Is Raph playing a game?

[Jack_]

It's the perennial question but what's the answer?

I'm now bewildered as to what he's actually doing. On the one hand I have this theory that he's clocked on that it's vote to save and has made a conscious effort to start stirring **** and causing drama so he'll fare better (whereas under VTE he could've done what he did in the first week...not much), as well as emphasising the 'divide' to endear himself and the others to the public, but then the other half of me wonders whether he's actually going about this the right way? That is, the more he and the others isolate themselves and are perceived as taking everything too seriously (which, if I'm looking at this objectively - I'd say they were during the mouse incident), the more he's sinking his own ship. Not to mention the bitching runs a risk of two things, A) being perceived as just that, a bitch, and B) him being exposed in some ridiculous task...surely he must know production's penchant for this? Finally, in terms of house politics, isolating yourself and walking away from and actively admitting you don't like a certain conversation (whether he's entitled or right to do so or not) is a terrible social game and is basically asking to be nominated.

But then again, maybe this is just the way he is, he's just being himself and It's Not That Deep? idk, I'm very confused at this point :conf:

[Wizard.]

I think he has accepted he will be up every week so isn't even trying to have a social game (giving me Kevin teas)

[Vladimir]

I don't see any game playing honestly (not that I wouldn't support a game player). I'd also tell my friends if someone was talking **** about them behind their back even if it is considered **** stirring.

[Nicky91]

yes this isn't the real Raph :(

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

It's a gamshow and he's playing it well. Lotan is too thick to realise what he's done doing :joker:

[Jake.]

Genuinely don't think he is (and I don't really want to get into how he is in "real life" cause people are sick of it) lol.

[Nicky91]

It's a gamshow and he's playing it well. Lotan is too thick to realise what he's done doing :joker:

same as Charlotte, she's also playing her own game, staying out of all the drama, and not being a total camera lover is so what i love :)


i hate desperate camera loving housemates :yuk:

[aj2463]

Well he's in a type of game show, so it wouldn't be too far a stretch to think that. But i wouldn't see the probem, everyone has a game plan, wether they admit it or not

[Christmas Dynasnow]

of course not its impossible as he has no idea what makes the edit

he is just being himself and if you like that type of person, great

[Oliver_W]

If I was going into the Big Brother house, I most definitely
a) would have a gameplan
b) wouldn't admit it on camera

As for Raph ... he's probably not playing the game he expected to, but he knows the show well enough to put some thought into his actions, and their effect on the others and the public.

I think he has accepted he will be up every week so isn't even trying to have a social game (giving me Kevin teas)
I don't remember a housemate/houseguest by that name ... are you referring to ThatKevinMartin?

[CallumJoshuaSturt]

Considering Ralph is a huge BB fan. He's an absolutely shocking housemate.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Considering Ralph is a huge BB fan. He's an absolutely shocking housemate.

:clap1:

[chuff me dizzy]

If this is a game the "BB super fan/Master Gamer" is playing he's dropped a major ball because he's playing it terribly, I think last night blew any hope he had of winning

[Kazanne]

I was so disappointed in him last night,I wanted him to win too,:fist:

[bots]

I was so disappointed in him last night,I wanted him to win too,:fist:

once bb play his antics back to his "friends" he is a goner

[chuff me dizzy]

I was so disappointed in him last night,I wanted him to win too,:fist:

Last night was a disaster for him :joker: .....his true colours as a snake boy shone out

[ChristmasNeeve]

I think he's doing a bit of both tbh some of it is calculated but its mostly his personality, i think hes doing great

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I think he's doing a bit of both tbh some of it is calculated but its mostly his personality, i think hes doing great

Me too. And it's great to see him stand up for himself. Put Tom in his place :clap1:

[Epic.]

To an extent yes and he's playing it really well. If I was to play a game there, I'd lead a group of the less popular housemates also and he's fantastic at keeping Chanelle and the sisters as calmed down as he can. He's sometimes been accused of just being a bitch or a coward but jumping into confrontation this early is a huge risk for BB and even still he's shown a more confrontational side as of late. His chances of winning increased a lot after this episode

[Vicky.]

Yes he is playing a game. I think he is playing it badly though as he seems to have forgotten that the public are actually watching and get a say in this :laugh: And he of all people should know that the running between group tittletattling, bitching a lot and appearing to throw his friends under the bus for the sake of his 'gameplan' doesn't tend to go down well at all. He is trying to be the victim, however noone is actually victimizing him, which again doesn't tend to go down well. If he could have been a bit slyer about it and actually looked like the victim then it would be great (though personally I hate the 'victim' plan usually)

The rest of his plan seems to be to get the heat off himself by getting his m,ates to kick off and make themselves a target for nominations. And if they all end up going, its no skin off his nose as the pity thing will work better.

Basically, a decentish game but not when its so obvious what he is doing :laugh:

[ChristmasNeeve]

He's still second favourite to win though Vicky so is he really playing it that badly?

[Vicky.]

He's still second favourite to win though Vicky so is he really playing it that badly?

Thats only because the rest are such unlikable personalities (or pretty invisible) at the moment though :laugh:

He should be walking this really, given he watches like all series and could take the best bits from each of the best players plans.

Also early faves tend to not actually do that well.

I think he will make the final though.

[Jack_]

:whistle:

[Littlegreen]

No

I still believe he is being himself and whispers from others have just created this perception of him.

Because he is a fan, he must be a gameplayer.

[iRyan]

To a degree yes. Everyone in there is playing a game. But I certainly don't think he's a master manipulator, sneaky, or calculating.

[SoberLikeGizmo]

Did he play a game to get into the show? - yes

Is he still playing a game? - Yes, everyone in the house has a game, I dont think having a game plan is a bad thing at all, people assume when someone says game plan, they mean someone 2 faced, but being social and nice to others to me is a form of game plan as its the part of the game to not get nominated by the others. I think Kerion plays this part perfectly as he is not offensive to anyone, very bland and sits on the fence alot, and in previous seasons he could have won, but with less figures I think that form of game is old fashioned.

I do think Raph has played a game, he created the dived in the house, but he is not malicious in any way, he is a likeable person and is loyal to the people he wants to be. I think he would be a great winner, much more deserving then Ellie who is a desperate fake and chanelle who is too valguar for my liking. I also think I see myself in him alot, a fan of big brother, so of course I want him to do well.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Haven't watched today's episode yet and am in the last ten minutes of yesterday's currently but yes, like ****ing duh he is? It's subtle and he puts in a lot of effort to cover his tracks, which may or may not be the good thing (depends on whether the public is completely snowed into loving him or if they just don't reward his gameplan because it's too subtle), but I think it really just comes down to how he is attempting to write his own narrative and the language he is using in doing so. Whether he chose to be or whether he just got lucky with the editors, he became the de facto preacher in the DR about how thorn cottage is the underdog bedroom and rose cottage is where ~*THE CLIQUE*~ sleeps, and I think right now he's purposefully undermining Joe and presenting it in a way that looks like Joe is provoking him.

[Rustic bauble]

To a degree yes. Everyone in there is playing a game. But I certainly don't think he's a master manipulator, sneaky, or calculating.


He is very much the Master manipulator...he is extremely sneaky and very calculating.
It is a game and most of them are playing it. He is playing a clever one..he knows EXACTLY what he is doing. However he is not only fooling most of the housemates...he is fooling the public...and after tonight's BOTS exposure...will the public turn on him?...or will they love him for it?
They have such a dire line up in the house...he hasn't much competition.

[armand.kay]

Had you asked me before bots I would of said I believe he's being himself 100% and his VT was a load of **** but his audition tape fits in so well with his actions in the house I'm a bit shook.

[Rustic bauble]

Haven't watched today's episode yet and am in the last ten minutes of yesterday's currently but yes, like ****ing duh he is? It's subtle and he puts in a lot of effort to cover his tracks, which may or may not be the good thing (depends on whether the public is completely snowed into loving him or if they just don't reward his gameplan because it's too subtle), but I think it really just comes down to how he is attempting to write his own narrative and the language he is using in doing so. Whether he chose to be or whether he just got lucky with the editors, he became the de facto preacher in the DR about how thorn cottage is the underdog bedroom and rose cottage is where ~*THE CLIQUE*~ sleeps, and I think right now he's purposefully undermining Joe and presenting it in a way that looks like Joe is provoking him.

Spot on.

[Northern Monkey]

I made a thread like this a while ago where i said I couldn't work him out.I'll admit,I still can't.It seems more and more like he is the more we progress.
If he is then fair play to him.
Infact i think i'll like him alot more if he is.

[ChristmasNeeve]

I never watched BOTS last night so I missed the VT. I would always take those with a pinch of salt though, you have to make yourself sound outrageous to get on the show (or else have an agent) I stand by my original comment in this thread. I do think, as a superfan, he's definitely thinking about the game and some stuff he does may be calculated but I think he's generally a nice guy. I mean to me he seems exactly the same kind of a person in there as he came across on the forum, that's not to say his forum self wasn't an act too but that would have been a long and an exhausting facade to put up both here and to carry it on in the house, the same personality. he'd be pretty talented to do that :laugh:

[sampvt]

yes this isn't the real Raph :(

If this is the real Raph, its a sad state of affairs, as he will never find love or friendship. Being as twisted as he is coming across will not bode well for his future unless its on a couch being questioned.

Going in there and acting a game plan out is hard and can be applauded, but saying he isnt doing that and this is the real him, is extremely worrying.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I never watched BOTS last night so I missed the VT. I would always take those with a pinch of salt though, you have to make yourself sound outrageous to get on the show (or else have an agent) I stand by my original comment in this thread. I do think, as a superfan, he's definitely thinking about the game and some stuff he does may be calculated but I think he's generally a nice guy. I mean to me he seems exactly the same kind of a person in there as he came across on the forum, that's not to say his forum self wasn't an act too but that would have been a long and an exhausting facade to put up both here and to carry it on in the house, the same personality. he'd be pretty talented to do that :laugh:
I agree. He was hamming it up to get in the house. Has he ever been nasty or rude in there? No, he's always respectful and kind to everyone.

[Nicky91]

we can more say producers are playing a game, the one evicted will be the one who they want out, and at the moment it is Joe i think

[TaylorCallum]

If this is the real Raph, its a sad state of affairs, as he will never find love or friendship. Being as twisted as he is coming across will not bode well for his future unless its on a couch being questioned.

Going in there and acting a game plan out is hard and can be applauded, but saying he isnt doing that and this is the real him, is extremely worrying.

It's okay he doesn't believe in love anyway :fan:.