Ellie did hit Hannah

[Jack_]

But I think it was accidental, I've just rewatched this clip a handful of times (and slowed it down) and if you look closely her hand clips the back of her head in the scuffle

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If someone cba to highlight where Ellie and Hannah are on the clip that'd be great cause it's difficult to explain at the distant camera angle (I wish they'd stop using these in these instances). Ellie is at the back (furthest up the stairs of the group, and the closest to the camera - if that makes sense) and Hannah is below her to the right, with her back turned wearing pink and with a green thing on her head (sorry idk what it's called)

Pause the video at 00:20, then set the speed to 0.25 and watch closely, the hit happens at 00:22 and Hannah turns around (presumably in acknowledgement)

[sampvt]

absolute twaddle, she hit nobody, but if her hand glanced her, it was not ellies fault as she was being forced back up the stairs by the twisted sisters showing loads of aggression. Grasping at straws there mate.

[Jack_]

absolute twaddle, she hit nobody, but if her hand glanced her, it was not ellies fault as she was being forced back up the stairs by the twisted sisters showing loads of aggression. Grasping at straws there mate.

Try reading the post again 'mate' (I'm getting so tired of having to say this on here), the first six words of the OP were 'but I think it was accidental'. Nowhere have I implied it was Ellie's (or in fact anyone's) fault. I suggest you retract your lies.

[Epic.]

Even if it was accidental, I still ultimately blame Ellie for not hearing out Hannah's claim and instead just denying denying denying and her not at least getting a talking to for this hit, albeit accidental, slightly aggravates me

[Rob!]

It was probably accidental but who cares really, it was one of the best moments in BB history

[Headie]

https://media.tenor.com/images/fc37de65c7d0938176ec8a1225defd47/tenor.gif

[TomC]

it's hannah who was wearing the green thing on her head :) i guess that's why hannah was the one saying 'she swung at my face'? idk.

[Brother Leon]

Deborah running up the stairs is still iconic.

[Jack_]

it's hannah who was wearing the green thing on her head :) i guess that's why hannah was the one saying 'she swung at my face'? idk.

Oh I thought it was Deborah who was accusing her of that? I stand corrected then :laugh:

But same thing applies, I'll edit the post

[Headie]

(and yeah it's Hannah who gets hit not Deborah)

[sampvt]

Try reading the post again 'mate' (I'm getting so tired of having to say this on here), the first six words of the OP were 'but I think it was accidental'. Nowhere have I implied it was Ellie's (or in fact anyone's) fault. I suggest you retract your lies.

copied from you

Pause the video at 00:20, then set the speed to 0.25 and watch closely, the hit happens at 00:22 and Deborah turns around (presumably in acknowledgement)

Hit infers a strike, the accidental contact would be more understandable. Dont blame me for your bad grammar. ''MATE''

Also misrepresentations are not lies anyways. Lies are deliberately misleading facts. I dont tell lies. I get things wrong sometimes but never call me a liar.

[Ross.]

The footage doesn't lie!

[Jack_]

copied from you

Pause the video at 00:20, then set the speed to 0.25 and watch closely, the hit happens at 00:22 and Deborah turns around (presumably in acknowledgement)

Hit infers a strike, the accidental contact would be more understandable. Dont blame me for your bad grammar. ''MATE''

Also misrepresentations are not lies anyways. Lies are deliberately misleading facts. I dont tell lies. I get things wrong sometimes but never call me a liar.

No it doesn't, you can hit someone accidentally.

hit
hɪt/
verb
1.
bring one's hand or a tool or weapon into contact with (someone or something) quickly and forcefully.

Nowhere does it mention the word 'deliberately'. Don't blame me for your misunderstanding of dictionary definitions, MATE. It also seems a bit absurd to criticise me for having 'bad grammar' when you've forgotten an apostrophe in 'don't' twice in your post.

You seemed happy to call me whatever you wanted in your first abrasive reply to this thread, so I'll call you whatever I like.

[Merry Mockmas]

I've got to be honest I still didn't see Ellie hit Hannah, it looked more like her arm brushed against Hannah, but I don't know if that was even intentional on Ellie's part.

But I'm gonna watch 1:14 again where Deborah runs up the stairs.:joker:

Edit... I slowed it down like you said Jack, Hannah did dodge a swing from someone upstairs, I'm presuming it was Ellie then.

[Amy Jade]

Eject the evil!

Deborah and Hannah are the ones called aggressive yet Ellie is the one hitting people. Ellie is pure scum.

[Jessica.]

I just made this, you can see the impact.

https://puu.sh/wuNxj/31ac1cbf4e.gif

her arm hits her, she moves her arm back and then puts it out again in a defensive manner on the railings.

[Nicky91]

Eject the evil!

Deborah and Hannah are the ones called aggressive yet Ellie is the one hitting people. Ellie is pure scum.

Ellie was provoking it, and really acting as a immature brat, Charlotte had to drag her upstairs, like a mother who drags her child when he/she's naughty


really embarrassing this looked for Ellie :joker:

[Jack_]

I just made this, you can see the impact.

https://puu.sh/wuNxj/31ac1cbf4e.gif

her arm hits her, she moves her arm back and then puts it out again in a defensive manner on the railings.

Thanks Jess :love:

[chuff me dizzy]

DEBORAH hit Hannah, if you look closely the arm that caught her was in a back top, Ellie was wearing pink

[Jack_]

DEBORAH hit Hannah, if you look closely the arm that caught her was in a back top, Ellie was wearing pink

Deborah's hand moves in front of Hannah I can see that, but Ellie's hits Hannah's head from the back (see the gif Jess posted)

[Jessica.]

DEBORAH hit Hannah, if you look closely the arm that caught her was in a back top, Ellie was wearing pink

So the video and gif are wrong? You can clearly see Ellie's hand making contact with the side of her head. :joker:

[pontyboi]

Even if it was accidental, I still ultimately blame Ellie for not hearing out Hannah's claim and instead just denying denying denying and her not at least getting a talking to for this hit, albeit accidental, slightly aggravates me

But Hannah kept screeching "she hit me in the face" which was a complete lie I can see why Ellie got so wound up. Hannah does herself no favours she continuously makes mountains out the of mole hills.

[Amy Jade]

Hiting someone in the back of the head :nono:

Not only is Ellie scum but she is a coward.

[Jessica.]

But Hannah kept screeching "she hit me in the face" which was a complete lie I can see why Ellie got so wound up. Hannah does herself no favours she continuously makes mountains out the of mole hills.

She did hit/brush her face though, it wasn't a lie, the misunderstanding is about the motive, whether it was on purpose or not, but it definitely happened.

[sampvt]

No it doesn't, you can hit someone accidentally.

hit
hɪt/
verb
1.
bring one's hand or a tool or weapon into contact with (someone or something) quickly and forcefully.

Nowhere does it mention the word 'deliberately'. Don't blame me for your misunderstanding of dictionary definitions, MATE. It also seems a bit absurd to criticise me for having 'bad grammar' when you've forgotten an apostrophe in 'don't' twice in your post.

You seemed happy to call me whatever you wanted in your first abrasive reply to this thread, so I'll call you whatever I like.

Sorry about not using the apostrophe but im typing with one hand, my left, as my right is strapped to my chest after all my lymph nodes were removed recently and to get the comma I need 2 hands. Thats why I type without caps occasionally. by the way you even got the names wrong so how the hell can we get the whole picture from you. Please proof read before you post then we dont need to argue do we. simples.

[Amy Jade]

But Hannah kept screeching "she hit me in the face" which was a complete lie I can see why Ellie got so wound up. Hannah does herself no favours she continuously makes mountains out the of mole hills.

She very well may have struck Hannah in the face. You can see clear evidence in the gif especially that Ellie DID strike Hannah, as the fight was happening we clearly missed some of it.

[sampvt]

Oh I thought it was Deborah who was accusing her of that? I stand corrected then :laugh:

But same thing applies, I'll edit the post

Edit the HIT thing while you are there and add 'accidently'.

[Nicky91]

She very well may have struck Hannah in the face. You can see clear evidence in the gif especially that Ellie DID strike Hannah, as the fight was happening we clearly missed some of it.

the moment she might've struck her in the face was the exact moment when Charlotte was jumping in between of them and dragging Ellie upstairs, and it was literally dragging and pushing cause Ellie was struggling to stay downstairs to keep provoking


i feel so sorry for her family who had to watch this from her :(

[JTM45]

Hiting someone in the back of the head :nono:

Not only is Ellie scum but she is a coward.

I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone likes Ellie. She's just acted like a complete twat for the whole time she's been in there.

She's an absolute gob****e and she hasn't got two braincells to rub together!

Her gameplan is as transparent as a pane of glass and it's not even original to her. She's just pretty much copied Chloe but she doesn't have Chloe's charm, one-liners or wit.

Can't wait 'til she goes. Horrible girl! :yuk:

[pontyboi]

She did hit/brush her face though, it wasn't a lie, the misunderstanding is about the motive, whether it was on purpose or not, but it definitely happened.

She barely grazed the back of her head whilst moving her arms to the bannisters. She did not intentionally swing at her face like Hannah is stating. I just can't take anything Hannah says seriously after she said she had anxiety over a plastic mouse lol. Don't get me wrong I couldn't stand Lotan and im no longer an Ellie fan but let's be real Hannah is someone who cries wolf in order to eliminate others from the competition.

[Jessica.]

Edit the HIT thing while you are there and add 'accidently'.

How can you know for sure that it was an accident?

[reece(:]

I just made this, you can see the impact.

https://puu.sh/wuNxj/31ac1cbf4e.gif

her arm hits her, she moves her arm back and then puts it out again in a defensive manner on the railings.

Wow the receipts are there, no one can claim otherwise now!

[sampvt]

DEBORAH hit Hannah, if you look closely the arm that caught her was in a back top, Ellie was wearing pink

Good call chuff, you are bang on there. Please now close this thread, its so full of inconsistencies causing trouble.

[Amy Jade]

Edit the HIT thing while you are there and add 'accidently'.

Well no because it is an opinion as to the intention being accidental or purposefully. I belive it was on purpose.

However is is a fact Ellie hit Hannah.

[Jessica.]

She barely grazed the back of her head whilst moving her arms to the bannisters. She did now intentionally swing at her face like Hannah is stating. I just can't take anything Hannah says seriously after she said she had anxiety over a plastic mouse lol. Don't get me wrong I couldn't stand Lotan and im no longer an Ellie fan but let's be real Hannah is someone who cries wolf in order to eliminate others from the competition.

She wasn't looking when she was hit though, how could she know if it was on purpose or not? I am not saying Ellie did it on purpose, I think Ellie was being aggressive and didn't care if she hit someone or not, but at the same time, I don't think she was trying to punch her square in the face either.

[Amy Jade]

Wow the receipts are there, no one can claim otherwise now!

I mean you're right but some people will always shift blame.

[Jack_]

Sorry about not using the apostrophe but im typing with one hand, my left, as my right is strapped to my chest after all my lymph nodes were removed recently and to get the comma I need 2 hands. Thats why I type without caps occasionally. by the way you even got the names wrong so how the hell can we get the whole picture from you. Please proof read before you post then we dont need to argue do we. simples.

That's fine, my point was simply not to throw stones in glass houses. We don't need to argue no (and I'd rather not), but it is you who entered this thread and responded in a very abrasive and patronising manner, so I responded in kind. If you'd have used a more polite tone we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I only got the names mixed up because I was under the (presumably wrong) impression after last night's show that it had been Deborah claiming she'd been hit. Nothing else I claimed is wrong, but your response was.

Edit the HIT thing while you are there and add 'accidently'.

No, the first six words of the OP are enough for most people to discern that I think it was an accident.

[Jack_]

Good call chuff, you are bang on there. Please now close this thread, its so full of inconsistencies causing trouble.

The only one causing trouble is you, please give it a rest.

[pontyboi]

Good call chuff, you are bang on there. Please now close this thread, its so full of inconsistencies causing trouble.

Why don't you just leave the thread? You cannot demand it be closed because you can't handle a simple debate for gods sakes.

[pontyboi]

She wasn't looking when she was hit though, how could she know if it was on purpose or not? I am not saying Ellie did it on purpose, I think Ellie was being aggressive and didn't care if she hit someone or not, but at the same time, I don't think she was trying to punch her square in the face either.

Exactly she wasn't even facing her so in the same sense how can Hannah even say she saw her swing at her face?

[chuff me dizzy]

Good call chuff, you are bang on there. Please now close this thread, its so full of inconsistencies causing trouble.

I slow moed it on tv ,Deborah caught Hannah not Ellie

[sampvt]

Why don't you just leave the thread? You cannot demand it be closed because you can't handle a simple debate for gods sakes.

He started it, he patronises me all the time. Im only responding. His post was a direct and incorrect slate of one of my favs so i defended her, or are we not allowed to do that anymore.

[Epic.]

But Hannah kept screeching "she hit me in the face" which was a complete lie I can see why Ellie got so wound up. Hannah does herself no favours she continuously makes mountains out the of mole hills.

B-but she did hit her in the face. Uhhhhh...

[Amy Jade]

Exactly she wasn't even facing her so in the same sense how can Hannah even say she saw her swing at her face?

Because she felt the fist/hand her her presumably?

[Jack_]

Exactly she wasn't even facing her so in the same sense how can Hannah even say she saw her swing at her face?

I guess she presumed she'd done it deliberately. If you get clipped round the back of the head and you didn't see that it was done accidentally in the middle of a scuffle, in that heightened situation you'd probably jump to conclusions and assume it was deliberate. I think that's where the misunderstanding started and it escalated from there

[Amy Jade]

I slow moed it on tv ,Deborah caught Hannah not Ellie

https://puu.sh/wuNxj/31ac1cbf4e.gif

Ellie hit Hannah. You saw what you wanted to see last night but there is solid evidence right in front of you. You are literally arguing a cold hard fact is false right now.

[Jessica.]

I'm sorry it's so blurry, it was just a youtube video that I giffed it from. :joker:

[pontyboi]

He started it, he patronises me all the time. Im only responding. His post was a direct and incorrect slate of one of my favs so i defended her, or are we not allowed to do that anymore.

"he started it" seriously? That's the most childish response ive ever heard. It's not a coincidence you seem to have a lot of arguments with people on here. Finally ofcourse were allowed to defend our favs on here that's why it's called a forum to discuss so then why contradict this with asking mods to close the thread?

It's petty.

[Jack_]

He started it, he patronises me all the time. Im only responding. His post was a direct and incorrect slate of one of my favs so i defended her, or are we not allowed to do that anymore.

I've no idea why I'm entertaining this but I did not start anything :unsure: I posted the thread, you responded to it in a very patronising and abrasive manner, and so I responded to you in kind. You started it - there's no mention of you in the OP is there?

[sampvt]

no comment, not worth the hassle.

[Amy Jade]

no comment, not worth the hassle.

You know you are wrong more like.

[Jack_]

no comment, not worth the hassle.

Thanks for letting me know I'm right.

[Slevin]

"he started it" seriously? That's the most childish response ive ever heard. It's not a coincidence you seem to have a lot of arguments with people on here. Finally ofcourse were allowed to defend our favs on here that's why it's called a forum to discuss so then why contradict this with asking mods to close the thread?

It's petty.
some of us dont take too kindly to logic around here:nono:

[sampvt]

fook me, im off, dont need another shower. :dog:

[reece(:]

The factual evidence hurts it seems :shrug:

[Jessica.]

I think this is a bit clearer.

https://puu.sh/wuQ7k/41a273ea8e.gif

[armand.kay]

I think this is a bit clearer.

https://puu.sh/wuQ7k/41a273ea8e.gif

oh so its concluded she did swing, and would you look at that right near her eye. https://media.tenor.com/images/d877a3739ec11fef6ee4ad96d777e831/tenor.gif

[armand.kay]

And it looks like charlotte pushed her away after she hit hanna. Makes me wonder.

[Jessica.]

And it looks like charlotte pushed her away after she hit hanna. Makes me wonder.

Yeah, I was thinking that, but I don't really want to make that much of an assumption since she wasn't fully in view like Ellies hit.

[Parmy]

I just made this, you can see the impact.

https://puu.sh/wuNxj/31ac1cbf4e.gif

her arm hits her, she moves her arm back and then puts it out again in a defensive manner on the railings.

Hannah was lucky charlotte was pushing ellie back or that butchers arm coulda knocked her out.

[Rustic bauble]

IT looks to me like Ellie moved her right foot to the lower step and lost her balance...as she slung her right arm out to grab onto something she caught Hannah then proceeded to grab the railings.
I don't think it was deliberate at all...

[Rustic bauble]

And it looks like charlotte pushed her away after she hit hanna. Makes me wonder.


As I have just said I think Ellie lost her balance..swung her right arm out to grab the railings and caught Hannah before grabbing the rail. Ellie's left arm is around Charlottes neck and she pulled her with her as she lost her balance. Charlotte did not push her away.

[Jessica.]

IT looks to me like Ellie moved her right foot to the lower step and lost her balance...as she slung her right arm out to grab onto something she caught Hannah then proceeded to grab the railings.
I don't think it was deliberate at all...

I don't think anyone said Ellie tried to punch her directly in the face, but she was being confrontational and reckless, so someone getting hit was a result of that. She was also begging for a physical confrontation by shouting "hit me", which means she wouldn't have been opposed to having an actual fight. :worry: I think they both ended up looking bad but Ellie definitely did make contact with a face which people are denying.

[Northern Monkey]

So who hits Hannah in the eye?I'm sure I remember her saying she was hit in the eye?That seems like it would be a different incident.

[Mullens123]

Even if it was accidental, I still ultimately blame Ellie for not hearing out Hannah's claim and instead just denying denying denying and her not at least getting a talking to for this hit, albeit accidental, slightly aggravates me

:clap1::clap1::clap1::clap1: preach

[armand.kay]

So who hits Hannah in the eye?I'm sure I remember her saying she was hit in the eye?That seems like it would be a different incident.

https://puu.sh/wuNxj/31ac1cbf4e.gif

[Kazanne]

I am sure if Ellie had hit anyone BB would have removed her,you can't tell for certain from that gif.

[Jack_]

I am sure if Ellie had hit anyone BB would have removed her,you can't tell for certain from that gif.

Not if it wasn't deliberate, it looks accidental to me so the producers may have interpreted it that way

tbh though with the incompetence of this production team it wouldn't even surprise me if they didn't bother to review the tape, just warn the people who were most obviously aggressive (Deborah and Lotan)

[Parmy]

Looking at it again it looks like ellie is trying to yank hannah out the way to get at debs....foolish girl.

[Parmy]

And everone is focused on ellie the aggressor..no one seems bothered or wary of debs.

[Rustic bauble]

I don't think anyone said Ellie tried to punch her directly in the face, but she was being confrontational and reckless, so someone getting hit was a result of that. She was also begging for a physical confrontation by shouting "hit me", which means she wouldn't have been opposed to having an actual fight. :worry: I think they both ended up looking bad but Ellie definitely did make contact with a face which people are denying.


I never implied punching in the face either. Ellie and Charlotte were trying to stop the sisters getting up the stairs because the were trying to get to Lotan in a very aggressive way.
It was a bit of a mess but it looks like Ellie lost her balance and yes she did make contact but it looks accidental...not deliberate.
Let's not forget who the aggressors were on those steps...it was the 2 sisters. Ellie and Charlotte were trying to prevent them running up the stairs..:shrug:

[Captain.Remy]

The intent was there at least, and it's enough to consider it as a bad move.
Damn, I like Deborah but I so wish she would have dragged this b!tch out and ripped her hair out.

[Jedman]

If ellie hit hannah she deserves it anyway for acting like such a dramatic aggressive twat.