Youth turnout - how labourites fell for fake news

[Brillopad]

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/youth-turnout-how-labourites-fell-for-fake-news/19958

Interesting and ironic. :joker:

[user104658]

"Trump! Brexit! Feminism! Free Speech!"

Wherever do you find such hard-hitting journalism, Brillo. I was shook to my core by this well-written, thoroughly researched piece, I have to say.

[MTVN]

tbf if that 59% figure is right then it's an increase from 44% which is still pretty significant and will have had a big impact

[Scarlett.]

Ah yeah, the amazing well known journalistic site of spiked-online.com

[Vicky.]

Oh. Turns out Labour didn't only get votes from stupid easily led students wanting free sweeties then. Thats a shock...not

Still, youth vote is up which is fantastic.

[Kizzy]

Is this ageism? Switched on intelligent young adults contemplating their future in this country demonised? :nono:

[Mystic Mock]

Is this ageism? Switched on intelligent young adults contemplating their future in this country demonised? :nono:

We can't win with some of the Gen-X.

[Brillopad]

"Trump! Brexit! Feminism! Free Speech!"

Wherever do you find such hard-hitting journalism, Brillo. I was shook to my core by this well-written, thoroughly researched piece, I have to say.

The figures came from YouGov - a site whose figures/charts have been quoted by many from the Labour camp on here. Either they are legitimate or they aren't - you can't just accept them when they suit.

[user104658]

The figures came from YouGov - a site whose figures/charts have been quoted by many from the Labour camp on here. Either they are legitimate or they aren't - you can't just accept them when they suit.
I didn't say anything about the figures, I was just lamenting whichever horrible angry little trog wrote the article :joker:

[Northern Monkey]

Yeah that was apparently an inaccurate figure.The media jumped on it way too quick.

[Tom4784]

Is this ageism? Switched on intelligent young adults contemplating their future in this country demonised? :nono:

Unless they vote in the way the old generations want them to! Democracy indeed.

[smudgie]

The more people voting the better, whoever it is and whoever it is for.

[user104658]

Oh. Turns out Labour didn't only get votes from stupid easily led students wanting free sweeties then.

:joker: Not Brillo accidentally posting something that invalidates her own argument in every other thread.

[the truth]

They violently attack anyone who disagrees with them..bunch of violent radical hypocrites

[Tregard]

I have no idea why the " youth" wants to stick hundreds of billions on top of the 17 thousand billion dept we already have. They are the ones who are going to have to pay it back. Presumably they will default and head in the same direction as utopian Venesuela. How progressive. Could it be that like all "youth" throughout history they are gullible, stupid and easily led by the nose to their doom. Of course the most pampered, fat, cushioned generation in world history wont be able to cope when it all goes pete tong.Dont support euthanasia as you will probably be signing your own death warrant.

Comment by an individual who was born 34 years old

[Withano]

I never actually thought the youth alone were going to swing the vote, there was a lot of parents, and a lot of elderly that seemed to be voting Labour too. Its great knowing the young vs old divide isnt as prominent as before. Im curious to see whether the parties will do more to bridge the education divide in the next election... that seemed to be the strongest predictor this time round.

[Jack_]

The figures came from YouGov - a site whose figures/charts have been quoted by many from the Labour camp on here. Either they are legitimate or they aren't - you can't just accept them when they suit.

I pointed out that the youth turnout figures weren't as originally reported, and indeed not as crucial to Labour's unexpected performance in this post:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9357871&postcount=38

You spent several days denigrating the young for voting for 'freebies', then when I pointed out that actually according to YouGov's analysis, the majority of those under 50 voted for Labour, you argued that these figures couldn't possibly be correct and no one could know. And now you're using those very figures - that I've already drawn attention to and you've criticised - to accuse 'Labourites' (this isn't even a thing) of falling for 'fake news'. Make your mind up.

Again, does anyone on this forum read people's posts properly?

[Crimson Dynamo]

how does one account for Canterbury?

[Jack_]

how does one account for Canterbury?

University city, voted to remain, solid ground game coupled with Tory complacency

[MTVN]

I never actually thought the youth alone were going to swing the vote, there was a lot of parents, and a lot of elderly that seemed to be voting Labour too. Its great knowing the young vs old divide isnt as prominent as before. Im curious to see whether the parties will do more to bridge the education divide in the next election... that seemed to be the strongest predictor this time round.

That isn't really the case though, Yougov's figures show that age is still very much the dividing factor and possible more now than before

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCNyMMAXcAEnoDb.jpg:large

[user104658]

That isn't really the case though, Yougov's figures show that age is still very much the dividing factor and possible more now than before

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCNyMMAXcAEnoDb.jpg:large
Yes but a crossover age of FORTY SEVEN hardly suggests its all "students looking for freebies"... Surely.

[MTVN]

Yes but a crossover age of FORTY SEVEN hardly suggests its all "students looking for freebies"... Surely.

I don't think anyone would say it was all that but the scale of support for Labour amongst young voters clearly was a big factor in this election. Look how different it is to 2015

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2015-06-08/est-age.png

[Crimson Dynamo]

youthful hope and the reality of age

its usually around 30 you realise that life is unfair, people are out for themselves, you have bills to pay and people rely on you, business runs the UK not governments and what you are now is probably what you will be

so you start to vote more for yourself rather than try to change what you cannot

lol

[user104658]

youthful hope and the reality of age

its usually around 30 you realise that life is unfair, people are out for themselves, you have bills to pay and people rely on you, business runs the UK not governments and what you are now is probably what you will be

so you start to vote more for yourself rather than try to change what you cannot

lol
Are you calling Tory voters selfish LT? :nono:

Also any business owner who votes in favour of austerity is... Err... An idiot. Directly voting to take money out of the pockets of his customers. Utterly daft.

[Kizzy]

Unless they vote in the way the old generations want them to! Democracy indeed.

Don't you bloody start! I'm an old generation remember :laugh:

[user104658]

Don't you bloody start! I'm an old generation remember [emoji23]
Aren't you a GenX Kizzy? We all know it's the Boomers we have to really watch out for :suspect:.

[Kizzy]

Aren't you a GenX Kizzy? We all know it's the Boomers we have to really watch out for :suspect:.

Ah right :fist:

[user104658]

The Silent Generation too. Dodgy characters.

[user104658]

And not that silent tbh. Rather opinionated :hmph:

[James]

I don't think anyone would say it was all that but the scale of support for Labour amongst young voters clearly was a big factor in this election. Look how different it is to 2015

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2015-06-08/est-age.png

That's got to be the effect of the EU referendum.

It's kind of ironic though the switch to Labour in the vote, in that Corbyn is a left-wing eurosceptic who is likely against free trade and single markets.

[Brillopad]

"Trump! Brexit! Feminism! Free Speech!"

Wherever do you find such hard-hitting journalism, Brillo. I was shook to my core by this well-written, thoroughly researched piece, I have to say.

Just because you don't approve of the source doesn't make it invalid. It is a perfectly reasonable source and it comes as no surprise that his points on the irony of Labourites becoming the victims of their own hype doesn't sit well with Labourites.

[MTVN]

That's got to be the effect of the EU referendum.

It's kind of ironic though the switch to Labour in the vote, in that Corbyn is a left-wing eurosceptic who is likely against free trade and single markets.

Yes those who went Labour as an anti-Brexit vote should remember how half hearted and turgid Corbyn support for Remain was. He obviously can campaign and mobilise a lot of support as he did in the general election, he just didn't really fancy it for the EU referendum. If he had he might have swung the vote to Remain

[user104658]

Yes those who went Labour as an anti-Brexit vote should remember how half hearted and turgid Corbyn support for Remain was. He obviously can campaign and mobilise a lot of support as he did in the general election, he just didn't really fancy it for the EU referendum. If he had he might have swung the vote to Remain
True, we often forget how passionately Theresa May campaigned for Leave.

[Kizzy]

Yes those who went Labour as an anti-Brexit vote should remember how half hearted and turgid Corbyn support for Remain was. He obviously can campaign and mobilise a lot of support as he did in the general election, he just didn't really fancy it for the EU referendum. If he had he might have swung the vote to Remain

What makes you think his campaigning was turgid?...He campaigned as hard as anyone didn't he?

"Jeremy led from the front in the EU referendum campaign. He made the positive case for remaining and reforming the EU up and down the country.

"His activity included:

10 EU rallies, with speeches and meetings in London, Bristol, Stroud, Newquay, Perranporth, Cardiff, Blackpool, Bournemouth, Liverpool, Runcorn, Manchester, Truro, Sheffield, Widnes, Doncaster, Rotherham, Hastings, Brighton, Dundee, Aberdeen and Birmingham.
These included a meeting with student nurses in Birmingham, a factory in Runcorn, a clean beaches event in Truro and campaigning with activists in Scotland.

Launched the Labour In bus and the Ad Van.

A debate on Sky News with Faisal Islam, also talked about the EU on the Agenda and the Last Leg. Appeared on the Andrew Marr show twice and on Peston on Sunday.

Written two op-eds, one in the Observer and another in The Mirror.
Reached more than 10 million people on social media.

Six statements to the House of Commons and 10 PMQs on the EU.

He has been consistent on this issue from day one of his leadership, issuing a statement in September that “Labour will be campaigning in the referendum for the UK to stay in the European Union”."

Is there a similar breakdown for Cameron or May?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-really-give-122-8617013

[user104658]

Cameron et al. sat on their hands too... The fact is, the entire remain camp was complacent, they just didn't believe that the leave vote was a realistic possibility, so none of them campaigned as hard as they could have.