary and shes even worse as PM. I don't blame her for being bad at being PM. If she had taken it in her own time she could maybe have been much better, but she was kind of forced into it by Camerons cowardice.

[joeysteele]

It's been said today,no matter how many police are on hand they would have been no quicker than the response to the last London attack,it's not always about numbers but efficiency,and I do think we need to get tougher on these people,THEY are the ones who want to kill,lock them up,shoot them,or deport.

It is in part about numbers and the Police say they need more.
What with reduced numbers could be the situation if several areas of London or across the UK were hit at the same time.

Do you still think much greater numbers would not be an advantage to have in that scenario. Or can you guarantee such attacks can only happen at one place at a time.

[Vicky.]

It's been said today,no matter how many police are on hand they would have been no quicker than the response to the last London attack,it's not always about numbers but efficiency,and I do think we need to get tougher on these people,THEY are the ones who want to kill,lock them up,shoot them,or deport.

No. London is heavily policed despite cuts. I don't think more police would have made much difference. And the response time was bloody impressive. 8 minutes from call to having them down is fantastic.

If the next attack is in Durham for example. The response time would be nowhere near as impressive. Not even sure if we have an armed unit up here but when someone was stabbed not long ago, it took the normal police 20 bloody minutes to show up. By which time the person obviously had got away. Imagine how much carnage there would have been if it had taken police even half of that just to show up

People keep saying the chief of Met Police did a TV interview claiming that the police have everything they need to deal with attacks. Do you really think someone like that would go on TV and tell the country that they don't?

Cuts do make a difference. I am aghast to see people actually trying to make out cuts to the police force of 20k is irrelevant to the countries safety.

[Vicky.]

Is this Theresa May actually admitting she is funding terrorism?

'May says 'tough conversations' are required with Saudi Arabia over funding of extremists

In an interview with Sky News, Theresa May was asked whether she would be willing to be a “difficult woman” in terms of challenging Saudi Arabia over its funding for extremists. She replied:

Tough conversations are required over this whole issue of financing of the terrorists and the financing of extremism ... We need to have tough conversations with whoever we need to have those conversations with.'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/jun/06/general-election-2017-security-farron-knee-jerk-response-politics-live#comment-99828597
Really?! She has now admitted that Corbyn was correct? He said this days and days ago...back when her response to the London attack was 'tightening internet regulations' (which was conveniently, in the Tory manifesto and something May has wanted to do for YEARS) as if ISIS and their ilk communicate on your average household connection.

She did say tough conversations were to be had IIRC. But did not say with the Saudis. I am actually really surprised that she has said this and been honest that our arms deals with the Saudis are basically, funding terrorism instead of trying to cover it up like the former plan obviously was. Good on her.

[DemolitionRed]

Last month, Prime Minister Theresa May was in Saudi Arabia, selling more of the £3 billion worth of British arms which the Saudis have used against Yemen. Based in control rooms in Riyadh, British military advisers assist the Saudi bombing raids, which have killed more than 10,000 civilians. There are now clear signs of famine. A Yemeni child dies every 10 minutes from preventable disease, says Unicef.

The Manchester atrocity on 22 May was the product of such unrelenting state violence in faraway places, much of it British sponsored. The lives and names of the victims are almost never known to us.

The "smoking gun" is that when Theresa May was Home Secretary, LIFG jihadists were allowed to travel unhindered across Europe and encouraged to engage in "battle": first to remove Mu'ammar Gadaffi in Libya, then to join al-Qaida affiliated groups in Syria.

Last year, the FBI reportedly placed Abedi (The Manchester bomber) on a "terrorist watch list" and warned MI5 that his group was looking for a "political target" in Britain. Why wasn't he apprehended and the network around him prevented from planning and executing the atrocity on 22 May?

Here is the whole article http://johnpilger.com/articles/terror-in-britain-what-did-the-prime-minister-know

[DemolitionRed]

As for underfunding the very things that could protect us, the Tories did this last year.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/westminster-council-agrees-controversial-move-to-turn-off-entire-network-of-cctv-cameras-a3265156.html

[Beso]

As for underfunding the very things that could protect us, the Tories did this last year.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/westminster-council-agrees-controversial-move-to-turn-off-entire-network-of-cctv-cameras-a3265156.html

It was decided to switch off after a meeting with the mayor.

[Kazanne]

It was decided to switch off after a meeting with the mayor.

Wasn't the major of London a lawyer for the 9/11 terrorists or something similar?

[Alf]

Wasn't the major of London a lawyer for the 9/11 terrorists or something similar?Yep

[Beso]

Wasn't the major of London a lawyer for the 9/11 terrorists or something similar?

Who, sadiq kahnt?

[Kazanne]

Who, sadiq kahnt?

No the one now ,cant remember his name,hang on got it Sadiq Khan,LOL, sorry just seen yours the surname put me off

[DemolitionRed]

It was decided to switch off after a meeting with the mayor.

Why the hell would anyone suggest cutting off CCTV's in Westminster of all places?

[DemolitionRed]

How could he be a lawyer for dead people? Was there one that got away and if so, was Sadiq Kahnt practising law in America?

[Vicky.]

Why the hell would anyone suggest cutting off CCTV's in Westminster of all places?

Fairly certain this did not come from Khan. He seems pretty balanced and intelligent.

Mind I guess, even intelligent people have their stupid moments.

Whoevers idea it was, thats ****ing crazy.

[Beso]

Why the hell would anyone suggest cutting off CCTV's in Westminster of all places?

If you bothered to digest your own article you will find the answer....

[Beso]

No the one now ,cant remember his name,hang on got it Sadiq Khan,LOL, sorry just seen yours the surname put me off

Wow, just wow!

[DemolitionRed]

If you bothered to digest your own article you will find the answer....

Cut out the ****ing sarcasm because its childish. I did read the article and I don't except the excuses.

[Kazanne]

Wow, just wow!

LOL,I thought you named a different one ,but yes seen some links,he was indeed a lawyer for Zacarias Moussaoui

[Beso]

Cut out the ****ing sarcasm because its childish. I did read the article and I don't except the excuses.

https://www.westminster.gov.uk/westminster-city-council-cabinet-decision-cctv


Read that...just to add.


THE CAMERAS WEREN'T EVEN SWITCHED OFF:joker:

[Beso]

LOL,I thought you named a different one ,but yes seen some links,he was indeed a lawyer for Zacarias Moussaoui

My god, they love an underdog.

[DemolitionRed]

https://www.westminster.gov.uk/westminster-city-council-cabinet-decision-cctv


Read that...just to add.


THE CAMERAS WEREN'T EVEN SWITCHED OFF:joker:

Only because of a massive petition.

[Beso]

Only because of a massive petition.

Dont be saying what the tories did, when they didn't do it, please.

[Vicky.]

Cut out the ****ing sarcasm because its childish. I did read the article and I don't except the excuses.

Yeah, to save 1m. Mental. Wouldn't even really save that anyway

Terror and policing expert David Videcette told the Standard earlier this month: "It will be a huge, huge loss to police.

"All council CCTV networks are a massive resource to police, have a massive impact on bringing down anti-social behaviour, crime, drug dealing, they are very, very valuable to police.

"It's crazy - the money the council will spend on putting things right, vandalism, theft from local authority premises, it will pay for itself twice over.

"And there's a risk if there was a terrorist attack and we had to track a terrorist's movements.”

Luckily the terrorists didn't need tracked, but thats just that...luck

Are council budgets really cut THAT much that they would be desperately scrabbling to save 1m somewhere?! I know our council is struggling. I did think it would be different in the South, an d certainly in London :/



parmnion - where on earth are you finding that this was the advice of the Mayor? :suspect:

Bahhh

“We will keep talking and in the past week have had very constructive discussions with the Mayor, the Metropolitan Police and Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime.

I read your post wrong. Yes, it seems the Mayor was spoken to about it. Doesn't say if he supported the switchoff (I doubt it) nor if the met did (also doubt)

[Vicky.]

What is 'a pan London solution'?! Jesus christ I am not udnerstanding a lot today

[Beso]

Yeah, to save 1m. Mental. Wouldn't even really save that anyway



Luckily the terrorists didn't need tracked, but thats just that...luck

Are council budgets really cut THAT much that they would be desperately scrabbling to save 1m somewhere?! I know our council is struggling. I did think it would be different in the South, an d certainly in London :/



parmnion - where on earth are you finding that this was the advice of the Mayor? :suspect:

Bahhh



I read your post wrong. Yes, it seems the Mayor was spoken to about it. Doesn't say if he supported the switchoff (I doubt it) nor if the met did (also doubt)

In fairness it was his last minute intervention the day before they were due to be switched off that stopped them from being shut down.


Mind, he could have done it right at the begining and stopped all the wasted free meals and meetings.

[Beso]

What is 'a pan London solution'?! Jesus christ I am not udnerstanding a lot today

A cctv network that links the london boroughs...an upgrade basically..

[Vicky.]

A cctv network that links the london boroughs...an upgrade basically..

Oh right. Well that sounds a good idea tbh....

Not sure whos ideas I am backing anymore so instead
-It is ridiculous to turn off cctv simply to save 1m
-If councils are actually stretched enough to need to take measures like this, then thats a disgrace
-I did not know that councils in the South were being hit as badly as the ones up here where we no longer have streetlights due to budget cuts :(
-A 'pan London' sounds a decent idea

[Kizzy]

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[Beso]

She has just made one of the best speeches on sky news I have ever heard.

[DemolitionRed]

Her speech was dreadful but you clearly enjoy her authoritarian appeal parmnion. She's far from strong and stable... more like weak and vulnerable.

Unfortunately the Tories will likely win this election but I dread to think what the back benchers will do to this bloviator who's treated this entire campaign like she's a one man band.

[Kazanne]

Her speech was dreadful but you clearly enjoy her authoritarian appeal parmnion. She's far from strong and stable... more like weak and vulnerable.

Unfortunately the Tories will likely win this election but I dread to think what the back benchers will do to this bloviator who's treated this entire campaign like she's a one man band.

Lets face it ,of course you would say that :laugh::laugh:

[Brillopad]

Cut out the ****ing sarcasm because its childish. I did read the article and I don't except the excuses.

It's only childish when it comes from those with different views then, as you are usually in agreement with the most sarcastic person on here. When it suits!

[Beso]

Her speech was dreadful but you clearly enjoy her authoritarian appeal parmnion. She's far from strong and stable... more like weak and vulnerable.

Unfortunately the Tories will likely win this election but I dread to think what the back benchers will do to this bloviator who's treated this entire campaign like she's a one man band.

Yes. I knew it. I knew thats why she sent people out to question time and stuff..its cause shes a one man band...okay.:crazy:

[Toy Soldier]

Theresa May is an abysmal Public speaker. Seriously. Politics and bias completely out of the equation; her speeches sound robotic and scripted, like she's reading off a sheet of paper. Now, I would add that I don't think the ability to give a flawless speech is necessarily vital to the job of being PM, but please... Let's not start pretending that May is one of history's great orators. She'd be getting a B for high school public speaking, if the teacher was feeling lenient.

[Beso]

Theresa May is an abysmal Public speaker. Seriously. Politics and bias completely out of the equation; her speeches sound robotic and scripted, like she's reading off a sheet of paper. Now, I would add that I don't think the ability to give a flawless speech is necessarily vital to the job of being PM, but please... Let's not start pretending that May is one of history's great orators. She'd be getting a B for high school public speaking, if the teacher was feeling lenient.


Its more about the content for me.

[joeysteele]

Theresa May is an abysmal Public speaker. Seriously. Politics and bias completely out of the equation; her speeches sound robotic and scripted, like she's reading off a sheet of paper. Now, I would add that I don't think the ability to give a flawless speech is necessarily vital to the job of being PM, but please... Let's not start pretending that May is one of history's great orators. She'd be getting a B for high school public speaking, if the teacher was feeling lenient.

I agree with all that.

I watch her but all I see is someone who has mastered the art of deceit.
She is the complete liar.

Also divisive and totally hard-hearted.
None of the things any decent PM should be.

I have never since becoming interested in politics ever had an ounce of respect for her.
I consider her bordering on being.homohobic,she was an abysmal Home Secretary.
She will never admit her errors.
Finally the things she stand for and the truly abhorrent things she supports tells me all I need to know about this liar.

For me,no doubt at all,the worst and most undeserving person to hold the office of Prime Minister.
I won't add PM of the UK because I really do think if she gets an increased majority on Thursday,she will lead to the break up of the UK too.

I honestly have never had,do not and never will have time or liking for Theresa May.
I do not believe anything she says can be trusted, her word having no meaning whatsoever.

[Kazanne]

Its more about the content for me.

yes,as it should be:wavey:

[Tom4784]

Its more about the content for me.

What content?

[Beso]

What content?

All of it.

[King Gizzard]

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Absolutely repugnant woman

[Stu]

I just can't fathom how there are people out there so stupid, that they could watch all of May's interviews, backtracking, contradictions, and slithering over the last few weeks and still consider voting for her.

[King Gizzard]

It boggles the mind Stuart

[MTVN]

Because of the alternative

[Kizzy]

Because of the alternative

Not sure why socialism terrifies you so much.

[MTVN]

It doesn't terrify me but I do disagree with it. There are many Socialists today and throughout history who I like and respect.. Corbyn is not one of them

[Toy Soldier]

Its more about the content for me.

Would that be the content two weeks ago, a week ago, three days ago or today? I can't keep up with her, she changes her "opinions" based on whichever way she feels the wind is blowing.

[joeysteele]

I just can't fathom how there are people out there so stupid, that they could watch all of May's interviews, backtracking, contradictions, and slithering over the last few weeks and still consider voting for her.

Absolutely, it's a mystery totally to me.

[Scarlett.]

Well this is just the icing on the cake, this is from her official Twitter...

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She's deranged

[Anaesthesia]

Shadow Attorney General Baroness Chakrabarti said the PM had "been banging on about her dislike for human rights for a very long time".

(BBC News)

[smudgie]

Well this is just the icing on the cake, this is from her official Twitter...

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She's deranged

She is right.
How many times did it take to get Hook hands out of the country because of his human rights.
Bring on the Brexit.

[MTVN]

Shadow Attorney General Baroness Chakrabarti said the PM had "been banging on about her dislike for human rights for a very long time".

(BBC News)

Shami Chakrabarti is a joke and her position is a joke

[Beso]

Would that be the content two weeks ago, a week ago, three days ago or today? I can't keep up with her, she changes her "opinions" based on whichever way she feels the wind is blowing.

The content in her latest speech obviously.

[Anaesthesia]

But it won't only be terrorists that will be affected if we are no longer signatory to a human rights charter. Please don't let your rights be signed away.

[Scarlett.]

Terrorists would love for us to all lose our human rights, it means they'd have succeeded.

[smudgie]

Terrorists would love for us to all lose our human rights, it means they'd have succeeded.

We won't lose them all.
We can add some to them.
Like deporting terrorist scum.

[joeysteele]

Terrorists would love for us to all lose our human rights, it means they'd have succeeded.

They would.
One of,if not the last person I would want or trust reforming or planning human rights,would be Mrs May.

She's way too volatile and extreme.

[DemolitionRed]

I agree Joey. The Tories need to start looking at their own crime scene. Lets start with Cameron allowing Abu Qatada into the UK and granting him asylum. Meanwhile May blames the ECHR for the Qatada affair!!

[Kazanne]

We won't lose them all.
We can add some to them.
Like deporting terrorist scum.

Yep,she has as much said that smudgie,but people just don't want to hear that bit as it doesn't suit.

[smudgie]

Yep,she has as much said that smudgie,but people just don't want to hear that bit as it doesn't suit.

Aye, at least she will say things she knows not everyone will like, unlike some that will promise the moon as a football if it suits.:laugh:

[bots]

We do still have a British law system you know, that is still effective and is in most cases in line or more sympathetic of peoples human rights than those implemented via Europe.

May is simply saying that they won't have their hands tied by Europe in tackling the terrorism issue, it is not removing the rights people have afforded to them by UK law.

[Brillopad]

We do still have a British law system you know, that is still effective and is in most cases in line or more sympathetic of peoples human rights than those implemented via Europe.

May is simply saying that they won't have their hands tied by Europe in tackling the terrorism issue, it is not removing the rights people have afforded to them by UK law.

It's amazing how those words get twisted out of all proportion. Whose really doing the scaremongering I wonder!