Why is BB letting aggressors get away with serious intimidation

[sampvt]

People that show extreme aggression like sue and Andrew have, are just as bad as the people that react. If they were warned for unacceptable language and actions, these nasty aggressive barnies would never get off the ground. Are they going to listen when someone gets glassed or badly hurt. Its as if they actively are encouraging it.

The first big injury and the shows closed

[reece(:]

:crazy:

[Ant.]

People that show extreme aggression like sue and Andrew have, are just as bad as the people that react. If they were warned for unacceptable language and actions, these nasty aggressive barnies would never get off the ground. Are they going to listen when someone gets glassed or badly hurt. Its as if they actively are encouraging it.

The first big injury and the shows closed

Sue's a black woman who raised her voice so I can see why you're calling her aggressive, but how is Andrew aggressive?

You never had a problem with this with Lotan, or Sam.... :shrug:

[Vicky.]

We don't want more warnings. Seriously Sam, arguments are part of real life. What on earth would be the point in watching BB if they were warned for raising their voices and such. I get that you dislike Andrew and sue, but if those rules were applied to them, they would be applied to everyone and the would be no show at all :umm2:

'Serious intimidation' is such a ridiculous exaggeration too.

[AnnieK]

We don't want more warnings. Seriously Sam, arguments are part of real life. What on earth would be the point in watching BB if they were warned for raising their voices and such. I get that you dislike Andrew and sue, but if those rules were applied to them, they would be applied to everyone and the would be no show at all :umm2:

'Serious intimidation' is such a ridiculous exaggeration too.

:clap: completely agree

[sampvt]

:clap: completely agree

So calling an obviously annoyed straight man my darling boy is not serious intimidation and starting arguments with no foundation hoping for a reaction is ok is it. I agree that arguments will happen but deliberate baiting is out of order.

[Vanessa]

Almost everyone has been aggressive in there. Except Raph, Isabelle and Charlotte.

[Ant.]

So calling an obviously annoyed straight man my darling bot is not serious intimidation and starting arguments with no foundation hoping for a reaction is ok is it. I agree that arguments will happen but deliberate baiting is out of order.

Are you projecting yourself onto Joe here Sam? Are you that insecure about your sexuality and masculinity that, if you were called darling, you would be seriously intimidated?
If you find that 'seriously aggressive' then... well, I'm speechless

[sampvt]

Are you projecting yourself onto Joe here Sam? Are you that insecure about your sexuality and masculinity that, if you were called darling, you would be seriously intimidated?
If you find that 'seriously aggressive' then... well, I'm speechless

The fact that you cant see my point is worrying

[AnnieK]

Dont think darling boy is intimidating. Patronising yes.....goading yes but not intimidating.

[Ant.]

The fact that you cant see my point is worrying

What's your point? Andrew called a straight man 'darling'. Did such heterophobia against annoyed Joe shake him to the core? Are you suggesting Andrew knew Joe would be too sensitive to be rocked by such a term? Does that justify Joe's reaction?

[Headie]

I agree, it's shocking how much Sam, Ellie, Joe and Tom get away with

[Jordan.]

How fragile

[Withano]

I really don't remember tibb ever being this sensitive. What's changed. Nothing serious has happened since fight night, calm down.

[rusticgal]

Dont think darling boy is intimidating. Patronising yes.....goading yes but not intimidating.


I would say goading and intimidating amounts to the same thing...you are saying things in an attempt to get a reaction.:shrug:

[Withano]

So calling an obviously annoyed straight man my darling boy is not serious intimidation and starting arguments with no foundation hoping for a reaction is ok is it. I agree that arguments will happen but deliberate baiting is out of order.

Andrew didn't say it because he was straight, he said it because Joe was being a precious snowflake and over-sensitive and Andrew wanted to make a point out of that. It was passive aggressive of anything, Joe was closer to actual aggression.

Both gay and straight men are allowed to call both gay and straight men 'my darling boy'. Sure there was a hidden motive when Andrew used it, but like get over it, my darling boy.

[Mystic Mock]

People that show extreme aggression like sue and Andrew have, are just as bad as the people that react. If they were warned for unacceptable language and actions, these nasty aggressive barnies would never get off the ground. Are they going to listen when someone gets glassed or badly hurt. Its as if they actively are encouraging it.

The first big injury and the shows closed

If we're being fair Chanelle, and Kayleigh should be ejected.

Lotan should've been given a final warning for Fight Night, as should've Ellie and Deborah.

Andrew should've got a warning for his thing with Raph yesterday, but nothing more.

I can't comment on Sue's moment as I haven't watched it yet.

Joe should be on his final warning for getting up in Rebecca and Andrew's faces in those arguments.

Tom is on his final warning which is fair.

And I do think that Hannah maybe should've got a warning for restraining Raph yesterday.

So tbf it's not just Sue and Andrew that have gotten away with things imo.

[Mystic Mock]

So calling an obviously annoyed straight man my darling boy is not serious intimidation and starting arguments with no foundation hoping for a reaction is ok is it. I agree that arguments will happen but deliberate baiting is out of order.

Winding people up is a valid strategy on BB.

We wouldn't have had BB6 or Rex Newmark at all if you took that strategy away from BB.

[Marsh.]

So calling an obviously annoyed straight man my darling boy is not serious intimidation and starting arguments with no foundation hoping for a reaction is ok is it. I agree that arguments will happen but deliberate baiting is out of order.

What's his sexual orientation got to do with it?

[armand.kay]

Sorry why are we encouraging more pointless warnings?

[Kazanne]

Winding people up is a valid strategy on BB.

We wouldn't have had BB6 or Rex Newmark at all if you took that strategy away from BB.

Sexy Rexy now there was a good housemate.they don't make them like that anymore.

[Vanessa]

Winding people up is a valid strategy on BB.

We wouldn't have had BB6 or Rex Newmark at all if you took that strategy away from BB.

Rex was hilarious :joker:

[Mystic Mock]

Sexy Rexy now there was a good housemate.they don't make them like that anymore.

He was an iconic Housemate for BB9 for his baiting style.

If Sampvt's rules were put in place for BB9, Rex Newmark would've been ejected in that series.

[Vanessa]

He was an iconic Housemate for BB9 for his baiting style.

If Sampvt's rules were put in place for BB9, Rex Newmark would've been ejected in that series.

I'd swap you for scrabble :laugh3:

[Mystic Mock]

I'd swap you for scrabble :laugh3:

I love that comment.:joker:

But ironically he would've got a warning for that under Sampvt's rules that they'd apply to BB.

[Vanessa]

I love that comment.:joker:

But ironically he would've got a warning for that under Sampvt's rules that they'd apply to BB.

He wasn't a Rachel fan :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

He wasn't a Rachel fan :laugh:

I don't get how anyone was tbh.:laugh:

[Vanessa]

I don't get how anyone was tbh.:laugh:

She put me to sleep :joker: But I did like Kat. She was great.

[JTM45]

Are they going to listen when someone gets glassed

Yep.....................i'm sure the injuries from being 'glassed' with a plastic 'glass' could be life threatning! :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

She put me to sleep :joker: But I did like Kat. She was great.

Rachel was so boring.

I know there's this weird myth going around that she was more fun on Live Feed, but I watched Live Feed that year she was basically Shell from BB5.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Winding people up is a valid strategy on BB.

We wouldn't have had BB6 or Rex Newmark at all if you took that strategy away from BB.

you're acting like not having Rex would be a bad thing

[Mystic Mock]

you're acting like not having Rex would be a bad thing

You'd want him ejected for winding people up though?:laugh:

And personally Rex was the only one that did anything interesting in B-Block so I'd take him over the others in that group in that series.

[JTM45]

you're acting like not having Rex would be a bad thing

I'd have trouble remembering BB9 without Rex.............and Sara!

[Macie Lightfoot]

I want him ejected from my memory, yes.

[Mystic Mock]

I want him ejected from my memory, yes.

We all have Housemates like that so I do pity you.:laugh:

[Daniel.]

So calling an obviously annoyed straight man my darling boy is not serious intimidation and starting arguments with no foundation hoping for a reaction is ok is it. I agree that arguments will happen but deliberate baiting is out of order.

I call my straight best friend darling and he calls me it back, maybe because he's comfortable with his sexuality unlike Joe

[Northern Monkey]

I'm one for as few warnings as possible but if they are going to hand them out then be consistent is all i ask.

[Tom4784]

So out of all the aggressive people in that house you only take issue with a gay man and a black woman?

[RhysJones]

You call Sue aggressive tonight when it was literally her vs Tom, Sam and Ellie

[Ant.]

So out of all the aggressive people in that house you only take issue with a gay man and a black woman?

Someone said it!! :cheer2:

[Mystic Mock]

You call Sue aggressive tonight when it was literally her vs Tom, Sam and Ellie

Tbf Ellie didn't do much wrong tonight.

[pontyboi]

So calling an obviously annoyed straight man my darling boy is not serious intimidation and starting arguments with no foundation hoping for a reaction is ok is it. I agree that arguments will happen but deliberate baiting is out of order.

Look arguments don't happen for no reason....Andrew is an eccentric character and that's the way he talks to anyone.

Joe in your opinion took it as some sort of gay thing but why should that be an issue? Why would Joe feel less of a man?

It was purely the fact Andrew is a newbie and has the chance to steal money from the prize fund.

I think both me and you agree Joe is a scrotum?

[pontyboi]

So out of all the aggressive people in that house you only take issue with a gay man and a black woman?

You're doing the same thing though lol lets stop calling out skin colour or what willy goes in a bum and judge on personality.

Am I the only sane person here?

[Tom4784]

You're doing the same thing though lol lets stop calling out skin colour or what willy goes in a bum and judge on personality.

Am I the only sane person here?

How is it in any way, shape or form the same? Explain because I don't see the logic in that comparison.

It's an aggressive house, if you're gonna call certain housemates aggressive but then never mention anything about the likes of Tom or Chanelle then it's going to look suspect. Pointing that out isn't a case of me doing the same thing as Sam, that makes no sense. I just think it's hypocritical to mention aggression and then home in on certain housemates while ignoring more aggressive HMs just because they happen to be white and straight.

The desire to ignore racism and homophobia when it's staring you in the face is almost as disturbing as the racism and homophobia itself.

[pontyboi]

How is it in any way, shape or form the same? Explain because I don't see the logic in that comparison.

It's an aggressive house, if you're gonna call certain housemates aggressive but then never mention anything about the likes of Tom or Chanelle then it's going to look suspect. Pointing that out isn't a case of me doing the same thing as Sam, that makes no sense. I just think it's hypocritical to mention aggression and then home in on certain housemates while ignoring more aggressive HMs just because they happen to be white and straight.

The desire to ignore racism and homophobia when it's staring you in the face is almost as disturbing as the racism and homophobia itself.

I don't see the house more aggressive than BB3 back in 2002....I do however find the viewers getting constantly offended and shockingly the ratings have dropped....actually not shocking at all.

Why does Big Brother get so much more complaints when other shows with actual punch ups and full on sex is overlooked?

It's the BB fans they are so self destructive and killing the show.....my god ive said this atleast times now.

[pontyboi]

How is it in any way, shape or form the same? Explain because I don't see the logic in that comparison.

It's an aggressive house, if you're gonna call certain housemates aggressive but then never mention anything about the likes of Tom or Chanelle then it's going to look suspect. Pointing that out isn't a case of me doing the same thing as Sam, that makes no sense. I just think it's hypocritical to mention aggression and then home in on certain housemates while ignoring more aggressive HMs just because they happen to be white and straight.

The desire to ignore racism and homophobia when it's staring you in the face is almost as disturbing as the racism and homophobia itself.

Because attributing a certain personality to someone who has a different skin colour or likes having sex with someone of the same gender is dumb.

And they do mention the likes of dicks like Tom....im Welsh and I think he's a knob.


There's you're proof I don't stick up for certain racies.

[Paula D]

I would say goading and intimidating amounts to the same thing...you are saying things in an attempt to get a reaction.:shrug:

I think you need to look up a definition of intimidating.

[Paula D]

Because attributing a certain personality to someone who has a different skin colour or likes having sex with someone of the same gender is dumb.

And they do mention the likes of dicks like Tom....im Welsh and I think he's a knob.


There's you're proof I don't stick up for certain racies.

I think you've missed the point ponty, Dezzy is not talking about you.

[sampvt]

I wasnt going to come back and explain myself but it now seems necessary.....You are all missing the point. I meant, or tried to convey, that extreme aggression or bad intimidation can make people to do things they cant help. God luv, 90 % of the worlds murders are commited over arguments using words.

If a man goes up against a woman, regardless of their gender or skin and gets right up into her face and personal space shouting, he will be either evicted or warned and severely. HOWEVER women can do the same thing pushing a man to the brink of insanity, and she gets away with it and the guy is supposed to sit down and brush it off.

Putting your point across and arguing is one thing, but when you get PERSONAL, thats different. I was using andrew and sue as examples because they were the last 2 fresh arguments in the house, just so happens they fit Dezzys profile of colour and gender which a lot on here want to label me with but you couldnt be farther from the truth. I supported dowling all the way through as a great HM and he was gay and Ive supported black or Asian contestants over the years.

Im not racist or homophobe, I might come across that way just because there are a lot of different types of people in the house. My issue is with people that go OTT with comments and phrases that are deliberately designed to hurt. Calling Joe and aggressive wanker of despicable miserable old man would be regarded as bad but acceptable, but calling him darling boy is OTT. Sue said yesterday that Sams relationship in the house was nothing to do with anyone and she encouraged it, then she comes out with this ****.

If Joe had have called Andrew a raving nancy boy or even darling boy, he wouldnt be here. I just cant seem to get my point across to some people as they will never listen to anyone they cant or wont like. My whole point is that BB needs to treat all hm,s the same, male or female, gender or colour, size or stature. This year they are loosing the plot and deliberately encouraging mayhem and its so plain to see. They are getting more blood thirsty because they think it brings the ratings but sadly it just disgusts most viewers. By the way, what is unacceptable language.....Using the C word obviously isnt, speaking about felation and spitting ejaculate out the window isnt, calling someone a darling boy isnt, so where do they draw the line. Certainly nowhere near the bounds of orality that other shows use.

[Niamh.]

How anyone could consider "darling boy" as serious intimidation is beyond me.

[Withano]

I think you put your point across well there, Sam... I just think you're wrong, you keep drawing parallels and claiming injustice, but theres nothing to back that up. you do not have specific examples, you are just presuming that there would be different rules for different housemates, when really, there has been like ten(?) ejections in history of bbuk - and none of them were ejected for their angry words alone, so your entire thread seems a bit futile.

[sampvt]

How anyone could consider "darling boy" as serious intimidation is beyond me.

Ask your hubby and his mates, but remember to tell them its not just a friendly comment. You might be surprised by the results. We cant run a poll on it for obvious reasons.

[Paula D]

Sam, some of your post above is understandable but you're losing the argument by constantly bringing sexuality into it.

You're obsessed with this "darling boy" comment. That was not aggressive or intimidation. It was goading yeh but more fool Joe for falling for it.

By the way, I've asked my lads what they thought and they said that Andrew was deliberately pressing Joes buttons and Joe fell for it hook, line and sinker. Just like you have.

Anyone who would punch someone for saying that (which is what you're suggesting) is either homophobic or unsure of their own sexuality. Simple as.

I agree with you on a lot of the other points but this is simply not one of them.

[Niamh.]

Ask your hubby and his mates, but remember to tell them its not just a friendly comment. You might be surprised by the results. We cant run a poll on it for obvious reasons.

I know my husband really really well, he's very comfortable with his sexuality, if a guy said that to him (gay or straight) he would find it funny.

[Littlegreen]

Wasn't the "darling boy" comment more a dig at the way Joe refers to people?

[Paula D]

And by the way, you're not helping your cause by only starting threads about Sue and Andrew.

After watching last nights show, what the fook was Sam at? He stood up and constantly told Sue to get into the house. What was that about? That was certainly aggressive and intimidating.

When I saw the clip yesterday I thought he'd stood up after she started on him but he didn't he stood up before she said a word to him. He deserved exactly what he got.