Andrew...I don't like him

[Amy Jade]

He just seems so desperate to be friends with Raph and I thought he came across badly tonight.

[Vicky.]

He did come across badly IMO too. And he seems to be attaching himself to Raph to leech off his popularity I think. Not a bad gameplan if you don't make it so obvious though.

[armand.kay]

I agree he seems like such a beg. Joe started nothing with him and the only reason why he started on him was to make himself relevant and impress his new friends.

[storybrooke]

I am on the fence with him at the moment. I agree with you saying he goaded Joe to get a reaction, but Joe wasn't an angel either with his shouting

[Littlegreen]

I appreciated Andrew having the balls to speak up. But even Raph was squirming at the end.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

He has the balls to stand up to that bully Joe. I ****ing love him :worship::worship::worship:

[Amy Jade]

I agree he seems like such a beg. Joe started nothing with him and the only reason why he started on him was to make himself relevant and impress his new friends.

That's exactly how I saw it. Joe was minding his own business and Andrew just kept going and going. I felt a bit sorry for Joe :umm2:

[Cherry Christmas]

Awful, no Joe fan but the way he kept badgering him and then that rant at the end like he was doing something for the greater good was just ridiculous and even more so the way they were all lapping it up

[Alf]

He's just taken Joe and himself out of the running to win.

[LukeB]

He's just taken Joe and himself out of the running to win.

Andrew can't win...

[Amy Jade]

He has the balls to stand up to that bully Joe. I ****ing love him :worship::worship::worship:

Joe hadn't really done anything though for Andrew to attack him like that, it all felt really forced to me like he had been thinking what to say all day and waiting to have a go

[Cherry Christmas]

I literally wanted Joe to lamp him, he is going on Friday so may as well be removed in a blaze of glory :laugh:

[Alf]

Andrew can't win...He could have won £15.000. Not anymore.

[Littlegreen]

Joe hadn't really done anything though for Andrew to attack him like that, it all felt really forced to me like he had been thinking what to say all day and waiting to have a go

He wanted to be the hero, but it fell flat.

[Kazanne]

He has the balls to stand up to that bully Joe. I ****ing love him :worship::worship::worship:

Joe has NEVER bullied Raph,shame Raph didn't stand up Joe himself:fist:

[Greg!]

Not keen either. I'm not exactly Joe's biggest fan but he was goaded by Andrew

[armand.kay]

That's exactly how I saw it. Joe was minding his own business and Andrew just kept going and going. I felt a bit sorry for Joe :umm2:

So did I especially because everyone was taking Andrews side. Joe didn't really do anything but give Deborah a hug lol.

[Vicky.]

He wanted to be the hero, but it fell flat.

Yup. He wanted to be a hero but was so desperate to be a hero that he rushed it. Had he not been so desperate, he could have played the hero without looking so pathetic as I am sure there would have been a situation at some stage where Raph could use the white knight Andrew sees himself to be :hehe:

[Jack_]

Oh he was definitely in the wrong and was goading him, but it was hilarious and a refreshing break from the Ellie crap

A good housemate in the making

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Oh he was definitely in the wrong and was goading him, but it was hilarious and a refreshing break from the Ellie crap

A good housemate in the making

Someone had to put Joe in his place.

[smudgie]

Hook line and sinker.
He took the bait.
Andrew was out fishing and Joe bit.
Not sure how I feel about Andrew yet, I blow hot and cold with him.

[Withano]

I like him and thought he came off better than the rest of the house tonight! If this was the only ep I saw, I think he'd be my favourite. He just said everything I've wanted to say to Joe.

[armand.kay]

He has the balls to stand up to that bully Joe. I ****ing love him :worship::worship::worship:

Joe isn't a bully. Joe didn't do anything Raph started it but backed down and then Andrew just went with it and wouldn't let it go. He was so desperate to have a go at joe you would just tell.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Hook line and sinker.
He took the bait.
Andrew was out fishing and Joe bit.
Not sure how I feel about Andrew yet, I blow hot and cold with him.

If he gets Joe evicted he gets a hug from me :joker:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Joe isn't a bully. Joe didn't do anything Raph started it but backed down and then Andrew just went with it and wouldn't let it go. He was so desperate to have a go at joe you would just tell.

Raph did nothing wrong. He just has to breathe And Joe has a go. Pathetic man!

[Rustic bauble]

Raph did nothing wrong. He just has to breathe And Joe has a go. Pathetic man!


Raph stuck his oar in by trying to make out Deborah wasn't in it for the money...but her answer implied she was..if it was JUST for the experience she wouldn't have said she would take the money. I don't blame her.
Raph seems to think it's so wrong to be in it for the money...why? It's a gameshow. Raph seems to think that everybody should be there for the 'Experience'...just because he is ( but he wants to win desperately) maybe that's part of his experience..who knows. However they are all there to win..and win the money.
Raph deserved the reaction he got...his comment was antagonistic.

[Merry Mockmas]

Raph did nothing wrong. He just has to breathe And Joe has a go. Pathetic man!

Tbf Raph did have a go at Joe for no reason.:laugh:

Andrew reminds me of Arthur the way he goaded at Joe, there's potential there with him if he can keep it going.

Joe also aswell shouldn't be trying to get in Andrew's face, that's twice now that his done that to Housemates in arguments.

[Littlegreen]

Raph stuck his oar in by trying to make out Deborah wasn't in it for the money...but her answer implied she was..if it was JUST for the experience she wouldn't have said she would take the money. I don't blame her.
Raph seems to think it's so wrong to be in it for the money...why? It's a gameshow. Raph seems to think that everybody should be there for the 'Experience'...just because he is ( but he wants to win desperately) maybe that's part of his experience..who knows. However they are all there to win..and win the money.
Raph deserved the reaction he got...his comment was antagonistic.

Maybe, but Joe over-egged the pudding.

[armand.kay]

Raph did nothing wrong. He just has to breathe And Joe has a go. Pathetic man!

If thats what you saw then you must of been watching a different show. Im a Raph fan but you have to admit when your faves are in the wrong and that argument would not of started if Raph hadn't said "but that doesn't mean she's in it for the money". Why did he say that if he wasn't trying to get at Joe.

[sampvt]

He's just taken Joe and himself out of the running to win.

He has just saved joe this week Everyone that hates him will now vote tom out to save joe so he can sort the 2 little snakes.

[Parmy]

Andrew reminded me of "nominee, nominee" ranting away being as brutally honest as joe. Asking joe why he has to be so abrupt whilst advocating replying to people in an abrupt way to raph last night.

Perched for the spit.

[Merry Mockmas]

He has just saved joe this week Everyone that hates him will now vote tom out to save joe so he can sort the 2 little snakes.

How many people do you think will dislike Andrew badly enough to save Joe?

The show has got what it wants and that's for Kieran and both of Ellie's best friends to stay.

[FaLaLaLand]

His mouth is far too crowded for me to say anything positive about him.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Tbf Raph did have a go at Joe for no reason.:laugh:

Andrew reminds me of Arthur the way he goaded at Joe, there's potential there with him if he can keep it going.

Joe also aswell shouldn't be trying to get in Andrew's face, that's twice now that his done that to Housemates in arguments.

He was just saying his opinion. is he not allowed?

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

If thats what you saw then you must of been watching a different show. Im a Raph fan but you have to admit when your faves are in the wrong and that argument would not of started if Raph hadn't said "but that doesn't mean she's in it for the money". Why did he say that if he wasn't trying to get at Joe.
He was just saying his opinion.

[Amy Jade]

Oh come on Raph clearly said that in a patronising way to bait Joe.

He's my 3rd fave and I can see it why are some struggling?

[Time]

Annoying af

[RhysJones]

He was just saying his opinion.

Look, Deborah said she would take the money for her child and family, Joe then got up and hugged her for being truthful and honest and he probably appreciated that in her. Then Raph made a goading comment about her not being in there for the money which was being shady towards him. He didn't need to butt in there, most saw that

[Northern Monkey]

Oh come on Raph clearly said that in a patronising way to bait Joe.

He's my 3rd fave and I can see it why are some struggling?

Totally agree and he knows he's got alot of backup now so he'll be defended

[armand.kay]

He was just saying his opinion.

It didn't need to be said, the comment was clearly directed at joe and is what started all the drama. This is coming from a Raph fan, like I said before it isn't necessary to defend him over everything he does.

[Jase.]

He's irritating as ****

[Jedman]

I like him, Joe needs taking down a peg or two.

Joe can't take any criticism, and hes obviously threatened by people more intelligent than him and is probably a tad homophobic as well.

[mr rochester]

Someone had to put Joe in his place.

This...




Wouldn't have him as a friend but at least he isn't scared of Lizard...

[azi]

Everyone walks on eggshells around Joe. I'm glad someone told him off. His age does not excuse his behavior.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

It didn't need to be said, the comment was clearly directed at joe and is what started all the drama. This is coming from a Raph fan, like I said before it isn't necessary to defend him over everything he does.

But if someone else had said that Joe wouldn't have a problem with it. It was only because Raph said it.

[Kazanne]

But if someone else had said that Joe wouldn't have a problem with it. It was only because Raph said it.

Hence why Raph said it,he is not as innocent as you profess him to be Vanessa.

[rionablue]

He just seems so desperate to be friends with Raph and I thought he came across badly tonight.

I dont like him either and I thought he would be the nicest of the second chance housemates. Little sh it stirrer

[fitz2k2]

First of all joe is not a bully and nor does intimated people.He stays by himself to smoke and relax.Andrew has been watching the show and knows joe and raph have been going at it. Then the worst part the surrounding cast licking his ass after that joe n Andrew argument.There are only 3 game players left in the show Andrew,sam,raph and chanelle little bit.

[sampvt]

He was just saying his opinion.

Vanessa ''Darling Girl'' do you honestly think he would say or act like that on the outside world with no security or a mass of people there to step in. If you do think he is a champion for free speech or whatever twisted views he has, then I think you need to think about it a little more.

If you believe he wouldnt do it on the outside, then the answer is he was showboating for the cameras and notoriety. Which puts him firmly in the fake as fook category. You decide.

[Sophia.]

He's trying to get on Raphs good side :joker:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

He's trying to get on Raphs good side :joker:

Trying to be his Knight in shining harmor :evilgrin:

[Jedman]

To be fair I think Andrew was just sticking up for Raph, that's all it was.

I think he took it too far, bu I think it's too early to judge him.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

andrew thought he was a hero standing up to joe but sadly for him he just shone the mirror back on his cowardly, needy personality. He abused Joe, many years his senior, in a pathetic attempt to make raph like him

how someone can be so condescending and horrible to a fellow man for self gain is truly vile.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

To be fair I think Andrew was just sticking up for Raph, that's all it was.

I think he took it too far, bu I think it's too early to judge him.

He definitely wants to impress Raph. But if he watched the show he should know Raph does not ike conflict.

[Jedman]

He definitely wants to impress Raph. But if he watched the show he should know Raph does not ike conflict.

True we havent seen raph once have an argument.

He looked pretty uncomfortable when it was going on.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

True we havent seen raph once have an argument.

He looked pretty uncomfortable when it was going on.

If Andrew wants to woo Raph he will have to think about something else :laugh:

[armand.kay]

But if someone else had said that Joe wouldn't have a problem with it. It was only because Raph said it.

Yes but thats because Raph had already had a go at Joe numerous times about him wanting to be there just for the money. Why else would Raph say it if not to get at Joe? Raph is smart theres no way he didn't know that would upset Ioe.

[azi]

He definitely wants to impress Raph. But if he watched the show he should know Raph does not ike conflict.

I' pretty sure Raph said "I like it" when Sue said something about Andrew being fiery.

And Raph might not like to conflict but he does like other people fighting :shrug:

[ChristmasNeeve]

Yes but thats because Raph had already had a go at Joe numerous times about him wanting to be there just for the money. Why else would Raph say it if not to get at Joe? Raph is smart theres no way he didn't know that would upset Ioe.

Whilst I think you're correct about that, i also think that the only reason why Joe got up and started clapping and making a big deal of what Deborah said was to have a dig at Raph because of what he'd said about Joe in his nomination, Raph knew that's what he was doing and that's why he said what he did afterwards

[armand.kay]

Whilst I think you're correct about that, i also think that the only reason why Joe got up and started clapping and making a big deal of what Deborah said was to have a dig at Raph because of what he'd said about Joe in his nomination, Raph knew that's what he was doing and that's why he said what he did afterwards

I feel like Joe's was more of a "see wanting the money is not a terrible thing". So Joe was more concerned about defending himself while Raph was more concerned with making joe look bad.

[ChristmasNeeve]

I feel like Joe's was more of a "see wanting the money is not a terrible thing". So Joe was more concerned about defending himself while Raph was more concerned with making joe look bad.

It was a **** you to Raph saying that about him in his nomination. I can understand why raph bit back because Joe has been giving him a hard time since he saw the nomination but all the other people who nominated him he's been as nice as pie to

[Vicky.]

Whilst I think you're correct about that, i also think that the only reason why Joe got up and started clapping and making a big deal of what Deborah said was to have a dig at Raph because of what he'd said about Joe in his nomination, Raph knew that's what he was doing and that's why he said what he did afterwards

Well yes. Raph made out like it was terrible to be there for the money, and then his mate admitted she would swipe the prize fund and leave if offered. I think Joe was probably glad that someone else had been honest about it rather than making out that they dont care about the money or winning and are only there for the experience. Like Tom claiming he would not even chose to evict someone and he would leave himself for gods sake...they are lying bastards and I think Joe was glad that Deb said that, hence the show about it to kind of say to raph 'see, your mates are here for money too' :laugh: Just a big mess. I don;t understand why every year hosuemates lie and make out like its a bad thing to want to win. They are all inthere to win D:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I liked Andrew until that last clip I saw. Well out of order.

[Fosse]

Andrew seems to me that he hasn't had a good wash in weeks...and all those baggy clothes don't suit him.

[Paula D]

He just says too many words!

[ChristmasNeeve]

Well yes. Raph made out like it was terrible to be there for the money, and then his mate admitted she would swipe the prize fund and leave if offered. I think Joe was probably glad that someone else had been honest about it rather than making out that they dont care about the money or winning and are only there for the experience. Like Tom claiming he would not even chose to evict someone and he would leave himself for gods sake...they are lying bastards and I think Joe was glad that Deb said that, hence the show about it to kind of say to raph 'see, your mates are here for money too' :laugh: Just a big mess. I don;t understand why every year hosuemates lie and make out like its a bad thing to want to win. They are all inthere to win D:

I get that but Joe still started the "digs" whether he was right or wrong, he did what he did to have a dig at Raph so he only has himself to blame if he gets s**t back

[Vicky.]

I get that but Joe still started the "digs" whether he was right or wrong, he did what he did to have a dig at Raph so he only has himself to blame if he gets s**t back

Oh indeed. I don;t blame raph for saying anything tbh. I just dislike how Andrew inserted himself firmly up raphs backside for no reason and made himself out to be a hero and was like a dog with a bone with baiting Joe outside, then lapped up all of the attention for his 'good deed'. Andrew makes my skin crawl for some reason...

[sungrass]

andrew = air time

[y.winter]

Andrew is great. Love him. He's doing nothing wrong imo

[Jase.]

He's SO clearly trying to stick up for Raph/start a showmance with him because he knows he's so popular with the public. It's so embarrassing to watch.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

He's SO clearly trying to stick up for Raph/start a showmance with him because he knows he's so popular with the public. It's so embarrassing to watch.

But Raph is not interested. He needs to respect that.

[Jase.]

But Raph is not interested. He needs to respect that.

I don't think he will respect that tho which is going to make for some extremely awkward/uncomfortable viewing :umm2:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I don't think he will respect that tho which is going to make for some extremely awkward/uncomfortable viewing :umm2:

He's giving me Craig vibes

[Jase.]

He's giving me Craig vibes

:joker: Craig was iconic tho. Andrew's just...ugh.

[MrWong]

He tried to have an Isy v Lotan moment that was no where near as iconic.

Plus trying to impress Raph.