Sukhvinder and Rebecca argue over the meaning of discrimination

[LukeB]

https://www.facebook.com/BigBrotherUK/videos/vb.119257188159540/1629962580422319/?type=2&theater

Kayleigh "what does discrimination mean again"
Rebecca "it's basically like racism,
Sukhvinder "it's not like...racism"

mess, natural drama though :love:

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Sukhvinder getting the race card in on day 3 :bored:

[ChristmasNeeve]

Sukhvinder getting the race card in on day 3 :bored:

Rebecca mentioned racism not Sukhvinder

[Tom4784]

Sukhvinder, Queen of fighting to right societal wrongs :clap1:

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Rebecca mentioned racism not Sukhvinder

I will re-watch the video as I dont think she did

[Greg!]

I will re-watch the video as I dont think she did

You're wrong

[ChristmasNeeve]

Just rewatched it, Rebecca brought up racism

[Time]

tell her sukhvinder :clap1:

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Just rewatched it, Rebecca brought up racism

Ive just re watched it too ,Someone asked what discrimination was and Rebecca said "Its like racism " it was Sukh who then got her violin out ,but so glad Rebecca clapped her and said "Here we go "

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Ginder Bansal Sukhvinder is a vile woman. Iv known her for over 20 years, and she's always looking for an argument and playing the victim.

I used to work with her aswell in a large organisation, and she would just go around looking to start something with anyone in her path. She was hated and avoided by most other colleagues.

When I saw her entering the big brother house, I knew her true colours would show before long.

It's ridiculous her trying to play the race card in this discussion. She was just angling for an argument.

I actually feel sorry for her mild mannered husband.


Someone on Facebook ^^^

[ChristmasNeeve]

Ive just re watched it too ,Someone asked what discrimination was and Rebecca said "Its like racism " it was Sukh who then got her violin out ,but so glad Rebecca clapped her and said "Here we go "

Discrimination isn't racism though, I don't know why Rebecca brought race into it when they were talking about not hiring a woman for a job if she wasn't wearing make up. And yes Rebecca brought it up

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Discrimination isn't racism though, I don't know why Rebecca brought race into it when they were talking about not hiring a woman for a job if she wasn't wearing make up. And yes Rebecca brought it up

Rebecca was just trying to describe it roughly to whoever was acting thick by making out they didn't know what it meant

[LukeB]

Mess why is it like when black or asian mentions the word racist they always accused of bringing up the race card like it doesn't exist? Racism does exist and will always exist. Rebecca used racism first but Sukhvinder gets the slack?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Ginder Bansal Sukhvinder is a vile woman. Iv known her for over 20 years, and she's always looking for an argument and playing the victim.

I used to work with her aswell in a large organisation, and she would just go around looking to start something with anyone in her path. She was hated and avoided by most other colleagues.

When I saw her entering the big brother house, I knew her true colours would show before long.

It's ridiculous her trying to play the race card in this discussion. She was just angling for an argument.

I actually feel sorry for her mild mannered husband.


Someone on Facebook ^^^

Oh that must be true then. I could equally go on FB and say I knew her when we both volunteered in an old folks home, mother Teresa she was, bless her gentle soul :laugh:

[ChristmasNeeve]

Mess why is it like when black or asian mentions the word racist they always accused of bringing up the race card like it doesn't exist? Racism does exist and will always exist. Rebecca used racism first but Sukhvinder gets the slack?

Like Rebecca would know anything about racism anyway

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Oh that must be true then. I could equally go on FB and say I knew her when we both volunteered in an old folks home, mother Teresa she was, bless her gentle soul :laugh:

We've seen in 3 days what a loud mouth, horrible cow she is

[Lostie!]

It's ridiculous her trying to play the race card in this discussion

Anyone who actually watched and paid attention to the clip would know full well she did nothing of the sort.

[UserSince2005]

racism is discrimination.
tbf
sukhvinder is dumb

[LukeB]

Like Rebecca would know anything about racism anyway

:laugh:

Sukhvinder was just explaining it wasn't racism so they shouldn't be an issue there and said Rebecca has not experienced racism which is true.

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racism is discrimination.
tbf
sukhvinder is dumb

Its a form of discrimination I agree

[Greg!]

Yes but it's not the same thing, which Sukhvinder explained.

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Its Rebeccas business, she had a dress code ( as lots of workplaces have ) and Sukhvinder should mind her own business

[ChristmasNeeve]

Its Rebeccas business, she had a dress code ( as lots of workplaces have ) and Sukhvinder should mind her own business

It's total discrimination and sexist

[UserSince2005]

Yes but it's not the same thing, which Sukhvinder explained.

Which is not what the blonde said either.

I think if someone calls you discriminatory, you have a right to take it as personally as someone calling you racist.

They are words on the same level.

And that what blonde was saying

so yeah sukhvinder can so suck one.

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It's total discrimination and sexist

Lots of places have a make up rule you couldn't work on a beauty counter without it ,lots of offices also have a make up and clothing rule if you're not happy to stick to their code, you just don't apply to work there I see nothing wrong in it whatsoever

[Greg!]

Which is not what the blonde said either.

I think if someone calls you discriminatory, you have a right to take it as personally as someone calling you racist.

They are words on the same level.

And that what blonde was saying

so yeah sukhvinder can so suck one.

Kayleigh (I think) asked what discrimination means and Rebecca said "racism" which it isn't.

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Which is not what the blonde said either.

I think if someone calls you discriminatory, you have a right to take it as personally as someone calling you racist.

They are words on the same level.

And that what blonde was saying

so yeah sukhvinder can so suck one.

:clap1:

[ChristmasNeeve]

Kayleigh (I think) asked what discrimination means and Rebecca said "racism" which it isn't.

She obviously said racism to make how she discriminates sound not as bad, idiot, I liked her as well until I heard her say that. Shallow, sexist bitch

[Greg!]

She obviously said racism to make how she discriminates sound not as bad, idiot, I liked her as well until I heard her say that. Shallow, sexist bitch

Excactly this :clap1:

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Kayleigh (I think) asked what discrimination means and Rebecca said "racism" which it isn't.

"its basically like racism " Is what Rebecca said

[Cherry Christmas]

https://www.facebook.com/BigBrotherUK/videos/vb.119257188159540/1629962580422319/?type=2&theater

Kayleigh "what does discrimination mean again"
Rebecca "it's basically like racism,
Sukhvinder "it's not like...racism"

mess, natural drama though :love:

Kayleigh has never heard of discrimination fgs shoot me now

[Jason.]

Sukhvinder educating the ignorant :clap1:

[ChristmasNeeve]

Kayleigh has never heard of discrimination fgs shoot me now

Yes. this is the true travesty in this little exchange :laugh:

[Greg!]

"its basically like racism " Is what Rebecca said

Doesn't matter, she was still wrong and all Sukvhinder did was correct her.

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Doesn't matter, she was still wrong and all Sukvhinder did was correct her.

Then threw in the poor me card

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Rebecca was right


discrimination
dɪˌskrɪmɪˈneɪʃ(ə)n/Submit
noun
1.
the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.
"victims of racial discrimination"
synonyms: prejudice, bias, bigotry, intolerance, narrow-mindedness, unfairness, inequity, favouritism, one-sidedness, partisanship; More
2.
recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.
"discrimination between right and wrong"
synonyms: differentiation, distinction, telling the difference
"the discrimination between right and wrong"

[Denver]

I think the law states you can not discriminate in a work place which includes forcing employees to wear make up

[sampvt]

Emplyers reserve the right to have a dress code so why not a make up code. They are after all paying you for your services. Too many idiots think they have rights and can do what they want. You wouldnt go to Macdonalds and expect to be able to turn up in shorts and flip flops for work

[ChristmasNeeve]

Lots of places have a make up rule you couldn't work on a beauty counter without it ,lots of offices also have a make up and clothing rule if you're not happy to stick to their code, you just don't apply to work there I see nothing wrong in it whatsoever

Just because lots of people do it doesn't make it right :shrug:

[ChristmasNeeve]

Emplyers reserve the right to have a dress code so why not a make up code. They are after all paying you for your services. Too many idiots think they have rights and can do what they want. You wouldnt go to Macdonalds and expect to be able to turn up in shorts and flip flops for work

Yeah stupid idiots wanted rights and stuff

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Just because lots of people do it doesn't make it right :shrug:

Why is it not right to want your staff dressing or looking a certain way ? they are representing you and your company

[ChristmasNeeve]

Rebecca was right


discrimination
dɪˌskrɪmɪˈneɪʃ(ə)n/Submit
noun
1.
the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.
"victims of racial discrimination"
synonyms: prejudice, bias, bigotry, intolerance, narrow-mindedness, unfairness, inequity, favouritism, one-sidedness, partisanship; More
2.
recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.
"discrimination between right and wrong"
synonyms: differentiation, distinction, telling the difference
"the discrimination between right and wrong"

She wasn't right because Rebecca clearly said racism to try and make it sound like Sukhvinder was wrong in accusing her of discriminating which she wasn't

[ChristmasNeeve]

Why is it not right to want your staff dressing or looking a certain way ? they are representing you and your company

As long as they look presentable and are doing the job they shouldn't have a say in whether or not you wear make up.

[Denver]

Why is it not right to want your staff dressing or looking a certain way ? they are representing you and your company
Actually you can not make them do anything like a few years back a woman took her boss to work for making her wear high heels and won

[SteveG2688]

Discrimination - the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

[SteveG2688]

As long as they look presentable and are doing the job they shouldn't have a say in whether or not you wear make up.

I agree. I remember when i was at college they used to make people wear makeup and if you didn't you would be sent home. Its so stupid i dont like that women at all, shes strikes me as extremely shallow.

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You couldn't turn up to work in Boots in a hoody and jeans

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As long as they look presentable and are doing the job they shouldn't have a say in whether or not you wear make up.

Its Rebeccas business ,her choice

[ChristmasNeeve]

Discrimination - the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

Exactly. Discrimination isn't actually racism but it could be something a racist person does because they're racist, they could also call a person names or attack them which isn't discrimination but things racist people might do

[Candy Annie Cane]

Actually you can not make them do anything like a few years back a woman took her boss to work for making her wear high heels and won

Actually you can:

Gender-based dress codes and grooming standards are a sort of exception to the usual rules about workplace sex discrimination. In all other respects, employers are required to treat men and women equally. Employers may not impose different rules or requirements on women than on men. For example, an employer could not legally require women to have more experience than men to be hired for a position, nor could they require women to arrive at work an hour earlier than men. In general, employers cannot create different performance, productivity, or conduct standards for women and men.
Similarly, employers are not allowed to bow to customer preference in any other respect when it comes to gender in the workplace. For example, courts have held that airlines may not discriminate against men who want to be flight attendants, even if their customers would prefer to be served by women. And, employers may not discriminate against women for jobs in the C-suite, even if their clients would be more comfortable doing business with men. Laws prohibiting sex discrimination are intended to change these cultural stereotypes, not to further them.
In the area of personal appearance, however, gender-based differences are allowed. And, because they are often upheld in the context of customer service positions like yours, it seems that part of the rationale has to do with customer expectations. Customers want to be served meals and drinks from employees who are well-groomed and look neat, and in our culture, that translates differently depending on whether the employee is male or female.
Courts have upheld different grooming standards and dress codes for men and women, including the requirement that women wear -- and men not wear -- makeup. Different hair requirements and clothing requirements have also generally been found to be legal. In one case, a federal appeals court allowed a casino to require female employees to wear makeup, to tease or style their hair, and to wear stockings, requirements that seem clearly intended to make these employees appear more sexually attractive to customers.
If a dress code or grooming requirement imposed a significant burden on one gender only, that might cross the legal line. For example, if men could wear any clothing they wanted, but women had to purchase uniforms at significant expense for the same job, a court might find this requirement to be discriminatory. Short of a heavily one-sided expense like this, however, different grooming codes for men and women are legal.

Source: employment law firm

[ChristmasNeeve]

That woman still won her case about wearing heels though ^^

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Richard Branson even tells his female flight staff they must wear red lipstick only

[ChristmasNeeve]

Richard Branson even tells his female flight staff they must wear red lipstick only

So? listing examples of people who do it doesn't make it any better

[Candy Annie Cane]

That woman still won her case about wearing heels though ^^

If I remember rightly it is because they didn't have a legal dress code in place and that was an agency worker as opposed to a contracted worker. Could be wrong though.

NB - I don't agree with forcing people to wear make up though - just playing devil's advocate from an employment law standpoint

[ChristmasNeeve]

If I remember rightly it is because they didn't have a legal dress code in place and that was an agency worker as opposed to a contracted worker. Could be wrong though.

NB - I don't agree with forcing people to wear make up though - just playing devil's advocate from an employment law standpoint

I wonder if Rebecca does? :hehe: Either way it's shallow and sexist

[azi]

End her Sukhvinder :clap1:

[Nicky91]

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Sukhvinder slaying yet again

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As long as Rebecca makes her dress code clear in interviews she's breaking no laws

[ChristmasNeeve]

As long as Rebecca makes her dress code clear in interviews she's breaking no laws

So? She's still discriminating and being sexist

[reece(:]

Suki finished her.

[Owen19]

So? listing examples of people who do it doesn't make it any better

:clap1:

[chuff me dizzy]

So? She's still discriminating and being sexist

Her business, her rules

[Gusto Brunt]

Bit of a Jade Goody conversation that...

[ChristmasNeeve]

Her business, her rules

She's still discriminating and being sexist

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I don't like neither of them :laugh:

[VanessaFeltz.]

this thread alone shows why i quit watching big brother

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She's still discriminating and being sexist

Is she chuff :joker:

[Peppermint]

Rebecca was just giving an example it seems like, don't know why Sukhvinder disagreed

[Wizard.]

Sukhvindir's been dying to get into a fight lol

[Amy Jade]

I kind of agree with Rebecca and I don't even like her.

Racism is a form of discrimination, all Sukvinder had to do was say there are all types of discrimination not just racism but she seemed to want an argument and she shouted over Rebecca rather than explaining.

(Oh and I don't agree with being forced to wear make up for a job unless it's like on a make up counter and they ask you to wear their products so customers see how it looks etc)

[JerseyWins]

At first I felt like the make-up shouldn't be a criteria for working at the job but then I thought about it.

There are jobs where men are required to cut their hair / shave their beard in order to work there and I automatically see why - it's that business's criteria for a professional look. And many times guys are much more limited in what they can wear for a company's dress code than women are (although probably vice versa as well for this but it's more common for guys to be limited to say slacks/buttoned down shirt/tie every day or whatever).

Anyway, it goes both ways so I guess what a business owner wants from their employees shouldn't be a problem because it's just what they want in their business. The employees have the choice to agree or disagree if they want to work there. :shrug:

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At first I felt like the make-up shouldn't be a criteria for working at the job but then I thought about it.

There are jobs where men are required to cut their hair / shave their beard in order to work there and I automatically see why - it's that business's criteria for a professional look. And many times guys are much more limited in what they can wear for a company's dress code than women are (although probably vice versa as well for this but it's more common for guys to be limited to say slacks/buttoned down shirt/tie every day or whatever).

Anyway, it goes both ways so I guess what a business owner wants from their employees shouldn't be a problem because it's just what they want in their business. The employees have the choice to agree or disagree if they want to work there. :shrug:

A very good reasoned post

[Samm]

shookvinder is such a mess I hope she doesn't get snatched from the house too soon

[Rustic bauble]

Racism is a discrimination on race....discrimination can be against any one regardless of race. But if Rebecca said its 'similar' or 'like' racism she's painting a picture and using it as a similarity to explain it.so I can see where she is coming from. It doesn't surprise me Sukhvinder jumped on it. I am sure her husband would have dealt with it better rather than making a big issue over it.

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Racism is a discrimination on race....discrimination can be against any one regardless of race. But if Rebecca said its 'similar' or 'like' racism she's painting a picture and using it as a similarity to explain it.so I can see where she is coming from. It doesn't surprise me Sukhvinder jumped on it. I am sure her husband would have dealt with it better rather than making a big issue over it.

I feel sorry for him ,as far as Ive seen he seems a calm nice bloke albeit he lives in Never Never Land as far as helping your neighbour is concerned ,fancy having to live with a cow like her ?

[Rustic bauble]

I feel sorry for him ,as far as Ive seen he seems a calm nice bloke albeit he lives in Never Never Land as far as helping your neighbour is concerned ,fancy having to live with a cow like her ?

They are so different in nature...but then opposites often attract and one often stabilises the other. She certainly is high maintenance..

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They are so different in nature...but then opposites often attract and one often stabilises the other. She certainly is high maintenance..

Bloody nightmare of a woman !! he looks proper henpecked

[Daniel-X]

Sukhvinder is right there's other types of discrimanition but Becks was just giving an example I suppose? :shrug:

[Captain.Remy]

Just dropping this here in case someone ever doubts the meaning of it:

The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/discrimination