Do you think Joe is a bully?

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I've never liked the guy and from the beginning i noticed him listen to Tom comment about his vt and then he turned on Raph. Before that he said he was a nice guy.
He also has no problem with anyone nominating him, except for Raph. He seems threatened by Raph, sees him as competition so wants him out. But hs behaviour is getting worse and worse. :think:

[rph]

Yeah i agree , hes also threatened by Andrew too

[azi]

He just can't get along with women and gays. I wouldn't call him a bully.

[TaylorCallum]

I don't know if I would call him a bully, I just think he's very insecure and doesn't like it when people don't bow down to him.

[Rustic bauble]

No Vanessa...just because he doesn't like Raph does not make him a bully. He is entitled to dislike and he is entitled to change his mind. He is a bit of a twit and doesn't like people getting the better of him....but he isn't a bully.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

No he isnt a bully, unlike sneaky shifty Raph who is a classic passive-aggressive bully

Andrew has now exposed Raph and has come fro his crown

:clap1:

[Withano]

I dont think hes a bully, I think they just clash

[Jordan.]

He isn't bullying anyone (yet) but he does have an intimidating and nasty streak to him.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

He isn't bullying anyone (yet) but he does have an intimidating and nasty streak to him.

He's trying to intimidate raph. He also did the same with Andrew and Rebecca. The guy is a nasty piece of work. Evil.

[Vicky.]

No. Just seems like a rather unpleasant person tbh, not a bully

[Patricia4]

People that are Raph fans wont like him.

[Northern Monkey]

I dont think hes a bully, I think they just clash

Yeah this.Some people may come accross as if they're more dominant when they disagree with somebody when they're just expressing themselves

[Ellen]

No not a bully at all.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

After reading the transcript for tonight show i think Joe is deffo bullying Raph. The guy can't even breathe without Joe slagging him off :crazy:

[Kazanne]

No Vanessa...just because he doesn't like Raph does not make him a bully. He is entitled to dislike and he is entitled to change his mind. He is a bit of a twit and doesn't like people getting the better of him....but he isn't a bully.

This is the voice of reason,I have seen NO signs of bullying at all,he has a short fuse and gets grumpy,but bullying.NO

[Vicky.]

Slagging someone off doesn't mean you are bullying them. Same as having an argument doesn't make you a bully :suspect:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Slagging someone off doesn't mean you are bullying them. Same as having an argument doesn't make you a bully :suspect:

But he does it constantly. Surely Raph must be uncomfortable with this? It's too much. Like he's trying to turn the housemates against him.

[Kazanne]

After reading the transcript for tonight show i think Joe is deffo bullying Raph. The guy can't even breathe without Joe slagging him off :crazy:

No way,he just doesn't like him.

[armand.kay]

No, this word is overused.

[Vicky.]

But he does it constantly. Surely Raph must be uncomfortable with this? It's too much. Like he's trying to turn the housemates against him.

That still does not make slagging someone off bullying. Noone likes people talking bad about them. But such is life...

They just clash. Raph does not like Joe either and doesn't make an effort with him. They just don;t like each other :shrug:

[Nancy.]

No Vanessa...just because he doesn't like Raph does not make him a bully. He is entitled to dislike and he is entitled to change his mind. He is a bit of a twit and doesn't like people getting the better of him....but he isn't a bully.

:clap1:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

That still does not make slagging someone off bullying. Noone likes people talking bad about them. But such is life...

They just clash. Raph does not like Joe either and doesn't make an effort with him. They just don;t like each other :shrug:

But Raph doesn't constantly slag Joe off. We will have to see what Joe says about Raph that sets Andrew off. Housemates were on his side.

[Kazanne]

That still does not make slagging someone off bullying. Noone likes people talking bad about them. But such is life...

They just clash. Raph does not like Joe either and doesn't make an effort with him. They just don;t like each other :shrug:

:clap1::clap1:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

That still does not make slagging someone off bullying. Noone likes people talking bad about them. But such is life...

They just clash. Raph does not like Joe either and doesn't make an effort with him. They just don;t like each other :shrug:

Raph has tried to talk to Joe, but he always dismisses him.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Joe sussed out Raph on day 12 and Raph has spent every day since trying to get revenge, he is obsessed

[Cherry Christmas]

No Vanessa...just because he doesn't like Raph does not make him a bully. He is entitled to dislike and he is entitled to change his mind. He is a bit of a twit and doesn't like people getting the better of him....but he isn't a bully.

:clap1:

[armand.kay]

Raph has tried to talk to Joe, but he always dismisses him.

This isn't bullying Vanessa

[Northern Monkey]

Raph has tried to talk to Joe, but he always dismisses him.

Not wanting to speak to someone you don't like isn't bullying

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I think we will have a clearer picture after tonight show. I'm starting to understand Rebecca comments now.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

This isn't bullying Vanessa

I didn't say this was. But in my opinion the way he treats Raph is.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Not wanting to speak to someone you don't like isn't bullying

It's not about that. It's about the way he speaks to Raph.

[Vicky.]

But Raph doesn't constantly slag Joe off. We will have to see what Joe says about Raph that sets Andrew off. Housemates were on his side.

Joe does not 'constantly' slag Raph off either tbh. Raph and the 'outsiders' have been bitching about the others a lot more than the others have been bitching about them. From what we have seen anyway.

Joe has not been exposed as saying stuff about Raph behind his back in the same way as Rap has been about Joe...

Saying bad things about someone you dislike does not mean you are bullying them. God, this whole forum is bullying every hosuemate if that was the case :D

I don;t understand the need to make Raph a victim tbh. He is doing fairly well on his own so does not need a 'poor me' narrative made up by forum members :laugh:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Joe does not 'constantly' slag Raph off either tbh. Raph and the 'outsiders' have been bitching about the others a lot more than the others have been bitching about them. From what we have seen anyway.

Joe has not been exposed as saying stuff about Raph behind his back in the same way as Rap has been about Joe...

Saying bad things about someone you dislike does not mean you are bullying them. God, this whole forum is bullying every hosuemate if that was the case :D

I don;t understand the need to make Raph a victim tbh. He is doing fairly well on his own so does not need a 'poor me' narrative made up by forum members :laugh:
Joe has been bitching about Raph a lot behind his back lately. So he's not innocent as he makes out.

[Macie Lightfoot]

someone not liking Raph doesn't automatically mean that that person is an evil bully and Raph is the poor victim. It's entirely possible for Raph to be annoying and wormy and for Joe to be the human embodiment of Brexit.

[Northern Monkey]

someone not liking Raph doesn't automatically mean that that person is an evil bully and Raph is the poor victim. It's entirely possible for Raph to be annoying and wormy and for Joe to be the human embodiment of Brexit.

?

What has Brexit got to do with anything?:joker:

[Nicky91]

yes he is, a deluded immature bully :fist:


i'm glad Andrew is also standing up to him ;)

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Carry on like this and Joe will be out on his ass. I won't even need to vote :joker:

[Nicky91]

Carry on like this and Joe will be out on his ass. I won't even need to vote :joker:

well maybe you should, just a few times :)

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

well maybe you should, just a few times :)

Andrew is doing a brilliant job, making sure Joe is evicted on friday :xyxwave:

[Nicky91]

Andrew is doing a brilliant job, making sure Joe is evicted on friday :xyxwave:

oh but the votes are also important, just saying i wouldn't want him to stay now, then the deluded prick will only be more full of himself :mad:

[Kazanne]

Andrew is doing a brilliant job, making sure Joe is evicted on friday :xyxwave:

I am sure if Joe goes on Friday,someone else will be bullying Raph :smug:

[Kazanne]

Joe does not 'constantly' slag Raph off either tbh. Raph and the 'outsiders' have been bitching about the others a lot more than the others have been bitching about them. From what we have seen anyway.

Joe has not been exposed as saying stuff about Raph behind his back in the same way as Rap has been about Joe...

Saying bad things about someone you dislike does not mean you are bullying them. God, this whole forum is bullying every hosuemate if that was the case :D

I don;t understand the need to make Raph a victim tbh. He is doing fairly well on his own so does not need a 'poor me' narrative made up by forum members :laugh:

:worship::worship:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Joe reminds me of a work collegue, who likes to put others down. Last time she told me to keep quiet. I told her : i will when the others do as well :idc:

[camertone]

I've never liked the guy and from the beginning i noticed him listen to Tom comment about his vt and then he turned on Raph. Before that he said he was a nice guy.
He also has no problem with anyone nominating him, except for Raph. He seems threatened by Raph, sees him as competition so wants him out. But hs behaviour is getting worse and worse. :think:

verbally, definitely..

[RhysJones]

Wow, anyone who says anything against Raph is a bully. Joe, Tom, simone is apparently plotting a massive strategy to take Raph down. You can't do anything or say anything against Raph without having like 20 comments criticising you. But of course, people won't chose to listen to the things Raph has said to Joe (or behind his back more like)

[Vicky.]

Joe has been bitching about Raph a lot behind his back lately. So he's not innocent as he makes out.

Joe doesn't make out he is innocent :laugh:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Joe doesn't make out he is innocent :laugh:

He told Chanelle he never said anything bad about anyone.

[Northern Monkey]

Joe doesn't make out he is innocent :laugh:

No,He "don't give a fack" :laugh:

[Parmy]

No he is nowhere near being a bully, dont be so bloody ridiculous.

[ChristmasNeeve]

ok honestly, I wouldn't say he's a bully but he is rude and he does pick on Raph sometimes because he sees him as weak i think

[Vicky.]

No,He "don't give a fack" :laugh:

Yes. Doesn't give a ****, but winds himself up to the point where he is pretty much screaming at the top of his lungs that he doesn't give a ****. So clearly, he does give a ****, he infact gives many ****s :D

[Parmy]

After reading the transcript for tonight show i think Joe is deffo bullying Raph. The guy can't even breathe without Joe slagging him off :crazy:

See, i see this completely the opposite way and see it as raph constantly slagging joe off.:shrug:

[Rustic bauble]

After reading the transcript for tonight show i think Joe is deffo bullying Raph. The guy can't even breathe without Joe slagging him off :crazy:


It seems Joe clapped Deborah for admitting she would take the money now if she had the chance because she's had the 'experience but has a family to think of. For some reason when Joe was clapping Raph felt the need to tell Joe she isn't in it for the money. Why he felt the need to tell Joe that I don't know...we will have to watch tonight.
However...if Deborah says she would take the money now if she got the chance...then she is in it for the money..THEY ALL ARE FFS...EVEN RAPH!!...so why did he have to pipe in...?

[Rustic bauble]

See, i see this completely the opposite way and see it as raph constantly slagging joe off.:shrug:


He is...he is trying to wind him up and get a reaction...and Joe will react.

[ChristmasNeeve]

It seems Joe clapped Deborah for admitting she would take the money now if she had the chance because she's had the 'experience but has a family to think of. For some reason when Joe was clapping Raph felt the need to tell Joe she isn't in it for the money. Why he felt the need to tell Joe that I don't know...we will have to watch tonight.
However...if Deborah says she would take the money now if she got the chance...then she is in it for the money..THEY ALL ARE FFS...EVEN RAPH!!...so why did he have to pipe in...?

Why shouldn't he say what he wants to say? Why is Joe allowed to clap but raph isn't allowed to give his opinion?

[Parmy]

He is...he is trying to wind him up and get a reaction...and Joe will react.

I hope it turns a bit nasty.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Why shouldn't he say what he wants to say? Why is Joe allowed to clap but raph isn't allowed to give his opinion?

This! Joe told him to shut up only because it was Raph.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

ok honestly, I wouldn't say he's a bully but he is rude and he does pick on Raph sometimes because he sees him as weak i think

Exactly. He knows that Raph doesn't like confrontations and when he's upset he just walks away.

[Binbin]

it's all about persona really, he tried being the Geezer, and that lasted about 6 minutes. These days he doesn't bother with any branding (?) and he's just the narrow-minded bald man who is, as all bigots are, running away from his gay or effeminate thoughts. Joe needs to start using the revitalising topical tonic for bald buggers 'hair and balance'.

[Merry Mockmas]

It's hard to say without Live Feed access, but from what I've seen on the highlights I'd say no.

The closest thing to bullying I've seen in this series was Lotan towards Isabelle.

[Vicky.]

it's all about persona really, he tried being the Geezer, and that lasted about 6 minutes. These days he doesn't bother with any branding (?) and he's just the narrow-minded bald man who is, as all bigots are, running away from his gay or effeminate thoughts. Joe needs to start using the revitalising topical tonic for bald buggers 'hair and balance'.

But he is happy to wear eyeliner and admit to wearing his girlfriends clothes

Hmm. Weird person :laugh:

[Merry Mockmas]

Why shouldn't he say what he wants to say? Why is Joe allowed to clap but raph isn't allowed to give his opinion?

It's the problem with Raph and Joe at the moment, they're both criticising each other for stuff that they wouldn't even blink an eyelid at if someone else did or said what they're making out that they're getting offended at.

They just don't like each other and it's reached boiling point, they're both being silly imo, especially as it was Tom who helped cause the divide in week 1 by isolating Raph.

[ThatsMyUserName]

No. Just seems like a rather unpleasant person tbh, not a bully

My thoughts exactly. He'll have his say and as soon as the person starts to speak he cuts them off and says he's not interested. Guess what Joe, I'm not interested in what you have to say !!

[chuff me dizzy]

Is he chuffers like a bully,just because Snake Boy calls him it doesn't make it a fact

[Binbin]

But he is happy to wear eyeliner and admit to wearing his girlfriends clothes

Hmm. Weird person :laugh:

Let's face it, you don't have to a practicing homosexual to notice that Asian lady-boys are better looking than Susan Boyle.

[chuff me dizzy]

It seems Joe clapped Deborah for admitting she would take the money now if she had the chance because she's had the 'experience but has a family to think of. For some reason when Joe was clapping Raph felt the need to tell Joe she isn't in it for the money. Why he felt the need to tell Joe that I don't know...we will have to watch tonight.
However...if Deborah says she would take the money now if she got the chance...then she is in it for the money..THEY ALL ARE FFS...EVEN RAPH!!...so why did he have to pipe in...?

:clap1: Once again Snakey putting his nose in someone else's business, God knows Deborah has got a big enough mouth and ego to answer for herself, Raph just using it as a chance to stab Joe in the back as per usual

[Merry Mockmas]

Is he chuffers like a bully,just because Snake Boy calls him it doesn't make it a fact

Raph hasn't called Joe a bully, Rebecca did.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Raph hasn't called Joe a bully, Rebecca did.

This! But no point trying to reason with the people who don't like him. I don't even try.

[sampvt]

Joe and raph talk equal amounts of **** about eachother but sadly Joe is the only bully, I didnt know Raph had a free pass on **** talk.

[sampvt]

This! But no point trying to reason with the people who don't like him. I don't even try.

Rebecca said Raph called joe a bully and she likes raph, so why lie, but its maybe been edited out to protect snake boy.

[Ellen]

Raph hasn't called Joe a bully, Rebecca did.

Didnt Rebecca say Raph had complained to BB about Joe bullying him?

[Rustic bauble]

Why shouldn't he say what he wants to say? Why is Joe allowed to clap but raph isn't allowed to give his opinion?

It was a bizarre comment to make considering Deborah had just made a statement....I guess Joe was clapping her out of respect..nobody questioned her on being in it for the money so why did Raph feel the need to chip in with the comment?If you don't get on with someone and they are not responding to you then why involve yourself..unless you are trying to get a reaction.
Anyway...we will see how it pans out tonight..sometimes how it's described isn't a true reflection...

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

But yes, Rebecca was 100%correct.

[chuff me dizzy]

Raph hasn't called Joe a bully, Rebecca did.

According to Rebecca ,Snaky went often to the diary room to moan about Joe bullying him

[Merry Mockmas]

Didnt Rebecca say Raph had complained to BB about Joe bullying him?

I'm not going off Rebecca's opinions though who hates Joe, and reacted so OTT about Joe's smile comment that you'd have thought that he'd called her a fat ugly ****er.

[chuff me dizzy]

Didnt Rebecca say Raph had complained to BB about Joe bullying him?

Yes she did

[Ellen]

I'm not going off Rebecca's opinions though who hates Joe, and reacted so OTT about Joe's smile comment that you'd have thought that he'd called her a fat ugly ****er.

:joker:

[Merry Mockmas]

According to Rebecca ,Snaky went often to the diary room to moan about Joe bullying him

You're putting too much stock in Rebecca's comments.

She was well known for embellishing events, and this is more in defence of Joe than Raph, she wants Joe out to save Kieran's friend Tom, by claiming that Joe is bullying the most popular Housemate it sees Tom as safe.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

The only snake in there is Joe, spreading his poison around. Ssssssnake! 🐍

[Vicky.]

Let's face it, you don't have to a practicing homosexual to notice that Asian lady-boys are better looking than Susan Boyle.
Better looking than a lot of females actually, not just the less aesthetically pleasing women like Boyle
I went to see the ladyboys of Bangkok a few years back. never before have I felt so ugly. They are more beautiful than most women I know actually..and most women would kill for their figures too D:

[Rustic bauble]

The only snake in there is Joe, spreading his poison around. Ssssssnake! 🐍


Absolutely no different to what Raph has done....

[SteveG2688]

I wouldn't go as far to say he is a bully i personally think he is an inconsiderate person who isnt interested in listening to what anyone sais or what anyone thinks. I think he lays into people way to much about certain things they do yet doesn't seem to see he is equally just as bad. I dont know why he has this huge issue with raph. He seems to have had an issue with the lad since he walked through the door on launch night.