View Full Version : 10:30PM Ch5HD Big Brother Discussion Mon.19/6/17
arista
19-06-2017, 06:02 PM
Half hour later due to "extra"
long 90min docu , before it
http://static6.tellymixcdn.com/ts/800/450/www.tellymix.co.uk/files/2017/06/BB_RebeccaB3.jpg
Shut Your Gob
arista
19-06-2017, 09:01 PM
On Ch5HD and Ch5 in 30mins
Wizard.
19-06-2017, 09:03 PM
What a weird time
EspeonBB
19-06-2017, 09:14 PM
wtf why is it on at half 10
And C5 are wondering why it's flopping in the ratings
https://i.imgur.com/dsUZVTy.gif
y.winter
19-06-2017, 09:17 PM
Meanwhile in C5's HQ: "Do you feel like broadcasting BB tonight? "Ummm oh yeah I've forgotten about it, what time is it? Well we should keep the hedgehog docu for tomorrow and put BB to fill the gap now"
hijaxers
19-06-2017, 09:23 PM
Funny thing is I doubt its worth waiting for ! Not if its anything like last nights trout of a show.
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:24 PM
Couldn't they put this doc on the weekend
https://i.imgur.com/dsUZVTy.gif
arista
19-06-2017, 09:31 PM
On Now
Epic.
19-06-2017, 09:31 PM
YAY
Epic.
19-06-2017, 09:32 PM
Of course the first time Marcus does anything close to a "PREVIOUSLY" this season it relates to Lotan/Ellie
Amy Jade
19-06-2017, 09:32 PM
Keiran is scum
JTM45
19-06-2017, 09:32 PM
Love people's un-selfish attitudes, considering the devastating subject of the documentary.
Epic.
19-06-2017, 09:32 PM
END HIM, Rebecca
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:33 PM
Rebecca :love:
"I'm not an insane bunny boiler but I'm not well I am"
Me
Wizard.
19-06-2017, 09:33 PM
Joe pulling am Erika Jayne
EspeonBB
19-06-2017, 09:33 PM
I miss Sukhvinder
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:34 PM
Love people's un-selfish attitudes, considering the devastating subject of the documentary.
no one is being un selfish at all. 10:30 is not a good time
Greg!
19-06-2017, 09:34 PM
Looks good tonight :clap1:
Adamw92
19-06-2017, 09:34 PM
Can we not with more Ellie/Lotan screentime??
Epic.
19-06-2017, 09:34 PM
Ellie is Josie without the charisma
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:34 PM
I miss Sukhvinder
Me too :(
JTM45
19-06-2017, 09:34 PM
I miss Sukhvinder
Me too........sooooooo much!:love:
A mess at Ellie throwing up in her sleep
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:35 PM
A mess at Ellie throwing up in her sleep
A you tea?
Lostie!
19-06-2017, 09:35 PM
Can we not with more Ellie/Lotan screentime??
The puddle of vomit on her bed is more interesting.
Amy Jade
19-06-2017, 09:35 PM
Joe pulling am Erika Jayne
He could never.
Glenn-C
19-06-2017, 09:35 PM
Was Rebecca not in the bed beside her and everything :omgno:
Adamw92
19-06-2017, 09:35 PM
The puddle of vomit on her bed is more interesting.
It actually is :laugh:
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:36 PM
back in the day they didn't get a lot of alcohol like they do now.
Adamw92
19-06-2017, 09:36 PM
back in the day they didn't get a lot of alcohol like they do now.
Back in the day they didn't get a party just because they asked for one either.
Me when I'm drunk around Marsh
Ross.
19-06-2017, 09:37 PM
Honestly why is Ellie/Lotan an accurate representation of me and Lostie's relationship
Amy Jade
19-06-2017, 09:37 PM
back in the day they didn't get a lot of alcohol like they do now.
They did!
In BB2 Kate was pissed when she won :laugh2:
hijaxers
19-06-2017, 09:37 PM
Lotan makes me wanna chunder
Brother Leon
19-06-2017, 09:37 PM
Shame Ellie won't be up. She needs to go. This story is boring me to tears.
Lostie!
19-06-2017, 09:37 PM
Honestly why is Ellie/Lotan an accurate representation of me and Lostie's relationship
You're the sick?
EspeonBB
19-06-2017, 09:37 PM
Charlotte airtime :o
Epic.
19-06-2017, 09:38 PM
Charlotte is hilarious when given enough airtime
Amy Jade
19-06-2017, 09:38 PM
Nicky will be fumed his faves being classless talking about dicq?
Brother Leon
19-06-2017, 09:38 PM
Raph been to Tenerife and back it looks like.
Glenn-C
19-06-2017, 09:38 PM
Channelle rubbing off on Raph :love:
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:38 PM
Back in the day they didn't get a party just because they asked for one either.
I think last nights party was the only party that was for something that you should have a party for
My perfectness for Raph continues to grow
Daniel-X
19-06-2017, 09:39 PM
Wow did anyone just see Kate Moss in the kitchen?
bye two cute lil scenes then suddenly back to this storyline
Adamw92
19-06-2017, 09:39 PM
Less Lotan, more Chanelle please.
Greg!
19-06-2017, 09:39 PM
Ellie and Lotan are both trash
Vanessa
19-06-2017, 09:39 PM
Charlotte and Raph saucy talk :creep:
Lostie!
19-06-2017, 09:39 PM
Oh shut the **** up jesus christ
EspeonBB
19-06-2017, 09:40 PM
Ellie needs to go, she's so tragic
Epic.
19-06-2017, 09:40 PM
Elleh is creepeh
Drew.
19-06-2017, 09:40 PM
Ellie has confirmed her status as one of the worst ever housemates
Daniel-X
19-06-2017, 09:40 PM
The thing is though Ellie would be amazing if Lotan wasn't in here :(
Amy Jade
19-06-2017, 09:41 PM
The **** was that?
Kazanne
19-06-2017, 09:41 PM
LOL @ Rebecca
Ellie is tragic but I still like her a lot more than Lotan
Epic.
19-06-2017, 09:41 PM
The thing is though Ellie would be amazing if Lotan wasn't in here :(
I worry she'd just cling to Tom next tbh if Lotan left
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:41 PM
Elleh is creepeh
:joker:
She can stay for now. Tom/Joe can go before her.
Adamw92
19-06-2017, 09:41 PM
I think last nights party was the only party that was for something that you should have a party for
Ahh the good 'ol days.
Greg!
19-06-2017, 09:41 PM
Um at the random man in the bathroom
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:42 PM
Ahh the good 'ol days.
now if you pop a balloon you get a party
Um at the random man in the bathroom
Me
Oh shut the **** up jesus christ
Me at the last supper when Jesus wouldn't stop going on about his trip to Rome
Ross.
19-06-2017, 09:44 PM
You're the sick?
Excuse me
JTM45
19-06-2017, 09:44 PM
Ellie refusing to just accept her innapropriatness (sp?).
Greg!
19-06-2017, 09:44 PM
Wow Sue's analysis on point yet again!
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Also I can't at her having a blue tick simply for being on Big Brother for 5 minutes. A true legend :clap1:
Epic.
19-06-2017, 09:45 PM
Why is one of my favorites and one of my least favorites doing a secret task
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:45 PM
Why has Kieran got a man bun.. ew
Glenn-C
19-06-2017, 09:45 PM
Wow Sue's analysis on point yet again!
876917812727599104
Also I can't at her having a blue tick simply for being on Big Brother for 5 minutes. A true legend :clap1:
Perched for her return
Epic.
19-06-2017, 09:45 PM
Kieran robbed Raph of doing this with Chanelle
Daniel-X
19-06-2017, 09:46 PM
Mess I thought Rebecca said 'nuns' I was like hmmm how are they going to hide a grown woman with a black cloak over her
Oh I actually love this task
Lostie!
19-06-2017, 09:47 PM
Me at the last supper when Jesus wouldn't stop going on about his trip to Rome
:joker:
Excuse me
You heard / read.
JTM45
19-06-2017, 09:48 PM
I thought Rebecca said ''nuns''.:laugh:
Epic.
19-06-2017, 09:48 PM
"I put it in my pANTS!" :love:
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:49 PM
Raph's looking so orange
I love how they edited out how he got orange.
Charlote's rare moments are iconic
JTM45
19-06-2017, 09:49 PM
Nicky wants that pants gnome!
I love how they edited out how he got orange.
Nicola gave him a spraytan?
Daniel-X
19-06-2017, 09:50 PM
It seems like the producers learned from their mistakes last week and gave us more Chanelle :love: (still not enough mind)
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:50 PM
Nicola gave him a spraytan?
Not her secret visit
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:50 PM
It seems like the producers learned from their mistakes last week and gave us more Chanelle :love: (still not enough mind)
But they are giving us more Kieran too :(
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:51 PM
All this Charlotte air time.
Not her secret visit
OR Raph's secret exit?!
I am howling at this task :laugh2:
Epic.
19-06-2017, 09:51 PM
Tom it's nowhere near as big as you, I'm like actually losing brain cells...
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:51 PM
OR Raph's secret exit?!
here for Raph to expose them when he's out.
Adamw92
19-06-2017, 09:51 PM
:laugh3:
finally emma's rotting corpse has been found!
Epic.
19-06-2017, 09:52 PM
Chanelle's ****ing giggles!!! :love: :love: :love:
Daniel-X
19-06-2017, 09:52 PM
AHHHHHHHHHH idjdkfkfodkodfo
Someone gif Chanelle walking in and seeing him PLEASE
Brother Leon
19-06-2017, 09:52 PM
Kieran jumping :joker:
Amy Jade
19-06-2017, 09:52 PM
This is the best task this year :laugh:
Epic.
19-06-2017, 09:53 PM
This is 1000000x better than the 43453452 "Who Said What?" tasks
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:53 PM
:joker: this task is hilarious
Epic.
19-06-2017, 09:53 PM
Someone gif Chanelle running away from the gnome
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:54 PM
Someone gif Chanelle running away from the gnome
I will when my gif thing is working again.
Glenn-C
19-06-2017, 09:54 PM
I swear he looks like Simon Gross
JTM45
19-06-2017, 09:54 PM
Jiggling:laugh:
I swear he looks like Simon Gross
-rips off beard-
SHOWBIZ
Epic.
19-06-2017, 09:55 PM
HAHAHAHAHA Lotan that was actually pretty funny
Drew.
19-06-2017, 09:55 PM
Tom made that look so unrealistic
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:55 PM
Screaming at Rebecca
Epic.
19-06-2017, 09:55 PM
-rips off beard-
SHOWBIZ
-enjoys 10,000 nightmares-
Kazanne
19-06-2017, 09:56 PM
LOL,@ Rebecca she nearly shat herself
Daniel-X
19-06-2017, 09:56 PM
Ugh Chanelle did that? (some fan assisted her with the task but idkher)
Lostie!
19-06-2017, 09:57 PM
Fake arguments are always cringey as ****
Apart from Karissa and Kristina's, that was hysterical.
Epic.
19-06-2017, 09:57 PM
The gnome needs to be one of the new housemates ASAP
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:57 PM
Not chico
Vanessa
19-06-2017, 09:57 PM
I'm liking this task. Everyone was involved. Brilliant!
Amy Jade
19-06-2017, 09:57 PM
From that high to more Lotan and Ellie :(
Daniel-X
19-06-2017, 09:57 PM
Nothing can ever top Stephanie's fake rant and John still being pressed over a bit of milk on the worktops
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:57 PM
That song was so catchy
hijaxers
19-06-2017, 09:57 PM
It seems like the producers learned from their mistakes last week and gave us more Chanelle :love: (still not enough mind)
There's more than enough across the beam there :joker:
Epic.
19-06-2017, 09:58 PM
Chanelle's ****ing laugh! :joker:
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:58 PM
I hope Chanelle talks louder to annoy Lotan
LukeB
19-06-2017, 09:58 PM
Lotan has been a right moody dick for two days now.
chanelle's voice leaving the entire house SHOOK :love:
"His is insured for 12 mil"
-awkward silence-
Amy Jade
19-06-2017, 09:59 PM
Chanelle enjoys herself innocently and theyre fumed?
Epic.
19-06-2017, 09:59 PM
"Does anyone want to just get ****ing ****ed" ~tom
what
messs joe and the sisters are best friends?
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:00 PM
Joe "I will never be rude to her" yikes why lie
Epic.
19-06-2017, 10:00 PM
MESS Joe compliments the sisters and they shade him
Daniel-X
19-06-2017, 10:00 PM
Chanelle is truly channelling my favourite of all time
I mean it KIND of explains why Joe flips at Rebecca's comment but not really
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:00 PM
The sisters and Raph clocking Joe :clap2:
EspeonBB
19-06-2017, 10:01 PM
mess @ Joe gushing about the sisters and then the next scene they're bitching about him :joker:
Lostie!
19-06-2017, 10:01 PM
messs joe and the sisters are best friends?
In his head at least
Epic.
19-06-2017, 10:01 PM
The sisters and Raph clocking Kieran and Tom :clap2:
raph KNOWS to stick with the ethic housemates
How did Joe break is wrist? Why do I care?
Vanessa
19-06-2017, 10:03 PM
This alliance is iconic :worship:
jennyfromtheblock8
19-06-2017, 10:03 PM
New housemates this Friday please
Greg!
19-06-2017, 10:04 PM
New housemates this Friday please
They're coming tomorrow :)
hijaxers
19-06-2017, 10:04 PM
How did Joe break is wrist? Why do I care?
Probably arm wrestled himself - he's ard ya know :joker:
jennyfromtheblock8
19-06-2017, 10:04 PM
They're coming tomorrow :)
Oh wow
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:05 PM
How did Joe break is wrist? Why do I care?
I love a who dunnit storyline
Lostie!
19-06-2017, 10:06 PM
I love a who dunnit storyline
Stop trying to be me
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:06 PM
Stop trying to be me
Why would i want to be a sociopath? (i have not called you that in ages)
Daniel-X
19-06-2017, 10:07 PM
They're coming tomorrow :)
Omg are they acc?
How did Joe break is wrist? Why do I care?
Mascara-related incident?
Daniel-X
19-06-2017, 10:08 PM
'A volunteer' :)
Rebecca: :)
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:08 PM
Omg are they acc?
yeah
3 girls come in tomorrow for a dating task and only 2 get to stay as housemates.
Epic.
19-06-2017, 10:08 PM
I feel like Joe might be bi
Drew.
19-06-2017, 10:08 PM
ERM
JTM45
19-06-2017, 10:08 PM
Chanelle in that top! Welcome to the pleasure domes.:pipe:
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:08 PM
I feel like Joe might be bi
he so wanted to do something.
Glenn-C
19-06-2017, 10:08 PM
Rebecca wishes she was Joe
Daniel-X
19-06-2017, 10:09 PM
yeah
3 girls come in tomorrow for a dating task and only 2 get to stay as housemates.
:love:
Mind you they'll probably be crap besides like one
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:09 PM
"it's hard" stop lying
EspeonBB
19-06-2017, 10:09 PM
yeah
3 girls come in tomorrow for a dating task and only 2 get to stay as housemates.
BB morphing into Love Island?
I love a who dunnit storyline
Who Shot Mr uh... whatrver Joe's last name is
Epic.
19-06-2017, 10:09 PM
"it's hard" stop lying
Urgh they couldn't just let them have fun
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:10 PM
Rebecca not giving a **** :love:
:love:
Mind you they'll probably be crap besides like one
BB18 launch night teas
Greg!
19-06-2017, 10:10 PM
Omg are they acc?
Yeah there's three gals coming in for a Blind Date task and the boys have to choose two of them to become housemates. Trash I know!
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:10 PM
"it's hard" stop lying
"it's hard" stop lying
not you copying me
Epic.
19-06-2017, 10:10 PM
Joe is being evicted this Thursday, BOOKMARK it
Amy Jade
19-06-2017, 10:10 PM
Deb :clap1:
EspeonBB
19-06-2017, 10:10 PM
I'm gonna be mad if Debbie goes this week
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:11 PM
BB morphing into Love Island?
:joker: it's so obvious they are since they are doing really well in ratings.
Epic.
19-06-2017, 10:11 PM
not you copying me
xECUrlnXCqk
Drew.
19-06-2017, 10:11 PM
Joe speaks as if he runs the house its so ****ing annoying
Epic.
19-06-2017, 10:11 PM
Joe is getting the karma at last :clap1:
Daniel-X
19-06-2017, 10:11 PM
Joe gets soooo rude in arguments I'd proper lose my temper if I argued with him
arista
19-06-2017, 10:12 PM
Joe - miserable fecker
I hope hannah murders Keiran :clap1:
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:12 PM
I hope Joe gets evicted
ah shut the **** up ellie
jennyfromtheblock8
19-06-2017, 10:12 PM
Age does not bring wisdom as Joe demonstrates
Epic.
19-06-2017, 10:12 PM
I hope Joe gets evicted
He 95% will if it's VTS
I hope Joe goes. I can't even be attracted ti him his tangerine ass is annoying
arista
19-06-2017, 10:13 PM
I hope Joe gets evicted
yes maybe next week
Has Joe done anything but be like this since he walked in?
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:13 PM
He 95% will if it's VTS
Wouldn't that be glorious :flutter: save the sisters evict Joe
Epic.
19-06-2017, 10:13 PM
Rebecca cLOCKING :clap2:
Amy Jade
19-06-2017, 10:13 PM
Raph, Ellie, Tom and Charlotte should have told him he was being uncool
Epic.
19-06-2017, 10:13 PM
Rebecca is climbing up my faves FAST
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:14 PM
Why didn't Kieran stick up for her :s he is meant to be her friend..clearly not
I can't see Joe surviving whichever way the vote is when he's up
channy and sisters <3 final 3
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:14 PM
Rebecca is climbing up my faves FAST
Mine too (again)
Ive stanned Rebecca since day 3 why am I not in her fanclub yet :(
jennyfromtheblock8
19-06-2017, 10:14 PM
Joe is like an unwrapped mummy
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:14 PM
awkward silence.
jennyfromtheblock8
19-06-2017, 10:14 PM
Akward!
Kazanne
19-06-2017, 10:14 PM
Oh awkward
Epic.
19-06-2017, 10:15 PM
Rebecca's wine sip omg :love: :love: :love:
EspeonBB
19-06-2017, 10:15 PM
Joe hasn't even apologized to her
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:15 PM
Joe lying :joker:
Amy Jade
19-06-2017, 10:15 PM
He did say her smile irritated him daft git
Drew.
19-06-2017, 10:15 PM
Go on Rebecca
Greg!
19-06-2017, 10:15 PM
Rebecca is iconic
Kazanne
19-06-2017, 10:15 PM
Joe is a shrivelled up left knacker
Joe just goaded her and Kieran is a ****ing piece of wallpaper
Epic.
19-06-2017, 10:15 PM
Go AWN, Rebecca! :clap1: :clap1: :clap1:
I shouldve known Rebecca would be a queen when she shares the mug of Nicola McClean
Daniel-X
19-06-2017, 10:16 PM
YASSSSSSS REBECCA COME ON GURRRRRRr :love:
Amy Jade
19-06-2017, 10:16 PM
I'll bet his daughter is utterly ashamed.
jennyfromtheblock8
19-06-2017, 10:16 PM
Joe is an old **** bag
Lostie!
19-06-2017, 10:16 PM
Kieran is embarrassingly weak
Epic.
19-06-2017, 10:16 PM
END BOTH OF EM, Rebecca :clap1: :clap1:
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:16 PM
Kieran :umm2:
Rebecca didn't do anything wrong
Owen19
19-06-2017, 10:16 PM
She said nothing bad about his daughter!
Greg!
19-06-2017, 10:16 PM
Bit aggressive Rebecca
Drew.
19-06-2017, 10:16 PM
The males this series bar Raph are vile
Epic.
19-06-2017, 10:16 PM
"Well done Joe *claps extremely sarcastic* " :love: :love:
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:16 PM
She didn't :s
EspeonBB
19-06-2017, 10:16 PM
I mean she didn't say anything bad about his daughter so...
"Back away from me now" I love how in power Rebecca is <3
Adamw92
19-06-2017, 10:17 PM
MESS. I love it :laugh:
Amy Jade
19-06-2017, 10:17 PM
Keiran is a ****ing idiot
jennyfromtheblock8
19-06-2017, 10:17 PM
Kieran is a tosser and she said nothing about his daughter
Epic.
19-06-2017, 10:17 PM
Bit aggressive Rebecca
Deserved because Kieran and Joe are being utter scum
Lostie!
19-06-2017, 10:18 PM
"I just had a go at both of you"
Lmao no you didn't you wanker
Brother Leon
19-06-2017, 10:18 PM
Aggressive woman. *No Hannah*
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:18 PM
Rebecca to get Joe evicted? :flutter:
Greg!
19-06-2017, 10:18 PM
"Why am I shouting? Cos I'm fookin fumin!" :laugh2:
Daniel-X
19-06-2017, 10:18 PM
Wow REBECCA :love::clap1:
She's ICONIC
Amy Jade
19-06-2017, 10:18 PM
Yes Bec! Drag them all!
EspeonBB
19-06-2017, 10:18 PM
Hmm Bex dragging all my least faves
I'm here for her!
Epic.
19-06-2017, 10:18 PM
Awh no Rebecca :( :( :(
"Why am I shouting? Cos I'm fookin fumin!" :laugh2:
I love mark byron
hijaxers
19-06-2017, 10:18 PM
Joe - miserable fecker
He's very intimidating and Kieron - Rebecca dump yer mate darlin Its out for itself
Epic.
19-06-2017, 10:19 PM
Rebecca finalist lock confirmed???
Adamw92
19-06-2017, 10:19 PM
Rebecca finally got interesting!
Nick.
19-06-2017, 10:19 PM
I mean this is no #deaddaughtergate but it's still amusing
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:19 PM
Rebecca finalist lock confirmed???
I hope so.
Raph/Sisters/Chanelle and Rebecca :love:
Amy Jade
19-06-2017, 10:19 PM
Bex, Hannah and Deb tonight >
starry
19-06-2017, 10:20 PM
Rebecca finally got interesting!
The only thing that seems to interest most on here is boring sex talk.
jennyfromtheblock8
19-06-2017, 10:20 PM
Kieron was never her friend he just liked the attention of an older woman.
Rebecca vs Joe is Nicola vs Kim except Joe is utter scum and Kim was like god tier
Niamh.
19-06-2017, 10:20 PM
Aggressive woman. *No Hannah*
[emoji23] Hannah and Deborah are the calmest girls in there and Charlotte
I screamed at Becky's 'back away from me now!!'
Once again, Joe ****ing sucks, and Kieran is just a pleb
Wizard.
19-06-2017, 10:21 PM
Rebecca is so much more likeable now Kayleigh's gone
Epic.
19-06-2017, 10:21 PM
Rebecca vs Joe is Nicola vs Kim except Joe is utter scum and Kim was like god tier
Not to be rude but never compare Kim to scum again
"Scum scum scum; we don't mix with it we wash it down the sink"
this will save her if she's up :clap1:
Vanessa
19-06-2017, 10:21 PM
kieron is a snake. going against rebecca, because he doesn't want to upset the clique. spineless! :fist:
Glenn-C
19-06-2017, 10:22 PM
Not my mum taking Joe's side
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:22 PM
this will save her if she's up :clap1:
:fc: she's going to be hated so i'm glad it's VTS if this saves her
Adamw92
19-06-2017, 10:22 PM
Can we have a Rebecca vs Joe head-to-head eviction instead please?
LukeB
19-06-2017, 10:23 PM
Kieran used Rebecca to get on the show. I hope this shows he has no loyalty to his actual friends. Joe isn't his friend
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