Raph as the house sneak and gossip carrier... Ugh

[vesavius]

What a creep. He couldn't wait to run in there and stir **** up could he?

[Brother Leon]

They are talking about his friends and he told them..

[Jake.]

I'd argue the ones saying the stuff in the first place would be the sneaky ones

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Lotan and Tom were being vile about Chanelle and Hannah.

[Samm]

how is it sneaky jguty they were talking about his friends

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I'd argue the ones saying the stuff in the first place would be the sneaky ones

:clap1:

[sampvt]

ffs im loving these defenses of his sneaky **** stirring. omg wtf

[vesavius]

They are talking about his friends and he told them..

He ran in to start a fight. You don't run in to put your friends into a fight situation. You run to do that if you want to see them get ****ty screen time and look awful.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

how is it sneaky jguty they were talking about his friends

This. The popular crew always talk about people hind their backs. But they're not called sneaky.

[vesavius]

ffs im loving these defenses of his sneaky **** stirring. omg wtf

there are some serious mental gymnastics going on here tbh

[vesavius]

This. The popular crew always talk about people hind their backs. But they're not called sneaky.

We aren't talking about them talking behind backs, we are talking about him running full speed between groups to spread the gossip and dump his so called friends into a new fight.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

:clap1: spot on OP nailed it

[Black Dagger]

They were slagging off his friends and he remained loyal to them. Bye.

[Headie]

He rightfully told his friends what they said

[joeysteele]

They are talking about his friends and he told them..

Exactly,I would have too.

[vesavius]

He rightfully told his friends what they said

He clearly has no friends, just people to use in his **** stirring.

Friends don't dump real friends into a war like that and then slink off back into the background like a snide.

[Locke.]

Poor guy pretty much had the information tortured out of him by Hannah

[sampvt]

He rightfully told his friends what they said

All he aimed for was a wind up and an argument

[Shaun]

I notice you don't complain about Lotan & Tom BEGGING Rebecca not to tell on them to Joe :think:

[vesavius]

With 'friends' like Raph on your side, you honestly don't need enemies.

[Merry Mockmas]

He was a bit too obvious there, and wasn't helped by Chanelle grassing him up either.

Raph needs to be smarter at how he implements his weasel styled gameplan.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I notice you don't complain about Lotan & Tom BEGGING Rebecca not to tell on them to Joe :think:

They do this all the time, but get away with it.

[Amy Jade]

If Lotan and Ellie has the balls to say it to their face Raph wouldn't have to spill it

[Jake.]

If Lotan and Ellie has the balls to say it to their face Raph wouldn't have to spill it

:clap1:

[Cherry Christmas]

He was a bit too obvious there, and wasn't helped by Chanelle grassing him up either.

Raph needs to be smarter at how he implements his weasel styled gameplan.

.

[JTM45]

If Lotan and Ellie has the balls to say it to their face Raph wouldn't have to spill it

Ellie's turning out to be a real slimey asshole and Lotan's always been one.:yuk:

They obviously think the 'public' will be absolutely behind them and loving their repugnance. How WRONG they are!!!:laugh:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Lotan and ellie are the peoples faves. Normal nice people

[SoberLikeGizmo]

Lotan and ellie are the peoples faves. Normal nice people

What? Fakest people in there

[Rustic bauble]

It's a natural thing to do tbf. However Raph needs to be careful because if all he can do is run and tell 'tales'...it could backfire. Will they trust him as the game progresses?...he needs to speak up in their defence instead of just stirring the pot...because that is exactly what he is doing atm.

[vesavius]

What? Fakest people in there

Raph is by far the fakest HM we have seen for years. His fence sitting contrived play is awful to watch. Now compounded by him feeding his so called 'allies' to the wolves.

Compared to him, Ellie is the real deal.

[Mullens123]

Sorry but if my friend overheard stuff about me I'd expect them to let me know. How is a sense of loyalty to your friends being spun into a negative just because people want any excuse to dislike Raph ...

[SoberLikeGizmo]

Raph is by far the fakest HM we have seen for years. His fence sitting contrived play is awful to watch. Now compounded by him feeding his so called 'allies' to the wolves.

Compared to him, Ellie is the real deal.

You just described Ellie, she talks **** about people yet doesnt stand up for friends and even nominates them, at least Raph told them what they was saying, Id rather know who was talking **** about me so I can ignore them.

[JTM45]

Lotan and ellie are the peoples faves. Normal nice people

Not according to 'the people'. :nono:

''Nice''..........my arse!

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Sorry but if my friend overheard stuff about me I'd expect them to let me know. How is a sense of loyalty to your friends being spun into a negative just because people want any excuse to dislike Raph ...
This!

[vesavius]

You just described Ellie, she talks **** about people yet doesnt stand up for friends and even nominates them, at least Raph told them what they was saying, Id rather know who was talking **** about me so I can ignore them.

Give me examples?

I mean, we saw Raph running around spreading poison tonight, so that's a given.

[vesavius]

Sorry but if my friend overheard stuff about me I'd expect them to let me know. How is a sense of loyalty to your friends being spun into a negative just because people want any excuse to dislike Raph ...

Because he isn't their friend. He didn't tell them out of a sense of duty to friendship, he told them in order to dump them into yet another pointless fight that would make them look awful to the public.

A fight he then had no part of. If they were friends, he would have stood with them and not slid away.

[SoberLikeGizmo]

Give me examples?

I mean, we saw Raph running around spreading poison tonight, so that's a given.

Well she was one talking **** about Hannah, shes was the one trying to be nice to rebecca last night and then talking **** about her behind her back and even nominated her.

What poison? They was talking about Hannah and Chanelle, Hannah asked what they was saying and Raph told them the truth on what they was saying.

Me thinks you can see his doing well on polls/betting/social media and you need to be someone who doesnt want to follow the crowd. I bet you will let the others get away with murder but Raph will snezze and you will probably accuse him of trying to spread germs :shrug:

[Jack_]

Let me get this straight...we all complain that the quality of the series is quickly diminishing. Raph, already derided (in many ways fairly) as a bore, in a roundabout way actually instigates tonight's drama that most of us are praising for finally injecting some life into the show, and he's still being chastised?

I would much rather he continue to do this than whatever nothing crap we were watching a few days ago. Don't see the issue

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Well she was one talking **** about Hannah, shes was the one trying to be nice to rebecca last night and then talking **** about her behind her back and even nominated her.

What poison? They was talking about Hannah and Chanelle, Hannah asked what they was saying and Raph told them the truth on what they was saying.

Me thinks you can see his doing well on polls/betting/social media and you need to be someone who doesnt want to follow the crowd. I bet you will let the others get away with murder but Raph will snezze and you will probably accuse him of trying to spread germs :shrug:
:worship:

[lime]

Well she was one talking **** about Hannah, shes was the one trying to be nice to rebecca last night and then talking **** about her behind her back and even nominated her.

What poison? They was talking about Hannah and Chanelle, Hannah asked what they was saying and Raph told them the truth on what they was saying.

Me thinks you can see his doing well on polls/betting/social media and you need to be someone who doesnt want to follow the crowd. I bet you will let the others get away with murder but Raph will snezze and you will probably accuse him of trying to spread germs :shrug:


Yep.
Can't see how its called poison when he was asked what was said and told her...he actually kept it tame and didn't reveal all that was said

[rionablue]

What a creep. He couldn't wait to run in there and stir **** up could he?
He is the biggest bitch in the house. He has been going down in my estimation night after night. I honestly don't know why he is so popular now. He is a sneaky sh it stirrer

[Jake.]

Give me examples?

I mean, we saw Raph running around spreading poison tonight, so that's a given.

Poison? :joker:

[JTM45]

Give me examples?

I mean, we saw Raph running around spreading poison tonight, so that's a given.

At least you can recognize Lotan and Ellie's bitching and back-stabbing for what it is. Obviously Ellie will agree with or back up ANYTHING Lotan says because she obsessed with him.

[waterhog]

What a creep. He couldn't wait to run in there and stir **** up could he?

if there is one thing I hate is a busy body that stirs up trouble - it would never happen if I lived in a village like this :shrug:

[vesavius]

He is the biggest bitch in the house. He has been going down in my estimation night after night. I honestly don't know why he is so popular now. He is a sneaky sh it stirrer

Supporting Raph is gonna be a rough ride I think. The only reason he was popular with the public was because he was seen as a 'nice guy'. He killed that for a lot of the public tonight.

[Jordan.]

He needs to step up instead of letting all the girls fight the battles.

[vesavius]

At least you can recognize Lotan and Ellie's bitching and back-stabbing for what it is. Obviously Ellie will agree with or back up ANYTHING Lotan says because she obsessed with him.

Sure, make a thread and we can talk about it. This thread is about Raph and his toxic **** stirring though.

[Vicky.]

All I heard Lotan say was that the only people who were bothered about the vote were the people who were up. Have I missed something? As Raph appeared to change this into Lotan was on about 'those 2' (meaning Hannah and Chanelle)

As Hannah grows on me, I am disliking Raph more and more. He is causing so much unnecessary stress for her with his bitching on and turning stuff round. And then, after getting her to kick off he slopes off to the diary room to inform us all about how Hannah was also in the wrong. If I didn't give a crap about Hannah anymore like I used to then I would probably still be liking Raph.

[vesavius]

Well she was one talking **** about Hannah, shes was the one trying to be nice to rebecca last night and then talking **** about her behind her back and even nominated her.

I was unaware of any particular friendship between Ellie and Becca..? Or her and Hanna? Where have you seen this? Did she intentionally run between groups and wind them up into fights, even her 'friends'?

Because that's what we are talking about here with Raph.

What poison? They was talking about Hannah and Chanelle, Hannah asked what they was saying and Raph told them the truth on what they was saying.

The poison of carrying **** stirring gossip carrying and dumping his so called allies into a fight, and then slinking off. I thought I had been clear about this.

(I have edited your personal judgments of me from the quote. Hope that's ok? It didn't mean anything and didn't add much.)

[vesavius]

As Hannah grows on me, I am disliking Raph more and more. He is causing so much unnecessary stress for her with his bitching on and turning stuff round. And then, after getting her to kick off he slopes off to the diary room to inform us all about how Hannah was also in the wrong.

Have to agree. I'm no fan of Hannah, I am neutral right now, but she didn't deserve this.

[Merry Mockmas]

Lotan and ellie are the peoples faves. Normal nice people

You could be right, we'll see.

[vesavius]

He needs to step up instead of letting all the girls fight the battles.

I don't think he is that kind of person.

[fitz2k2]

still waiting when he gets exposed.that little wimp will pretend to cry.

[vesavius]

still waiting when he gets exposed.that little wimp will pretend to cry.

He will try every manipulative trick in the book, no doubt. We should make a bingo card.

[Nicky91]

Raph well i hate gossip that's for sure, but that was the reason i called him Raphielle in the other thread

gossip is for girls, but my joke wasn't seen as a joke :(



as for Lotan and Ellie, well they are quite normal and nice, i can see why Charlotte is bonding towards them, and Rebecca should also hang more with those people


Deborah could be a nice person as well, at least more likeable than Hannah

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

You could be right, we'll see.

No, just no. They think they're so superior. Can't stand them :fist:

[chuff me dizzy]

What a creep. He couldn't wait to run in there and stir **** up could he?

If they are his friends as some claim ,why didn't he speak out for them ? why did he RUN into the kitchen and bare face lie about what was said ? he is a coward ....He **** himself when Chan went out to have a go at them ,as he knew his cover as house rat would be exposed... Kieron was slated on here for not defending Rebecca, but Snake Boy didnt defend Hannah did he ?

[chuff me dizzy]

Because he isn't their friend. He didn't tell them out of a sense of duty to friendship, he told them in order to dump them into yet another pointless fight that would make them look awful to the public.

A fight he then had no part of. If they were friends, he would have stood with them and not slid away.

:clap1:

[snail69]

I'm glad I'm not the only on one who has realised this! Just comes across as massively bitchy to be honest.

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[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I don't like Lotan and Ellie sense of superiority. So anyone who can bring them down has my support.

[Nicky91]

I don't like Lotan and Ellie sense of superiority. So anyone who can bring them down has my support.

why are you so vile towards 2 nice people, i for the first time am liking Ellie and Lotan


no one has to bring them down, the only one wrong in that clique is Tom

[snail69]

He is the biggest bitch in the house. He has been going down in my estimation night after night. I honestly don't know why he is so popular now. He is a sneaky sh it stirrer
Exactly how I feel at this point in time!!

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Hannah must stay. I get the feeling she will nominate Lotan next week. I need to see this happen.

[snail69]

People can say what they like and defend him until they are blue in the face. However, from what was showed last night he blatantly changed what was said by Lotan.

It just comes across as he is using Hannah and Chanelle to fight battles with people he doesn't like because he is scared to himself. I doubt I'm the only one watching that sees it like this either.

If he disagreed or had a problem with what Lotan said then why didn't he just say himself?!

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[chuff me dizzy]

Just re-watched the garden and kitchen part from last to make sure I was right in what I said earlier ,Neither Lotan or Kieron said "The 2 who are up " Ellie never said a word wrong,she just said how she would react if she were up..... Snake Boy DID run into the house ,made out he didn't want to tell tales ,then instantly did ,when Chan went into the garden his face turned grey ...lips tightened ,in other words he **** himself .....so to cover his arse he went into the diary room and attacked his"friend" Hannah ....what a sneaky twat he is ....and nowhere did he say he was going to do pranks with Chan

[chuff me dizzy]

People can say what they like and defend him until they are blue in the face. However, from what was showed last night he blatantly changed what was said by Lotan.

It just comes across as he is using Hannah and Chanelle to fight battles with people he doesn't like because he is scared to himself. I doubt I'm the only one watching that sees it like this either.

If he disagreed or had a problem with what Lotan said then why didn't he just say himself?!

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Kieron was attacked for not defending his friend Rebecca,but Slimeball did exactly the same, he's hiding behind 2 strong minded girls to fight his battles for him because he's a yellow livered ****

[ChristmasNeeve]

Kieron was attacked for not defending his friend Rebecca,but Slimeball did exactly the same, he's hiding behind 2 strong minded girls to fight his battles for him because he's a yellow livered ****

Kieron and Rebecca are friends on the outside, big difference. Also, Kieron was attacked for not defending Rebecca when Joe was coming at her and speaking to her the way he was. Totally different situation to bitching about someone

[vesavius]

Just re-watched the garden and kitchen part from last to make sure I was right in what I said earlier ,Neither Lotan or Kieron said "The 2 who are up " Ellie never said a word wrong,she just said how she would react if she were up..... Snake Boy DID run into the house ,made out he didn't want to tell tales ,then instantly did ,when Chan went into the garden his face turned grey ...lips tightened ,in other words he **** himself .....so to cover his arse he went into the diary room and attacked his"friend" Hannah ....what a sneaky twat he is ....and nowhere did he say he was going to do pranks with Chan

Yes, all you say is true.

If Ellie,for example, had behaved in the same way as Raph, his fans would be savaging her for it.

Raise the double standard!

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes, all you say is true.

If Ellie,for example, had behaved in the same way as Raph, his fans would be savaging her for it.

Raise the double standard!

This place is dripping in double standards

[Peppermint]

It would only be sneaky if he was going between both groups and telling them ****, but he's just being loyal to his friends (I would do this irl too)

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

It would only be sneaky if he was going between both groups and telling them ****, but he's just being loyal to his friends (I would do this irl too)

:clap1:

[Kazanne]

I am keeping my eye on Raph my fave up until today, if he keeps being Chanelles lackey I will be thinking twice,move away Raph,be your own man

[Kazanne]

This place is dripping in double standards

Yeah,so true,can you imagine if Chanelle had knocked Raphs hat off like she did Keiran,a certain few would be hyperventalating:hehe:

[chuff me dizzy]

It would only be sneaky if he was going between both groups and telling them ****, but he's just being loyal to his friends (I would do this irl too)

You would go listening to others conversations and run ( literally run) back to tell tales ? Oh dear :umm2:

[chuff me dizzy]

Yeah,so true,can you imagine if Chanelle had knocked Raphs hat off like she did Keiran,a certain few would be hyperventalating:hehe:

Some (mentioning no names :joker: ) would be knocking on the BB house door baying for blood

[Kazanne]

I am warming to Lotan,he's not as bad as people make out,it's like he is a threat,LOL

[chuff me dizzy]

I am warming to Lotan,he's not as bad as people make out,it's like he is a threat,LOL

Yes me too, he's a lot nicer fella than i expected him to be

[Peppermint]

You would go listening to others conversations and run ( literally run) back to tell tales ? Oh dear :umm2:
It wasn't really like that at all, he was sat outside and he went into the kitchen and they followed him, he was actually a bit reluctant to tell them but being their friend he did

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

It wasn't really like that at all, he was sat outside and he went into the kitchen and they followed him, he was actually a bit reluctant to tell them but being their friend he did

Yes, he didn't want to say anything. But Hannah wasn't going to drop it.

[chuff me dizzy]

It wasn't really like that at all, he was sat outside and he went into the kitchen and they followed him, he was actually a bit reluctant to tell them but being their friend he did

oh please Capri !! he was busting a gut to tell them and when he did,he bare faced lied,Hannah asked him once and he spilled ,all a pack of lies

[joeysteele]

It wasn't really like that at all, he was sat outside and he went into the kitchen and they followed him, he was actually a bit reluctant to tell them but being their friend he did

Whatever his reasoning,I think he did the right thing.

I would like to think vice versa they would have done the same for him.

[chuff me dizzy]

Whatever his reasoning,I think he did the right thing.

I would like to think vice versa they would have done the same for him.

But would they have lied or told him the truth ?

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Whatever his reasoning,I think he did the right thing.

I would like to think vice versa they would have done the same for him.

I agree. He's loyal To his friends.

[chuff me dizzy]

I agree. He's loyal To his friends.

Hold on ..... You just said he didn't want to tell Hannah,and she made him tell her so which one is it you can't have it both ways

[Peppermint]

oh please Capri !! he was busting a gut to tell them and when he did,he bare faced lied,Hannah asked him once and he spilled ,all a pack of lies
He probably did want to tell them because he felt they deserved to know, but at the same time he knows how it can come across (especially when Chanelle went outside and confronted them)

[chuff me dizzy]

He probably did want to tell them because he felt they deserved to know, but at the same time he knows how it can come across (especially when Chanelle went outside and confronted them)

He **** a kidney when Chanelle went outside because he knew then all the other knew he had grassed them up

[OMGLattie]

I think problem is as well he knew Chanelle would go out there against all of them and set something off because thats the type of person she is and Raph knows it could easily be turned on her and make her look bad. The last thing he would want is for her to go home because of something he told her but really, the popular crew needs to be called out. They think they are untouchable (and I find it funny that Rebecca can sit out their with Joe as if they are buddies but trashes him constantly for air time.)

[sampvt]

Raph has to be the worst game player of all time or he is just a nasty little ****. some say he is both and based on all the evidence out there, they could be right. He certainly did what he did last night DELIBERATELY, of that there is no question, even the diehard Raph fans are staying quiet.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I think problem is as well he knew Chanelle would go out there against all of them and set something off because thats the type of person she is and Raph knows it could easily be turned on her and make her look bad. The last thing he would want is for her to go home because of something he told her but really, the popular crew needs to be called out. They think they are untouchable (and I find it funny that Rebecca can sit out their with Joe as if they are buddies but trashes him constantly for air time.)

I agree. That clique needs To be up for eviction. Hoping that next week they will be finally.

[chuff me dizzy]

I agree. That clique needs To be up for eviction. Hoping that next week they will be finally.

You haven't answered my question Vanessa ?

[Parmy]

Just watching last nights show now..

See how chicken livered raph was when channelle ran off to confront lotan and the rest of them.

Cut back to raph with the narrative, raph is talking to bb in the diary room. They should have said, raph is hiding in the diary room.

[chuff me dizzy]

I think problem is as well he knew Chanelle would go out there against all of them and set something off because thats the type of person she is and Raph knows it could easily be turned on her and make her look bad. The last thing he would want is for her to go home because of something he told her but really, the popular crew needs to be called out. They think they are untouchable (and I find it funny that Rebecca can sit out their with Joe as if they are buddies but trashes him constantly for air time.)

Rubbish !! he knew by her going out they all knew he had run in and told them what they had said

[chuff me dizzy]

Just watching last nights show now..

See how chicken livered raph was when channelle ran off to confront lotan and the rest of them.

Cut back to raph with the narrative, raph is talking to bb in the diary room. They should have said, raph is hiding in the diary room.

Did you see the colour drain from his face ? slime ball ...He ran upstairs as quick as a flash ,out of the way and to try to save face with the voting public

[Parmy]

Did you see the colour drain from his face ? slime ball ...He ran upstairs as quick as a flash ,out of the way and to try to save face with the voting public

:joker:

Just about to see what he is saying in the dr.

[chuff me dizzy]

:joker:

Just about to see what he is saying in the dr.


In the kitchen he turned a lovely shade of BattleShip Grey !! Lips tightened so he was fuming !!

[Parmy]

Just as i thought, blame shifting.

Said....the cause of all the conflict tonight was tom, lotan and hannah...eh no..it was you and your gossiping bitch side.

[Amy Jade]

I didn't notice he changed what Lotan said last night but Raph kinda did manipulate it to sound like Lotan slagged off the girls and he never he just said they were the most bothered...which is a fair comment. Hannah and Chanelle deserve to stay.

[chuff me dizzy]

I didn't notice he changed what Lotan said last night but Raph kinda did manipulate it to sound like Lotan slagged off the girls and he never he just said they were the most bothered...which is a fair comment. Hannah and Chanelle deserve to stay.

He said that Lotan had said "The 2 who are up for eviction " Lotan never mentioned 2 ......He also said Ellie had had a go at them and she didn't she said if she was up she would enjoy her last few days ....Im just gutted Channelle did tell them all what Raph had said,she didn't get the chance to

[Peppermint]

He **** a kidney when Chanelle went outside because he knew then all the other knew he had grassed them up
Of course it looks bitchy, but in reality I think most people would do the same

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I am warming to Lotan,he's not as bad as people make out,it's like he is a threat,LOL

agreed

winner?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

oh and finally after all my posts (often derided) Ralph finally admits he only speaks toi Girls (as he is scared of straight men)

:douf:

dont thank me

[bots]

oh and finally after all my posts (often derided) Ralph finally admits he only speaks toi Girls (as he is scared of straight men)

:douf:

dont thank me

we are indeed blessed

[vesavius]

oh and finally after all my posts (often derided) Ralph finally admits he only speaks toi Girls (as he is scared of straight men)

:douf:

dont thank me

I do thank you!

He is clearly a heterophobic, as we see so much these days (to the point where it has become just not normal, but cheered)