JK Rowling trying to blame Farage for radicalising right-wing extremists.

[Brillopad]

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nigel-farage/nigel-farages-fiery-response-to-jk-rowlings-radica/

What a load of bu****it. I'd say it has far more to do with them reacting to Muslim extremism. Morons trying to fight fire with fire.

Trying to ignore the obvious to try to make a cheap political point is weak and more in keeping with idiots such as Ms Allen. Mistakenly I thought Rowling was better than that.

[Kizzy]

Yep, she's bang on.. him and hopkins have a lot to answer for.

[Brillopad]

Yep, she's bang on.. him and hopkins have a lot to answer for.

Corbyn is more extreme than Farage and a lot less honest. An extreme is an extreme, left or right, and if you get down and dirty with the worst of them, whether through actions or support, you deserve the flack coming your way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

this dreadful woman is so bored now her star had faded all she can do is a lilly allen lite act?

her nasty prejudice is a sight to see

Nigel destroyed her last night on LBC :joker:

[Withano]

Obviously people arent born with an irrational desire to kill the innocent. Theyre brainwashed by people or organisations that they respect. I dont think Rowling can blame individuals, but yes in essense she is correct.

If ISIS is responsible for Islamic terrorists, who or what is responsible for right wing terrorism. Could be Farage, Hopkins, or the Daily Mail, could be the EDL or Britain Frist, could also be a close family member, friend or colleague.

Not sure if we'll ever know for sure, but the man, like all terrorists, is thick, and believed in the hatred that surrounded him. People or organisations that encourage hatred of any group need to be banned, or this will continue. Doesnt matter where they are or who they are, and I dont think Rowling naming individuals is helpful.. but it promoted conversation on the topic, which is a bloody good start.

[bots]

I think Rowling has crossed the line there. Nigel is a lot of things but he is not responsible in any way shape or form for that chaps actions yesterday. He has never suggested any form of violence toward muslims or any immigrants at any time. Really not good

[Wizard.]

There's no evidence for it so she should pipe down.

[Tom4784]

She has a point, Hopkins and Farage have both profited from promoting the whole 'us and them' angle to simpletons and I definitely believe their actions can and will inspire violence. They promote the idea of fighting fire with fire, extremism with extremism and the easily led will buy into it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She has a point, Hopkins and Farage have both profited from promoting the whole 'us and them' angle to simpletons and I definitely believe their actions can and will inspire violence. They promote the idea of fighting fire with fire, extremism with extremism and the easily led will buy into it.

angle to simpletons

your disgusting disdain to anyone who does not share your pov is a stain on this forum

[Kazanne]

Why do people always want to blame anyone but the people who do these things,it's madness:shrug:

[Tom4784]

angle to simpletons

your disgusting disdain to anyone who does not share your pov is a stain on this forum

That's nice, dear.

[Withano]

Why do people always want to blame anyone but the people who do these things,it's madness:shrug:

Would you not hold ISIS at least partially responsible for an Islamic terrorist attack? I think thats the (accurate) parallel she was trying to draw.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's nice, dear.

enjoy your imaginary infraction. reported for BAITING to member



pathetic

:bored:

[Tom4784]

enjoy your imaginary infraction. reported for BAITING to member



pathetic

:bored:

Okay.

[Brillopad]

She has a point, Hopkins and Farage have both profited from promoting the whole 'us and them' angle to simpletons and I definitely believe their actions can and will inspire violence. They promote the idea of fighting fire with fire, extremism with extremism and the easily led will buy into it.

Get real, Muslim extremists are the ones promoting violence through example, after example, after example.....

The real simpletons are the ones that scream 'it isn't their fault they are just angry at the world - it the West's fault for giving them better lives and for daring to have some expectations that they assimilate into society'. Yeah, yeah....

[Crimson Dynamo]

Okay.

okay i hope (not you) but other members see it for what it is........................

[Tom4784]

Get real, Muslim extremists are the ones promoting violence through example, after example, after example.....

The real simpletons are the ones that scream 'it isn't their fault they are just angry at the world - it the West's fault for giving them better lives and for daring to have some expectations that they assimilate into society'. Yeah, yeah....

Except no one is saying that? Don't attribute quotes and attitudes to people that you have dreamt up and decided is fact.

Make arguments against opinions that actually exist, not ones you've dreamt up.

[Tom4784]

okay i hope (not you) but other members see it for what it is........................

Yeah.

[Brillopad]

Except no one is saying that? Don't attribute quotes and attitudes to people that you have dreamt up and decided is fact.

Make arguments against opinions that actually exist, not ones you've dreamt up.

No dreaming going on here.

[Tom4784]

No dreaming going on here.

Well yes, you certainly are since you are trying to make out that me or other people on this website have said anything similar to this 'it isn't their fault they are just angry at the world - it the West's fault for giving them better lives and for daring to have some expectations that they assimilate into society'.

This just isn't true, I've not seen anyone on this website hold an opinion similar to this one. Once again, you are arguing with what you WANT people to have said instead of arguing against what they ACTUALLY said.

[Brillopad]

Well yes, you certainly are since you are trying to make out that me or other people on this website have said anything similar to this 'it isn't their fault they are just angry at the world - it the West's fault for giving them better lives and for daring to have some expectations that they assimilate into society'.

This just isn't true, I've not seen anyone on this website hold an opinion similar to this one. Once again, you are arguing with what you WANT people to have said instead of arguing against what they ACTUALLY said.

Those exact words may not have been used but the meaning was obvious. Many of the left try to blame the West for the actions of Islamic extremists instead of the actual extremists for their terrorist acts - when anyone with a brain knows what a load of boohoolocks that is - the only ones to blame are them.

[Kazanne]

okay i hope (not you) but other members see it for what it is........................

Yes, I agree,it causes unnecessary friction.

[bots]

i rest my case

[Kizzy]

Let's examine a recent quote from hopkins in yesterdays mail

'Way up on the moral high ground, Brendan Cox, high priest of the hopers'

This is a man whos wife was gunned down in broad daylight by a right wing terrorist extremist... What possible reason could there be for her mockery on the 1st anniversary of his wifes death?
It is significant because he is the antithesis of her.

This is why along with her 'final solution' and 'western men rise up' comments what she says and who gives her a platform is so instrumental in incitement and public dischord.
I'm glad high profile people are sharing these views with their 1000s of followers it may awaken more to what is going on.

I have said before I feel hopkins role was to sway public opinion from any sympathy with refugees she was highly successful there, as was farage in his efforts scaremongering in relation to immigrants during the brexit campaign.

They were in my opinion state sponsored inciters of racial hatred.

[King Gizzard]

I'm not her biggest fan when it comes to what she says away from the HO franchise but she's definitely got a point here.

[Brillopad]

Let's examine a recent quote from hopkins in yesterdays mail

'Way up on the moral high ground, Brendan Cox, high priest of the hopers'

This is a man whos wife was gunned down in broad daylight by a right wing terrorist extremist... What possible reason could there be for her mockery on the 1st anniversary of his wifes death?
It is significant because he is the antithesis of her.

This is why along with her 'final solution' and 'western men rise up' comments what she says and who gives her a platform is so instrumental in incitement.
I'm glad high profile people are sharing these views with their 1000s of followers it my awaken more to what is going on.

I have said before I feel hopkins role was to sway public opinion from any sympathy with refugees she was highly successful there, as was farage in his efforts scaremongering in elation to immigrants during the brexit campaign.

They were in my opinion state sponsored inciters of racial hatred.

When will people get it - skin colour/race isn't the real issue - it's culture and mindsets. No-one is going to convince me or most others in the Modern world that the backward treatment of women by certain cultures and religions is right or excusable because that is what a section of society here practice.

We are turning a blind eye and thus assisting the wholescale abuse of a section of society in our midst as well as betraying our own values.

No one is ever going to convince most that we should accept these behaviours in Britain to appease and pacify religious ideology so those terribly PC fools can feel good about themselves and how accepting of differences they are. Differences are not the issue - abuse and true segregation are.

[the truth]

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nigel-farage/nigel-farages-fiery-response-to-jk-rowlings-radica/

What a load of bu****it. I'd say it has far more to do with them reacting to Muslim extremism. Morons trying to fight fire with fire.

Trying to ignore the obvious to try to make a cheap political point is weak and more in keeping with idiots such as Ms Allen. Mistakenly I thought Rowling was better than that.

what a vile pig
to even suggest such a thing is horrific
farage has never said a damned thing about condoning violence whatsoever
this is the very worst kind fo slander and he should take legal action
its as stupid him saying harry potter books are responsible for any crime in teenagers
no doubt this luvvie wouldnt dare accuse fellow novelists, or screenwriters or film directors of causing murder with their endless violence films
vile vile dangerous egotistic overrated hypocrite

[Kizzy]

When will people get it - skin colour/race isn't the real issue - it's culture and mindsets. No-one is going to convince me or most others in the Modern world that the backward treatment of women by certain cultures and religions is right or excusable because that is what a section of society here practice.

We are turning a blind eye and thus assisting the wholescale abuse of a section of society in our midst as well as betraying our own values.

No one is ever going to convince most that we should accept these behaviours in Britain to appease and pacify religious ideology so those terribly PC fools can feel good about themselves and how accepting of differences they are. Differences are not the issue - abuse and true segregation are.

How is any of this relevant to my post, is Brendan Cox included in your PC fools?

[Marsh.]

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nigel-farage/nigel-farages-fiery-response-to-jk-rowlings-radica/

What a load of bu****it. I'd say it has far more to do with them reacting to Muslim extremism.

Erm.... she said nothing of the sort.

Yes, reacting to Muslim extremism, with extremism of their own. She wasn't saying he was to blame for it, she was calling him out for not spouting off about it like he does when it's ethnic minorities or "foreigners" doing it. That's quite bloody obvious what her point was.

[Withano]

When will people get it - skin colour/race isn't the real issue - it's culture and mindsets.

It isnt culture at all. As if its the culture of white right wingers to run down innocent Muslims. Its individual mindsets. Always has been, always will be. And thats why its dangerous to lump everyone as one single group.
This guy is not reflective of white culture, of right wing culture, of male culture etc etc. In the same way an Islamic extremist is not reflective of Islamic culture. I mean jheeze, how many more incidents before people learn.

[Brillopad]

How is any of this relevant to my post, is Brendan Cox included in your PC fools?


When you go on one of your rants about state sponsored terrorism and racism - it tends to illicit a similar response from me - the alternative is a rant induced coma.

Brendan Cox is one of many in this Country who have lost loved ones due to terrorism but you seem somewhat more preoccupied with the victim of a white terrorist.

[the truth]

It isnt culture at all. As if its the culture of white right wingers to run down innocent Muslims. Its individual mindsets. Always has been, always will be. And thats why its dangerous to lump everyone as one single group.
This guy is not reflective of white culture, of right wing culture, of male culture etc etc. In the same way an Islamic extremist is not reflective of Islamic culture. I mean jheeze, how many more incidents before people learn.

pc whitewash ...there is an inherent problem within islam that has seen 10,000s becoming radicalised across the world....to say its not all muslims is stating the bleeding the obvious we all know that, but to go that liberal step further and say its not a problem within islam is complete and utter deluded dangerous nonsense.

[Northern Monkey]

So this has been called a 'revenge attack'.So the question is would this guy have run those people outside the mosque over if there was no islamic extremism?I don't know.I don't know what goes on in the head of someone like that.However if the answer is no then surely the islamic extremists themselves played a huge role in indoctrinating this guy.
I've never heard farage opening the floodgates for any 'revenge attacks' and to be honest anyone who would take advice from Katie Hopkins is not all there to begin with.Not that i know the rubbish she spouts.

[Marsh.]

It isnt culture at all. As if its the culture of white right wingers to run down innocent Muslims. Its individual mindsets. Always has been, always will be. And thats why its dangerous to lump everyone as one single group.
This guy is not reflective of white culture, of right wing culture, of male culture etc etc. In the same way an Islamic extremist is not reflective of Islamic culture. I mean jheeze, how many more incidents before people learn.

:clap1:

You'd think it would be a simple enough thing to grasp.

[Withano]

pc whitewash ...there is an inherent problem within islam that has seen 10,000s becoming radicalised across the world....to say its not all muslims is stating the bleeding the obvious we all know that, but to go that liberal step further and say its not a problem within islam is complete and utter deluded dangerous nonsense.

My point was that terrorism is as much of a problem within Islam as terrorism is a problem within right wingedness in the West.
Should we lump everybody from both groups in to one because of a few select people? No.
Is that political correctness? No, its just correctness.
Do I have a solution short of attemptig to ban right wing media and ISIS spouting hatred? unfortunately, no. Do you?

[Marsh.]

However if the answer is no then surely the islamic extremists themselves played a huge role in indoctrinating this guy.

How does that work?

Say you murdered my mother, and I murdered you in revenge.

Are you to blame for me becoming a murderer or are we both guilty of the same crime?

[Tom4784]

Those exact words may not have been used but the meaning was obvious. Many of the left try to blame the West for the actions of Islamic extremists instead of the actual extremists for their terrorist acts - when anyone with a brain knows what a load of boohoolocks that is - the only ones to blame are them.

Well this is either you straight up lying or you (once again) completely misunderstanding what's been said and rewriting things to suit your agenda.

I have seen people say that the west is partly responsible for the state of the Middle East and I agree with that assessment. We helped create a power vacuum that gave rise to organisations like ISIS. That's pretty much a fact at this point but nobody on this website has ever tried to vindicate a terrorist from blame (although certain people have gone out of their way to deny that terrorists are terrorists because they happened to be white) and tried to place it anyone else's door. If you are going to maintain that it's the truth then you are straight up lying.

If you disagree with someone's opinion then you argue against what they have actually said, you don't make up falsehoods to paint them as terrorist sympathisers to silence opinions you dislike.

[bots]

My point was that terrorism is as much of a problem within Islam as terrorism is a problem within right wingedness in the West.
Should we lump everybody from both groups in to one because of a few select people? No.
Is that political correctness? No, its just correctness.
Do I have a solution short of attemptig to ban right wing media and ISIS spouting hatred? unfortunately, no. Do you?

I think that's a bit of a stretch, particularly regarding islam extremists across the world, there really isn't any comparison in numbers

[Withano]

I think that's a bit of a stretch, particularly regarding islam extremists across the world, there really isn't any comparison in numbers

I mean the numbers of Muslims around the globe far exceed the numbers of right wing people in the West, so its not that much of a stretch. Perhaps ult-right would have been more accurate though... although I'd imagine terrorism within an ult-right group on average would surpass an Islamic group on average - you get the point though, lets mot be pedantic!

[Northern Monkey]

How does that work?

Say you murdered my mother, and I murdered you in revenge.

Are you to blame for me becoming a murderer or are we both guilty of the same crime?

I'm not saying this guy isn't guilty.Of course he is.No normal person would even contemplate something like that but it seems as though he was reacting to previous attacks in his own warped way.It's been described as a 'revenge attack'.Hate breeds more hate.

[Marsh.]

I'm not saying this guy isn't guilty.Of course he is.No normal person would even contemplate something like that but it seems as though he was reacting to previous attacks in his own warped way.It's been described as a 'revenge attack'.Hate breeds more hate.

I agree with that. :clap1:

[bots]

I mean the numbers of Muslims around the globe far exceed the numbers of right wing people in the West, so its not that much of a stretch. Perhaps ult-right would have been more accurate though... although I'd imagine terrorism within an ult-right group on average would surpass an Islamic group on average - you get the point though, lets mot be pedantic!

if we are talking proportions, i really couldn't comment as I just don't know, but in terms of sheer numbers there is no contest and with it being easy to traverse the globe (and that's not taking a pop at border control) currently, the threat from islamic terrorism is much much higher

[the truth]

My point was that terrorism is as much of a problem within Islam as terrorism is a problem within right wingedness in the West.
Should we lump everybody from both groups in to one because of a few select people? No.
Is that political correctness? No, its just correctness.
Do I have a solution short of attemptig to ban right wing media and ISIS spouting hatred? unfortunately, no. Do you?

utter nonsense
apples and oranges
moral relativity
classic political correct nonsense

why even compare?

the far right in america are full of nut jobs and many are affiliated to the nra and paid off etc etc to compare that bunch of loons with the worldwide radical islamic terrorism is absurd on every possible level. on numbers alone there are 100,000s of radical islamic terrorists across the planet...the loony part of the rar right tea party is america alone thankfully

though the left wing loons across europe are just as bat crazy in a totally different kind of way

[Brillopad]

Well this is either you straight up lying or you (once again) completely misunderstanding what's been said and rewriting things to suit your agenda.

I have seen people say that the west is partly responsible for the state of the Middle East and I agree with that assessment. We helped create a power vacuum that gave rise to organisations like ISIS. That's pretty much a fact at this point but nobody on this website has ever tried to vindicate a terrorist from blame (although certain people have gone out of their way to deny that terrorists are terrorists because they happened to be white) and tried to place it anyone else's door. If you are going to maintain that it's the truth then you are straight up lying.

If you disagree with someone's opinion then you argue against what they have actually said, you don't make up falsehoods to paint them as terrorist sympathisers to silence opinions you dislike.

Please don't me a liar. It has definitely been said/implied on here that the West are to blame for Islamic terrorism by a lack of acceptance into our society. So you know what you can do with your wild, unproven public allegations. Grow up.

[Brillopad]

if we are talking proportions, i really couldn't comment as I just don't know, but in terms of sheer numbers there is no contest and with it being easy to traverse the globe (and that's not taking a pop at border control) currently, the threat from islamic terrorism is much much higher

Of course it is. Three Islamic attacks on European cities in three days added to all the rest in say the last year with countless deaths. One non-Islamic attack with one death. Islam has been spreading its tentacles throughout the globe for some time, geographically providing considerable strength. Personally I believe that was part of a plan.

[Tom4784]

I'm not saying this guy isn't guilty.Of course he is.No normal person would even contemplate something like that but it seems as though he was reacting to previous attacks in his own warped way.It's been described as a 'revenge attack'.Hate breeds more hate.

I despise the term 'revenge attack' it infers the people at the mosque did something wrong and it absolves the terrorist of the terrorist tag.

The media need to know when a duck is a duck and call this man what he is, a terrorist.

[Tom4784]

Please don't me a liar. It has definitely been said/implied on here that the West are to blame for Islamic terrorism by a lack of acceptance into our society. So you know what you can do with your wild, unproven public allegations. Grow up.

Then prove it, if you are going to paint anyone that disagrees with you as a terrorist sympathiser then you better be prepared to prove it.

Debate against what people actually have said, Brillo. It's not difficult, just read what people have said and argue against it, don't label people with your own misunderstood assumptions and say it's fact.

[Brillopad]

Then prove it, if you are going to paint anyone that disagrees with you as a terrorist sympathiser then you better be prepared to prove it.

Debate against what people actually have said, Brillo. It's not difficult, just read what people have said and argue against it, don't label people with your own misunderstood assumptions and say it's fact.

Stop trying to dictate to me how to do things - you are in no position judging by your posting style and tone. Calling someone a liar is insulting and unproven. Either ignore my posts or if you choose to respond stick to the rules.

[Tom4784]

Stop trying to dictate to me how to do things - you are in no position judging by your posting style and tone. Calling someone a liar is insulting and unproven. Either ignore my posts or if you choose to respond stick to the rules.

So you have no proof of your claims?

[the truth]

My point was that terrorism is as much of a problem within Islam as terrorism is a problem within right wingedness in the West.
Should we lump everybody from both groups in to one because of a few select people? No.
Is that political correctness? No, its just correctness.
Do I have a solution short of attemptig to ban right wing media and ISIS spouting hatred? unfortunately, no. Do you?

my point is you are totally wrong

The existence of radical terrorism in Christianity is miniscule compared to the problems within Islam. of course we dont blame all muslims as I have restated endlessly for goodness sakes. But the problem is rife within Islam its not within Christianity. There are thousands possibly hundreds of thousands fo jihadis worldwide and its growing. They killed over 35000 innocent people on the streets last year

To suggest otherwise is not only a lie, its a dangerous deluded lie that will never ever start to resolve worldwide reality of radical islamic terrorism

[Brillopad]

So you have no proof of your claims?

I am not trawling through umpteen threads to prove which one of us is the liar. People can think what they want but I suspect several others know what I say is true. I don't care what you think or what you try to make others think.

I know what I know. You want to prove me a liar - BE MY GUEST. Otherwise get off my case.

[Tom4784]

I am not trawling through umpteen threads to prove which one of us is the liar. People can think what they want but I suspect several others know what I say is true. I don't care what you think or what you try to make others think.

I know what I know. You want to prove me a liar - BE MY GUEST. Otherwise get off my case.

So no proof then, you've just branded people terrorist sympathisers based on nothing but your word.

Okay. that speaks for itself.

[Brillopad]

So no proof then, you've just branded people terrorist sympathisers based on nothing but your word.

Okay. that speaks for itself.

Where did I say that? However you clearly branded many as simpletons - for all to see. So get off that high horse you have no right to be riding. You are the one making allegations - prove it! I am sure someone on here can tell you the onus of proof is on the prosecution.

[the truth]

Where did I say that? However you clearly branded many as simpletons - for all to see. So get off that high horse you have no right to be riding. You are the one making allegations - prove it! I am sure someone on here can tell you the onus of proof is on the prosecution.

True

[Kizzy]

When you go on one of your rants about state sponsored terrorism and racism - it tends to illicit a similar response from me - the alternative is a rant induced coma.

Brendan Cox is one of many in this Country who have lost loved ones due to terrorism but you seem somewhat more preoccupied with the victim of a white terrorist.

You are under no obligation to reply...The hopkins article is relevant to the topic...your personal remarks are not.

Mr Cox was raised due to being slighted in the hopkins article, try to maintain focus on the issue please.

[the truth]

ir rowling wants to somehow hold farage partly responsible for the terrorist attack by this mad man from weston super mare/Cardifff..Then if we are to hold people by the same standard, she is equally guilty of shared responsibility for the radical islamic attacks by way of her deluded appeasement? shes nuts

[Withano]

ir rowling wants to somehow hold farage partly responsible for the terrorist attack by this mad man from weston super mare/Cardifff..Then if we are to hold people by the same standard, she is equally guilty of shared responsibility for the radical islamic attacks by way of her deluded appeasement? shes nuts

Do you hold ISIS at least partially responsible for the Islamic extremists that become this way after listening to them spread irrational and inaccurate hatred towards a specific group of people.

If so then she has a point, if not then ur weird, obviously ISIS are partially responsible for islamic extremism.

You find any idiot and have them listen to someone they respect talk about a group of people that they hate - you got yourself a potential terrorist - you collect several of these idiots, a small proportion will likely act on the hatred theyve learned.

Is Farage directly partially responsible? Idk, maybe, I dunno who or what the terrorist admires
Is some sort of right wing organisation / person partially responsible? Undoubtedly yes, in the exact same way Isis is partially responsible for several terrorist attacks.

[the truth]

Do you hold ISIS at least partially responsible for the Islamic extremists that become this way after listening to them spread irrational and inaccurate hatred towards a specific group of people.

If so then she has a point, if not then ur weird, obviously ISIS are partially responsible for islamic extremism.

You find any idiot and have them listen to someone they respect talk about a group of people that they hate - you got yourself a potential terrorist - you collect several of these idiots, a small proportion will likely act on the hatred theyve learned.

Is Farage directly partially responsible? Idk, maybe, I dunno who or what the terrorist admires
Is some sort of right wing organisation / person partially responsible? Undoubtedly yes, in the exact same way Isis is partially responsible for several terrorist attacks.
Possibly the most absurd post I have ever read
Honeslty i am embarassed for you
farage is reponsible for terrorism in the same way as ISIS? did you really mean to write that?

[Brillopad]

Do you hold ISIS at least partially responsible for the Islamic extremists that become this way after listening to them spread irrational and inaccurate hatred towards a specific group of people.

If so then she has a point, if not then ur weird, obviously ISIS are partially responsible for islamic extremism.

You find any idiot and have them listen to someone they respect talk about a group of people that they hate - you got yourself a potential terrorist - you collect several of these idiots, a small proportion will likely act on the hatred theyve learned.

Is Farage directly partially responsible? Idk, maybe, I dunno who or what the terrorist admires
Is some sort of right wing organisation / person partially responsible? Undoubtedly yes, in the exact same way Isis is partially responsible for several terrorist attacks.

I agree with the truth - it is a ridiculous comparison. Farage is a polititian not a terrorist.

ISIS on the other hand are cold blooded murderers who decapitate people and brainwash other aggressive young males and children into becoming suicide bombers. They are hardly partially responsible for Islamic extremism - they are totally responsible. Sick and twisted minds that brainwash and create other sick and twisted minds.

How many people has Farage killed- directly or indirectly. How about ISIS? The whole world can answer that one.

[Withano]

Possibly the most absurd post I have ever read
Honeslty i am embarassed for you
farage is reponsible for terrorism in the same way as ISIS? did you really mean to write that?

I agree with the truth - it is a ridiculous comparison. Farage is a polititian not a terrorist.

ISIS on the other hand are cold blooded murderers who decapitate people and brainwash other aggressive young males and children into becoming suicide bombers. They are hardly partially responsible for Islamic extremism - they are totally responsible. Sick and twisted minds that brainwash and create other sick and twisted minds.

How many people has Farage killed- directly or indirectly. How about ISIS? The whole world can answer that one.

If isis is partially responsible for islamic terrorism, what is partially responsible for right wing terrorism? I dont know if the terrorist supports Farage, so i cant make that claim, and i never have. But some sort of right wing person, or organisation - is - partially responsible. This guy wasnt born with a desire to kill muslims, just like no Islamic extremist was born with the desire to murder the innocent - the hatred that surrounds them made him that way, those that create that hatred are partially responsible to some extent.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If isis is partially responsible for islamic terrorism, what is partially responsible for right wing terrorism? I dont know if the terrorist supports Farage, so i cant make that claim, and i never have. But some sort of right wing person, or organisation - is - partially responsible. This guy wasnt born with a desire to kill muslims, the hatred that surrounded him made him that way.

Maybe he was a Corbyn fan and actually wanted to get Jews but it was dark?

[Withano]

Maybe he was a Corbyn fan and actually wanted to get Jews but it was dark?

And if that day ever comes, we must admit that Corbyn was partially responsible. I dont understand why right wing people (on and off tibb) are finding this difficult

[Northern Monkey]

If isis is partially responsible for islamic terrorism, what is partially responsible for right wing terrorism? I dont know if the terrorist supports Farage, so i cant make that claim, and i never have. But some sort of right wing person, or organisation - is - partially responsible. This guy wasnt born with a desire to kill muslims, just like no Islamic extremist was born with the desire to murder the innocent - the hatred that surrounds them made him that way, those that create that hatred are partially responsible to some extent.

And who created the hatred?Islamic terrorists attacking our country.If the media is correct that this was a revenge attack

[Withano]

And who created the hatred?Islamic terrorists attacking our country.If the media is correct that this was a revenge attack

I mean, that game could last a while. Plenty ISIS attacks on the West may be out of revenge for turning their country into a warzone, and why did we do that? out of revenge for 9/11? And why did that happen? That game could last indefinitely really.

Rowlings point was that the right wing terrorist attack wouldnt have happened without right wing irrational, inaccurate hatred towards the specific group, and you can make the same argument with every type of extremism imo.

[Tom4784]

Where did I say that? However you clearly branded many as simpletons - for all to see. So get off that high horse you have no right to be riding. You are the one making allegations - prove it! I am sure someone on here can tell you the onus of proof is on the prosecution.

Still got no proof then?

Reaching insults won't cover the fact that you basically suggested that members on this forum had sympathy for terrorists by trying to vindicate them by blaming the government for their actions.

Don't rely on lies to win an argument, Brillo.

[Brillopad]

Still got no proof then?

Reaching insults won't cover the fact that you basically suggested that members on this forum had sympathy for terrorists by trying to vindicate them by blaming the government for their actions.

Don't rely on lies to win an argument, Brillo.

I haven't lied and I didn't accuse anyone if being a terrorist sympathiser. You read into my words what you like - as you seem rather sensitive on the subject.

After the things you sometimes say to people on here I can't take you seriously.

[Tom4784]

I haven't lied and I didn't accuse anyone if being a terrorist sympathiser. You read into my words what you like - as you seem rather sensitive on the subject.

After the things you sometimes say to people on here I can't take you seriously.

I won't rise to the weak bait, you made a claim so back it up or withdraw it, if you don't do either then you must be prepared to be told you must be lying, that's how debates work. You back up what you say or you get discredited.

[Brillopad]

I won't rise to the weak bait, you made a claim so back it up or withdraw it, if you don't do either then you must be prepared to be told you must be lying, that's how debates work. You back up what you say or you get discredited.

What claim?

[Kizzy]

Where's bold Niamh when you need her?... :idc:

[the truth]

she should stick to fairytales