What Isabelle said wasn't bad

[TomC]

Lotan totally overreacted. It's like the Rebecca daughter thing, she didn't say anything about his son - she just said he was a poor role model. WHich he is. He was being ****ing vile to her before it all kicked off

[storybrooke]

He can't have realistically expected to keep on insulting her looks for her not to retaliate in the slightest.

[Niamh.]

Exactly. He was treating her terribly and she pointed that out, calmly

[Ross.]

:clap1:

[MargMalc]

Lotan has insulted her from when she came in about her looks intelligence etc, and what rattled him was the fact she stood up to him, without shouting and screaming. I agree what she said about his son was not that bad, what we have seen of his attitude in there to woman in general, he is no role model in my opinion.
Sam could have been in if it was not for his ego, ruling the other two.

[MB.]

I can't believe he proved her right so effortlessly

[Amy Jade]

She wasn't wrong either. He is a terrible role model.

[LukeB]

After his comments tonight she is right. Isabelle speaks the truth

[Mullens123]

It wasn't bad because it wasn't a lie. He's been nothing but narcissistic, aggressive all sprinkled with sexist undertones throughout his stay... and now his employers are doing their best to distance themselves from him. Anyone trying to argue he was somehow a victim in all this is as delusional as Lotan was.

[Vicky.]

He can't have realistically expected to keep on insulting her looks for her not to retaliate in the slightest.

Retaliating by bringing his parenting and that into it though IS pretty low, the whole house (including those who dislike Lotan) agreed and even Isabelle herself agreed in the garden.

Most of this foprum would agree if it wasn't Lotan tbh :tongue:

I remember absolute hell on when someone said something about McCleans kid that was along the same lines as this...'BB has nothing to do with parenting' and so on.

[Jian Yang]

It wasn't bad because it wasn't a lie. He's been nothing but narcissistic, aggressive all sprinkled with sexist undertones throughout his stay... and now his employers are doing their best to distance themselves from him. Anyone trying to argue he was somehow a victim in all this is as delusional as Lotan was.

Absolutely spot on :thumbs:

[Amy Jade]

Retaliating by bringing his parenting and that into it though IS pretty low, the whole house (including those who dislike Lotan) agreed and even Isabelle herself agreed in the garden.

Most of this foprum would agree if it wasn't Lotan tbh :tongue:

I remember absolute hell on when someone said something about McCleans kid that was along the same lines as this...'BB has nothing to do with parenting' and so on.
She didn't say he was a bad parent though she just said he wasn't a good role model and he really isn't.

[Drew.]

They overreacted, as expected. It wasn't as bad as most of the stuff they've said towards her, shes been treated so poorly these past few days, they can give it but can't take it at all. Lets not pretend that nearly everything that came out of her mouth about Lotan isn't true either

[Novo]

Wouldn't personally say that to anyone in any situation without knowing how someone was as a parent never mind in front of 800,000 people on TV when you have just met them

[Time]

Can give it but can't take it.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

I have to disagree, it was a low blow, dont bring in children, Lotan was being horrible to her and she took it to far. I agree with Chanelle and Raph, she should have stuck to attacking him. I kinda went off her.

[Ant.]

Retaliating by bringing his parenting and that into it though IS pretty low, the whole house (including those who dislike Lotan) agreed and even Isabelle herself agreed in the garden.

Most of this foprum would agree if it wasn't Lotan tbh :tongue:

I remember absolute hell on when someone said something about McCleans kid that was along the same lines as this...'BB has nothing to do with parenting' and so on.

I mean Nicola wasn't woman-beating or physically aggressive soooo

Also the fact that Nicola's response was "yeah and you're not a mother" and that was it (and not lashing a drink at people and threatening to physically and mentally destroy a woman he's known for less than a week) just speaks wonders about the comments made

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lotan totally overreacted. It's like the Rebecca daughter thing, she didn't say anything about his son - she just said he was a poor role model. WHich he is. He was being ****ing vile to her before it all kicked off

How many children do you have?

[Ant.]

Wouldn't personally say that to anyone in any situation without knowing how someone was as a parent never mind in front of 800,000 people on TV when you have just met them

She shouldn't have said it, but it's still right. I mean hopefully he would've thought "oh **** my child will grow up and see and hear about me threatening to physically and mentally destroy a younger woman for the rest of his lie" but nah

[Lstan]

Lotan totally overreacted. It's like the Rebecca daughter thing, she didn't say anything about his son - she just said he was a poor role model. WHich he is. He was being ****ing vile to her before it all kicked off

Yeah I'm gonna diagree. Not that I am defending anything that happened tonight but what was said about Lotan was a bit more personal that what was said to Joe which was a more general comment.

[Vicky.]

I have to disagree, it was a low blow, dont bring in children, Lotan was being horrible to her and she took it to far. I agree with Chanelle and Raph, she should have stuck to attacking him. I kinda went off her.

Indeed.

[TomC]

How many children do you have?

**** all :)

[azi]

Chanelle is right. If Lotan or someone else from that side said something like this it wouldn't be a big deal but because It's Isabelle they all acted like she killed someone.

[Epic.]

It's also not really that bad since Lotan went low with her first about a) repeatedly mocking her appearance and b) constantly talking down and demeaning her opinions whenever she opened her mouth

[y.winter]

He's somebody's father!!!

[sungrass]

Agree = cant stand him "your not intelligent enough for me to talk to" -thats proper mean girl and getting his gang to ghost her and ostracise her when she is just 21 - terrible role model for his son.

[Withano]

What she said wasnt bad... but I think she intended it to be.

[Cal.]

They seem to just hear the 'son' or 'daughter' bit and it takes them to another level.

[bots]

She poked an angry bear with a stick until it got a reaction. Simple as that.

[Cal.]

As Lotan said himself, if you can't take the heat get out the bloody kitchen!

[Vanessa]

It was out of order.

[Garfie]

In the diary room BB said the following to Lotan: "Big Brother has also spoken to you previously about isolating and intimidating behaviour, particularly towards women.....Last night you threw your drink angrily at Isabelle, Chanelle and Hannah and then threw the empty bottle across the room. Later in the bedroom and then in the Diary Room, you used threatening language about a fellow housemate....."

The fact that BB has mentioned that they have already spoken to Lotan about 'isolating and intimidating behaviour, particularly towards women' gives us a clear idea of how he has been behaving in general and shows this was not a one-off. If he has been constantly doing that to Isabelle, she obviously got to the point where she'd had enough when she made her comment. We saw him trying to belittle and humiliate her during the bottle game and this has been ongoing as BB mentions.

I think there was a massive over-reaction to what Isabelle said. She has not said he is a bad father or that his son would be ashamed of him. She has merely said he is a bad role model, and is therefore commenting on his behaviour in the house and not on his parenting.

BB's comments and the statement from The Dreamboys show that Isabelle is not the only one thinking he is a poor role model.

Lotan has behaved appallingly and pushed Isabelle to the point of making that comment. No-one is to blame for what happened to Lotan but Lotan himself.

[Garfie]

She poked an angry bear with a stick until it got a reaction. Simple as that.

I think you've got this the wrong way round. Lotan poked a bear until he got a reaction, through his constant demeaning and condescending comments towards Isabelle.

During the game, Chanelle objected several times to the group, led by Lotan, repeatedly picking on Isabelle. Why should she sit there and take it, without reacting!?

Lotan provoked her and pushed her too far and got what he deserved.

[Kazanne]

Retaliating by bringing his parenting and that into it though IS pretty low, the whole house (including those who dislike Lotan) agreed and even Isabelle herself agreed in the garden.

Most of this foprum would agree if it wasn't Lotan tbh :tongue:

I remember absolute hell on when someone said something about McCleans kid that was along the same lines as this...'BB has nothing to do with parenting' and so on.

Exactly this Vicky,people are so quick when it's someone they like to skit over a remark that could offend someone, it may seem harmless to those who haven't got children ,but I would have been offended at that too as your kids should not even enter a persons head to have a go at you, and it was the Kim and Nicola spat people got up in arms about when Nicola said Kim had insulted her parenting and others saying she hadn't ,and of course had it not been Lotan,people would have thought it was wrong too.:laugh::clap1::clap1:

[Kazanne]

They seem to just hear the 'son' or 'daughter' bit and it takes them to another level.

Do you have children ? If not ,when you do and someone says anything remotely negative about them or you regarding parenting,then you may understand Lotan being hurt, if you haven't got kids ,you wont really get it.

[Kazanne]

Lotan totally overreacted. It's like the Rebecca daughter thing, she didn't say anything about his son - she just said he was a poor role model. WHich he is. He was being ****ing vile to her before it all kicked off

As I said ,If you haven't got kids you wont understand why Lotans feelings were hurt,it's just a throw away line to most but to a parent it is personal,I myself would have got annoyed over that,Lotan reacted wrongly, but I understand why, and really Isabell has some neck to talk about role models.she needs to clean her own doorstep before she comments on others.

[Cal.]

Do you have children ? If not ,when you do and someone says anything remotely negative about them or you regarding parenting,then you may understand Lotan being hurt, if you haven't got kids ,you wont really get it.

Don't really understand how my posts warrants this but whatever.

[Kazanne]

Don't really understand how my posts warrants this but whatever.

Just asking a simple question as people seem to think what she said was no big deal,but you don't have to answer :shrug:

[Cal.]

Just asking a simple question as people seem to think what she said was no big deal,but you don't have to answer :shrug:

I didn't say that I said I think when people hear their loved one's name ('son' or 'daughter') it takes them to another level anger wise regardless of what was actually said. Like when Joe blew up as soon as he heard his daughter being mentioned by Rebecca.

[Cal.]

You would probably be the same if you were arguing with someone and you heard them mention your children regardless of what they actually said. I wasn't being negative.

[Kazanne]

You would probably be the same if you were arguing with someone and you heard them mention your children regardless of what they actually said. I wasn't being negative.

I know Cal,I was just pointing out if you have kids that kind of remark is offensive, you are protective over your kids and don't want them brought into anything so negative.

[bots]

As I said ,If you haven't got kids you wont understand why Lotans feelings were hurt,it's just a throw away line to most but to a parent it is personal,I myself would have got annoyed over that,Lotan reacted wrongly, but I understand why, and really Isabell has some neck to talk about role models.she needs to clean her own doorstep before she comments on others.

Yes, we all take it personally, of course we do. However, they had both been going at each other tit for tat for a couple of days, Raph had been filling his vipers with bad thoughts knowing full well it would wind already aggressive people up. It was a cumulation of pokes that made him lose his temper in the end

[sampvt]

Lotan totally overreacted. It's like the Rebecca daughter thing, she didn't say anything about his son - she just said he was a poor role model. WHich he is. He was being ****ing vile to her before it all kicked off

You keep thinking that tom, Me and the rest of moral britain might disagree.

[Niamh.]

Agree = cant stand him "your not intelligent enough for me to talk to" -thats proper mean girl and getting his gang to ghost her and ostracise her when she is just 21 - terrible role model for his son.

Yeah exactly all that is awful behaviour and she was pointing that out to him. He doesn't deserve her respect, what she said was accurate and well deserved.

You're not being a good role model for your son means The way you're treating me isn't acceptable behaviour :shrug: She said **** all about his son

I can't believe after all the things he did and said to her that people are saying what she said was worse, it's baffling tbh

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think drink played a large role and also its difficult for younger people who dont have children and indeed its not that long since they were children to realise how personally someone who has children will take a negative comment.

I am sure that when Isabelle has children of her own she will look back at the incident a little differently?

Also I think that Lotan feels bad that he has split up with the childs mum and is hyper sensitive about being a bad parent?

[Kazanne]

I think drink played a large role and also its difficult for younger people who dont have children and indeed its not that long since they were children to realise how personally someone who has children will take a negative comment.

I am sure that when Isabelle has children of her own she will look back at the incident a little differently?

Also I think that Lotan feels bad that he has split up with the childs mum and is hyper sensitive about being a bad parent?

:clap1::clap1:

[Garfie]

Yeah exactly all that is awful behaviour and she was pointing that out to him. He doesn't deserve her respect, what she said was accurate and well deserved.

You're not being a good role model for your son means The way you're treating me isn't acceptable behaviour :shrug: She said **** all about his son

I can't believe after all the things he did and said to her that people are saying what she said was worse, it's baffling tbh

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[Niamh.]

I think drink played a large role and also its difficult for younger people who dont have children and indeed its not that long since they were children to realise how personally someone who has children will take a negative comment.

I am sure that when Isabelle has children of her own she will look back at the incident a little differently?

Also I think that Lotan feels bad that he has split up with the childs mum and is hyper sensitive about being a bad parent?

I have children and I think the way Lotan was behaving towards Isabelle was horrendous. Infact as a mother of a girl only 4 years younger than Isabelle I absolutely agree with her and would be horrified if someone (especially someone who is a parent) was treating my child like that. Imagine someone treating his child like that, he'd be livid. He is an awful role model for his son. He may be a good, caring dad in other ways but he's setting a terrible example to him if that's the way he treats young girls

[Crimson Dynamo]

I have children and I think the way Lotan was behaving towards Isabelle was horrendous. Infact as a mother of a girl only 4 years younger than Isabelle I absolutely agree with her and would be horrified if someone (especially someone who is a parent) was treating my child like that. Imagine someone treating his child like that, he'd be livid. He is an awful role model for his son. He may be a good, caring dad in other ways but he's setting a terrible example to him if that's the way he treats young girls

Yes I understand your point but I am also mindful that this is a reality tv show game where the whole situation is set up to brew conflict and make people behave perhaps not as they would normally and so I can in some way understand why the situation happened without necessary also condoning it

[Niamh.]

Yes I understand your point but I am also mindful that this is a reality tv show game where the whole situation is set up to brew conflict and make people behave perhaps not as they would normally and so I can in some way understand why the situation happened without necessary also condoning it

Yeah I do get that but it seemed like even in normal situations during the day when (I assume) no drink was involved the way he spoke to Isabelle was really awful, telling her she's irrelevant and not allowed to speak and calling her stupid etc

[AnnieK]

I have a child and if someone said what isobelle said...yes it would stop me.in my tracks but it would not give me.a.right to behave as appallingly as.lotan did. It would make me think **** you know theyre right.....if my son sees me acting like this what message am I giving him? That its ok to be vile, ostracise, intimidate and belittle another person...everything I teach him not to do. His friends parents also see that and then suddenly they.dont want their kids to play with him? His son shouldnt be in someone elses mind....but he should have been in lotans

[Garfie]

I have a child and if someone said what isobelle said...yes it would stop me.in my tracks but it would not give me.a.right to behave as appallingly as.lotan did. It would make me think **** you know theyre right.....if my son sees me acting like this what message am I giving him? That its ok to be vile, ostracise, intimidate and belittle another person...everything I teach him not to do. His friends parents also see that and then suddenly they.dont want their kids to play with him? His son shouldnt be in someone elses mind....but he should have been in lotans

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Hopefully he will learn from this experience and become a better father for his child and patch things up with the boys mum and more forward in life

[bots]

Yeah I do get that but it seemed like even in normal situations during the day when (I assume) no drink was involved the way he spoke to Isabelle was really awful, telling her she's irrelevant and not allowed to speak and calling her stupid etc

I honestly can't say one side was better than another, no-one has the high ground in that house. It is contrived. They even mentioned camera hogging twice in that fight segment alone :laugh:

There were only 1 or 2 of them in there that could honestly say they werent involved, and none of those involved were without fault. Raph was as much to blame and as complicit as any of the rest of the aggressive, foul mouthed shower.

[MrWong]

In the diary room BB said the following to Lotan: "Big Brother has also spoken to you previously about isolating and intimidating behaviour, particularly towards women.....Last night you threw your drink angrily at Isabelle, Chanelle and Hannah and then threw the empty bottle across the room. Later in the bedroom and then in the Diary Room, you used threatening language about a fellow housemate....."

The fact that BB has mentioned that they have already spoken to Lotan about 'isolating and intimidating behaviour, particularly towards women' gives us a clear idea of how he has been behaving in general and shows this was not a one-off. If he has been constantly doing that to Isabelle, she obviously got to the point where she'd had enough when she made her comment. We saw him trying to belittle and humiliate her during the bottle game and this has been ongoing as BB mentions.

I think there was a massive over-reaction to what Isabelle said. She has not said he is a bad father or that his son would be ashamed of him. She has merely said he is a bad role model, and is therefore commenting on his behaviour in the house and not on his parenting.

BB's comments and the statement from The Dreamboys show that Isabelle is not the only one thinking he is a poor role model.

Lotan has behaved appallingly and pushed Isabelle to the point of making that comment. No-one is to blame for what happened to Lotan but Lotan himself.

Great post :clap1:

[Niamh.]

I honestly can't say one side was better than another, no-one has the high ground in that house. It is contrived. They even mentioned camera hogging twice in that fight segment alone :laugh:

There were only 1 or 2 of them in there that could honestly say they werent involved, and none of those involved were without fault. Raph was as much to blame and as complicit as any of the rest of the aggressive, foul mouthed shower.

Why? All he did was try to keep his friends away from the fight, what was he supposed to do? :shrug:

[MrWong]

You keep thinking that tom, Me and the rest of moral britain might disagree.

You have no idea what 'moral Britain' think :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think the throwing the drink in the face thing was what pushed BB over as obviously glass can slip and that could lead to life changing injury (and legal issues)?

[MrWong]

I have a child and if someone said what isobelle said...yes it would stop me.in my tracks but it would not give me.a.right to behave as appallingly as.lotan did. It would make me think **** you know theyre right.....if my son sees me acting like this what message am I giving him? That its ok to be vile, ostracise, intimidate and belittle another person...everything I teach him not to do. His friends parents also see that and then suddenly they.dont want their kids to play with him? His son shouldnt be in someone elses mind....but he should have been in lotans

:clap1::clap1:

[bots]

Why? All he did was try to keep his friends away from the fight, what was he supposed to do? :shrug:

ok, running to his girls feeding their aggression at every possible moment, winding them up into an aggressive frenzy knowing full well their tendency toward aggression.

As a further illumination, lets take the spilt water example where one of the sisters asked raph if the spilling of the water was an accident or intentional, and he said it was definitely intentional :laugh: That feeds not very clever aggressive people, and he knows it, that's why he did it. He was very complicit.

[Niamh.]

ok, running to his girls feeding their aggression at every possible moment, winding them up into an aggressive frenzy knowing full well their tendency toward aggression.

As a further illumination, lets take the spilt water example where one of the sisters asked raph if the spilling of the water was an accident or intentional, and he said it was definitely intentional :laugh: That feeds not very clever aggressive people, and he knows it, that's why he did it. He was very complicit.

Ok but these were things that happened prior to "Fight Night" I was talking specifically about that night and he really did nothing but try to calm them down

[bots]

Ok but these were things that happened prior to "Fight Night" I was talking specifically about that night and he really did nothing but try to calm them down

He lit the match, set the flame and waited for it to catch light. He is no little innocent boy. Easy to then act like butter wouldn't melt afterwards.

[Niamh.]

He lit the match, set the flame and waited for it to catch light. He is no little innocent boy. Easy to then act like butter wouldn't melt afterwards.

ahhh I don't know if you can say that really, I think the problem between Lotan and the 4 girls would have been there regardless tbh Hannah went crazy when her friend Chanelle flicked her slipper at her too remember so it makes sense that she would totally freak out when it was someone she didn't like and an actual drink being thrown at her

[sampvt]

Yeah exactly all that is awful behaviour and she was pointing that out to him. He doesn't deserve her respect, what she said was accurate and well deserved.

You're not being a good role model for your son means The way you're treating me isn't acceptable behaviour :shrug: She said **** all about his son

I can't believe after all the things he did and said to her that people are saying what she said was worse, it's baffling tbh

She knew damm well that all she had to do was bring up the mere mention of his son or girlfriends names to use them as a trigger. I agree the content of her verbage was in whole pretty soft, but when you know that it has made him angry before, these outsiders act like a trigger to kick him off. She is a bitch and all bitches know how to push buttons. All she has is her figure and her false hair and false tan. What else does she have to work with, Kieran has already outed her as a sperm bank.

[Niamh.]

She knew damm well that all she had to do was bring up the mere mention of his son or girlfriends names to use them as a trigger. I agree the content of her verbage was in whole pretty soft, but when you know that it has made him angry before, these outsiders act like a trigger to kick him off. She is a bitch and all bitches know how to push buttons. All she has is her figure and her false hair and false tan. What else does she have to work with, Kieran has already outed her as a sperm bank.

You may be right Sam but it doesn't take away from the fact that A- She was correct, his behaviour towards her was appalling and B- He should be able to control himself better than that

[sampvt]

You may be right Sam but it doesn't take away from the fact that A- She was correct, his behaviour towards her was appalling and B- He should be able to control himself better than that

Next time you shout at one of your kids or hubby, leave it for a day or 2 and analise why you did it and were you right. If you feel you were wrong and could have handled it better, then that is the day you have discovered your own flash point. My flashpoint is way higher than my wifes, so we are all different. Obviously Miss Tangoed knew where Lotans flashpoint lay and she used it.

Emotions are very strong triggers. You can call a womans baby ugly and she will smack you but on the other hand you can call someone elses baby she ugly and she will walk away and laugh at you. same story different reactions.

All I am saying is that Miss Tangoed knows who has low flashpoints and how to tweek them. Mark my words, she will now start on Joe as he has a low FP but Kieran would destroy her by turning it back on her.

[bots]

ahhh I don't know if you can say that really, I think the problem between Lotan and the 4 girls would have been there regardless tbh Hannah went crazy when her friend Chanelle flicked her slipper at her too remember so it makes sense that she would totally freak out when it was someone she didn't like and an actual drink being thrown at her

i watched the whole thing back and all i could do was laugh. The way Chanelle jumped up in rage, you could see her winding herself up for her lions roar as she stood up. Debbie took her cue from that and joined in ... It was a pack mentality for sure.

The way lotan jumped in with rage. We can say it was a disrespect to his parenting, but the actual reason was the leadership of his pack was being challenged

[Niamh.]

Next time you shout at one of your kids or hubby, leave it for a day or 2 and analise why you did it and were you right. If you feel you were wrong and could have handled it better, then that is the day you have discovered your own flash point. My flashpoint is way higher than my wifes, so we are all different. Obviously Miss Tangoed knew where Lotans flashpoint lay and she used it.

Emotions are very strong triggers. You can call a womans baby ugly and she will smack you but on the other hand you can call someone elses baby she ugly and she will walk away and laugh at you. same story different reactions.

All I am saying is that Miss Tangoed knows who has low flashpoints and how to tweek them. Mark my words, she will now start on Joe as he has a low FP but Kieran would destroy her by turning it back on her.

I do understand what you're saying Sam and I think there is a very strong possibility that you're right about Isabelle but she used this "skill" in retaliation to Lotan's actions, every action has a reaction so he caused this by treating her like a piece of s**t on his shoe so i have zero sympathy for him. It wasn't an unprovoked attack is what I'm saying. If she just said it out of the blue with no provocation than maybe I would have more sympathy for him but that's far from the case

i watched the whole thing back and all i could do was laugh. The way Chanelle jumped up in rage, you could see her winding herself up for her lions roar as she stood up. Debbie took her cue from that and joined in ... It was a pack mentality for sure.

The way lotan jumped in with rage. We can say it was a disrespect to his parenting, but the actual reason was the leadership of his pack was being challenged

:laugh: It's like Lord of the Flies in there BOTS

[sampvt]

The silly cow Channelle thinks she is the female version of lotan in the other clique, she keeps saying IM NOT HAVING THAT, who the feck gave her alpha status.

[sampvt]

Im not having that, wtf, who gave her alpha status. Thye all over reacted, including lotan.

[Withano]

Lotan only cared an ounce because it came out of Isabelles mouth, he was inching for a fight with her all night

[armand.kay]

Most of this foprum would agree if it wasn't Lotan tbh :tongue:

I wouldn't I've always found the whole "don't you dare bring up my (family member)" thing pretty pathetic.

[armand.kay]

I would like to think that if someone said that to my father he would keep his composure because you know he isn't an animal.

[Lostie!]

I won't condone what she said because it would be hypocritical of me, I think it's always a low blow to bring family into it. That said, I completely understand why she got angry enough to go there, he and his cronies were bullying her all throughout the evening and she snapped as anyone would when they're prodded enough. He brought it on himself.

[Niamh.]

I wouldn't I've always found the whole "don't you dare bring up my (family member)" thing pretty pathetic.

Yeah, there's a difference in bringing up a family member in the way rebecca and Isabelle did and actually insulting a family member

[reece(:]

She didn't say anything about the kid just that he was setting a bad example...

[sampvt]

the fact she brought him up is the point everyone is missing, but that wont stop most.

[Niamh.]

She didn't say anything about the kid just that he was setting a bad example...

Which was so true, he only got mad because instead of making her cry or get angry she just calmly told him his behaviour was unacceptable. Mentally destroyed him she did :hee:

[tanussa]

everything isabelle said to lotan was said with the sole intention of winding him up & was all meant maliciously. why do people see someone like thst as some kind of hero. shes as ugly on the inside as she is on the outside

[Gstar]

Wouldn't personally say that to anyone in any situation without knowing how someone was as a parent never mind in front of 800,000 people on TV when you have just met them

lol @ 800k

Isabelle was right, Lotan is a terrible role model for his son. Truth hurts

[sampvt]

lol @ 800k

Isabelle was right, Lotan is a terrible role model for his son. Truth hurts

He may very well be a bad role model but thats not the point, the fact she brought it up was the issue, why cant people see that.

[armand.kay]

He may very well be a bad role model but thats not the point, the fact she brought it up was the issue, why cant people see that.

I wouldn't of brought it up myself but honestly I couldn't care less that she did. He shouldn't of discussed his son or ex girlfriend in the house if he is so sensitive about the issue.

[supertv247]

Can we just talk about how Isabelle literally started that whole brawl with one little comment, but then she just smiled and descended into thin air throughout it all so that now everyone else looks bad and she won't get evicted :hehe: she's a genius

[Slevin]

i wouldnt bring that stuff up but ****s gonna happen when one is getting the constant **** happening. i dont get how any HM doesnt or doesnt care to realize that bringing up family is gonna get things popping off worse when things are already heated. just dont bring any of it up. even like the Joe/Rebecca incident. doesnt matter if it was meant to be insulting or not. ****s gonna go down in the BB house more likely than not.

[Amy Jade]

I'd definately say the same in the situation, call me a bitch but if he's sitting there calling me names over my physical apperance, literally attacking me for nothing and trying to lead others into doing the same I'd bring up whatever I wanted. He made himself fair game.

Actually I bet his ex is so relieved she got away from him after seeing how pathetic he acted in there. Hope she finds a better man to show her son the right way to act!

[Niamh.]

I'd definately say the same in the situation, call me a bitch but if he's sitting there calling me names over my physical apperance, literally attacking me for nothing and trying to lead others into doing the same I'd bring up whatever I wanted. He made himself fair game.

Actually I bet his ex is so relieved she got away from him after seeing how pathetic he acted in there. Hope she finds a better man to show her son the right way to act!

She was only reacting to him and Ellie being awful to her during that task. They just under estimated her, badly and lost :laugh:

[Daniel-X]

She was doing what she does best? Simply popping the kettle in, adding a sugar or two, putting a teabag in, waiting till the kettle boils, putting the water in, a lil splash of milk for the girls and serving up!

[Amy Jade]

She was only reacting to him and Ellie being awful to her during that task. They just under estimated her, badly and lost :laugh:

Exactly. They probably thought she would slowly be worn down by their constant attacks like some people sadly do when bullied but she kept so calm and collected and then watched Lotan seal his fate and I suspect Issy has put a stop to any chance of Ellie winning now.

[Captain.Remy]

Even though it's not cool to talk about someone's kid, he deserved it and it was the quieter in the room who brought it. Well done Isabelle.

[Amy Jade]

Even though it's not cool to talk about someone's kid, he deserved it and it was the quieter in the room who brought it. Well done Isabelle.

She didn't say anything about his child. She said Lotan was not a good example to him and after the way he treated her she has very much got a point

[Captain.Remy]

She didn't say anything about his child. She said Lotan was not a good example to him and after the way he treated her she has very much got a point

I do agree, yet a child is a child. Then again, she had a point and he deserved to be called out.
I'm still surprised it was Isabelle popping off, out of everyone who had issues with him from the beginning.

[Gusto Brunt]

Isabelle was right though. Lotan is a bad example to his son.

[Vladimir]

It hurt him that much only because what Isabelle said was true.

[Gstar]

Can we just talk about how Isabelle literally started that whole brawl with one little comment, but then she just smiled and descended into thin air throughout it all so that now everyone else looks bad and she won't get evicted :hehe: she's a genius

sounds like fight night II :laugh: