Lotan and Joe commenting on Isabelle's appearance

[Epic.]

Wtf was that horrible ****? They went on for almost a five minute tangent on how "orange" she is. Like yeah we get it she has fake tan but you've known her for less than a day and you're ALREADY judging her for superficial reasons? Horrid, Joe better be out tomorrow too, especially considering this is the same guy who got really pissed off when his makeup is even BROUGHT UP yet still makes fun of someone's fake tan.

Horrid

[vesavius]

Didn't see you chiming in on when Joe was attacked for being old?

Or did I miss it?

[ThriceShy]

And Lotion kept going on in the last episode about how he is never personal and Hannah is wrong for being personal and going after looks.

Hypocrite.

[Vicky.]

She is ****ing golden though :shrug: I am sure she is used to people talking to her about it, and she even took the piss out of her orangeness herself before they even saw her :laugh:

[Kazanne]

Wtf was that horrible ****? They went on for almost a five minute tangent on how "orange" she is. Like yeah we get it she has fake tan but you've known her for less than a day and you're ALREADY judging her for superficial reasons? Horrid, Joe better be out tomorrow too, especially considering this is the same guy who got really pissed off when his makeup is even BROUGHT UP yet still makes fun of someone's fake tan.

Horrid

most of us have commented on it,do you seriously think that looks nice? Lotan told her to her face,she looks bloody awful,and how many times have people commented on their looks ,plenty and also Joes tan.he will be out tomorrow anyway.

[Kazanne]

And Lotion kept going on in the last episode about how he is never personal and Hannah is wrong for being personal and going after looks.

Hypocrite.

Lotan didn't diss her on her looks just her tan,it's too much any fool can see that,it takes a mate to tell her

[reece(:]

Scumbags

[Marsh.]

Why are people saying she's golden? SHE'S GREEN!!!!

She looks like somebody opened a massive baby's nappy over her damn head.

[ThriceShy]

Lotan didn't diss her on her looks just her tan,it's too much any fool can see that,it takes a mate to tell her

How is a tan not part of your looks?:shrug:

[Withano]

I have so many reasons to dislike the pair.. but I think we can let them off here, her tan is an obvious talking point.

[Withano]

She is ****ing golden though :shrug: I am sure she is used to people talking to her about it, and she even took the piss out of her orangeness herself before they even saw her :laugh:

:joker: yeh this.

[Kazanne]

How is a tan not part of your looks?:shrug:

it's a surface thing not her actual looks,

[ThriceShy]

it's a surface thing not her actual looks,

Do people look at it, or not?

[Withano]

Do people look at it, or not?

Would you paint yourself purple and be offended if people asked why you painted yourself purple?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

She look ridiculous. Where are her parents?

[ThriceShy]

Would you paint yourself purple and be offended if people asked why you painted yourself purple?

No. How does that address the subject of the thread?

Were they commenting on her appearance or not?

[Withano]

No. How does that address the subject of the thread?

Were they commenting on her appearance or not?

They were commenting on an alteration that she knowingly made to her appearance.. which is a bit different. Kinda like painting yourself purple or wearing a mask.

[Serg]

She look ridiculous. Where are her parents?
She's an adult.

[Vicky.]

Looks like shes toned the tan down a bit today actually from the clip on BOTS. Unless the top layer has just worn off a bit. Bet her sheets are fluorescent :eek:

And yes, looking on other clips marsh she does look green. You are correct :D

[ThriceShy]

They were commenting on an alteration that she knowingly made to her appearance.. which is a bit different. Kinda like painting yourself purple or wearing a mask.

Why do you keep having to use a colour like purple, that nobody actually tans themselves with?

It's almost as if you know that a tan is a normal part of someone's appearance.

[Marsh.]

Looks like shes toned the tan down a bit today actually from the clip on BOTS. Unless the top layer has just worn off a bit. Bet her sheets are fluorescent :eek:

And yes, looking on other clips marsh she does look green. You are correct :D

:joker:

[rionablue]

I think its the fact her hair is peroxide blonde which doesn't remotely look like her natural hair colour judging on her colouring makes the tan LOOK WORSE. I think if her hair was dark it wouldn't look quite as bad. Getting to the point if she agrees herself that she is permatanned I don't see any harm in the lads saying it

[Vicky.]

Why do you keep having to use a colour like purple, that nobody actually tans themselves with?

It's almost as if you know that a tan is a normal part of someone's appearance.

A tan is a normal part of someone appearance yes. But that is not a 'normal' tan. Its not even the slightly tangoed look that fake tanners get sometimes. She knows it too as she takes the mick out of it herself :laugh:

[Vicky.]

I mean, it looks even worse than

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/20/article-2039508-0E0038C100000578-513_472x319.jpg AND its self inflicted ffs

[Parmy]

Joe at the end.."well as long as you like it":joker::joker::joker:

[Merry Mockmas]

Lotan even carried this tirade on in the Diary Room with Tom and Kieran.

Truly disgusting.

[Withano]

Why do you keep having to use a colour like purple, that nobody actually tans themselves with?

It's almost as if you know that a tan is a normal part of someone's appearance.

It is normal, her tan however, is as abnormal as a full purple body paint

[RhysJones]

I think that was absolutely disgraceful of them, and who's Joe to talk about looking orange, and he certainly doesn't look natural. And Lotan making jokes bout her tan ij the DR with Tom and Kieran was disgusting as well

[armand.kay]

I don't like either of them but her tan was **** are we really gonna blame them for commenting on it..

[Merry Mockmas]

I don't like either of them but her tan was **** are we really gonna blame them for commenting on it..

It's when they carried it on when she came out in the Garden to make her feel uncomfortable is when it went too far as I'm a weird BB viewer, if you're gonna say something personal about someone's looks it's better to do it behind their back so they don't feel humiliated.

[Vicky.]

It's when they carried it on when she came out in the Garden to make her feel uncomfortable is when it went too far as I'm a weird BB viewer, if you're gonna say something personal about someone's looks it's better to do it behind their back so they don't feel humiliated.

But then they would be 'slagging ehr of behind her back'

Honestly, I hate it when you go over to someone and the conversation stops dead or its really obvious they changed the convo as they were talking about you so kinda prefer them to carry on

Joe was surprisingly...nice. Compared to his usual 'honesty' of course.

[sampvt]

She look ridiculous. Where are her parents?

they have been tangoed as well :dance::dance::dance:

[Merry Mockmas]

But then they would be 'slagging ehr of behind her back'

Honestly, I hate it when you go over to someone and the conversation stops dead or its really obvious they changed the convo as they were talking about you so kinda prefer them to carry on

Joe was surprisingly...nice. Compared to his usual 'honesty' of course.

But it's natural to not want to hurt somebody's feelings I think.

And what I would've done if I was Lotan and Joe was ask questions about her relationship with Kieran (I honestly wouldn't listen) but it's best to pretend to be interested in that rather than going for her looks.

[ThriceShy]

It is normal, her tan however, is as abnormal as a full purple body paint

No it isn't. The fact you have to use purple when she hasnt used purple says it all.

Slagging off appearance is exactly what they were doing and Lotan is a hypocrite in that regard.

If she slagged his tattoos off then he would soon complain and that IS purple ink put all over his body.

[luvjustin]

The I say to someone's face defence is meaningless when you're just using it as an excuse to be a ****. There was absolutely no need to go in on her like that. Plus they carried it on behind her back later anyway.

Maybe the girl doesn't want to look naturally. Leave her the **** alone. I'm sure she has mirrors and knows exactly how she looks. She has those boys sussed by the looks of it.

[Northern Monkey]

It's only right that people tell her how ridiculous she looks.They're doing her a cheesy Quaver.Maybe it might help her change her ways.

[Merry Mockmas]

It's only right that people tell her how ridiculous she looks.They're doing her a cheesy Quaver.Maybe it might help her change her ways.

Why should she change her ways? I thought that people could live any lifestyle that they want?

[Withano]

No it isn't. The fact you have to use purple when she hasnt used purple says it all.

Slagging off appearance is exactly what they were doing and Lotan is a hypocrite in that regard.

If she slagged his tattoos off then he would soon complain and that IS purple ink put all over his body.

I get your point. Dont mention anybodys appearance even if its completely abnormal, unavoidable, and self inflicted.. in an ideal world, that makes a lot of sense. Not really realistic though is it.

[Northern Monkey]

Why should she change her ways? I thought that people could live any lifestyle that they want?

So that people don't take the piss out of her for the rest of her life.She looks ridiculous and it will hold her back in life

[Vicky.]

I get your point. Dont mention anybodys appearance even if its completely abnormal, unavoidable, and self inflicted.. in an ideal world, that makes a lot of sense. Not really realistic though is it.

Like those people on that 'my barbie body' programme I think its called thats coming up on c5. Totally normal. Do not mention the forked tongue, black eyeballs and 6000 piercings.

[Merry Mockmas]

So that people don't take the piss out of her for the rest of her life.She looks ridiculous and it will hold her back in life

She does look ridiculous, but when you barely know someone why would you want to mention how they look? That's what happened here.

[ThriceShy]

I get your point. Dont mention anybodys appearance even if its completely abnormal, unavoidable, and self inflicted.. in an ideal world, that makes a lot of sense. Not really realistic though is it.

So you think that slagging off Lotan's tattoos would be fine?

What would you say is more abnormal? Applying too much tan or going to a parlour to have purple ink injected all over your skin to make pictures?

[Lstan]

This isnt a shock, why do you think the boys wanted the two girls in the house in the first place?

[Withano]

So you think that slagging off Lotan's tattoos would be fine?

What would you say is more abnormal? Applying too much tan or going to a parlour to have purple ink injected all over your skin to make pictures?

The tan is abnormal, she far exceeded an average dose.. but questioning a persons tattoo wouldnt be inappropriate either, especially if they're abnormal/unavoidable? Ive not noticed personally so I dont know if theyre more abnormal

[azi]

Scums of the earth. Why do you have to judge someone like that. I felt so bad for her.

[vesavius]

Scums of the earth. Why do you have to judge someone like that. I felt so bad for her.

Selective outrage is awesome.

[Rob!]

Joe is honestly vile and the fact that the lads appear to look up to him as some sort of Aslan character makes it even worse

[azi]

Selective outrage is awesome.

How is it selective?

[Vicky.]

The tan is abnormal, she far exceeded an average dose.. but questioning a persons tattoo wouldnt be inappropriate either, especially if they're abnormal/unavoidable? Ive not noticed personally so I dont know if theyre more abnormal

One is for sure. Actually not sure what the point is but he has his wrist to elbow pretty much in solid dark colour. I for some reason thought he may have an advertisement or something there and BB was making him cover it but I think it is actually just a block of ink. Looks awful :laugh:

[Withano]

One is for sure. Actually not sure what the point is but he has his wrist to elbow pretty much in solid dark colour. I for some reason thought he may have an advertisement or something there and BB was making him cover it but I think it is actually just a block of ink. Looks awful :laugh:

Oh yeh! I do remember someone on here was talking about his blackout tattoo. They are odd! I'm sure people in the house have questioned it offscreen. Its just natural to want to know more about body modifications really. I'll have to watch one of these episodes with my glasses on one day haha.

[Parmy]

How is it selective?


Dunno

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I know her tan is too dark, but I think Isabelle is alright. The lads of course will make fun of her. Urgh, nasty twats!

[ThriceShy]

The tan is abnormal, she far exceeded an average dose.. but questioning a persons tattoo wouldnt be inappropriate either, especially if they're abnormal/unavoidable? Ive not noticed personally so I dont know if theyre more abnormal

The tan is abnormal in your opinion.

Isabelle has stated categorically that she is happy with it. So why can't they leave her alone?

[SteveG2688]

Her tan is awful but i wouldn't say to a stranger that they need to tone the tan down. Its really rude and uncalled for to start on a strangers personal appearance. f it was a mate and you mention it fine or if they ask your opinion but other then that, no you dont do it. Its really rude.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

i dot think they could help mention it

its like she had blacked up for a an ep of It Aint Half Hot MUm

[Withano]

The tan is abnormal in your opinion.

Isabelle has stated categorically that she is happy with it. So why can't they leave her alone?

I'm sure they will. If they continue to question her on it, I'll join your side of the argument. You cant ignore the elephant in the room!

Lotan and Joe are dicks, but their questioning here was fair.

[ThriceShy]

I'm sure they will. If they continue to question her on it, I'll join your side of the argument. You cant ignore the elephant in the room!

Lotan and Joe are dicks, but their questioning here was fair.

So you believe that slating someone's appearance is ok in certain circumstances? If a woman walked in with fake massive tits would that be a fair target for the boys?

Im genuinely interested in your opinion here. I am not sure if you are serious.

[Withano]

So you believe that slating someone's appearance is ok in certain circumstances? If a woman walked in with fake massive tits would that be a fair target for the boys?

Im genuinely interested in your opinion here. I am not sure if you are serious.

People question Chanelles surgical procedures all the time :shrug: people are interested in body modifications. The more bizarre, abnormal, and unavoidable body modifications get, the more acceptable it is to bring it up in conversation imo.

As far as fake tan goes - you can not get any more abnormal. youd have to compare the scenario to the worlds largest surgical breasts for the comparison to work, and yes id imagine the person with the worlds largest surgical breasts receives regular questioning about them (think she was on This Morning the other month answering questions about them from Phil and Holly actually).

[Withano]

People question Chanelles surgical procedures all the time :shrug: people are interested in body modifications. The more bizarre, abnormal, and unavoidable body modifications get, the more acceptable it is to bring it up in conversation imo.

As far as fake tan goes - you can not get any more abnormal. youd have to compare the scenario to the worlds largest surgical breasts for the comparison to work, and yes id imagine the person with the worlds largest surgical breasts receives regular questioning about them (think she was on This Morning the other month answering questions about them from Phil and Holly actually).

Oh no wait, it was just a really tanned person that happened to have large breasts. Point accidentally proven. cqfWdtbMwvk

[ThriceShy]

People question Chanelles surgical procedures all the time :shrug: people are interested in body modifications. The more bizarre, abnormal, and unavoidable body modifications get, the more acceptable it is to bring it up in conversation imo.

As far as fake tan goes - you can not get any more abnormal. youd have to compare the scenario to the worlds largest surgical breasts for the comparison to work, and yes id imagine the person with the worlds largest surgical breasts receives regular questioning about them (think she was on This Morning the other month answering questions about them from Phil and Holly actually).

We aren't talking about questioning. It's the snide gossiping about her appearance behind her back.

But you seem to think it's fine. Each to their own.

[Vicky.]

We aren't talking about questioning. It's the snide gossiping about her appearance behind her back.

But you seem to think it's fine. Each to their own.

Tbf they said it to her face too and were slated for that as it was 'nasty'

So...of course it will be mentioned as its obvious and very in your face, so should they be bitching behind backs or saying it to her? :suspect:

[ThriceShy]

Tbf they said it to her face too and were slated for that as it was 'nasty'

So...of course it will be mentioned as its obvious and very in your face, so should they be bitching behind backs or saying it to her? :suspect:

Both are nasty, or are we now claiming that slating looks to someone's face is somehow noble?

Why would you slate the appearance of someone you just met? Where do you draw the line? Are disfigurements fair game?

[Withano]

Both are nasty, or are we now claiming that slating looks to someone's face is somehow noble?

Why would you slate the appearance of someone you just met? Where do you draw the line? Are disfigurements fair game?

Did you just compare a fake tan to a disfigurement lol.

[Withano]

We aren't talking about questioning. It's the snide gossiping about her appearance behind her back.

But you seem to think it's fine. Each to their own.

Raph, Kieran, and Rebecca also discussed her tan behind her back onscreen - the rest of the house probably discussed it offscreen. Like Ive said, there are reasons to dislike Lotan and Joe, but this shouldnt be one.

[ethanjames]

charming

[ThriceShy]

Did you just compare a fake tan to a disfigurement lol.

No.

Are disfigurements fair game? What about acne? Hair loss?

I'm just trying to gauge how far Lotion's fans would go to defend him.

[Withano]

No.

Are disfigurements fair game? What about acne? Hair loss?

I'm just trying to gauge how far Lotion's fans would go to defend him.

Idk, Lotans my least favourite housemate by a clear mile. Joes my 3rd least favourite. None of the things you mentioned are similar to fake tan (obviously)

[Vicky.]

Both are nasty, or are we now claiming that slating looks to someone's face is somehow noble?

Why would you slate the appearance of someone you just met? Where do you draw the line? Are disfigurements fair game?

You just said the problem was them talking behind her back :S

Pointing out something as obvious as that tan, and questioning it I really do not see as a problem. Especially as she was taking the piss out of her own tan a few mins earlier in the task.

Genuinely do not understand why some people are so wound up by this. Lotan and Joe have many faults, but this seems a bit of a daft reason to egt worked up about. Isabelle didn't care either :laugh:

To answer your final question, if I met someone who had overdone the fake tan to that extent then yes I probably would mention it. Especially if I had been drinking and the person had already been talking about it. I don't understand the comparison with disfigurement? :shrug: I guess my line would be ridiculous self inflicted things (an example given earlier...oversized plastic tits) are fair game. Much like those idiots who are injecting dye into their eyeballs to look like aliens, I would DEFINTIELY talk about that. Disfigurements..no. Assuming you mean actual disfigurements rather than overinflated ducklips, the stupid new eyebrow trend and stuff? Eg. A burnt face from a fire or something. Of course I wouldn't mention that unless the person themselves brought it up

[Vicky.]

Ohhh I see (saw that post after I had posted my reply just now)

I am not a Lotan fan. I have no fave tbh though am liking Hannah and Savannah right now.

I understand now that the problem is because it was Lotan that said it and some do not think he is the devil incarnate for mocking a very silly looking tan.

[ThriceShy]

Idk, Lotans my least favourite housemate by a clear mile. Joes my 3rd least favourite. None of the things you mentioned are similar to fake tan (obviously)

It doesn't matter what you subjectively think is similar to what. There is a basic level of manners and decency that most people have that prevents them slating the looks of people they have just met.

[y.winter]

Tbh, you can't look at her and not question that horrid colour.

Regardless, the boys are awful anyway...

[ThriceShy]

Lotan at it again. Calling her orange the next morning. His barnet is far more ridiculous than her tan.

[Withano]

It doesn't matter what you subjectively think is similar to what. There is a basic level of manners and decency that most people have that prevents them slating the looks of people they have just met.

If it doesnt matter, then why did you ask me multiple times about them lol.

Manners does not cover ignoring a person who has painted themselves head to toe in any non-human colour imo