I think BB will be axed for good on C5 accoridng to reliable "source"

[*mazedsalv**]

I don't know if I'm allowed to state names, so I won't. But someone (people may know who) has been in constant contact with producers for years. After a while of being ignored the last year, they got an email from Ben Frow.

Well, it seems like a very bad place to be over on C5HQ! Basically there is nothing left to do. Mirella (new person) has ruined the show further. The civilian series was doing as well as it always has been before she came on the scene. A lot of fingers in the ears, "fla-lalaing".

The news will all come out after CBB airs, I think they are waiting on the performance of that series to come to a final decision. But at the moment, civilian BB seems to be dead in the water.

I think right now it's all embargoed and isn't allowed to be posted. But what I know is that "right now, they are in a worse position that 4 was in mid BB10"... and IIRC that was the time C4 announced they would be axing Big Brother.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Well it had a good run, honestly I know if it was not for Rpah I would have probably given this season a miss

[Littlegreen]

Well it had a good run, honestly I know if it was not for Rpah I would have probably given this season a miss

Ditto.

[*mazedsalv**]

Well it had a good run, honestly I know if it was not for Rpah I would have probably given this season a miss

It has.

And apparently TV channels are refusing to snap it up if it gets cancelled, but there is some interest in taking it online. That way, it will be less about "ratings" and more about bringing 24/7 feed back and increasing quality.

[Cal.]

That stupid cow that joined can piss off. BB17 was fine and it was building itself back up.

[Daniel-X]

I'll miss it but this series has been very stale, the warning signs have been here all series that it was set to be axed especially when they're putting Legally Blonde on tonight in favour of it :skull:

[azi]

Didn't they just say they are still hopeful for the civilian series? And isn't doing better than bb16?
One season could be a hit and the next could be a mess. Look at bb15 and 16 doing bad and then 17 did well. I don't believe they would just let it go like this.

[Morgan.]

Exactly, and I'm sure Frow has said in recent interviews that he's happy with the performance and wouldn't mind keep running it - just at a later spot. And honsestly, I don't think a later spot is bad especially if it avoids clashes with Love Island (I don't watch but I know it's popular).

[sampvt]

Amazon poised to snap it up and revert it back to normal format. That would work if it was linked to some kind of live internet hookup paid for

[*mazedsalv**]

Didn't they just say they are still hopeful for the civilian series? And isn't doing better than bb16?
One season could be a hit and the next could be a mess. Look at bb15 and 16 doing bad and then 17 did well. I don't believe they would just let it go like this.

Nope, it was all lies. The talk of being hopeful was the biggest cover up ever. Ben Frow himself said they are pretty muck ****ed.

The series is currently around 200k lower than the average of BB16, so 200k lower than the series low.

[*mazedsalv**]

Exactly, and I'm sure Frow has said in recent interviews that he's happy with the performance and wouldn't mind keep running it - just at a later spot. And honsestly, I don't think a later spot is bad especially if it avoids clashes with Love Island (I don't watch but I know it's popular).

Those interviews were before this series though. Believe me, word from his mouth is that they are in very bad decision. Endemol want one thing, and 5 another, massive disagreements and no one on either party know what the viewers want. And the feed issue keeps coming up and it's a resounding no. "Endemol expect us to keep throwing our money at BB when no one knows or understands the audience, when we could get cheaper factual for 20% more audience".

Ben Frow is not happy. Apparently a "point of no return". Lets remind ourselves that Frow was the one that stated "BB must be at 2m officials to be viable" at the start of BB12... well the are getting half of that.

[Jack_]

Ben Frow's talk in Edinburgh this summer will be interesting to say the least

When civilian's over so's my association with this pathetic channel, like **** am I watching CBB. Out of interest do you know if they plan to see the contract out with the final series next year or will BB18 have been the last?

[*mazedsalv**]

Ben Frow's talk in Edinburgh this summer will be interesting to say the least

When civilian's over so's my association with this pathetic channel, like **** am I watching CBB. Out of interest do you know if they plan to see the contract out with the final series next year or will BB18 have been the last?

I will always watch as it has it's ups and downs. For example, I loved BB17 and the January series.

[Greg!]

It has.

And apparently TV channels are refusing to snap it up if it gets cancelled, but there is some interest in taking it online. That way, it will be less about "ratings" and more about bringing 24/7 feed back and increasing quality.

Is this just speculation or did your source hear this? I'd be here for it if they brought back live feed etc. BB still has a cult following so if amazon bought it for example they would get a lot of new subscriptions I think.

[Jack_]

I will always watch as it has it's ups and downs. For example, I loved BB17 and the January series.

Me too but civilian has always been the reason I watch this show and despite C5's attempts to sabotage it and shove CBB down our throats I still see it as the spin-off that it is. If CBB stays and civilian goes that's me done on principle

I'd also be pretty annoyed at Endemol for even agreeing to it tbh

[Greg!]

If they axe it then it'll be sad obvs but not many shows last 19 years. I just hope they give it a good send off with a proper Allstars series for BB19 with the greats like Nikki, Charley and Gina returning.

[Jack_]

How fuming tho to miss the anniversary by one series

[*mazedsalv**]

Is this just speculation or did your source hear this? I'd be here for it if they brought back live feed etc. BB still has a cult following so if amazon bought it for example they would get a lot of new subscriptions I think.

It was in talks. So I guess it's a bit of speculation and a bit of likelihood too. But with the another TV channel getting it, certainly not. That's pretty much gone, ship has sailed.

As I said, the person who was pushing for feed is no longer there and in summer 2016 was coming up with a BB type game for the online with feed.

[Littlegreen]

It'll be so odd not having it on during the summer. Bittersweet.

[LukeB]

It will be sad to see it go but in a way i don't really mind. It needs a bit of break really and maybe bring it back in a few years? It will be strange only watching BBUSA because am i hell watching cbb if they keep that

[Greg!]

And the feed issue keeps coming up and it's a resounding no. "Endemol expect us to keep throwing our money at BB when no one knows or understands the audience, when we could get cheaper factual for 20% more audience".


God theyre so thick. If they brought back live feed hundreds of thousands of old viewers would come flooding back overnight. That's maybe a bit of exaggeration but that's all viewers have been asking for since 2011 :umm2: how can they not know what viewers want? Do they not read social media?

[*mazedsalv**]

Also a reply...

"Spoke with Cris At Endemol last night and they are scared stiff about the future.
so that story from the Creative director was just that... utter B*llocks"

So we know it's not too rosy.

Basically they are waiting until after CBB. If CBB is stable, they will come to an agreement. If it falls, then it's done.

[reece(:]

Their fault for casting mostly reality veterans and labelling it as civilian. They'll never learn

[Jack_]

It's no coincidence that the best rating civilian on C5 is the one with the most feed available

I know the ship and the debate sailed a long time ago but the main benefit of the feed isn't just that you can watch whenever (and thus keeps the show honest - which is what they really hate the most), it's that social media and the press (less so these days) pick up on stories as they happen, which is a hell of a lot more reliable at drumming up interest in an argument or whatever than C5 holding the footage for 18 hours and then releasing it two hours before the highlights

[RichardG]

i haven't bothered watching this season post launch night

i think that i just don't care about it anymore

[RichardG]

and with the ratings as dire as they are there's no way that it will be continued, it's over

[Vladimir]

Embrace the superior BBUSA format but still keep daily HL shows ffs! They literally have nothing to lose at this point.

[azi]

I think this was the nail in the coffin.

eNWMtRg38Nc

Both cbb and the civilian series did poorly after this.

[Littlegreen]

Back when the live feed was on, BB would always be a word-of-mouth thing, I recall students would watch in the refectory or between classes.

It was addictive because you actually got to know the housemates and wanted to support a favourite.

[Jake.]

It's sad tbh, especially in the case of CBB when you think it was averaging over 3 million in 2014/15. Still, I guess it had to end at some point

[T*]

Good. I'm glad to hear they're putting it out of its misery instead of beating the same dead horse over and over again instead of trying to revitalise the show in anyway to get it how it used to be rather than destroying its legacy.

It has.

And apparently TV channels are refusing to snap it up if it gets cancelled, but there is some interest in taking it online. That way, it will be less about "ratings" and more about bringing 24/7 feed back and increasing quality.
Yall I called this!
It has potential tbh, if they rest it for a bit and then do the show properly then there could be success.

[SteveG2688]

The ratings have dropped to between 600,000 - 800,000. Thats pretty darn bad. They should first try moving the series to winter where there is basically no reality tv on. Why any network would be silly enough to air a show alongside Love Island is just beyond me. They also need to stop putting reality stars/ z-lister/ people with agents into the civilian series and go back to channel 4's format of holding auditions in centres around the uk. They need to axe the production team and bring new people in then go back and look at big brother 1 -16 and see what worked and what didn't. Channel 5 own 3 channels (maybe more) have one of those channels constantly showing live feed. Then the media can keep on top of the story. Bring some of the classic stuff back like stricter rules. I have a feeling they will axe it and the only network i think that would be interested would be itv and they will just ruin it by turning it into love island 2.0.

[Paula D]

I think a break of 10 years or so would do it good. Then bring back the original format as a classic.

[Epic.]

I think this was the nail in the coffin.

eNWMtRg38Nc

Both cbb and the civilian series did poorly after this.

No it was the next day when bear won where thousands of people declared on facebook they're never watching ever again

[SteveG2688]

I'll miss it but this series has been very stale, the warning signs have been here all series that it was set to be axed especially when they're putting Legally Blonde on tonight in favour of it :skull:

I feel like they have been there since last series. Ratings started going down quiet alot last series as before this series it was C5's lowest rated and viewed series.

[SteveG2688]

No it was the next day when bear won where thousands of people declared on facebook they're never watching ever again

I remember this and they aired this on the live feed!!! People were not happy myself included and all C5 said regarding it was that it is an entertainment show and should be viewed that way.

[poppsywoppsy]

I thought the end was nigh when C5 kept moving it back in the schedules. Yes, the content was foul at times but you don't move the times when a programme is performing well.

This series even the days have been swopped, it does not bode well for the future.

[pontyboi]

Amazon poised to snap it up and revert it back to normal format. That would work if it was linked to some kind of live internet hookup paid for

Tbh that would be amazing having it on an online channel.

[Paula D]

I honestly don't get where people are coming from with the live feed, I never could watch more than 5 minutes of it will all the birds singing and conversations interrupted. Drove me mad, you can't see what's going on anyway because they turn off the sound?

[SteveG2688]

It is sad though. Ive watched since big brother 1 way back when i was 11 all the way to now when im 28. Grew up with it so its a shame.

[pontyboi]

I think this was the nail in the coffin.

eNWMtRg38Nc

Both cbb and the civilian series did poorly after this.

Very true this footage was shocking.

[BBDodge]

ITV2 bosses will be high-fiving themselves.

They took on BB and won with an inferior product.

A shame they didn't pick up BB and do something better with it than C5 are doing.

[Oaker]

good

now come thru online BB

[supertv247]

When would it end though? If it's after the current contact, is that after BB19? Or after CBB21? Or even after CBB22 in January 2019 seeing as the contract started in summer...

[y.winter]

It comes as no surprise.

I've been saying it a lot that heads should roll in C5's HQ. This is bad job, zero professionalism. Bad casting, bad editing, bad PR, bad online presence, bad production, bad scheduling, no creativity, overkill of CBB twice a year, bad relations with the audience. Pure disgrace. I can't believe Endemol has let C5 get away with it, absolutely killing the format and making it unattractive for the foreseen future.
These people's job is doing TV, and it's embarrassing that this is their best.

Let BB rest for 5 years and give it to someone who bothers reviving it properly, with an online life feed, which is the only acceptable future for BB (and funnily enough, was also its past).

[Jamesy]

It would be sad to see it go although it's going no where on C5 so I would be glad to see it axed.

As for it's future beyond that, it seems dead in the water. Maybe it will be picked up in 5 years or so by a TV channel.

I wonder how well it would perform on Netflix or Amazon, you could have two channels/shows, one 24/7 live feed, and the other highlights shows. HL shows could be released at 9pm in the evenings to keep things consistent (so forums like this can pretty much have discussions as usual). Not sure if highlights each night would work on an online platform, maybe go down the route of 3 or 4 extended shows each week. They could even get the show going on other countries Amazon/Netflix accounts too, to further the fan base.

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[pontyboi]

It comes as no surprise.

I've been saying it a lot that heads should roll in C5's HQ. This is bad job, zero professionalism. Bad casting, bad editing, bad PR, bad online presence, bad production, bad scheduling, no creativity, overkill of CBB twice a year, bad relations with the audience. Pure disgrace. I can't believe Endemol has let C5 get away with it, absolutely killing the format and making it unattractive for the foreseen future.
These people's job is doing TV, and it's embarrassing that this is their best.

Let BB rest for 5 years and give it to someone who bothers reviving it properly, with an online life feed, which is the only acceptable future for BB (and funnily enough, was also its past).

Good point I think maybe Endemol have only let it stay with Channel 5 because no one else wants it?

Live feed is what made BB unique.

BB spawned a whole load of rip off reality shows and in recent history it's ironic that BB is trying to emulate those rip offs......very badly may I add.

I wish ITV2 would just pick it up and air CBB on the main channel it could actually work.

[T*]

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Channel 4 do become interested again bc right now they're in the middle of what seems to be a midlife crisis.
They've got no real flagship show and are trying to change that by reviving shows like The Crystal Maze and attempting to do stuff like Host the Week (and flopping)
I wouldn't say a C4 revival is off the cards, the 20th anniversary is in 3 years and they could restore it to how it used to be

[Epic.]

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Channel 4 do become interested again bc right now they're in the middle of what seems to be a midlife crisis.
They've got no real flagship show and are trying to change that by reviving shows like The Crystal Maze and attempting to do stuff like Host the Week (and flopping)
I wouldn't say a C4 revival is off the cards, the 20th anniversary is in 3 years and they could restore it to how it used to be

I would faint and go comatose

[fitz2k2]

move to new network and find a new casting director. Cast people with 0 agents and who hasn't been on any other tv shows

[Greg!]

It's weird that the entire future of the franchise rests on whether CBB20 is a flop or not.

If it gets decent ratings then BB will be renewed and we'll have at least 3 more years of BB on channel 5.

If it flops then it will either be axed or enter a new era by becoming an online show and going back to its roots with live feed etc.

Interesting times girls!

[supertv247]

It's weird that the entire future of the franchise rests on whether CBB20 is a flop or not.

If it gets decent ratings then BB will be renewed and we'll have at least 3 more years of BB on channel 5.

If it flops then it will either be axed or enter a new era by becoming an online show and going back to its roots with live feed etc.

Interesting times girls!

So either no more big brother or 9 more series? They better not screw up this series I stg :shocked:

[Epic.]

It's weird that the entire future of the franchise rests on whether CBB20 is a flop or not.

If it gets decent ratings then BB will be renewed and we'll have at least 3 more years of BB on channel 5.

If it flops then it will either be axed or enter a new era by becoming an online show and going back to its roots with live feed etc.

Interesting times girls!

Summer CBB tends to not do as well though

[Rob!]

Summer CBB tends to not do as well though

They will know that, it's their reliance on running the show into the ground which has resulted in the constant desperation for conflict and ratings chasing ironically.

[Daniel-X]

It's a shame that this is the end though, I've grown up with BB and I'll be really sad to see it go because of the nostalgia it has for me.

BB18 has proven though that there's no more life in the show :(

[bots]

Can't see the franchise being renewed across any of the uk terrestrial channels. It's stale with an ever diminishing viewership. So the maximum it has got to run is next year.

If it moved to online delivery it would need to be fresh and interesting for it to be feasible, and if that were the case, there is just no reason for it to be linked to BB.

[Littlegreen]

The format itself isn't stale, it's CH5's version of it that is.

[bots]

The format is clearly stale, that's why they have changed it over the years, attempting to keep it fresh. The problem they have is that its morphed into something that is now unwatchable for the majority. Once that point is reached it just isn't recoverable. Back to basics for example, just won't cut it.

[Greg!]

It's a shame that this is the end though, I've grown up with BB and I'll be really sad to see it go because of the nostalgia it has for me.

BB18 has proven though that there's no more life in the show :(

I keep seeing this opinion everywhere but this series has been really good?

[Jason.]

I'm actually beginning to think maybe it is the format that is stale? Like I wouldn't have said that during BB15 as I thought that series was a one-off, but it's just gotten worse and worse each year and my interest in the show has faded really quickly since then. The show's no longer fresh or original anymore and the novelty wore off years ago.

That's not to say that the abysmal production hasn't also played a massive part in why this show has gone to ****, because it has. But I'm just over the show in general at this point. I haven't watched any of BB18 in like over 3 weeks and the last civilian series I watched fully was BB15.

[SteveG2688]

The format is clearly stale, that's why they have changed it over the years, attempting to keep it fresh. The problem they have is that its morphed into something that is now unwatchable for the majority. Once that point is reached it just isn't recoverable. Back to basics for example, just won't cut it.

I dont believe this, if channel 4 were to pick it up again (which i doubt would happen, who knows) and start using the old eye and original strict rules, move the show to the winter so its not up againt other main reality tv shows, axe the 2 cbb's a year and stick to a basic house and no OTT theme, axe bit on the side and run live feed on E4 (that airs crap and repeats during the day) and start casting the old way with non reality tv stars it could run for a while again. The c5 version has always felt very tacky to me yet the C4 version didnt. Ive never liked the way C5 theme the show and cast for the show. 90% of the themes they do they never follow through with on C5 like this years "culture clash" with eople from all different walks of life from across the uk. They are all z-listers with agents and have nearly all done some other form of reality tv.

[T*]

I keep seeing this opinion everywhere but this series has been really good?

It's been very meh and I've found myself not watching it for days (first time I've really done it) and coming back to it unphased and not missing anything interesting

[Greg!]

I don't think the format is stale. the production is just bad, there's too many Z-Listers on civilian BB, (I love Channers but she should have been on CBB), and the lack of live feed which has drove former viewers away. They're to blame for the show being in this state ratings -wise

[Greg!]

It's been very meh and I've found myself not watching it for days (first time I've really done it) and coming back to it unphased and not missing anything interesting

There were like 3 boring episodes last week but since then it's picked up and been really good. Also Sukhvinder, Isabelle, Sue, Chanelle and maybe even Arthur are top 25 housemates in my opinion.

[T*]

Yeah I don't really find the format stale because Channel 5 doesn't even attempt to try and follow the format properly in the first place.is definitely tired though
It needs have a break, attempt to go back to C4-era level of production, follow the format CORRECTLY with live feed and following the main concept of BB rather than using it as a cross promotional tool for EOTB etc

[Wizard.]

It's weird that the entire future of the franchise rests on whether CBB20 is a flop or not.

If it gets decent ratings then BB will be renewed and we'll have at least 3 more years of BB on channel 5.

If it flops then it will either be axed or enter a new era by becoming an online show and going back to its roots with live feed etc.

Interesting times girls!

It won't flop when Katie Price returns for Summer Legends!

[Oaker]

Doesn't Summer CBB always get 500k more than BB?

If that's the case this year it'll probably be lower than BB14 :skull:

[storybrooke]

It will be sad if the show gets cancelled, but hopefully it will lead onto better things. Such as a new channel and producers who actually care.

[Jodie.]

So is the “can’t have BB without CBB and vice-versa” deal still standing?

[Jodie.]

The fact that it’s THIS series, which is amazing, is getting the lowest ratings ever is depressing

[SteveG2688]

The fact that it’s THIS series, which is amazing, is getting the lowest ratings ever is depressing

This series is terrible so i have no idea what you are watching lol

[Jodie.]

This series is terrible so i have no idea what you are watching lol

No it’s not - it’s in my Top 5 and people are slating it for no reason whatsoever

[Oaker]

No it’s not - it’s in my Top 5 and people are slating it for no reason whatsoever

It's good episodes are great but it's bad episodes are truly awful, that's why it's being slated.

[Macie Lightfoot]

this series would maybe be in my top five if I've only seen five series.

[TaylorCallum]

No it’s not - it’s in my Top 5 and people are slating it for no reason whatsoever

I really like it too. I wish it had better ratings, it doesn't deserve to be the least viewed.

[SteveG2688]

It's good episodes are great but it's bad episodes are truly awful, that's why it's being slated.

I agree, im not liking it as once again they lied about the theme. They are all reality stars (mostly) i was expecting it to be normal people from all over the uk like C5 sold the show with.

[Jodie.]

BB18 will go down as the most criminally underrated series of all time x

[T*]

there are plenty of other underrated series that beat this

[Oaker]

The most underrated series is BB10 and that's a fact

[Binbin]

No matter which channel, they need to retain Emma Willis and use her a LOT MORE.

[SteveG2688]

No matter which channel, they need to retain Emma Willis and use her a LOT MORE.

I actually recon if they asked Davina to come back she would. She even hinted on this morning that if she could do it again she would. I like Emma Willis too tho she does own it.

[Macie Lightfoot]

no BB10 is also garbage

[SteveG2688]

no BB10 is also garbage

I remember that series got a lot of stick which is probably why channel 4 announced after that series that the show would only have one more series then get axed. I know BB10 had terrible ratings.

[Binbin]

I remember that series got a lot of stick which is probably why channel 4 announced after that series that the show would only have one more series then get axed. I know BB10 had terrible ratings.

Never sure why channels axe shows when they themselves have messed it up.

For example - on what ****ing grounds was Jason even included in the cast for that last season? Was he interviewed by paint drying?

Here's the solution: STOP KILLING YOUR OWN SHOW

[SteveG2688]

Never sure why channels axe shows when they themselves have messed it up.

For example - on what ****ing grounds was Jason even included in the cast for that last season? Was he interviewed by paint drying?

Here's the solution: STOP KILLING YOUR OWN SHOW

I agree! And then he went on to win the show too!! Still dont understand how as he was hated after that week of back door eviction for getting rid of lateysha grace a public fav!

[Northern Monkey]

Let's be honest it's not been actual BB for years.One of the main pulling factors and components of the show was people living in isolation with no outside contact to see how they'd cope and the psychological aspects of it.It was an experiment.Not knowing how you were being perceived was a major factor.Now they get social media thrust at them constantly,People going in and out of the house for tasks,New housemates telling them how they're doing and god knows what else since there's no live feed.
It's been on its arse for a long time.
The housemates have agents ffs.I don't even know if people apply anymore.What would be the point?It's Towie light.
It's time it went for a good decade to let people forget about this embarrassment then possibly bring it back to its original form one day.

[SteveG2688]

Let's be honest it's not been actual BB for years.One of the main pulling factors and components of the show was people living in isolation with no outside contact to see how they'd cope and the psychological aspects of it.It was an experiment.Not knowing how you were being perceived was a major factor.Now they get social media thrust at them constantly,People going in and out of the house for tasks,New housemates telling them how they're doing and god knows what else since there's no live feed.
It's been on its arse for a long time.
The housemates have agents ffs.I don't even know if people apply anymore.What would be the point?It's Towie light.
It's time it went for a good decade to let people forget about this embarrassment then possibly bring it back to its original form one day.

Im actually watching back the 2011 series on youtube as we speak and ive just watched the pre launch interview with Brian and he does state that the show may be back but its not a social experiment this time around its a entertainment show. So i guess that explains why they did away with all of the C4 stuff. It hasnt been a reality show since C4 days. I think to save the show they need to bring it back as a reality show again with everything you have mentioned. There is too much contact with the outside world etc. Even the C5 2011 series was better then any of the ones they have put out in years as its stricter and still has elements of C4 in there and theres no theme, its just plain old big brother. watching this series back has really shown me just how down hill it has gone.

[Tom4784]

I imagine they'll give it one more series since it's still a top performer for C5.

If that happens then they need to completely get rid of however's in charge of it since trying to turn it into Love Island or EONTB isn't working. No one cares about showmances in Civ BB and the media only care about them in CBB when it's sexually explicit like Lewis Bloor and Marnie or it's completely messy and toxic like Steph and Jeremy.

They also need to stop with the RTV alumni housemates and scouting people since most of the time we end up with bland model types instead of interesting HMs.

[Cal.]

The long time fans need to come through for their show this August then

[Jodie.]

The long time fans need to come through for their show this August then

Get promoting gals x

[SteveG2688]

I want them to put a mix of people in, give me jill who works on the bakery in tesco or sally who works for inter flora, chris who works as a postman. Normal people with normal everyday lives not models or tv personalities who are off partying in Marbella and only want to get it on with people in the house and walk around with their bits hanging out like sl**s.

[Jodie.]

Right so basically if CBB does well then it’s more likely they’ll renew the contract for both shows?

[SteveG2688]

Right so basically if CBB does well then it’s more likely they’ll renew the contract for both shows?

Apparently, although i can see them doing away with civilian bb and sticking with only celeb bb.

[Jodie.]

Apparently, although i can see them doing away with civilian bb and sticking with only celeb bb.

Endemol said it was a package deal tho

[DouglasS]

There are many boring/bad episodes, this season has not been very good. People tend to have goldfish memories and always do view the ongoing current season as a great one, people did so with BB15 and then later realised it wasn't great and also BB17 people classed as the best of C5 whereas now it's greatly accepted BB13 is that. People are classing this as a middle series right now, which means it is actually one of the bad seasons. I'm enjoying it because I love BB and like every series despite some being bad/worse, but I'm not compelled to watch the show and the show has gone backwards since BB17. I actually choose to watch Love Island over Big Brother as it's more entertaining and compelling which is why its thrashing BB in the ratings despite starting off below/at the same level.

[Jodie.]

I don’t remember one person thinking BB15 was great at the time
And BB17 has just as many as supporters as BB13, maybe even more

[SteveG2688]

I don’t remember one person thinking BB15 was great at the time
And BB17 has just as many as supporters as BB13, maybe even more

I didn't like 17 at the time but now comparing it to this year it was great!

[Headie]

The long time fans need to come through for their show this August then

Let ha die

[Northern Monkey]

Let ha die

Yeah it needs to

[Tregard]

The format is clearly in need of a rest and a new channel at the helm

[Oaker]

I don’t remember one person thinking BB15 was great at the time
And BB17 has just as many as supporters as BB13, maybe even more

It really doesn't. BB13 beats BB17 in every ranking/poll on here :laugh:

[Cal.]

It really doesn't. BB13 beats BB17 in every ranking/poll on here :laugh:

Tbf a lot of people had 17 above 13 in the series ranking thread for one. I prefer 17 to 13 myself.

[Cal.]

Let ha die

They'll be nothing to watch/look forward to then. A new Charley could be out there waiting for ha time to shine!

[Mitchell]

17 > 16 > 14 > 13 tbh

[Greg!]

Hopefully the Love Island stans will have withdrawal symptoms and flock to CBB20 in their droves. But this probs won't happen because channel 5 are thick and will launch it when LI is still on or like 1 day after with no promotion.

[Greg!]

17 > 16 > 14 > 13 tbh

:umm2: :umm2: :umm2: :umm2: :umm2: on WHAT planet is 16 better than 13.

[ethanjames]

ive recently stopped watching sadly so I'm not surprised they may be stopping it.

[Cal.]

If they had sense they would extend it as much as Love Island extends their series and let them continue damaging civilian as much as it has done and keep CBB20 way out of it's way.

[Captain.Remy]

I know C5 brings a lot of problems to the show, but I still am not ready to have it cancelled completely :(

[Littlegreen]

Love Island may be doing amazingly this year, but they could easily plummet in the ratings next year if the cast is sh*t.

That's why it's stupid to just give up on BB - when it just needs somebody who actually understands the format to take control.

[TaylorCallum]

:umm2: :umm2: :umm2: :umm2: :umm2: on WHAT planet is 16 better than 13.

16 is the best Channel 5 series.

http://i.imgur.com/f8y5rXj.gif

[Morgan.]

I know C5 brings a lot of problems to the show, but I still am not ready to have it cancelled completely :(

Yeah. Give it new management who know what what they're doing (diehard fans basically), take it right Back to Basics and if it really doesn't pick up then we know that it's not watched anymore. I want to know that with better production and with a format that appeals to superfans, it'll improve.

[Captain.Remy]

16 is the best Channel 5 series.

http://i.imgur.com/f8y5rXj.gif

And then people tell me I'm crazy to say BB15 was a decent good series.
Y'all find crazier than me :joker::joker:

[Jason.]

16 is the best Channel 5 series.

http://i.imgur.com/f8y5rXj.gif

http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar96477_61.gif

[Jodie.]

The news will all come out after CBB airs, I think they are waiting on the performance of that series to come to a final decision. But at the moment, civilian BB seems to be dead in the water.

I think right now it's all embargoed and isn't allowed to be posted. But what I know is that "right now, they are in a worse position that 4 was in mid BB10"... and IIRC that was the time C4 announced they would be axing Big Brother.

So do we think the ratings right now for CBB20 have made C5 come to a decision to renew the contract? Or are they too low:(

[EspeonBB]

16 is the best Channel 5 series.

http://i.imgur.com/f8y5rXj.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/beK5AJR8eeiv6/giphy.gif

[Locke.]

I think this was the nail in the coffin.

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Both cbb and the civilian series did poorly after this.

.............oh dear. I'd never seen or heard of this before. Someone please link me to the main thread discussing it, as I'm there are loads

[Littlegreen]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308899

^ Here Locke

[Locke.]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308899

^ Here Locke

Thanks.

I still can't believe this. We've had Danan and a TiBB member in there now, it's time for it to be cancelled and move to a new channel.

[DouglasS]

It had a good run on Ch5 at least, spanning 7 years, which is close to the 11 years on Channel 4.

13 Celebrity seasons and 7 regular seasons.

[Littlegreen]

I'm definitely open-minded, but if they do indeed call time on it I hope they at least let it run until the anniversary.

[HBIC]

After this CBB being shortened then I do think Channel 5 will announce next year's series will be the last soon. It had an incredible run for a reality show though.

[HBIC]

Youre no fan if you give up on it
It's good to be realistic, the ratings suck

[Tregard]

Gut check: ITV2 will take it after a year off the air, alongside the US/Canada show for off season

I *could* see them switching to US format, given it'll be very similar to many of ITV's other reality shows.

[BBUK-Fan]

Gut check: ITV2 will take it after a year off the air, alongside the US/Canada show for off season

I *could* see them switching to US format, given it'll be very similar to many of ITV's other reality shows.

ITV 2 will just **** it up

[Tregard]

ITV 2 will just **** it up

I'm honestly not sure there's a terrestrial channel that could do it right anymore

[Greg!]

If they do axe it (hopefully they won't) I hope they do this:

CBB21 in January as normal
BB19 in February or the spring so it doesn't clash with LI
UBB2 in late summer/ autumn with iconic BB and CBB housemates returning, lasting 40 days. (SPOILER: Nikki wins)

[BBUK-Fan]

I'm honestly not sure there's a terrestrial channel that could do it right anymore

Channel 5, right where it is.

[BBUK-Fan]

If they do axe it (hopefully they won't) I hope they do this:

CBB21 in January as normal
BB19 in February or the spring so it doesn't clash with LI
UBB2 in late summer/ autumn with iconic BB and CBB housemates returning, lasting 40 days. (SPOILER: Nikki wins)

It shouldn't be axed. Some shows don't even get a million and stay on air

[Greg!]

It's good to be realistic, the ratings suck

Tbf the ratings for this CBB haven't been awful, just average. Hopefully it will be enough to be renewed.

[Tregard]

Channel 5, right where it is.

It's a shell of it's former self, I think the writing is on the wall with that. I don't think there's anything C5 has that ITV2 wouldn't

[Tregard]

If they do axe it (hopefully they won't) I hope they do this:

CBB21 in January as normal
BB19 in February or the spring so it doesn't clash with LI
UBB2 in late summer/ autumn with iconic BB and CBB housemates returning, lasting 40 days. (SPOILER: Nikki wins)

Just beat Canada to the punch and do BB World Championship

[Greg!]

Gut check: ITV2 will take it after a year off the air, alongside the US/Canada show for off season

I *could* see them switching to US format, given it'll be very similar to many of ITV's other reality shows.

ITV wouldn't bother, the rights are really expensive and it must also cost a fortune to produce. They already have an RTV hit with love island so there would be no point in them buying it.

[LucyPinder'sLover]

Why are the going to axe the show? i dont get it.

[Mitchell]

:umm2: :umm2: :umm2: :umm2: :umm2: on WHAT planet is 16 better than 13.

13 was way too negative and literally had 2 or 3 people who were remotely likeable, I much prefer humour to constant drama, but that's just my opinion, I mean BB11 is right up there for me.

[Macie Lightfoot]

It's not realistic, it's negative. Loads of people on here that are so called fans just go and slate it all the time when I thought you were fans. If you were a fan, there would be optimism but all fans seem to do on here is criticise everything

Oh I love being told how to act and feel about a dying reality TV series that will be lucky to reach its twentieth edition!

[RichardG]

:umm2:

[T*]

oh

I think you're more of a dedicated fan if you'd rather see an obviously dying show (as it is on C5) be put out of its misery rather than have it strung out and a dead horse beaten into pure dust

[T*]

ITV 2 will just **** it up

Just like they ****ed love island up!
Oh, wait...

[Marsh.]

Just like they ****ed love island up!
Oh, wait...

A different beast.

[Marsh.]

It's not realistic, it's negative. Loads of people on here that are so called fans just go and slate it all the time when I thought you were fans. If you were a fan, there would be optimism but all fans seem to do on here is criticise everything

Yes, it is realistic. The ratings are through the floor and the show is sh*te.

[Jodie.]

This proves your not a fan

Theres a difference between negative and realistic

If people were being negative, they would be saying how they want and how it should be axed

If people were being realistic, which fans are being, they would say they don’t want it to be axed but they can’t see it being renewed; that’s not negative atall. And the OP proved how realistic they are being

[Jodie.]

Youre no fan if you give up on it

Tbf the post said they think it won’t be renewed, they didn’t say I don’t want it renewed. They also have a reason of why they think it’ll be axed.

You can’t just say someone isn’t a fan when all they are really doing is saying what they think will happen

[Marsh.]

Keeping your head in the clouds and consistently spouting "I'm a fan" even when the show has actually changed into something you no longer like is worse. That's just denial.

[y.winter]

C5 BB's farewell series will air next year, it's obvious.
Can we crown Nikki in UBB2 and let it die (for at least one year) please?

[Cal.]

I was speaking to Daniel-X the other day and we said they will probably draw out next year as the 'final year' of BB. They will get the cast they want for CBB21 because of it being the last chance for newbies to go on, they will do a final ever civilian series and then they will do another UBB (but probably named something different). The ratings will be good for all 3 series' and then it'll end with all the fanfare etc. October/November 2018 will arrive and we'll begin to hear of C5 trying to sort out a last minute deal for another 3 series' of CBB/BB....

[Morgan.]

I was speaking to Daniel-X the other day and we said they will probably draw out next year as the 'final year' of BB. They will get the cast they want for CBB21 because of it being the last chance for newbies to go on, they will do a final ever civilian series and then they will do another UBB (but probably named something different). The ratings will be good for all 3 series' and then it'll end with all the fanfare etc. October/November 2018 will arrive and we'll begin to hear of C5 trying to sort out a last minute deal for another 3 series' of CBB/BB....

Yeah I can see CBB21 (or the last newbie CBB, whenever it is) having the best line up they've had in a long time, possibly even the entire history if the show. W will 99% get those such as Sinitta who pull out last minute every year because they know there won't be another chance and I can see literally 2 or 3 reality stars doing it, but big ones who've been on love island and not the ****ty EOTB ones.

[BBUK-Fan]

Yeah I can see CBB21 (or the last newbie CBB, whenever it is) having the best line up they've had in a long time, possibly even the entire history if the show. W will 99% get those such as Sinitta who pull out last minute every year because they know there won't be another chance and I can see literally 2 or 3 reality stars doing it, but big ones who've been on love island and not the ****ty EOTB ones.

The love Islanders aren't the big ones. I'd say maybe one of the Big well known TOWIE Stars e.g. Mark Wright, Joey Essex, Pete Wicks,

[Morgan.]

The love Islanders aren't the big ones. I'd say maybe one of the Big well known TOWIE Stars e.g. Mark Wright, Joey Essex, Pete Wicks,

Average LI Ratings - 2.6 mil (from the finale)
Average TOWIE Ratings - 800,000

LI is the big one. I don't watch it anymore because I think it's a load of **** but it gets the viewers so ...

[BBUK-Fan]

Average LI Ratings - 2.6 mil (from the finale)
Average TOWIE Ratings - 800,000

LI is the big one. I don't watch it anymore because I think it's a load of **** but it gets the viewers so ...

The Love Islanders won't be remembered by Christmas. TOWIE is more well known and it's not about ratings.

[Morgan.]

The Love Islanders won't be remembered by Christmas. TOWIE is more well known and it's not about ratings.

I still remember Love Islanders from the first series in, what, 2015. I still remember contestants from the Celebrity Series in 2005/2006. Trust me, they'll be remembered.

Love Islanders are civilians

I mean you can say exactly the same about those on Ex on the Beach, and The Apprentice etc. They're all civilians.

[Macie Lightfoot]

This proves your not a fan

For acknowledging that the show is on its last legs? You need to get a grip sis, open your eyes.

[Pete.]

I don't see much point of worrying about the show's cancellation until it's been announced. We just have to have faith that Channel 5 should be rational with the fact that Big Brother and CBB is still their most ratings strong show regardless of recent dips or not.

They would stupid to get rid of January CBB anyway and also with the fact that Big Brother is Channel 5's ONLY challenger to Love Island in the summer (what are they going to replace it with really all new Channel 5 original shows bomb hard). We just have to think rationally.

[Jodie.]

Personally girls I don’t want it to be axed, everyone slates C5 but imo they are good at doing BB

HOWEVER unfortunately I think it’ll be axed bc the ratings this year have been sh*te, but then you can justify everything in Pete’s post

AND before BBUK-Fan tells me I’m not a fan by saying I think it’ll be axed, I’m probably a bigger fan than yooohoooo

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

can they not just buy the rights but rest it for a couple of years idk

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

and i honestly think the CBB overkill has caused this :nono:

why couldn't they just stick to one series in the winter the greedy fat bastards

[Tregard]

can they not just buy the rights but rest it for a couple of years idk

I can't see C5 buying the rights outright and then not using it immediately, they'd want their money back as soon as possible

[EspeonBB]

I think the civilian will definitely be axed, they really don't care about it at all

[Jodie.]

I'm not here for an argument but I could be a bigger fan of you could, it doesn't matter. The way you have explained it is what I agree with and I won't tell you you are not a fan because you are and everyone on here is and that's why everyone is on here because they love the show.

I don't want it to be axed just like everyone else but I think as a whole forum and more, optimism is always good so we have if not loads but even a little faith that the show can stay because we all love it.

I won't tell anyone they are not a fan because they are and I regret doing that before and I apologise if I have said that to anyone so we can all move on, and just hope that Big Brother continues for the long lasting future.

Then that’s fair enough, just didn’t like when you was saying members weren’t fans that’s all :) and yes no negative vibes NOOO, we just want positive vibes :hee:

[LukeB]

I think the civilian will definitely be axed, they really don't care about it at all

If Civ is axed then i hope CBB is too

I wouldn't be sad to see it go but i would prefer it to go on a break for a few years.

[BBUK-Fan]

If Civ is axed then i hope CBB is too

I wouldn't be sad to see it go but i would prefer it to go on a break for a few years.

I think a break would be good but not complete axing.

Maybe have 2 years just to sort out production, get big names, actually PLAN tasks and maybe they will save more money for them 2 years so we can have live feed! Hooray

[Jason.]

CBB still has some life left in it.

Axe the summer series and just keep CBB as a January show.

[Jodie.]

Ben Frow’s “Meet The Controller” Edinburgh thingy is on the 25th this month, the same day as CBB20 ends:shocked:Will that be where we find out about BB’s future?

[supernoodles!]

I will be sad if it goes ,to say the least.However ,they don't care about civilian bb that much is clear .As much as I ended up enjoying the last series in the end it took some work for me to get into it ,it wasn't until the final 3 weeks I felt I'd really got into it ,as in HAD to watch every night instead of recorded ,followed stories online,felt any sort of connection with particular housemates .
In my opinion the main problems, or at least for me ,are...Housemate line up-almost everyone has a reality tv background,verified instagram account,agent,background in music/tv industry /modelling.Im aware I'm a Chanelle fan but imo the auditions need to go back to the original process.
Stricter rules-I really don't like all the contact with the outside world and family members being brought into the house, even housemates bloody pets .Getting to sleep with partners overnight too ,what the hell??
Live feed-live feed is how we got to know housemates,connect with them and also was great for the press to keep up to date with stories as they unfolded.With the right housemate ,production team and live feed it almost felt like we were there with them.
I'd also like to see the series run for longer and celeb be taken away from the summer and kept to January.I don't understand why it follows just a few days after civilian bb ends ?
I'm sure all of this has probably been said before ,it's nothing new,it seems like producers are unwilling to make any changes that the viewers they do have left actually want to see!its like they simply do not research ,or simply do not listen.Instead seem to come up with crazy ideas that go against everything that made bb the phenomenon it is .If it's going to sink further into despair in terms of viewers I'd rather they have it a break but I can't see what's so difficult for them ...go back to basics

[supernoodles!]

CBB still has some life left in it.

Axe the summer series and just keep CBB as a January show.

Totally agree

[Littlegreen]

I've never loved supernoodles more.

Brilliant post. :love:

[Jodie.]

Do you have any more news Salv :)

[Aesop]

This news has been spreading around certain forums. I hate to see the show go since I've been watching since bb15. bb18 started off rocky, but i ended up enjoying it quite a bit after Isabelle got rid of Lotion. Cbb20 has been absolutely terrible. I turned it off just before the infamous trisha left. It's literally the worst season thus far. The cast is absolutely horrendous. I'm obviously a newbie to the series, but i do have a problem with the fame*****s like Ellie and Sam. I could have totally did without them. Do you guys think the show should adopt the US formula? Do you guys think that could possibly save it if it's cancelled? I just hate that the aussie version was cancelled i quite liked that one with ryan, priyah and skye. Hopefully another one doesn't bit the dust.

[Jodie.]

I don't know if I'm allowed to state names, so I won't. But someone (people may know who) has been in constant contact with producers for years. After a while of being ignored the last year, they got an email from Ben Frow.

Well, it seems like a very bad place to be over on C5HQ! Basically there is nothing left to do. Mirella (new person) has ruined the show further. The civilian series was doing as well as it always has been before she came on the scene. A lot of fingers in the ears, "fla-lalaing".

The news will all come out after CBB airs, I think they are waiting on the performance of that series to come to a final decision. But at the moment, civilian BB seems to be dead in the water.

I think right now it's all embargoed and isn't allowed to be posted. But what I know is that "right now, they are in a worse position that 4 was in mid BB10"... and IIRC that was the time C4 announced they would be axing Big Brother.


No news came out after CBB aired :(
Any more news :)