Kieron v Raph..

[Rustic bauble]

Kieron hiding the drinks...like many have done before him. Raph calling him out for it..fair enough but Kieron made him look stupid tonight. Kieron owned it but pulled him up for picking him out when others have done the same thing. Raphs only response was "well I saw you do it"...when others have done the same thing why hasn't he pulled them up for being selfish and that its for all of them.
Kieron not only owned it he tried to shake hands on it and Raph wouldn't take it.
Raph was quite happy to shake hands and move on with Joe on 2 occasions...but couldn't be the bigger person tonight.
Raph feels threatened by Kieron...and wanted to make him look bad.
Backfired IMO..Raph made himself look stupid by not being the forgiving person he is trying to make us believe he is.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Well, i don't think it was a big deal. They said they like each other :hee:

[Merry Mockmas]

Kieran was in the wrong, he tried to deflect but it didn't work on me, and I doubt it will on many people too.

And the way him and Sam followed Raph out into the Garden to basically gang up on him 2 on 1 is not the sign of someone that's confident that they've got enough valid points to take him on on his own.

[Littlegreen]

Did you notice how desperate Kieran was to make amends with Raph, almost instantaneously!

I genuinely believe they are closer friends than the edit we see.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Did you notice how desperate Kieran was to make amends with Raph, almost instantaneously!

I genuinely believe they are closer friends than the edit we see.

I like you. I like you too. How cute was that? :love:

[SteveG2688]

Kieran was in the wrong, he tried to deflect but it didn't work on me, and I doubt it will on many people too.

And the way him and Sam followed Raph out into the Garden to basically gang up on him 2 on 1 is not the sign of someone that's confident that they've got enough valid points to take him on on his own.

I agree, he fessed up but didnt like that he got caught in the first place so tried to turn the situation around on Raph and make him look bad for not calling anyone else out for it.

[sampvt]

Well, i don't think it was a big deal. They said they like each other :hee:

Special K, owned snake boy. poor raphy's is slipping.

[MrWong]

Special K, owned snake boy. poor raphy's is slipping.

That did not happen.

[SteveG2688]

Did you notice how desperate Kieran was to make amends with Raph, almost instantaneously!

I genuinely believe they are closer friends than the edit we see.

No, its because Kieran is playing a massive game of mr nice guy and doesnt want to look bad on camera. 2 housemates over this series who know him on the outside have said that hes a d*** head/not being himself (rebecca and isabelle) that paired up with the way he behaved on ex on the beach (absolutely vile) is enough evidence for me to say hes got a game plan and a blooming good one too.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Raph made me laugh when Kieran wanted to shake his hand and he just blanked him :joker:

[Littlegreen]

Kieran does seem a bit like a caged animal, you can tell he wants to start ranting and smashing things up but he has played a good game being the nice guy for 5 weeks, and won't ruin it.

Now that is good gameplaying.

[Rustic bauble]

Did you notice how desperate Kieran was to make amends with Raph, almost instantaneously!

I genuinely believe they are closer friends than the edit we see.


I don't think he was 'desperate' :shrug:..he knew it was wrong and didn't want to fall out with him over it. Kieron put out a hand of friendship and Raph threw it back in his face.
Raph was the bigger person on here with his fans for offering an olive branch to Joe...but when Kieron offers the same thing over a smaller issue..Raph snubs him.
I think we all know who looked the bigger idiot...Raph :laugh:

[Withano]

Kieran looked a right dick tonight, went way down in my estimations.. Raphs not a great arguer but credit for calling out a prick when hes being a prick.

[Rustic bauble]

Kieran does seem a bit like a caged animal, you can tell he wants to start ranting and smashing things up.

He is as cool as a cucumber...lost it once when Chanelle lost it with him and flicked his hat off. He has shown no other signs of losing it or smashing things up...:shrug:

[JerseyWins]

They were both fine. Simple argument but I did wonder if Raph was just trying to make Kieran look bad, basically thinking Kieran might have winner potential. I still always wonder how much Raph might be trying to use strategy in there, knowing he likes to think strategically and likes the strategic players. :think: I also kinda wonder if Kieran actively tries to be on everyone's good side as strategy or if he's just genuinely that nice of a person. It might've just been a genuine argument on both ends. No big deal either way.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Kieran looked a right dick tonight, went way down in my estimations.. Raphs not a great arguer but credit for calling out a prick when hes being a prick.

Kieran was trying to weasel out of it. But Raph was not having it :laugh:

[Withano]

Kieran was trying to weasel out of it. But Raph was not having it :laugh:

I agree, I agree with most of the posts on here so far. Kierans nice guy facade will never last, especially when youve just been caught out for being a prick. Sure he was the one that offered a handshake, but he was undeniably in the wrong, so it isnt comparable to the Joe/Raph handshake situation when they were both going in at each other.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I agree, I agree with most of the posts on here so far. Kierans nice guy facade will never last, especially when youve just been caught out for being a prick. Sure he was the one that offered a handshake, but he was undeniably in the wrong, so it isnt comparable to the Joe/Raph handshake situation when they were both going in at each other.

I do thin they like each other, so i doubt they will fall out. It was a minor disagreement.

[Withano]

I do thin they like each other, so i doubt they will fall out. It was a minor disagreement.

Yeah I agree with this too. Its just Kieran was doing so well for me, and then I went off him and Tom for hiding drinks, and then I went way off him for the way he reacted to being caught out. I dont think it'll change the house dynamics at all

[Rustic bauble]

I do thin they like each other, so i doubt they will fall out. It was a minor disagreement.


So why didn't Raph just put it to bed and shake his hand?

[Littlegreen]

Seems like they have probably bonded while smoking together, we'd notice it if we had live feed.

He is as cool as a cucumber...lost it once when Chanelle lost it with him and flicked his hat off. He has shown no other signs of losing it or smashing things up...:shrug:

He is cool as a cucumber. But a couple of times he has needed to blow but won't because of the facade, the other day when Tom was getting rowdy Kieran had to walk into another room because he wanted to kick off so badly. Then tonight with Raph you could hear in his voice he was angry but he simmered while offering a handshake.

I do wish Raph had taken it as a goodwill gesture, but they seemed fine and it was a silly argument anyway.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Seems like they have probably bonded while smoking together, we'd notice it if we had live feed.



He is cool as a cucumber. But a couple of times he has needed to blow but won't because of the facade, the other day when Tom was getting rowdy Kieran had to walk into another room because he wanted to kick off so badly. Then tonight with Raph you could hear in his voice he was angry but he simmered while offering a handshake.

I do wish Raph had taken it as a goodwill gesture, but they seemed fine and it was a silly argument anyway.

yeah , they seemed fine with each other. raph : but you were arguing with me. he made me laugh when didn't shake his hand :laugh:

[mr rochester]

Keiron stole the booze - Raph saw him and said it should be shared. No big deal. Just because someone else does it doesn't make it right. It was blown out of proportion.

[Rustic bauble]

Raph made me laugh when Kieran wanted to shake his hand and he just blanked him :joker:


So Vanessa...would you have found Joe funny if he had snubbed Raph and not shaken his hand??....I think not.

[rionablue]

Kieron hiding the drinks...like many have done before him. Raph calling him out for it..fair enough but Kieron made him look stupid tonight. Kieron owned it but pulled him up for picking him out when others have done the same thing. Raphs only response was "well I saw you do it"...when others have done the same thing why hasn't he pulled them up for being selfish and that its for all of them.
Kieron not only owned it he tried to shake hands on it and Raph wouldn't take it.
Raph was quite happy to shake hands and move on with Joe on 2 occasions...but couldn't be the bigger person tonight.
Raph feels threatened by Kieron...and wanted to make him look bad.
Backfired IMO..Raph made himself look stupid by not being the forgiving person he is trying to make us believe he is.

I fully agree rg. Kieran is my winner for the past few weeks. Raph singled him out even though a few of the boys hid the drink. Raph is one of the most useless housemates I have ever seen and I hope he hasn't a chance of winning.

[Shaun]

What on earth does "Kieran owned it" even mean? Like it's OK to steal from the rest of the house and keep a personal stash for your clique? lmao

[fitz2k2]

There is another side to Kieron. He wants to go off on few housemates , but he knows deep down if he did he would be evicted. He is taking pages from Jason.Past housemate.

[Merry Mockmas]

I agree, he fessed up but didnt like that he got caught in the first place so tried to turn the situation around on Raph and make him look bad for not calling anyone else out for it.

Exactly.

Kieran might have a point on what he was saying (I doubt that any of us will truly know) but on the argument itself Kieran shouldn't have hid the Alcohol so he is in the wrong.

The thing is that people need to remember aswell is that Raph doesn't hate Kieran so there's no negative agenda going on from Raph's perspective.

[Kazanne]

Kieron hiding the drinks...like many have done before him. Raph calling him out for it..fair enough but Kieron made him look stupid tonight. Kieron owned it but pulled him up for picking him out when others have done the same thing. Raphs only response was "well I saw you do it"...when others have done the same thing why hasn't he pulled them up for being selfish and that its for all of them.
Kieron not only owned it he tried to shake hands on it and Raph wouldn't take it.
Raph was quite happy to shake hands and move on with Joe on 2 occasions...but couldn't be the bigger person tonight.
Raph feels threatened by Kieron...and wanted to make him look bad.
Backfired IMO..Raph made himself look stupid by not being the forgiving person he is trying to make us believe he is.

I totally agree rusti,the only time Raph has been passionate was about one can of drink,seriously, they all hide stuff, I did not like this shifty move by Raph.

[Kazanne]

Exactly.

Kieran might have a point on what he was saying (I doubt that any of us will truly know) but on the argument itself Kieran shouldn't have hid the Alcohol so he is in the wrong.

The thing is that people need to remember aswell is that Raph doesn't hate Kieran so there's no negative agenda going on from Raph's perspective.

Really ? Raph has admitted he is a gameplayer,he has never pulled anyone else up for hiding stuff and they all do it, he knows Keiran is popular,so it's a good gameplay to make Keiran look bad,this is the only time Raph has actually been passionate about something, I wonder if he would have done the same if Chanelle had done it,? we all know the answer to that don't we ?

[Kazanne]

There is another side to Kieron. He wants to go off on few housemates , but he knows deep down if he did he would be evicted. He is taking pages from Jason.Past housemate.

rubbish.

[Cherry Christmas]

Really ? Raph has admitted he is a gameplayer,he has never pulled anyone else up for hiding stuff and they all do it, he knows Keiran is popular,so it's a good gameplay to make Keiran look bad,this is the only time Raph has actually been passionate about something, I wonder if he would have done the same if Chanelle had done it,? we all know the answer to that don't we ?

Kieran clocked him, Sukhvinder was one of the first to take extra wine and no one complained, Raph was embarrassed that Kieran turned it round on him which is why he didn't shake his hand, it was a can of spiced wine, whatever that is : umm2: it wasn't as if he hoarded 14 cans

[Kazanne]

Kieran clocked him, Sukhvinder was one of the first to take extra wine and no one complained, Raph was embarrassed that Kieran turned it round on him which is why he didn't shake his hand, it was a can of spiced wine, whatever that is : umm2: it wasn't as if he hoarded 14 cans

Yes it was petty and aimed at embarrasing Keiran, instead Raph got scalped:laugh:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Kieran tried to weasel his way out of it. He should have just admitted it and it would have ended there. But now, he tried to me Raph look bad. Doesn't matter of others have taken booze as well. Doesn't make what Kieran did right.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Exactly.

Kieran might have a point on what he was saying (I doubt that any of us will truly know) but on the argument itself Kieran shouldn't have hid the Alcohol so he is in the wrong.

The thing is that people need to remember aswell is that Raph doesn't hate Kieran so there's no negative agenda going on from Raph's perspective.
They like each other. Raph was only annoyed because Kieran tried to weasel his way out of it and wouldn't admit it.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

At the end of the show they seemed OK with each other. So I don't think they will fall out. Otherwise I will have to get in there and knock their heads together :fist::joker:

[Nicky91]

not Kieran going against Raph :joker:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

not Kieran going against Raph :joker:

Was just a lovers tiff. They said they liked each other :laugh:

[chuff me dizzy]

Kieron hiding the drinks...like many have done before him. Raph calling him out for it..fair enough but Kieron made him look stupid tonight. Kieron owned it but pulled him up for picking him out when others have done the same thing. Raphs only response was "well I saw you do it"...when others have done the same thing why hasn't he pulled them up for being selfish and that its for all of them.
Kieron not only owned it he tried to shake hands on it and Raph wouldn't take it.
Raph was quite happy to shake hands and move on with Joe on 2 occasions...but couldn't be the bigger person tonight.
Raph feels threatened by Kieron...and wanted to make him look bad.
Backfired IMO..Raph made himself look stupid by not being the forgiving person he is trying to make us believe he is.

Not a good move for Snake Boy

[chuff me dizzy]

Really ? Raph has admitted he is a gameplayer,he has never pulled anyone else up for hiding stuff and they all do it, he knows Keiran is popular,so it's a good gameplay to make Keiran look bad,this is the only time Raph has actually been passionate about something, I wonder if he would have done the same if Chanelle had done it,? we all know the answer to that don't we ?

:clap1: Tom took some too, if Raph saw Kieron do it he must have seen Tom too as they did it together,but he knew Tom is fiery and would have turned on him (coward) so went for the soft option,but ended up with egg on his face :joker:

[SoberLikeGizmo]

After watching the clip, Kerion was in the wrong, he got caught out for being a selfish twat, then tried to make out Raph was targeting him because Raph called him out on it, pathetic from Kerion. If you want drinks ask the whole house first.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

After watching the clip, Kerion was in the wrong, he got caught out for being a selfish twat, then tried to make out Raph was targeting him because Raph called him out on it, pathetic from Kerion. If you want drinks ask the whole house first.

Raph not shaking his hand made me smile. Raph was angry :laugh:

[joeysteele]

Kieran was in the wrong, he tried to deflect but it didn't work on me, and I doubt it will on many people too.

And the way him and Sam followed Raph out into the Garden to basically gang up on him 2 on 1 is not the sign of someone that's confident that they've got enough valid points to take him on on his own.



Totally right Mock.

Nothing to add to all you've said there from me.

I was really disappointed in Kieran actually.

[Littlegreen]

I fully agree rg. Kieran is my winner for the past few weeks. Raph singled him out even though a few of the boys hid the drink. Raph is one of the most useless housemates I have ever seen and I hope he hasn't a chance of winning.

Well he made Kieran "your winner" relevant for two minutes, so he can't be all bad.

I like Kieran but if Raph is being labelled a "gameplayer" then I can't imagine what hyperbole could be handed to him!

(We have made this a bigger issue than it is, they would be back on friendly terms five minutes later...)

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Well he made Kieran "your winner" relevant for two minutes, so he can't be all bad.

I like Kieran but if Raph is being labelled a "gameplayer" then I can't imagine what hyperbole could be handed to him!

(We have made this a bigger issue than it is, they would be back on friendly terms five minutes later...)
They seemed fine with each other at the end of the show. They even said they liked each other. It's a small disagreement.

[ChristmasNeeve]

I disagree, i think raph came out on top there

[Rustic bauble]

Exactly.

Kieran might have a point on what he was saying (I doubt that any of us will truly know) but on the argument itself Kieran shouldn't have hid the Alcohol so he is in the wrong.

The thing is that people need to remember aswell is that Raph doesn't hate Kieran so there's no negative agenda going on from Raph's perspective.


There is a negative agenda...he sees Kieron as competition. Kept his cool...everyone's mate and great looks for the female vote. Raph sees him as huge competition..:joker:

[Rustic bauble]

Kieran tried to weasel his way out of it. He should have just admitted it and it would have ended there. But now, he tried to me Raph look bad. Doesn't matter of others have taken booze as well. Doesn't make what Kieran did right.


Kieron didn't try to wriggle out of it...he was pissed off Raph only pulled him up for it. Kieron owned up to it...he didn't deny it or weasel out of it so you are mistaken. Raph made himself look bad...they both said they liked each other but Raph wasn't big enough to shake his hand.
Raph is trying to play Kieron now...antagonise him (because we all now he loves to set people up ...VT) because Kieron is massive competition.

[chuff me dizzy]

Kieron didn't try to wriggle out of it...he was pissed off Raph only pulled him up for it. Kieron owned up to it...he didn't deny it or weasel out of it so you are mistaken. Raph made himself look bad...they both said they liked each other but Raph wasn't big enough to shake his hand.
Raph is trying to play Kieron now...antagonise him (because we all now he loves to set people up ...VT) because Kieron is massive competition.

Spot on Rusti !! :worship:

[Littlegreen]

There is a negative agenda...he sees Kieron as competition. Kept his cool...everyone's mate and great looks for the female vote. Raph sees him as huge competition..:joker:

Can you admit that Kieran is purposely holding in his temper then?

[Jedman]

This was such a minimal event lol, nothing compared to the drama we used to see.

[Rustic bauble]

Can you admit that Kieran is purposely holding in his temper then?


No one KNOWS if Kieron is holding his temper other than Kieron...it's merely your assumption.

[SteveG2688]

No one KNOWS if Kieron is holding his temper other than Kieron...it's merely your assumption.

The fact 2 other housemates who know him on the outside have commented on him being a D**k head and not being himself paired with his behaviour and attitude on ex on the beach its pretty clear he is.

[Littlegreen]

No one KNOWS if Kieron is holding his temper other than Kieron...it's merely your assumption.

Well Kieran actually said himself, "I'm gonna have to go in another room else I'll lose it man" when Tom was getting in a state.

So no, it wasn't all my assumption.

[joeysteele]

Kieran did a silly thing against the others, he was caught out because Raph saw him.
Raph pulled him up on it,didn't go behind his back for others to.

Had Raph done this, there would be calls for him to be hung,drawn and quartered on here.
Ridiculous.

The 2 guys seem OK and over it anyway.
That's a good thing.

[TaylorCallum]

I know everyone says that Raph is a gamplayer but Kieran is the biggest gameplayer in that house. Which is fair enough if that's what's going to get him far in the show, but you can see the facade slowly slipping sometimes. I think he is trying not to crack and that argument with Raph was one of those times.

[Vicky.]

What on earth does "Kieran owned it" even mean? Like it's OK to steal from the rest of the house and keep a personal stash for your clique? lmao

Fairly sure Sukhvinder was madly applauded on here for doing just that :laugh:

I only remember as I remember how ridiculous I found that. Same with Keiran. Not sure why they nick drinks when BB appears to provide more than enough anyway...

[Rustic bauble]

Well Kieran actually said himself, "I'm gonna have to go in another room else I'll lose it man" when Tom was getting in a state.

So no, it wasn't all my assumption.


A bigger man then for taking himself away from the situation...it's called self control and the right thing to do do.
Everyone has the ability to lose it...but if you can take yourself out of the equation then that shows self control.
How many times have you seen others leave the room when things are getting heated...
He won't lose it as you have suggested...because he walks away from it.

[Merry Mockmas]

Really ? Raph has admitted he is a gameplayer,he has never pulled anyone else up for hiding stuff and they all do it, he knows Keiran is popular,so it's a good gameplay to make Keiran look bad,this is the only time Raph has actually been passionate about something, I wonder if he would have done the same if Chanelle had done it,? we all know the answer to that don't we ?

If Raph hasn't seen other people take it then why is he gonna confront them on something that isn't 100% proven.

And yes Raph would go softer on Chanelle as she's his best friend in the house, but anybody would in that case as Raph is Human, we all have a bias.

[Merry Mockmas]

Totally right Mock.

Nothing to add to all you've said there from me.

I was really disappointed in Kieran actually.

Kieran always shows odd behaviour like this sometimes though Joey, it's why I really can't take to him as a person very much.

[Merry Mockmas]

Fairly sure Sukhvinder was madly applauded on here for doing just that :laugh:

I only remember as I remember how ridiculous I found that. Same with Keiran. Not sure why they nick drinks when BB appears to provide more than enough anyway...

Difference is that Sukhvinder owned her rebellion, where as Kieran tried turning it on Raph and then got his guard dog (Sam) to follow Raph and himself outside.