Trisha thinks that maybe Joe doesn't like Raph because he's gay?

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I haven't noticed this. :suspect:

[Merry Mockmas]

She might have a point, who knows.

I suspect that Joe could dislike him for a number of reasons, all of them which are highly controversial and why he won't say them out loud.

[snail69]

I haven't noticed this. :suspect:
The older generation are less accepting even these days.

My nan really is not a fan of it at all. She never knows what to even call gay people so she usually ends up saying something highly offensive!

Having said that Joe is about 20 years her junior...

Not saying she's right but just saying if she is then that's maybe the reason.

[MrWong]

I still think it's the intelligence thing.

I did wonder if Charlotte (the only other intelligent hm) was being attacked by Joe for her intelligence as nothing had been shown but she confirmed as much in a chat with Rebecca shown on BOTS.

[Withano]

Well she's an irresponsible arsehole. She can not make that claim. Was it a joke or was she serious? (I didn't watch cos rylan)

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Well she's an irresponsible arsehole. She can not make that claim. Was it a joke or was she serious? (I didn't watch cos rylan)

She was serious.

[RhysJones]

I think it's really unfair to call someone a homophobe with no reason to it. I really don't think that's the reason he doesn't like Raph

[In the Drunk Tank]

Nah I just think he's a bit thrown by people who are intelligent and/or well-spoken and is suspicious of it. He's the same towards Charlotte

[Merry Mockmas]

I still think it's the intelligence thing.

I did wonder if Charlotte (the only other intelligent hm) was being attacked by Joe for her intelligence as nothing had been shown but she confirmed as much in a chat with Rebecca.

BIB, Charlotte really is clever as she's trying to play down how smart she is in that conversation with Rebecca by saying "I'm not that smart" which I strongly disagree with.

[Rob!]

Not them turning Joe into Winston II and it culminating in Rylan grinding up against him

[Amy Jade]

Yes lets label anyone who doesn't like someone who happens to be gay as homophobic, too.

Anyone who doesn't happen to like Kayleight is sexist too.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Yes lets label anyone who doesn't like someone who happens to be gay as homophobic, too.

Anyone who doesn't happen to like Kayleight is sexist too.

I just thought it was an odd comment to make just before the end of the show. Don't know what to make of it.

[Merry Mockmas]

Yes lets label anyone who doesn't like someone who happens to be gay as homophobic, too.

Anyone who doesn't happen to like Kayleight is sexist too.

I don't think that Joe is homophobic personally, but he definitely has more against him and Charlotte for more than just being intelligent and that's the fact that they're some of the younger Housemates in the house I think and he resents that they're youthful in their look and he wants that for himself as his getting frustrated that he can't properly hang out with the popular clique because of his age, yet they're refusing to hang around the popular clique as much even though they are attractive, youthful people and Joe resents that about them.

[Withano]

She was serious.

Hope Joe sues for slander

[armand.kay]

What an aweful thing to say why have people assumed that joe is racist, homophobic etc just because of what he sounds like. Look you can say a lot of things about joe but I really don't think he is homophobic. Imo his problem with raph stems from tom telling him about his VT on the first night.

[LukeB]

I think this is ridiculous. Trisha is annoying me already. I may hate Joe but there.s no proof of her accusation. I think Joe has an issue with Raph because of his intelligence.

[Northern Monkey]

I doubt that's the reason.He's a nightclub owner isn't he?He'll be hanging out with gays every week.

[Shaun]

Trisha Goddard ha problematic era?

[Oliver_W]

Nah, Joe doesn't come off as homophobic. I think it's like others have said, he's just threatened that Raph is intelligent and isn't one of his sheep.

[Kazanne]

Trisha did say she wondered whether that was the reason Joe disliked Raph,she then said she wasn't saying that was the reason ,she had just wondered if that was the reason

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Trisha did say she wondered whether that was the reason Joe disliked Raph,she then said she wasn't saying that was the reason ,she had just wondered if that was the reason

I don't know, we will have to wait and see. But Joe has definitely got a problem with him. He's targeting him.

[snail69]

I don't know, we will have to wait and see. But Joe has definitely got a problem with him. He's targeting him.
You do know it is okay for people to not see eye to eye and not get along without one or both of them targeting each other right?! Even in the real world this is common.

If that's how you feel though then what has made you think he (Raph)is being targeted by Joe? Serious question.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

You do know it is okay for people to not see eye to eye and not get along without one or both of them targeting each other right?! Even in the real world this is common.

If that's how you feel though then what has made you think he (Raph)is being targeted by Joe? Serious question.
I just get the feeling he's got a problem with him.

[snail69]

I just get the feeling he's got a problem with him.
Yeah and he likely does. As Raph does seem to have with him too. They can't all get on and that's fine.

You said Joe has been "targeting" him though so I just wondered what had made you think that?

[Parmy]

I thought it was Raph who had more of a problem with Joe.:shrug:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I thought it was Raph who had more of a problem with Joe.:shrug:

They don't like each other :laugh:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Yeah and he likely does. As Raph does seem to have with him too. They can't all get on and that's fine.

You said Joe has been "targeting" him though so I just wondered what had made you think that?

In bots it said that Joe stole food off his plate. It may be a small thing, but would he do that to his mates?

[snail69]

In bots it said that Joe stole food off his plate. It may be a small thing, but would he do that to his mates?
I think you are clutching at straws a bit there.

What about looking at it from the other way. Raph took Joe's luggage so surely using your logic then Raph is targeting him too?

I'm not particularly a fan of Joe(he's alright but I prefer Raph) but I just don't think he's been targeting anyone.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I think you are clutching at straws a bit there.

What about looking at it from the other way. Raph took Joe's luggage so surely using your logic then Raph is targeting him too?

I'm not particularly a fan of Joe(he's alright but I prefer Raph) but I just don't think he's been targeting anyone.

I hope not. Don't like Joe. I think he's very unpleasant.

[Mick]

I am old school in age and most thinking yet if i was in that house i would be feeling comfortable Re Raphs sexuality.He makes no issue concerning it and i suspect that any dislike that Joe feels has nothing to do with this.

It is a strange but interesting situation because imo Joe does feel a threat from Raph but its difficult to glean what or why.? The game playing thing,well plenty will be doing so (or attempting to) and Joe will be aware of this and at least Raph has been overt about this aspect.

[joeysteele]

I think Raph not going along with the getting at Arthur was a reason Joe turned as well on Raph.

He does appear to have a disturbing dislike of Raph which really will show Joe as unfair and it work against Joe too.

I find Joe totally dull, he is miserable most of the highlights.
I just wish someone else had nominated him this week and that he was up.
He'd probably wonder who other than Raph would have nominated hin and it would have likely driven him crazy,trying to find out.

[letmein]

Other people on other forums were already saying this about Joe before Trisha said it due to Joe getting all bent out of shape the moment his heterosexuality got questioned (ie, wearing makeup).

[sampvt]

oh yeah every time someone dislikes a gay, they are homophobes. is this a freekin badge gays can wear to explain away someone who might simply be a twat. If someone dislikes me, am I to lable them a strightaphobe. Newsflash people....if a straight hates a gay, he may not be homophobic, he might just not like the guy, gay or straight, black or white, fat or thin, none of these issues matter. Drop the homophobe **** please, it makes no sense at all. This craps been going on for way too long and its wearing thin.

[snail69]

oh yeah every time someone dislikes a gay, they are homophobes. is this a freekin badge gays can wear to explain away someone who might simply be a twat. If someone dislikes me, am I to lable them a strightaphobe. Newsflash people....if a straight hates a gay, he may not be homophobic, he might just not like the guy, gay or straight, black or white, fat or thin, none of these issues matter. Drop the homophobe **** please, it makes no sense at all. This craps been going on for way too long and its wearing thin.
Homophobe, racist and bully are things that people on this forum like to accuse others of on a daily basis. It's tedious.

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[ChristmasNeeve]

As much as I dislike Joe, that's a sh**y thing to accuse a person of with absolutely no reasoning for it

[Amy Jade]

Homophobe, racist and bully are things that people on this forum like to accuse others of on a daily basis. It's tedious.

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You knkw it's beyond a joke when members with less than 300 posts notice how bad it gets on here :laugh:

[snail69]

You knkw it's beyond a joke when members with less than 300 posts notice how bad it gets on here [emoji23]
Well I signed up a few years ago but couldn't take it so I've only just come back. It's hard to read sometimes and some people just can't be reasoned with at all. Hopefully I'll stick it out this time though as occasionally you get a good discussion.

I only realised this morning though when looking at the rules that you only need to be 13 to sign up so that's maybe why some posts don't seem very mature.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Other people on other forums were already saying this about Joe before Trisha said it due to Joe getting all bent out of shape the moment his heterosexuality got questioned (ie, wearing makeup).

Yes, I read that thread in DS. Interesting.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I think Raph not going along with the getting at Arthur was a reason Joe turned as well on Raph.

He does appear to have a disturbing dislike of Raph which really will show Joe as unfair and it work against Joe too.

I find Joe totally dull, he is miserable most of the highlights.
I just wish someone else had nominated him this week and that he was up.
He'd probably wonder who other than Raph would have nominated hin and it would have likely driven him crazy,trying to find out.
Yes, I just feel a bit uncomfortable when Joe is around Raph for some reason. It's a bad feeling I get.