Did Tom deserve his warning?

[Vicky.]

I know most on here cannot stand Tom (myself included) but I really do not think he deserved that warning, especially as BB checked with Savannah beforehand and she said she wasn't bothered.

IMO this is killing BB. The warnings about **** all. They get random warnings for stuff that isn't even a bloody problem. Something like that would have been laughed at in the c4 days ffs. Obviously if Savannah had had an issue then the warning would be 100% deserved but she didn't and found it all funny...as mates tend to do.

Does anyone think that Toms warning was deserved? :shrug:

[lewis111]

I think if Savannah had said she was bothered he would have been removed
The warning was the lighter option

[lewis111]

Whilst on this topic
He didn't get warned for talking about nominations yet again in the whole code to Keiran thing

[joeysteele]

Yes.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

WELL aaron frew got ejected for doing the exact same thing?? except tom used someone else's genitals instead of his own

[Epic.]

No, his action was vile and disgusting, especially taking into consideration she asked him to stop. If anything he'd have been removed had she not said she didn't mind

[storybrooke]

I personally feel that a warning was warranted. It did seem a bit inappropriate and had Savannah been more offended by his actions, Tom would have been ejected.

[Jordan.]

I think a warning is justified, Aaron should have gotten the same (in bb16)

[Vicky.]

WELL aaron frew got ejected for doing the exact same thing?? except tom used someone else's genitals instead of his own

Joel was bothered by it though. He was obviously uncomfortable at the time also and physically trying to get away

Savannah was not, and was saying get off but laughing her head off

I find this the key difference

[Kazanne]

I know most on here cannot stand Tom (myself included) but I really do not think he deserved that warning, especially as BB checked with Savannah beforehand and she said she wasn't bothered.

IMO this is killing BB. The warnings about **** all. They get random warnings for stuff that isn't even a bloody problem. Something like that would have been laughed at in the c4 days ffs. Obviously if Savannah had had an issue then the warning would be 100% deserved but she didn't and found it all funny...as mates tend to do.

Does anyone think that Toms warning was deserved? :shrug:

It was plain to see they were messing about,nothing sexual was intended ,just having a giggle imo and no he didn't deserve a warning.

[Shaun]

I did think at the time that Aaron's ejection in BB16 was a bit random and unnecessary but once you do something like that you throw open the door for similar scrutiny of everyone else in the future.

Generally think a warning's fine but not an ejection/final warning for it, so long as the other party wasn't upset by it.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Joel was bothered by it though. He was obviously uncomfortable at the time also and physically trying to get away

Savannah was not, and was saying get off but laughing her head off

I find this the key difference

she would have been trying to get away too if she could move :x

like she had 2 grown men pinning her down

justice for aaron frew!

[Ross.]

A warning was justified so it was made clear that whilst Savannah was okay with it this time, in another situation she or another housemate might've found it uncomfortable so ensures (or at least tries too) that it won't happen again

[Cal.]

For sure.

Savannah AND Lotan asked him to stop.

[Lstan]

The warning was to cover their own asses.

Kinda thought this was evident.

[Rob!]

I cannot stand Tom but I thought "sexual intimidation" was a bit of a stretch.

[Vicky.]

I cannot stand Tom but I thought "sexual intimidation" was a bit of a stretch.

Yes I think this is my main problem with it tbh.

We had 2 warnings of 'sexual intimidation' tonight too...anyone know what the second instance was meant to be?!

[letmein]

They had to as it's going out on television and had to ensure that she was okay and they didn't want Tom to try it again... next time she may be uncomfortable with it. The last thing they need is a sexual assault lawsuit and scandal. The producers were doing their job. They should have stopped it the moment it happened though.

[bots]

Yes I think this is my main problem with it tbh.

We had 2 warnings of 'sexual intimidation' tonight too...anyone know what the second instance was meant to be?!

It was very close to the beginning, so long ago i've forgotten about it :laugh:

[Amy Jade]

Just a warning maybe or a reminder of the rules? Savannah was fine with it so I didn't really think it needed taking much further.

[letmein]

And BTW, they've already made comments about her size. She's like a munchkin. They don't want to see a young woman being taken advantage out. Tom was playing, but it was obviously sexual in nature.

[Vicky.]

It was very close to the beginning, so long ago i've forgotten about it :laugh:

We had a sexual intimidation warning for the Tom/Lotan/Savannah thing

But there was another sexual intimidation warning after this :S

[T*]

WELL aaron frew got ejected for doing the exact same thing?? except tom used someone else's genitals instead of his own

This
He should've been ejected imo

[DouglasS]

No way should he be ejected that is completely ridiculous, they were just messing about and Savannah was having fun also. I also believe a final warning was far too harsh, no one was hurt/upset/insulted - Infact all 3 parties were having fun, being silly and drunk and so yes I think BB overeacted and that he didn't deserve the warning.

[LukeB]

Yes he did, it was disgusting. even if she was alright with it, it's gross

[pontyboi]

No. I dislike both tom and Lotan but she said she wasn't offended. A classic case of BB having to be pc in case sensitive viewers were offended by a willy.

[LukeB]

This
He should've been ejected imo

I don't think it's ejectee worthy since Joel was uncomfortable but it's still warning worthy. She didn't invite them to do that so it's disgusting even if she didn't mind.

[Merry Mockmas]

If they was fully nude then I understand the warning.

I am happy that Savannah actually stuck up for them though and didn't do what Joel did to Aaron in BB16 where he backstabbed his friend over a drunken game gone wrong.

[Jack_]

I've always maintained that Aaron shouldn't have been ejected, that instance is where a 'formal and final warning' would've sufficed.

I think the reason for this one was that they want to ensure he doesn't end up doing it to someone who would be offended, but a reprimanding and reminder of the rules and how it could be misinterpreted would've been more appropriate than a formal warning.

[Rustic bauble]

No...a telling off maybe. Savannah saw it all as fun and boyish behaviour she wasn't upset or offended...had she been then yes...but she wasn't so no..

[Locke.]

Oh dear. People are so PC these days. He was having a laugh with mates who all found it funny. Jesus christ.

[rionablue]

I know most on here cannot stand Tom (myself included) but I really do not think he deserved that warning, especially as BB checked with Savannah beforehand and she said she wasn't bothered.

IMO this is killing BB. The warnings about **** all. They get random warnings for stuff that isn't even a bloody problem. Something like that would have been laughed at in the c4 days ffs. Obviously if Savannah had had an issue then the warning would be 100% deserved but she didn't and found it all funny...as mates tend to do.

Does anyone think that Toms warning was deserved? :shrug:

I think once Savannah was ok with it BB could have spoken to him about it but not given him an official warning. THAT should have been dealt to him if Savannah had been in any way hurt or made feel uncomfortable

[BBDodge]

Not worth a warning and not not worth a spot in the Highlights. Tedious bedroom antics for the cameras.

[jet]

Whether Savannah was okay with it isn't really a pass for them, as they had no way of knowing if she would be okay with it at the start. It was inappropriate and gross - and she could have been hurt with 2 grown men lying on top of her and squirming about.

[LukeB]

Whether Savannah was okay with it isn't really a pass for them, as they had no way of knowing if she would be okay with it at the start. It was inappropriate and gross - and she could have been hurt with 2 grown men lying on top of her and squirming about.

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[Locke.]

Whether Savannah was okay with it isn't really a pass for them, as they had no way of knowing if she would be okay with it at the start. It was inappropriate and gross - and she could have been hurt with 2 grown men lying on top of her and squirming about.

I don't think there's any 'them' about it in any case, Lotan was drunk and being pushed/thrown around playfully. He asked Tom to stop himself so it wasn't him doing anything, other than falling on the bed and then ground.

Although I still don't think it's punishable behaviour for either of them anyway.

The only problem I have with things like this is poor old Vintage Joe trying to sleep, seems like every night there's something going on to keep him up

[DouglasS]

I don't think there's any 'them' about it in any case, Lotan was drunk and being pushed/thrown around playfully. He asked Tom to stop himself so it wasn't him doing anything, other than falling on the bed and then ground.

Although I still don't think it's punishable behaviour for either of them anyway .
I agree with this. Lotan was literally picked up and thrown, I don't really know how he could have any fault. Tom was clearly just joking also and was actually in the room and able to read the signals that Savannah was also having a laugh.

[Ant.]

WELL aaron frew got ejected for doing the exact same thing?? except tom used someone else's genitals instead of his own

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Savannah not being bothered is why this was only a warning. I do think the warning was warranted tbh, although not personally. I'm fine seeing that on TV, but people would find that disrespectful and upsetting and hence BB needs to give a warning to make sure they aren't angry at the behaviour. If that was anyone else it could've ended in a big fight

[the truth]

meanwhile the other girl was perving at a male housemate in the house inches away from the see through door

[Alf]

No! Big Brother are loosing the plot.

Nothing said about Chanelle peeping Tomming on Special K getting a shower. Can you imagine if say, Vintage Joe was doing that to say Savannah?

[Amy Jade]

meanwhile the other girl was perving at a male housemate in the house inches away from the see through door

It was a joke/prank.

The guy even laughed along...and there was glass between them

[LukeB]

meanwhile the other girl was perving at a male housemate in the house inches away from the see through door

that's different

[armand.kay]

yes it was very inappropriate.

[JerseyWins]

If Savannah didn't see it as just goofing around, then he definitely deserved a warning for that if not possibly ejection. Since she didn't mind it, it's borderline but I don't think he even deserves a warning. I'm not even sure how the warnings work on this show though... Chanelle seems to just keep getting them with no consequence so eh if they don't mean anything then sure give him a warning regardless. :joker: It's definitely something you shouldn't do typically if someone's uncomfortable with it.

[the truth]

It was a joke/prank.

The guy even laughed along...and there was glass between them

afterwards SHE was laughing
It was 100% wrong and totally inapproproiate
if any man did that to nay woman he would be booted from the house and possibly arrested. double standards

[Withano]

Ejection if he offended Sav directly, warning for offending some viewers indirectly.. bb got it right

[sungrass]

Cant stand him but he didnt deserve the warning - I was watching vintage BB yesterday "greatest BB fights" and the stuff that used to go on an no one would get a warning for - all this warnings and PC/snowflake (I hate the word snowflake!) stuff is ruining the show. But glad lotan has gone - he had been seeing red a long time - he had such and INTENSE dislike for Isobelle - she's just a kid fgs - saying "you re not intelligent enough to speak to me" he is an awful person.

[jaxie]

I think the warning was warrented, after all he was shoving a nakie man on top of her and aside from the unpleasant circumstance of a face full of bizarrely insured cheesy peen, they could have physically hurt her rolling around on her.

[thesheriff443]

Let a drunk stranger put his cock and balls in your face when you are in bed, if you think that's acceptable, pm your address so I can come over to your and do it.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I would say Tom deserves his warning mainly for the trousers he is wearing in neems prank video

:umm2:

[JTM45]

Oh dear. People are so PC these days. He was having a laugh with mates who all found it funny. Jesus christ.

If he was having a laugh with his mates at home it would be one thing but they're making a TV show where the producers could end up in all kinds of bother if they aren't seen to be doing the 'legally' right thing. Pretty easy to see it for what it is and why it happened really.:shrug:

It's well overdue that they do something about the little twat constantly talking nominations though. Should be a fixed 'talk about nominations = up for eviction' rule every time someone does it. They might stop doing it if there's some actual consequence.

[thesheriff443]

If you you also notice bb says its a final warning!
So this cant be his first warning.