Raph was to blame stupid idiot

[Wizard.]

Why didn't he save his 'friend' Isabelle? Because Sue can't win that's fookin why :fist:

[Time]

Of all the people for him to save I'd put Sue right at the bottom, especially in a line-up with Issy. :(

[Wizard.]

Of all the people for him to save I'd put Sue right at the bottom, especially in a line-up with Issy. :(

I can understand if Chanelle was there but Issy is literally his SECOND best friend in the house.

[Vicky.]

Course he isn't to blame. He picked who he thought needed the vote :shrug:

I don't think Raphs all that close to isabelle anyway actually.

[Wizard.]

Course he isn't to blame. He picked who he thought needed the vote :shrug:

I don't think Raphs all that close to isabelle anyway actually.

What makes you think that?

[LukeB]

Not really...Isabelle shares a bed with Andrew and Isabelle stuck up for him...Andrew could have pressed it.. why isn't he getting no blame?

[Morgan.]

I can see why he thought he'd pick her to be safe, seeing as she's probably most likely to go.

[Littlegreen]

Her other so-called friends Deborah, Hannah and Andrew didn't save her either. Not just Raph's fault.

[Vicky.]

What makes you think that?

Seems closer to the sisters than Isabelle. Isabelle seems to be more Chanelles friend than Raphs...

[Vicky.]

Not really...Isabelle shares a bed with Andrew and Isabelle stuck up for him...Andrew could have pressed it.. why isn't he getting no blame?

I didn't know Andrew and Charlotte were close actually..

[Wizard.]

Her other so-called friends Deborah, Hannah and Andrew didn't save her either. Not just Raph's fault.

The sister were always going to save each other obviously and Andrew is best friends with Charlotte.

[LukeB]

Her other so-called friends Deborah, Hannah and Andrew didn't save her either. Not just Raph's fault.

Well it was obvious Hannah and Deb will save each other but Andrew is also to blame, but he's not getting slack.

[Vanessa]

Raph was thinking Andrew was going to save issy.

[Wizard.]

I didn't know Andrew and Charlotte were close actually..

Mandy told her that Andrew is great and Charlotte has stated they'll be best friends outside the house. Do people watch this show? :shrug:

[Wizard.]

Raph was thinking Andrew was going to save issy.

OMFG how many times do I need to state that Andrew and Charlotte are BEST FRIENDS maybe it was shown on BOTS and that's why Raph fans blame Andrew.

[Littlegreen]

The sister were always going to save each other obviously and Andrew is best friends with Charlotte.

I can't defend his decision, I'm just glad he seems remorseful over it.

[Stefan Rivers]

Her other so-called friends Deborah, Hannah and Andrew didn't save her either. Not just Raph's fault.

why would hannah and deborah save isabelle ? over saving their own flesh and blood ? lol

[Vanessa]

Andrew is to blame. He's Issy best friend and he didn't save her.

[Wizard.]

I can't defend his decision, I'm just glad he seems remorseful over it.

He literally cries crocodile tears over everything, scrunches up his face like a baby but no tears to be found.

[Vicky.]

Mandy told her that Andrew is great and Charlotte has stated they'll be best friends outside the house. Do people watch this show? :shrug:

I dont remember Charlotte saying that

[Wizard.]

Andrew is to blame. He's Issy best friend and he didn't save her.

Vanessa I've told you Andrew is closer to Charlotte and you clearly continue to ignore me so I rest my case.

[Amy Jade]

Raph is a snake he knew threw Issy under the bus

[Littlegreen]

He literally cries crocodile tears over everything, scrunches up his face like a baby but no tears to be found.

Previously he did that I admit, but he knew he f'cked up and it showed.

[Wizard.]

I dont remember Charlotte saying that, chill the **** out and quit the attitude.

I'm chill hun but people don't seem to pay attention to this show not knowing the dynamics of the house and then argue their case of why someone did or didn't do something to someone else.

[Vicky.]

I'm chill hun but people don't seem to pay attention to this show not knowing the dynamics of the house and then argue their case of why someone did or didn't do something to someone else.

Charlotte and andrew are barely even shown together :S

I genuinely did think Andrew and Isabelle were close :laugh:

[Wizard.]

Charlotte and andrew are barely even shown together :S

I genuinely did think Andrew and Isabelle were close :laugh:

They're sitting on the bench together right now :laugh:

[LukeB]

Charlotte and andrew are barely even shown together :S

I genuinely did think Andrew and Isabelle were close :laugh:

Isabelle and Andrew had more screen time together, they also share a bed. Andrew is also close with Isabelle. He could also pressed the button.

[Wizard.]

Isabelle and Andrew had more screen time together, they also share a bed. Andrew is also close with Isabelle. He could also pressed the button.

Does it matter if Andrew could have pressed the button or not? It's about Raph's actions.

[Vanessa]

Raph is not Issy only friend. Andrew is closer to her and he didn't save her.

[joeysteele]

The person to blame for Isabelle being up is Sam, no one saved Isabelle but he could have
Instead he made no effort to even think of allowing himself up over her.
He is the only one really to blame,no one else.

[Glenn-C]

I thought he just assumed Andrew or someone would save Isabelle so he saved his vote for Sue. They are quite close iirc

[LukeB]

Does it matter if Andrew could have pressed the button or not? It's about Raph's actions.

Yes because Raph is getting all the blame when Andrew is also close to Isabelle and could have saved her. Raph thought this too and Isabelle said "Andrew didnt press for me etc"

[Wizard.]

Yes because Raph is getting all the blame when Andrew is also close to Isabelle and could have saved her. Raph thought this too and Isabelle said "Andrew didnt press me for me etc"

Yes but Andrew is closer to Charlotte than Issy but Raph is not closer to Sue than he is Isabelle that's why.

[Vanessa]

I thought he just assumed Andrew or someone would save Isabelle so he saved his vote for Sue. They are quite close iirc

This!

[Vicky.]

They're sitting on the bench together right now :laugh:
Charlotte and Joe seemed close due to how much time they spent in the smoking area. Sitting outside together does not really mean anything?! Loads of housemates who don't seem to gel very well sit out there in the smoking area..usually smoking...

Isabelle and Andrew had more screen time together, they also share a bed. Andrew is also close with Isabelle. He could also pressed the button.

This is what I meant tbh. I don't watch BOTS or YT clips so don't see anything besides the main show...I barely recall seeing Andrew and Charlotte together (though I barely recall seeing Charlotte at all tbh) and have seen a lot of Isabelle and Andrew.

I wonder who Chanelle would have picked to save, as she seems really close to both Raph and Isabelle.

What on earth was the point in Sue voting for Hannah was when obviously the sisters would vote for each other? :laugh:

Basically, I didn't think Raph was very close to Sue tbh, AND Sue has been very against Chanelle so its surprising as obviously Raph and Chan are close, so his choice was kinda odd. But not entirely behind the blame for Isabelle being up being put at Raphs feet :joker:

[Stevenaj98]

I thought it was sketchy, I mean he doesn't even seem to like Sue so it was purely strategic. He heard the tweet yesterday saying that Isabelle could win and he knows Sue can't win so he's taking a shot at Isabelle.

[Serg]

Raph is an awful person. Hope he doesn't win, fake!

[Paula D]

Yes but Andrew is closer to Charlotte than Issy but Raph is not closer to Sue than he is Isabelle that's why.
This. WTF was Raph thinking?

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[Paula D]

I thought it was sketchy, I mean he doesn't even seem to like Sue so it was purely strategic. He heard the tweet yesterday saying that Isabelle could win and he knows Sue can't win so he's taking a shot at Isabelle.
Totally agree.

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[MrWong]

Raph is not Issy only friend. Andrew is closer to her and he didn't save her.

Raph is closer to Isy than Sue.

[Vanessa]

Raph is closer to Isy than Sue.

Andrew is the closest to Issy. They share a bed and he didn't save her. Raph though he was going to save her.

[MrWong]

I thought it was sketchy, I mean he doesn't even seem to like Sue so it was purely strategic. He heard the tweet yesterday saying that Isabelle could win and he knows Sue can't win so he's taking a shot at Isabelle.

Good point. He as a game player after all.

[MrWong]

Andrew is the closest to Issy. They share a bed and he didn't save her. Raph though he was going to save her.

Andrew's bff with Charlotte and as your criteria is closeness, Raph is far closer to Isy.

[Vicky.]

If it was actually done to purposely target Isabelle as he thinks she is a threat, that makes me like him more tbh :laugh: As it stands, I think he thought Isabelle would be saved and he voted Sue as he felt sorry for her as the others were targetting her, but it was pointless in the end as his best mate made sure Sue was up anyway :D

[Vanessa]

Andrew's bff with Charlotte and as your criteria is closeness, Raph is far closer to Isy.

No, Issy and Andrew share a bed.

[rusticgal]

Why didn't he save his 'friend' Isabelle? Because Sue can't win that's fookin why :fist:


....and assuming Andrew would save her. Massive assumption when your so called friends are involved :shrug:
He is a snidey game player...no loyalty whatsoever as has been pointed out by many that see right through him.

[Wizard.]

No, Issy and Andrew share a bed.

Hannah and Deborah don't even sleep in the same bedroom so are they not sisters?

[MrWong]

No, Issy and Andrew share a bed.

Maybe I'm not explaining it right.

Out of Sue and Isy, Raph is closest to Isy.

[Vanessa]

If it was actually done to purposely target Isabelle as he thinks she is a threat, that makes me like him more tbh :laugh: As it stands, I think he thought Isabelle would be saved and he voted Sue as he felt sorry for her as the others were targetting her, but it was pointless in the end as his best mate made sure Sue was up anyway :D

Even Issy thought that Andrew was going to save him. Sue has always been nice to Raph. He knew no one else was going to save her. So he did.

[LukeB]

No, Issy and Andrew share a bed.

yeah, you wouldn't share a bed with someone you aren't that close with..idk why people think Andrew and Isabelle aren't close when they 100% are close.

[Vanessa]

Maybe I'm not explaining it right.

Out of Sue and Isy, Raph is closest to Isy.

Andrew is also close to her and didn't save her.

[TaylorCallum]

I think he should have saved her but she'll be fine anyway so it doesn't really matter.

[Vanessa]

I think he should have saved her but she'll be fine anyway so it doesn't really matter.

They all think she's safe on the outside and they're correct.

[LukeB]

I think he should have saved her but she'll be fine anyway so it doesn't really matter.

Giving up her letter and offering to go up will do her a lot of favours :love:

[rusticgal]

Mandy told her that Andrew is great and Charlotte has stated they'll be best friends outside the house. Do people watch this show? :shrug:


It's obvious how close Andrew and Charlotte are...I haven't seen any real friendship with Isabelle. If anyone was going to save Isabelle it would be Charlotte or Raph because the sisters would obviously have each other's backs. Raph knew what he was doing...yet again he proved he did not have his friends backs. Even if he thought Andrew would save her...why wouldn't he save her too. Why Sue ffs?....because she cannot win the big prize..

[rusticgal]

They all think she's safe on the outside and they're correct.

Ffs they don't know that...

[MrWong]

Andrew is also close to her and didn't save her.

So i was explaining it right.

Never mind.

[Garfie]

OMFG how many times do I need to state that Andrew and Charlotte are BEST FRIENDS maybe it was shown on BOTS and that's why Raph fans blame Andrew.

It's been clear from the highlights.

[Littlegreen]

He chose Sue because he has that need to stick up for the one being singled out. It's admirable but not at the expense of your friends.

[Mystic Mock]

Tbf Ellie and Charlotte did betrayals aswell, it wasn't just Raph.

But I do think that he should've saved Isabelle.

[Mystic Mock]

He literally cries crocodile tears over everything, scrunches up his face like a baby but no tears to be found.

You've just described Makosi.:joker:

[Vanessa]

You've just described Makosi.:joker:

Raph the new Makosi :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Raph the new Makosi :laugh:

Is he gonna think that his pregnant soon?:joker:

[Paula D]

I think Raph blew his chance of winning tonight, have to be honest. He betrayed both Chanelle and Issy. Don't know why they haven't clocked it.

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[Mystic Mock]

I think Raph blew his chance of winning tonight, have to be honest. He betrayed both Chanelle and Issy. Don't know why they haven't clocked it.

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Raph wasn't winning anyway.

The momentum is with Deborah and good luck to her.

[Littlegreen]

I think Raph blew his chance of winning tonight, have to be honest. He betrayed both Chanelle and Issy. Don't know why they haven't clocked it.

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Not really though.

He's coming for that iconic 3rd placement.

[Paula D]

Raph wasn't winning anyway.

The momentum is with Deborah and good luck to her.
I don't know, Deborahs had a quiet couple of nights.

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[Littlegreen]

I still think Ellie will win.

[supertv247]

Tbf any housemate changing one decision could've changed the whole eviction. Raph might've saved Isabelle, thus putting Sue up thus putting Sam up later. Sue could've saved Isabelle instead of Hannah (seeing as Hannah had Deborah) thus leaving Sam in his own at the end.

Basically; Sam should be up :fist:

[rusticgal]

Tbf Ellie and Charlotte did betrayals aswell, it wasn't just Raph.

But I do think that he should've saved Isabelle.


Ellie has more loyalty to Charlotte...Sam is just a pawn in her showmance game.
Ellie pushed Charlotte under the bus when she told Sam what Charlotte confided in her and it was exposed...so Charlotte won't forget that and Charlotte is close with Andrew..and she probably thought no one else would save him..and she was right.

[Mystic Mock]

I don't know, Deborahs had a quiet couple of nights.

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Deborah is just all around very likable though, and she is quite normal and funny, even I find her rootable and I normally just root for snakes and argumentative types.

The only thing that could cost Deborah is if she enters a Showmance with Kieran, otherwise she'll win I think, and I really hope that she does beat Elleh and Kieran.

[rusticgal]

Giving up her letter and offering to go up will do her a lot of favours :love:

Of course it will...and I think she is genuine. I really think she wants to win by being popular rather than game playing. Fair play to her...my opinion on her has changed. I still think she has been hypocritical and thrown a couple of low blows..and I don't like the fact that she has been Chanelles lapdog. Chanelle needs to go and let Isabelle flourish...because on her own she seems a better person.

[rusticgal]

Deborah is just all around very likable though, and she is quite normal and funny, even I find her rootable and I normally just root for snakes and argumentative types.

The only thing that could cost Deborah is if she enters a Showmance with Kieran, otherwise she'll win I think, and I really hope that she does beat Elleh and Kieran.


Neither Deborah or Kieron want a showmance...although I sense a genuine respect and liking for each other..but neither want to go down that showmance route ( thank god).
I like Deborah...I would be happy if she won.

[Kazanne]

yeah, you wouldn't share a bed with someone you aren't that close with..idk why people think Andrew and Isabelle aren't close when they 100% are close.

They aren't as close as Raph is to Isabellemcan't you even admit he messed up:shrug:

[rusticgal]

I still think Ellie will win.


I don't...she would have been a better contender if she hadn't got involved with Sam..

[Northern Monkey]

He chose Sue because he has that need to stick up for the one being singled out. It's admirable but not at the expense of your friends.

No i reckon Raph sees Isabelle as a big threat to his win

[Vanessa]

Sam is the one to blame here. Also Andrew for not saving his best mate.

[azi]

Raph made no sense. Poor Issy.