Toms homophobic tweet

[Wizard.]

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There's probs more

[Glenn-C]

Eject him :clap2:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Vile :mad:

[Shaun]

*waits for the "it was a whole year ago he's changed!!!" posts*

[Peppermint]

Here we go with the 'let's find a bad tweet to make _____ seem like a bad person because he's my least fave'

[sampvt]

PC brigade in overdrive allready, lol. Pathetic

[Shaun]

I'm really interested to hear how calling someone a ****** is alright and shouldn't be challenged :hee:

[luvjustin]

Here we go with the 'let's find a bad tweet to make _____ seem like a bad person because he's my least fave'

Agreed. The intention behind people doing this is a bit shady but you can't ignore language like that. Vicious hate fueled little boy.

[Lostie!]

Here we go with the 'let's find a bad tweet to make _____ seem like a bad person because he's my least fave'

Nobody has to make him seem like anything, he does that well enough all by himself.

PC brigade in overdrive allready, lol. Pathetic

I prefer "basic decency brigade". :)

[Peppermint]

I'm really interested to hear how calling someone a ****** is alright and shouldn't be challenged :hee:
It shouldn't be challenged because it's irrelevant to anything he has yet done in the house

If you searched the background of all these people I'm sure there's something you would deem 'inappropriate' or 'offensive'. I don't see why people are interested tbh.

[Peppermint]

Nobody has to make him seem like anything, he does that well enough all by himself.

He's literally not even had chance to do/say anything yet for that though, it stems from the fact people are mad he got voted in over the others because he's hot

[luvjustin]

It shouldn't be challenged because it's irrelevant to anything he has yet done in the house

If you searched the background of all these people I'm sure there's something you would deem 'inappropriate' or 'offensive'. I don't see why people are interested tbh.

How is someone being blatantly homophobic and spouting hate speak irrelevant? What if he used racially motivated language, would we be ignoring that also?

[Shaun]

It shouldn't be challenged because it's irrelevant to anything he has yet done in the house

If you searched the background of all these people I'm sure there's something you would deem 'inappropriate' or 'offensive'. I don't see why people are interested tbh.

It's actually quite pertinent before we go a whole series applauding him for being a nice guy when he's covering up such stupidity (at best) or bigotry (at worst).

[andybigbro]

He is such an idiot. He needs to grow the **** up.

He's still so young and needs brought down a peg or two.

[SteveG2688]

As a gay man i do find this extremely offensive. I didn't like him anyway and i certainly dont like him now! Should be booted out and replaced with one of the others! I recon one of the other 3 that didn't make it in would do his job better as he wont listen to the public anyway, hes an arrogant little s***.

[Peppermint]

How is someone being blatantly homophobic and spouting hate speak irrelevant? What if he used racially motivated language, would we be ignoring that also?
If he'd said this stuff in the house I would agree with you, but this is one word he tweeted to somebody that may just be a lack of awareness

It's actually quite pertinent before we go a whole series applauding him for being a nice guy when he's covering up such stupidity (at best) or bigotry (at worst).
Well if we were a few weeks into the series maybe I could get behind this thought process, but there's literally no proof of this being a legit thing and not just stupidity

[Lostie!]

He's literally not even had chance to do/say anything yet for that though, it stems from the fact people are mad he got voted in over the others because he's hot

Yeah sorry I don't subscribe to this "What you do outside is irrelevant" way of thinking if we're talking about recent things, you don't become a whole different person the moment you walk through those doors. If he's tweeting hateful crap like that, I think that's probably pretty representative of what he's like as a person.

I wouldn't go hunting down housemates' social media but if I become aware of things like this, I'll form an opinion on it and I make no apologies for that.

Likewise, I take positive outside-world things into consideration too. It all contributes to forming an opinion on them as people (which I think is important since people could very well modify their behavior in the house to come across a certain way).

And no, I don't dislike him because he was voted in, that wasn't his doing. That's just a weak way of absolving him of any responsibility and putting all the blame for any negative feedback on everyone else instead of him.

[T*]

#imthebettertom

[Shaun]

#imthebettertom

#barely

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I just don't like that kind of language. Very offensive.

[SteveG2688]

I just don't like that kind of language. Very offensive.

Agreed!

[Samm]

worst housemates of all time i

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

the word ****** is only ok on those bdsm porn plogs on tumblr

[Peppermint]

Yeah sorry I don't subscribe to this "What you do outside is irrelevant" way of thinking if we're talking about recent things, you don't become a whole different person the moment you walk through those doors. If he's tweeting hateful crap like that, I think that's probably pretty representative of what he's like as a person.

I wouldn't go hunting down housemates' social media but if I become aware of things like this, I'll form an opinion on it and I make no apologies for that.

Likewise, I take positive outside-world things into consideration too. It all contributes to forming an opinion on them as people (which I think is important since people could very well modify their behavior in the house to come across a certain way).

And no, I don't dislike him because he was voted in, that wasn't his doing. That's just a weak way of absolving him of any responsibility and putting all the blame for any negative feedback on everyone else instead of him.
I see your point and I understand why it's taken into consideration even though for me personally it doesn't sway my opinion either way. Mostly because we don't really know the context of these tweets people send, or the relationship between the people within the conversations. Sure it's not okay to use the word '******' and some people will be offended by it or assume he's homophobic, but until I actually see this in his real life actions, I'm not going to see him as a solidified homophobe because sometimes people use words without realizing how it effects others.

No this isn't a defence post saying he's not homophobic or whatever, I'm just unbothered by some random tweet from a year ago

[Amy Jade]

Horrible. I hate that word so much.

He came across badly and he exhiled Chanelle so he can piss off!

[Jamesy]

Has anyone not been around straight 'lads', this is how they speak. It's hardly homophobic, just typical dumb 'lad' 'banter'.

I hate Tom as a housemate also.

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[Daniel.]

People are so offended over nothing these days

I don't like him

[Wizard.]

Horrible. I hate that word so much.

He came across badly and he exhiled Chanelle so he can piss off!

:joker:

[azi]

Trash. #NotMyHM

[Shaun]

Has anyone not been around straight 'lads', this is how they speak. It's hardly homophobic, just typical dumb 'lad' 'banter'.

Writing it off as "just lad banter" is part of the problem, love.

[Withano]

I don't think there would be many angels if everyone's entire history on social media was devoured.
Like this is a bad case, but it's not a lone case

[T*]

the word ****** is only ok on those bdsm porn plogs on tumblr
KKRKFJTJJTJF

[Cal.]

He's a ******

[Denver]

t is clearly banter between mates

[chuff me dizzy]

Since when did it become compulsory to love all gay people ? how pathetic, ...move on :idc:

[ChristmasNeeve]

Since when did it become compulsory to love all gay people ? how pathetic, ...move on :idc:

There's a difference between "loving all gay people" and using offensive language when talking about gay people

[Wizard.]

Since when did it become compulsory to love all gay people ? how pathetic, ...move on :idc:

ITs not the point you wouldnt use the N word in a joking manner so why use the F word?

[chuff me dizzy]

ITs not the point you wouldnt use the N word in a joking manner so why use the F word?

We used to have them in onion gravy when we were kids !! suddenly its an homophobic name ?

[Lostie!]

We used to have them in onion gravy when we were kids !! suddenly its an homophobic name ?

Yes that's definitely what he was referring to.

[Braden]

We used to have them in onion gravy when we were kids !! suddenly its an homophobic name ?

:laugh2:

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes that's definitely what he was referring to.

I know that :joker: but a word is just a word ,time to chill fgs

[Jøsh]

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I absolutely hate Tom. He's so annoying, rude and has the attitude of a snitch. It's awful.

[Braden]

Since when did it become compulsory to love all gay people ? how pathetic, ...move on :idc:

Me when my straight female friends try to hook me up with another gay male I have nothing in common with.

[chuff me dizzy]

No wonder the world is in the state its in when people "hate" other people over a word

[reece(:]

#NotMyPresident

[Lostie!]

I know that :joker: but a word is just a word ,time to chill fgs

Must be easy for someone who'll never have to be on the receiving end of it to dismiss it so easily, huh?

Thankfully I've never heard it directed at me (at least not to my face) but I have had a particular racial slur more than once and these things aren't "just words" so I'll continue to say that people who have had negative experiences with words like "******" and others thrown at them by small-minded morons have every right to react to it with the contempt it deserves.

[Wizard.]

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Fixed

[Jøsh]

Fixed

Thanks :hehe:

[chuff me dizzy]

Must be easy for someone who'll never have to be on the receiving end of it to dismiss it so easily, huh?

Thankfully I've never heard it directed at me (at least not to my face) but I have had a particular racial slur more than once and these things aren't "just words" so I'll continue to say that people who have had negative experiences with words like "******" and others thrown at them by small-minded morons have every right to react to it with the contempt it deserves.

A "negative experience " over a name ?

[Jason.]

We used to have them in onion gravy when we were kids !! suddenly its an homophobic name ?

cah

[Tom4784]

No wonder the world is in the state its in when people "hate" other people over a word

Because you are not part of any minority that is often on the receiving end of prejudice, you have no understanding of what it's like and thus no empathy for any situation other than your own. You have no idea of what it's like to be worried about reprisals when it comes to being open about your sexuality, you have no clue what it feels like to not want to get close to a partner in public because it could end up resulting in violence from other people.

It's just a word for you because you've never experienced the fear of not being part of the majority. Try to have more empathy for people who aren't as lucky as you are because you will never experience abuse like that.

[chuff me dizzy]

Because you are not part of any minority that is often on the receiving end of prejudice, you have no understanding of what it's like and thus no empathy for any situation other than your own. You have no idea of what it's like to be worried about reprisals when it comes to being open about your sexuality, you have no clue what it feels like to not want to get close to a partner in public because it could end up resulting in violence from other people.

It's just a word for you because you've never experienced the fear of not being part of the majority. Try to have more empathy for people who aren't as lucky as you are because you will never experience abuse like that.

Its 2017 not the 1940s !

[Lostie!]

****ing hell :facepalm:

[Tom4784]

Its 2017 not the 1940s !

And Homophobia is still very much a thing.

[Firewire]

State of some people in this thread

[chuff me dizzy]

And Homophobia is still very much a thing.

Is it hellaslike

[Firewire]

As if you would know

[MB.]

I don't know about you lot but I prefer my men to be served in onion gravy so

[ChristmasNeeve]

I don't know about you lot but I prefer my men to be served in onion gravy so

:laugh2:

[Wizard.]

Is it hellaslike

I'll believe that when I see it and I don't see it!

[Tom4784]

Is it hellaslike

It's a good day, people! Queen Chuff has declared that Homophobia isn't a thing! Gay people aren't targetted at all any more! Russia no longer has a problem with them! Gay Rights are now enforced all over the globe! It's no longer illegal to be gay in places where it was half an hour ago! The Shooting at Pulse Nightclub didn't happen because Queen Chuff of Equality over here has told us all that Homophobia no longer exists!

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

who just infracted me

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[Wizard.]

It's a good day, people! Queen Chuff has declared that Homophobia isn't a thing! Gay people aren't targetted at all any more! Russia no longer has a problem with them! Gay Rights are now enforced all over the globe! It's no longer illegal to be gay in places where it was half an hour ago! The Shooting at Pulse Nightclub didn't happen because Queen Chuff of Equality over here has told us all that Homophobia no longer exists!

Woo I'm moving to Chechnya

[Tom4784]

who just infracted me

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[Cal.]

It's a good day, people! Queen Chuff has declared that Homophobia isn't a thing! Gay people aren't targetted at all any more! Russia no longer has a problem with them! Gay Rights are now enforced all over the globe! It's no longer illegal to be gay in places where it was half an hour ago! The Shooting at Pulse Nightclub didn't happen because Queen Chuff of Equality over here has told us all that Homophobia no longer exists!

https://media.giphy.com/media/R8oO8aeqT6iSA/giphy.gif

[Braden]

It's a good day, people! Queen Chuff has declared that Homophobia isn't a thing! Gay people aren't targetted at all any more! Russia no longer has a problem with them! Gay Rights are now enforced all over the globe! It's no longer illegal to be gay in places where it was half an hour ago! The Shooting at Pulse Nightclub didn't happen because Queen Chuff of Equality over here has told us all that Homophobia no longer exists!

When will Michelle Visage?

[MB.]

Another infraction for using a Pearl gif, please

[Lush]

He has made quite a few tweets actually with the word 'gay' being used in a negative context.

I cannot stand when casual homophobia is accepted in the form of 'banter' between 'lads'.

[chuff me dizzy]

It's a good day, people! Queen Chuff has declared that Homophobia isn't a thing! Gay people aren't targetted at all any more! Russia no longer has a problem with them! Gay Rights are now enforced all over the globe! It's no longer illegal to be gay in places where it was half an hour ago! The Shooting at Pulse Nightclub didn't happen because Queen Chuff of Equality over here has told us all that Homophobia no longer exists!

Pathetic :bored:

[reece(:]

He has made quite a few tweets actually with the word 'gay' being used in a negative context.

I cannot stand when casual homophobia is accepted in the form of 'banter' between 'lads'.
Ugh it's the absolute worst :umm2:

[Tom4784]

Pathetic :bored:

As is denying homophobia because you are more offended by the accusation of homophobia than homophobia itself.

[Tom4784]

He has made quite a few tweets actually with the word 'gay' being used in a negative context.

I cannot stand when casual homophobia is accepted in the form of 'banter' between 'lads'.

Preach.

[Northern Monkey]

Here we go with the 'let's find a bad tweet to make _____ seem like a bad person because he's my least fave'

Took the words right out of my fingers.
Let's wait and see if he calls somebody in the house a '******'.

I reckon if the producers had to go through every contestants social media before they went in then they'd struggle to find any housemates.

[EspeonBB]

He has made quite a few tweets actually with the word 'gay' being used in a negative context.

I cannot stand when casual homophobia is accepted in the form of 'banter' between 'lads'.

This always annoys me too. Like when Trump defended the "grab them by the pussy" remark as 'locker room talk' :bored:

[Lostie!]

He has made quite a few tweets actually with the word 'gay' being used in a negative context.

I cannot stand when casual homophobia is accepted in the form of 'banter' between 'lads'.

He just hates happy people, that's all.

[RichardG]

i hate on season

[ChristmasNeeve]

He just hates happy people, that's all.

happy people and onion gravy :hehe:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

https://media.giphy.com/media/oEwHb3zl2pumY/giphy.gif

it was friendly banter :nono:

[Denver]

He was having banter with his mates who clearly were not offended so i dont see where the issue is

[Lostie!]

happy people and onion gravy :hehe:

:joker:

[Northern Monkey]

I don't think there would be many angels if everyone's entire history on social media was devoured.
Like this is a bad case, but it's not a lone case

Oh you beat me.This is why i should read threads before i post

[Northern Monkey]

i hate on season

So do i,My misses gets really moody and irrational

[Lostie!]

He was having banter with his mates who clearly were not offended so i dont see where the issue is

Which is only a half-reasonable defense if those mates are gay. And even then it's still the lowest possible form of "banter".

[Wizard.]

I love eating ******s they taste nice

[Denver]

Which is only a half-reasonable defense if those mates are gay. And even then it's still the lowest possible form of "banter".

He is a young lad who was way younger when he said that tweet i would understand the uproar if it was the intention to offend

[Lush]

Ugh it's the absolute worst :umm2:
It really is. :rolleyes:

This always annoys me too. Like when Trump defended the "grab them by the pussy" remark as 'locker room talk' :bored:
Disgusting, and most people just accept it too. :bored:

[Lostie!]

He is a young lad who was way younger when he said that tweet i would understand the uproar if it was the intention to offend

Last year?

And if you're using the word as an insult, even as part of cringy "banter with the lads!!!", the intention is to offend. The people who are the real butt of the joke aren't in on it.

[Lush]

Because you are not part of any minority that is often on the receiving end of prejudice, you have no understanding of what it's like and thus no empathy for any situation other than your own. You have no idea of what it's like to be worried about reprisals when it comes to being open about your sexuality, you have no clue what it feels like to not want to get close to a partner in public because it could end up resulting in violence from other people.

It's just a word for you because you've never experienced the fear of not being part of the majority. Try to have more empathy for people who aren't as lucky as you are because you will never experience abuse like that.
:clap1:

[Denver]

Last year?

And if you're using the word as an insult, even as part of cringy "banter with the lads!!!", the intention is to offend. The people who are the real butt of the joke aren't in on it.

Still it is no reason to judge him on what he is like on the inside.

Until he uses the word in the house it is irrelevant to BB

[bots]

Maybe he had a different hair style back then, so that would make it ok :dog:

My first impressions of him were that he was a bit of an idiot (putting it mildly) so I don't expect any great things from him. Feed him a few beers and he will soon be out with the garbage.

[Peppermint]

We used to have them in onion gravy when we were kids !! suddenly its an homophobic name ?
:joker::joker::joker:

[Lostie!]

Still it is no reason to judge him on what he is like on the inside.

Until he uses the word in the house it is irrelevant to BB

Your opinion of him is based on how attracted you are to him so I think my reason for holding a certain view of him is just fine.

[Ant.]

He was having banter with his mates who clearly were not offended so i dont see where the issue is

why do you hate gay people so much

[Denver]

Your opinion of him is based on how attracted you are to him so I think my reason for holding a certain view of him is just fine.

My opinion is based on the short 5 mins i get so if i cant like him in 5 mins you cant hate him in 5 mins?

[Parmy]

So we cant say ****** now?

:shrug:

[Denver]

why do you hate gay people so much

I screaming

[Samm]

We used to have them in onion gravy when we were kids !! suddenly its an homophobic name ?

how were the 1930s may I ask

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[StephenPullen]

Who cares?

[Ant.]

I screaming

Idu why you're defending homophobic language? and why you're so pressed about the amount of gays in the house?

[Ross.]

We used to have them in onion gravy when we were kids !! suddenly its an homophobic name ?

I don't know about you lot but I prefer my men to be served in onion gravy so

how were the 1930s may I ask

http://68.media.tumblr.com/138a037a4f0d7c8bb600ff286b3c1ee3/tumblr_inline_oejw16LdYh1u2pcix_250.gif

:joker::joker::joker:

[Denver]

Idu why you're defending homophobic language? and why you're so pressed about the amount of gays in the house?

You clearly dont know me

[Alf]

how were the 1930s may I ask

http://68.media.tumblr.com/138a037a4f0d7c8bb600ff286b3c1ee3/tumblr_inline_oejw16LdYh1u2pcix_250.gifYou can still buy them now, in a rich West country sauce (whatever that is)


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[Ant.]

You clearly dont know me

Did it take me catching onto how pressed you are about gay representation to realise that, or were you under the impression I knew you until I pointed it out?

You're "kinda" LGBT, you've said, congratulations. LGBT people can still hate gay people. If you're defending the use of a slur, it's "kinda" prejudiced towards the group the slur's directed to

[Denver]

Did it take me catching onto how pressed you are about gay representation to realise that, or were you under the impression I knew you until I pointed it out?

You're "kinda" LGBT, you've said, congratulations. LGBT people can still hate gay people. If you're defending the use of a slur, it's "kinda" prejudiced towards the group the slur's directed to

Its something that happened over a year ago and is unrelated to BB and he shouldnt be judged on his time in the house on that.

I dont see people judging Kayleigh on wanting to kill a cat

[sampvt]

why are we being inundated by gay issues this early. Pathetic

[Lostie!]

I dont see people judging Kayleigh on wanting to kill a cat

Oh I loathe her too, don't worry.

why are we being inundated by gay issues this early. Pathetic

:joker:

[TomC]

It's a good day, people! Queen Chuff has declared that Homophobia isn't a thing! Gay people aren't targetted at all any more! Russia no longer has a problem with them! Gay Rights are now enforced all over the globe! It's no longer illegal to be gay in places where it was half an hour ago! The Shooting at Pulse Nightclub didn't happen because Queen Chuff of Equality over here has told us all that Homophobia no longer exists!

:clap1:

[Peppermint]

You can still buy them now, in a rich West country sauce (whatever that is)


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1oQRQHfaGWc/hqdefault.jpg
Evidently not diverse enough to know these exist

[Ant.]

Its something that happened over a year ago and is unrelated to BB and he shouldnt be judged on his time in the house on that.

I dont see people judging Kayleigh on wanting to kill a cat

The fact remains that we know nothing about him. Has he changed? God knows. Why did he use it in such a context? God knows. We can only presume he hasn't changed (we don't really have reason to believe otherwise), and I don't know him but I don't see why or how he'd come to accept lgbt+ people in a year after 20 years of life he grew up to believe it's acceptable to use a homophobic slur

ok tbh I don't even remember who Kayleigh is but when did she say that?

[reece(:]

You can still buy them now, in a rich West country sauce (whatever that is)


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1oQRQHfaGWc/hqdefault.jpg
Because that is exactly what he meant

[MB.]

I've been inundated with more than a few gay issues in my time, let me tell you

[Alf]

Because that is exactly what he meantI was replying to the person who said they only existed in the 1930s. I know the guy in question never meant it that way, I ain't a moron you know?

[Alf]

Can you still use the word moron? it's hard to keep up these days, with what's right and wrong

[Guuki]

Uff so there is a chance he might be ejected. :evilgrin:

[Dan.]

I'd say that Tom's use of the word is born out of ignorance rather than out-and-out homophobia.

Calling someone a 'f*ggot' or saying 'that's so gay' is ignorant undoubtedly but it's very rarely meant in an explictly homophobic context, it's just an ignorant expression

His use of the word is not something I'd condone but by bringing up his previous tweets people are looking for a subtext that doesn't exist

[Jian Yang]

I took a instant dislike to Tom. I don't know why i just think he has potential to be a nasty piece of work!

[Lee.]

Can you still use the word moron? it's hard to keep up these days, with what's right and wrong

I'm sure you're fine with moron as it's never been used in a derogatory way towards minority groups.

[Vicky.]

Why the **** dont contestants hide their twitters when they go in. They know people trawl back years in some cases looking for stuff :laugh:

I can't really comment on this too much. If outsiders looked into some of my private convos with friends we would be ripped apart. Having said that I would never say much of the stuff I say on a public platform when I know other people could possibly read in and be offended. For example, 'fag' is seen almost as a term of endearment by one of my gay mates (genuinely, he introduces himself to people as 'the fag**t of the group' too which has caused so much hell on in the past). I am apparently his 'fag hag'. But I know others would take so much offense to even hear those terms so I don't use them outside our group :/

It wouldn't surprise me much if he turned out to be a raging homophobe but tbh thats me stereotyping :S

[Vicky.]

I'm sure you're fine with moron as it's never been used in a derogatory way towards minority groups.

Apparently moron is offensive to those with mental health issues/learning disabilities. I was advised last week on mumsnet (yes, mumsnet, laugh it up the rest of ya :laugh: )

[Lee.]

Why the **** dont contestants hide their twitters when they go in. They know people trawl back years in some cases looking for stuff :laugh:

I can't really comment on this too much. If outsiders looked into some of my private convos with friends we would be ripped apart. Having said that I would never say much of the stuff I say on a public platform when I know other people could possibly read in and be offended. For example, 'fag' is seen almost as a term of endearment by one of my gay mates (genuinely, he introduces himself to people as 'the fag**t of the group' too which has caused so much hell on in the past). I am apparently his 'fag hag'. But I know others would take so much offense to even hear those terms so I don't use them outside our group :/

It wouldn't surprise me much if he turned out to be a raging homophobe but tbh thats me stereotyping :S
I was going to say pretty much this Vick, I have a gay friend who I call every offensive name under the sun and he does the same back.. there's literally no line to be crossed.
However, would I do it publicly on Twitter? Probably not. And I also have to say that other than to him, I would NEVER use such language in normal everyday language.

[Novo]

lFQrOkLUAaY

[Lee.]

Apparently moron is offensive to those with mental health issues/learning disabilities. I was advised last week on mumsnet (yes, mumsnet, laugh it up the rest of ya :laugh: )

Really? I would never say the R word or the M word when referring to a stupid person, but I've always thought moron just applied to a person who hasn't got much get up and go?

[Vicky.]

Really? I would never say the R word or the M word when referring to a stupid person, but I've always thought moron just applied to a person who hasn't got much get up and go?

IDK. Apparently moron used to be used to describe those with learning disabilities or something. So they told me. I didn't care enough to actually check as I do think that if we were to avoid every single term that every single person found offensive, chances are the english language would cease to exist...

OK..it seems I was a bit hasty in writing this off as a one person taking offense thing.

https://www.change.org/p/ofcom-change-the-way-people-with-learning-disabilities-are-represented-on-television-and-radio-3

Changing the way language is used: Words like ‘idiot’, ‘spastic’ ‘moron’ and ‘imbecile’ were medical terms used years ago to talk about people with learning disabilities. It is not ok for people to use these words.

Mind, 3 years ago and 1.5k supporters who probably didn't even read the actual text :laugh: Idiot is offensive?!

[Headie]

This is be the first thread of the series to get locked?

[Lee.]

IDK. Apparently moron used to be used to describe those with learning disabilities or something. So they told me. I didn't care enough to actually check as I do think that if we were to avoid every single term that every single person found offensive, chances are the english language would cease to exist...

OK..it seems I was a bit hasty in writing this off as a one person taking offense thing.

https://www.change.org/p/ofcom-change-the-way-people-with-learning-disabilities-are-represented-on-television-and-radio-3



Mind, 3 years ago and 1.5k supporters who probably didn't even read the actual text :laugh: Idiot is offensive?!
Yeah that's a lot of pish... a spastic has never been somebody with learning disabilities! It was a medical term for somebody with physical disabilities like cerebral palsy.. my cousin was born with severe disabilities (over 50 years ago) and he was referred to as a spastic :shocked:
And idiot is just daft too!

[JerseyWins]

He was kidding around with his friend. I get that it indirectly effects / offends others but it's not like he was being malicious. I don't like the word either though and I'm not gay so I imagine it's worse to hear for a gay person in particular.

However, Tom must not be too bad of a person if this inappropriate joking with his friend is the worst thing people could find from probably searching years back on his social media. :joker:

[Robodog]

What if he had written a tweet calling someone 'a posh idiot' would that be labelled 'hate speech' or 'upper-class-ophobic'?

What if he had targeted an individual with a big nose and called them 'concorde face', would that be considered 'hate speech' or 'body-phobic'?

Why is it NOT OK to make rude comments or use rude words about certain groups within society, while at the same time it's totally ok to say rude things about other groups or individuals?

Why is it ok for us all to say hateful things about INDIVIDUAL HMs and attack them on a very personal level, while at the same time we can't say anything bad about their race/gender/sexuality etc?

These forums are full of so-called 'hate speech' towards individual HMs! So is every episode of BBBOTS. So is every newspaper. It's offensive sometimes yes, but no one expects them to stop it.

The crowd last night were full of 'hate speech', quickly judging HMs based on their accent/beliefs etc and then really booing them, shouting 'OFF OFF OFF OFF' like a pack of rabid dogs - is that not 'hate speech'?


My point is: You can't have it both ways.

If you want to be fair and intellectually consistent then you can't call it 'phobia' and 'hate speech' one minute (when it refers to certain beliefs/genders/sexuality/races etc) while at the same time pull someone apart on a really personal level with the exact same kind of 'hate speech' and think that's OK !

(in fact the comments made about HMs on a personal level on BB forums and on BBBOTS are usually FAR worse than some old off-hand tweet like Tom's)

Either you ban all 'hate speech' which means no more rude comments about ANYONE EVER regardless of their race/gender/sexuality/background etc (which would be a pretty boring, over-controlled world to live in) or you allow people to say what they like and just deal with it whether you like it or not.

You can't pick and choose.

It's all or nothing.

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"One of the problems with defending free speech is you often have to defend people that you find to be outrageous and unpleasant and disgusting. "

Salman Rushdie

[Robodog]

What if he had written a tweet calling someone 'a posh idiot' would that be labelled 'hate speech' or 'upper-class-ophobic'?

What if he had targeted an individual with a big nose and called them 'concorde face', would that be considered 'hate speech' or 'nose-ophobic'?

Why is it NOT OK to make rude comments or use rude words about certain groups within society, while at the same time it's totally ok to say rude things about other groups or individuals?

Why is it ok for us all to say hateful things about INDIVIDUAL HMs and attack them on a very personal level, while at the same time we can't say anything bad about their race/gender/background etc?

These forums are full of so-called 'hate speech' towards individual HMs. So is every episode of BBBOTS. So is every newspaper. It's offensive sometimes yes, but no one expects them to stop it.

The crowd last night were full of 'hate speech', quickly judging HMs based on their accent/beliefs etc and then booing them, shouting 'OFF OFF OFF OFF' like a pack of rabid dogs - is that not 'hate speech'?


My point is: You can't have it both ways.

If you want to be fair and intellectually consistent then you can't call it 'phobia' and 'hate speech' one minute (when it refers to certain beliefs/genders/sexuality/races etc) while at the same time pull someone apart on a really personal level with the exact same kind of 'hate speech' and think that's OK

(in fact the comments made about HMs on a personal level on BB forums and on BBBOTS are usually FAR worse than some old off-hand tweet like Tom's)

Either you ban all 'hate speech' which means no more rude comments about ANYONE EVER regardless of their race/gender/sexuality/background etc (which would be a pretty boring, over-controlled world to live in) or you allow people to say what they like and just deal with it whether you like it or not.

You can't pick and choose.

It's all or nothing.

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"One of the problems with defending free speech is you often have to defend people that you find to be outrageous and unpleasant and disgusting. "

Salman Rushdie

[Novo]

An absolute monster who must be banished

[Tom4784]

What if he had written a tweet calling someone 'a posh idiot' would that be labelled 'hate speech' or 'upper-class-ophobic'?

What if he had targeted an individual with a big nose and called them 'concorde face', would that be considered 'hate speech' or 'nose-ophobic'?

Why is it NOT OK to make rude comments or use rude words about certain groups within society, while at the same time it's totally ok to say rude things about other groups or individuals?

Why is it ok for us all to say hateful things about INDIVIDUAL HMs and attack them on a very personal level, while at the same time we can't say anything bad about their race/gender/background etc?

These forums are full of so-called 'hate speech' towards individual HMs. So is every episode of BBBOTS. So is every newspaper. It's offensive sometimes yes, but no one expects them to stop it.

The crowd last night were full of 'hate speech', quickly judging HMs based on their accent/beliefs etc and then booing them, shouting 'OFF OFF OFF OFF' like a pack of rabid dogs - is that not 'hate speech'?


My point is: You can't have it both ways.

If you want to be fair and intellectually consistent then you can't call it 'phobia' and 'hate speech' one minute (when it refers to certain beliefs/genders/sexuality/races etc) while at the same time pull someone apart on a really personal level with the exact same kind of 'hate speech' and think that's OK

(in fact the comments made about HMs on a personal level on BB forums and on BBBOTS are usually FAR worse than some old off-hand tweet like Tom's)

Either you ban all 'hate speech' which means no more rude comments about ANYONE EVER regardless of their race/gender/sexuality/background etc (which would be a pretty boring, over-controlled world to live in) or you allow people to say what they like and just deal with it whether you like it or not.

You can't pick and choose.

It's all or nothing.

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"One of the problems with defending free speech is you often have to defend people that you find to be outrageous and unpleasant and disgusting. "

Salman Rushdie

You don't understand and you never will judging by the examples you used in this post.

Having a big nose isn't likely to result in being attacked or abused, rich people don't live in fear of being thrown out by their families and loved ones because of their status. These examples are not examples of hate speech, you don't understand what hate speech is because you likely have never been a victim of it. Hate speech does not equal insults. It's an attack on someone's existence and it's about enforcing the feeling that certain parts of society are second class citizens. Telling someone they have a big nose is not hate speech and quite frankly it's vile that you think they are in any way shape or form at all similar because it downplays actual hate speech and makes it seem less dangerous than it actually is.

You need to understand what Hate Speech is because this post just tells me that you don't have a clue, also don't bring up a freedom of speech quote when you don't really understand what that means either.

[TomC]

What if he had written a tweet calling someone 'a posh idiot' would that be labelled 'hate speech' or 'upper-class-ophobic'?

What if he had targeted an individual with a big nose and called them 'concorde face', would that be considered 'hate speech' or 'nose-ophobic'?

Why is it NOT OK to make rude comments or use rude words about certain groups within society, while at the same time it's totally ok to say rude things about other groups or individuals?

Why is it ok for us all to say hateful things about INDIVIDUAL HMs and attack them on a very personal level, while at the same time we can't say anything bad about their race/gender/background etc?

These forums are full of so-called 'hate speech' towards individual HMs. So is every episode of BBBOTS. So is every newspaper. It's offensive sometimes yes, but no one expects them to stop it.

The crowd last night were full of 'hate speech', quickly judging HMs based on their accent/beliefs etc and then booing them, shouting 'OFF OFF OFF OFF' like a pack of rabid dogs - is that not 'hate speech'?


My point is: You can't have it both ways.

If you want to be fair and intellectually consistent then you can't call it 'phobia' and 'hate speech' one minute (when it refers to certain beliefs/genders/sexuality/races etc) while at the same time pull someone apart on a really personal level with the exact same kind of 'hate speech' and think that's OK

(in fact the comments made about HMs on a personal level on BB forums and on BBBOTS are usually FAR worse than some old off-hand tweet like Tom's)

Either you ban all 'hate speech' which means no more rude comments about ANYONE EVER regardless of their race/gender/sexuality/background etc (which would be a pretty boring, over-controlled world to live in) or you allow people to say what they like and just deal with it whether you like it or not.

You can't pick and choose.

It's all or nothing.

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"One of the problems with defending free speech is you often have to defend people that you find to be outrageous and unpleasant and disgusting. "

Salman Rushdie


FFs. It's about moral responsibility and social sensitivity. The reason race and sexuality are two of the most sensitive areas of hate speech is as follows. 'Posh' people and people with big noses have never gone through mass persecution, nor are they still fighting for equal rights across the world. Hate speech targets the most vulnerable in society; people who are still fighting for rights.