Why is it rating so poorly this year?

[Cal.]

I don't really see the issue?

[Vicky.]

People are just getting sick of it. 3 a year is too much. Plus c5 try to create drama too much so its become almost scripted.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

it should be 1 CBB + 1 BB a year kmt

other than that idk bc this series has been really good

[LukeB]

People are complaining about the people who was on other rtv before bb and outside contact.. i would not be watching much if it wasnt for raph

[Cal.]

bbspy are going off like 'Hmm BB has lost it's viewers to Love Island haha!' when they're on at different times so you don't just decide to watch one and not the other.

[Cal.]

They're going to prioritise summer CBB even more now. It wouldn't surprise me if they put summer CBB against Love Island next year instead of civilian to try and combat it.

[Vicky.]

Why do they even care about ****ing love island though?

[ethanjames]

people are bored of it and its gotten worse as the years have gone on sadly

[Epic.]

10pm

[bots]

love island isn't the reason BB is struggling for ratings, BB is the reason. Its not new, its not fresh, its predictable and the type of content in the highlight shows doesn't encourage people to tune in because it never goes anywhere, its just rinse and repeat for however many weeks its on

[Greg!]

bbspy are going off like 'Hmm BB has lost it's viewers to Love Island haha!' when they're on at different times so you don't just decide to watch one and not the other.

Bbspy would complain if a paramedic went in the hoose to save someone's life cos it's outside contact.

[Jian Yang]

Because people want to watch Big Brother not, 'Essex on the Beach by the Shore in some Valley'. Also little stunts like 'adding 3 VIP celebs' for a few days won't draw in the mainstream. The mainstream TV viewer (of whom the producers need to start appealing to again) would howl with laughter that Marnie Simpson (most would ask, who?) Nicola Mclean (again, who?) and Gemma Collins (oh, the one who's on every reality show she can get on?) would even be considered celebrities. I guess Marnie and Gemma would draw a few extra eyes considering they have a following, but in turn the same two people would also have viewers switching over. Back to basics would be a step in the right direction, but it'll never happen!

[Vicky.]

I'm sure the only people who watch now are the forum diehards...and the idiots who watch just to find something to complain to ofcom about.

The warnings are just getting ridiculous. Why on earth do they need to give a warning after 10pm as there may be a 'personal argument' :bored:

[Mullens123]

After the producer manipulation and blatant rigging went overboard in 2014 its been a downward spiral since then. Casual fans even point out that the housemate selection, ever changing rules and lack of consistency with nominations bothers them... but each year this is never rectified, meaning people have given up on tuning in.

[rionablue]

I don't really see the issue?

In my humble opinion Cal is because they are trotting out the same old stuff year after year and not bringing fresh ideas twists tasks etc to the show. When it has been on for as long as it has they should have a team that can come up with some fresh new ideas. Their WORST idea was putting so many PAIRS into the house. They have done mother and daughter and twins and all that stuff before. Housemates should be individuals. Thats what it started out as and for many years it had massive viewing figures.

The second thing they should do is NOT put in housemates that have appeared on any of those trashy programmes like TOWIE or Ex on the beach. If they HAVE to put them in they should be in celeb one but I think they should be banished from that also. If they cant find decent celebrities that are household names or at least KNOWn they should scrap it.

And thirdly as another poster said three BB's a year is too much. They should be ONE CELEB and ONE CIVILIAN. I still watch it but not half as interested in any of it as I used to be

[Gusto Brunt]

People are just getting sick of it. 3 a year is too much. Plus c5 try to create drama too much so its become almost scripted.

I think you're right. I was watching it last night and it felt like a show recorded 12 years ago.

[Jodie.]

I’m expecting officials on Monday to bump the ratings up a lot, didn’t BB17’s average get 500k more bc of officials? They are the true test x

[Greg!]

Maybe next year they should have the civilian show straight after January CBB and bc they're obsessed with CBB they can show the second series of that in the summer. That could boost ratings I think.

[Marsh.]

The show is just very tired and its reputation has only gotten worse.

Doesn't matter if the diehards can see things have improved in some aspects, it's still had its day.

[Amy Jade]

People feel manipulated I think, one of my friends who only watches occasionally now used to be an even bigger fan than me, would vote in every eviction and literally stay in all summer and he went off it almost completely during BB14 and BB15. He was raging when Danielle and Toya were kinda rigged out (Toya losing power and Dani well...we know) and then 4 in 4 out pissed him off and he stopp3d watching towards the end of that and we barely talk about BB now :(

[LukeB]

10pm

last years BB did well though?

[Jodie.]

This is my favourite C5 series so far by a mile, maybe just missing out on top 5 ever?

[Gusto Brunt]

The show is just very tired and its reputation has only gotten worse.

Doesn't matter if the diehards can see things have improved in some aspects, it's still had its day.

I admit, the show does look tired. :(

[Rob!]

It's because they just point blank do not listen to viewers. Every year they are told what we want, how we want it and every year they stick two fingers up at the fans that have been there from the start and then wonder why the ratings plummet.

[bots]

It's because they just point blank do not listen to viewers. Every year they are told what we want, how we want it and every year they stick two fingers up at the fans that have been there from the start and then wonder why the ratings plummet.

i think that hits the nail better than anything

[Cal.]

It's because they just point blank do not listen to viewers. Every year they are told what we want, how we want it and every year they stick two fingers up at the fans that have been there from the start and then wonder why the ratings plummet.

This is to true.

Fans want some live feed (not even 24/7 - most would settle for 2 hours a night bless them), normal nominations, a full length series and normal housemates and they go 'Hmm no we'll get more viewers with 24 minutes of live feed a week, a nomination twist every 3 days, cutting the series in half and sticking every person MTV has ever employed in'

[Cal.]

They could literally improve the ratings by some promotion, perhaps some 'normal folk' entering and sticking a couple of hours of live streaming on 5STAR but no that would be too easy - they'll have 'Big Brother: Endgame' where half the housemates get evicted and replaced by even more terrible ones.

[Cal.]

Very likely this series' Armageddon/4 in 4 out/Annihilation/Hell Weekend is happening next Thursday night.

[Samm]

Bbspy would complain if a paramedic went in the hoose to save someone's life cos it's outside contact.

hghfgftg true, "#LoveIsland would of just let her die, and swept it under the cover, #BBUK again breaks the rules, no wonder it's lost its diehard fan base!"

[Jake.]

It's fatigue. It's shocking a reality television show is even in its 18th series

[Vicky.]

This is to true.

Fans want some live feed (not even 24/7 - most would settle for 2 hours a night bless them), normal nominations, a full length series and normal housemates and they go 'Hmm no we'll get more viewers with 24 minutes of live feed a week, a nomination twist every 3 days, cutting the series in half and sticking every person MTV has ever employed in'

Also...pushing showmances down our necks.

If I wanted that I would watch this bloody love island that they are obsessed with apparently.

I actually do not know one person who watches BB for 'romance'. And especially not for sex, that they push for year after year after year :umm2:

[Cal.]

They try and compete with the reality TV shows that are only made BECAUSE of Big Brother. Big Brother WAS the original reality TV show. They should stop trying to be a weird inbred mutated version of Love Island, Ex on the Beach, Geordie Shore, Ibiza Weekender, The Only Way Is Essex and I'm A Celebrity and just be Big Brother. They might not attract the same audience as those shows do - but the numbers will be there eventually once they undo the damage caused in the last 7 years.

[Jason.]

- Lack of promotion
- Inconsistent format/rules
- Influx of reality stars
- Producer meddling
- Unbalanced and out of context editing (too much drama, no fun)
- Outside contact
- No live feed

[Vicky.]

Very likely this series' Armageddon/4 in 4 out/Annihilation/Hell Weekend is happening next Thursday night.

FFS whats this thats happening?

A whole year of normal noms, normal evictions (though I do prefer vote to save, have to admit) and the biggest 'twist' being a double eviction. No 'secret' houses or anything. A newbie ONLY if someone walks. Door opened and people moaning about wanting to leave told to piss off now rather than indulging this ridiculous 'I want to leave' x1000 bull****. Interesting tasks that are NOT 'who said what' stirring types, natural drama is best, **** off with your fake stuff.

Housemates chosen from those who audition is my most wanted though I think. NO agent picked people. None 'invited to audition'.

Live feed instead of the bollocks that is BOTS...or a 24/7 feed online that I would be willing to pay for.

[Cal.]

I do watch BOTS but I don't really see the need for it when the demand isn't even there for the main show.

[y.winter]

Because C5 gave up on this series before it even started - lack of promotion, casting ex RTV stars, 10PM, minimum effort. It's clearly Civ BB's swan song.

[Cal.]

I don't think I'd even miss civilian anymore. I do get excited for it every April/May but we haven't had an actual proper one since 2014.

[Jason.]

It's sad how LI (a show much trashier on paper) is actually more BB than BB is today. They promote their show well, know their format, don't meddle unnecessarily like BB do, have normal people with everyday jobs (surprisingly, they may all be young and good-looking but almost all of them haven't been in the media or on TV prior to the show) and an overall much more balanced and authentic editing.

If BB put half the effort LI do, it wouldn't have such worryingly low ratings.

[Jason.]

I feel BB has become more Americanised ever since Viacom took over with all the trashy reality stars and heavy drama/no fun approach they seem to have.

[T*]

Stupid time slots and the majority of hms bring nothing to the table

[T*]

This is to true.

Fans want some live feed (not even 24/7 - most would settle for 2 hours a night bless them), normal nominations, a full length series and normal housemates and they go 'Hmm no we'll get more viewers with 24 minutes of live feed a week, a nomination twist every 3 days, cutting the series in half and sticking every person MTV has ever employed in'

Tea!

[rusticgal]

Pits just not civilian BB anymore...it's all about people who knock around Z listers and EOTB trash...
Being on at 10 pm doesn't help either.

[sampvt]

bb has too many cheap z listers just like cbb. hardly different

[BB-Germany]

Because Launch ratings were terrible. It was holding up OK and not losing too many viewers but if it's bad to begin with there's not much decrease left.

Shame because it's a good series so far for Channel 5 standards. I just hope they let it roll without too extreme twists like 4 in 4 out.

Maybe officials will push it to a somehow Ok number around 1,2-1,3 average.

I don't really get why some years do better from the get go than others. It doesn't have to do with the quality of the series imo but rather with other influences. I thought last year was gonna tank because of Euro and Olympia, but that did good. It cannot be all because of the quality of the series.

But it's the same with CBB.
CBB16 was arguably on eof the best, but has the lowest rating ever, whereas last summer was doing better even though the series was worse imo.

[Jason.]

Because Launch ratings were terrible. It was holding up OK and not losing too many viewers but if it's bad to begin with there's not much decrease left.

Shame because it's a good series so far for Channel 5 standards. I just hope they let it roll without too extreme twists like 4 in 4 out.

Maybe officials will push it to a somehow Ok number around 1,2-1,3 average.

I don't really get why some years do better from the get go than others. It doesn't have to do with the quality of the series imo but rather with other influences. I thought last year was gonna tank because of Euro and Olympia, but that did good. It cannot be all because of the quality of the series.

But it's the same with CBB.
CBB16 was arguably on eof the best, but has the lowest rating ever, whereas last summer was doing better even though the series was worse imo.

If you think about it, there is a correlation between ratings and series quality on C5

The top 3 highest rated series are BB13, BB14 and BB17 and they're the good ones, whereas BB12, BB15 and BB16 are the lowest rated, all of which are down there as the worst series.

[Cal.]

We've had 2 series' since CBB18 and both have been significantly down in terms of ratings than usual. Hmm.

[Jason.]

CBB's weird in terms of ratings, I think the line-up plays a big part in whether people watch or not. Some people see the line-up and aren't interested so don't bother watching.

[BB-Germany]

If you think about it, there is a correlation between ratings and series quality on C5

The top 3 highest rated series are BB13, BB14 and BB17 and they're the good ones, whereas BB12, BB15 and BB16 are the lowest rated, all of which are down there as the worst series.

Didn'T BB12, 13 and 15 do almost exactly the same?

I get it if a better series is pulling ratings after a few weeks, but this is down from the beginning and it doesn't make sense. 12 and 16 were boring, but there's not much they could possibly change about BB18. It's pretty heated up as it is which is the only thing they know how to artificially create.
I just try to enjoy it without worrying too much. They went with it for 6 years, they hopefully will keep it until BB20.

[Jason.]

Didn'T BB12, 13 and 15 do almost exactly the same?

I get it if a better series is pulling ratings after a few weeks, but this is down from the beginning and it doesn't make sense. 12 and 16 were boring, but there's not much they could possibly change about BB18. It's pretty heated up as it is which is the only thing they know how to artificially create.
I just try to enjoy it without worrying too much. They went with it for 6 years, they hopefully will keep it until BB20.

When rounded they have the same average, but with C5 BB's ratings being so small, the specific figures in a way make a difference lmao.

BB12 averaged 1.55m
BB13 averaged 1.64m
BB15 averaged 1.57m

BB13 was close to averaging 1.7m

[nonstop]

The housemates are trash and the GP are beyond fed up with the so-called "twists".

[Vanessa]

The housemates are trash and the GP are beyond fed up with the so-called "twists".

This! Says a lot that the most popular housemates is the only normal guy and not the loudmouths.

[Buck]

I get it if a better series is pulling ratings after a few weeks, but this is down from the beginning and it doesn't make sense. 12 and 16 were boring, but there's not much they could possibly change about BB18. It's pretty heated up as it is which is the only thing they know how to artificially create.
I just try to enjoy it without worrying too much. They went with it for 6 years, they hopefully will keep it until BB20.
Yep, that's exactly what I'm thinking. I'm wondering why this series is doing so bad in ratings. In my opinion, the mix of housemates is one of the better ones with a lot of diversity (age gap, cultural differences). It's quite entertaining and I haven't been bored yet.

Apart from that, I really can't see the appeal of Love Island. All the contestants look the same. You only see lads with sixpacks and stereotypical beach babes. Where's the diversity in age and look? Are the viewers not interested in seeing different types of people? I'm glad that BB also includes housemates that don't only care about their looks. You wouldn't see a contestant like Raph on LI.

btw: Nice to see that there is another BBUK viewer from Germany on this forum. Köln grüßt Trier. :wavey:

[Captain.Remy]

They don't care about viewers. They simply don't listen.
If they want to go for "reality tv rejects" and scripted drama, might as well tape the show 2 months in advance and broadcast it.

But then again, BB will always remain BB in my heart. Die hard fan forever.

[Glenn-C]

Bbspy would complain if a paramedic went in the hoose to save someone's life cos it's outside contact.

Not bbspy letting Jayne die if they were in charge

[supertv247]

I think the same problems the show has been having for a few years have just escalated this year and spilled out to the general public. Before now it was mostly just the fans complaining about the twists, the rule braking (outside contact and no format etc) but now, way more than ever, the general public have also had enough and literally everyone is done with the reality casting and messy format.

This series isn't even boring or bad like 16 was, they've just made so many mistakes with it. I literally think the only way they could get viewers back next series would be to completely go back to basics, LISTEN to the audience and actually promote it as going back to basics with normal people etc. I don't think there is any way to 'save' this series, they just need to clean up their act and hope ratings rise slightly and stabilise.

[armand.kay]

there's 3 shows a year its just ****ing overkill.

[jyunga]

Too much BB, ****ty cast, etc.

[armand.kay]

They deserve this for completely ignoring their fans since 2012, how long have we been asking for live feed? How much have we emphasised on the importance of advertising? Why haven't we got the series that isn't manipulated by producers that we've been asking for? They've sold out the loyal fans for the fickle GP and its backfired.

http://68.media.tumblr.com/31618a57f5b529eaf6c0cf6750b3453f/tumblr_onk98y4SXq1v9roxto8_250.gif

[Greg!]

It's already been said here but all they need to do to get ratings up is have normal everyday people in the lineup, have a consistent format with one or two twists, literally have an hour or two of live feed a night (which increased press coverage and ratings for BB14) and have decent tasks. But every single series they do the complete bloody opposite of what everyone wants. And they also need to axe summer CBB. In fact I kind of hope C5 axes the whole thing when the contract runs out so that another channel can revive it in a couple of years and treat it properly.

[T*]

They deserve this for completely ignoring their fans since 2012, how long have we been asking for live feed? How much have we emphasised on the importance of advertising? Why haven't we got the series that isn't manipulated by producers that we've been asking for? They've sold out the loyal fans for the fickle GP and its backfired.

http://68.media.tumblr.com/31618a57f5b529eaf6c0cf6750b3453f/tumblr_onk98y4SXq1v9roxto8_250.gif

:clap1:

[supertv247]

GJ96 just posted a very plausible theory on twitter lol

channel 5 are making it unsellable. Final series, low ratings, angry fans, no interest = no one else wanting to buy it meaning no competition for them in a bidding war to keep it

[Glenn.]

It's stale.

[T*]

GJ96 just posted a very plausible theory on twitter lol

channel 5 are making it unsellable. Final series, low ratings, angry fans, no interest = no one else wanting to buy it meaning no competition for them in a bidding war to keep it

That would mean no one would want it INCLUDING them if they give it the hug of death so idk

In an ideal world, C5 would put it to bed now and in a few or more years C4 would revive their BB like they have been reviving old shows, give it a lot of marketing as it coming back home and everything to restore its glory but that's very unlikely unfortunately

[Tregard]

Show is running on fumes, plus the launch was dismal

[Daniel-X]

Think it's a combination of the rise of LI's popularity, the piss poor production of the show and the late time slots.

[King Gizzard]

Apparently it's not really an issue but I see a lot more people talking about Love Island on all of social media accounts.

[Vicky.]

Yep, that's exactly what I'm thinking. I'm wondering why this series is doing so bad in ratings. In my opinion, the mix of housemates is one of the better ones with a lot of diversity (age gap, cultural differences). It's quite entertaining and I haven't been bored yet.

Apart from that, I really can't see the appeal of Love Island. All the contestants look the same. You only see lads with sixpacks and stereotypical beach babes. Where's the diversity in age and look? Are the viewers not interested in seeing different types of people? I'm glad that BB also includes housemates that don't only care about their looks. You wouldn't see a contestant like Raph on LI.

btw: Nice to see that there is another BBUK viewer from Germany on this forum. Köln grüßt Trier. :wavey:
Yes they are. Unfortunately all the producers seem to want is people to shag on TV. Thus they throw a load of model-types who love themselves and claim they will get pissed and shag anything in. And are disappointed year after year.

FFS the obsession with showmances and sex is unreal. Showmances are boring plus its not like they are going to get someone who shags on the kitchen table or anything. You can never see owt when they do it and its just gross to watch anyway tbh. Mind, if Marco and Laura had stayed together longer than the few days they had, I do think they would have been shagging all over the house infront of the other housemates...

[LukeB]

Todays episode is the reason

[Jason.]

^

[Maxxie.]

it should be 1 CBB + 1 BB a year kmt

other than that idk bc this series has been really good

I've been saying that for years but I think we're finally at a point where lets face it, if they were gonna only have 2 series a year, than two CBB's would be better for c5.