View Full Version : Andrew and Charlotte bitching about Raph behind his back
Santa's NaughtiNess
15-07-2017, 09:07 PM
Well well well. I bet they won't tell any of this to his face. :bored:
they cant stand that raph is better than them
Cherry Christmas
15-07-2017, 09:08 PM
Andrew never said a word, and Charlotte was making a valid observation :hehe:
Santa's NaughtiNess
15-07-2017, 09:10 PM
Andrew never said a word, and Charlotte was making a valid observation :hehe:
He came across really bitchy tonight. And what the hell has he got against Hannah all of a sudden :shocked:
storybrooke
15-07-2017, 09:10 PM
I was surprised by this because Andrew used to be obsessed with him and Charlotte/Raph have more conversations than the highlights show portrays.
I wouldn't be surprised if the two of them are the next ones out of the house
Underscore
15-07-2017, 09:10 PM
Got right on my nerves legit feel sorry for Raphael
Captain.Remy
15-07-2017, 09:11 PM
Andrew should shave and take a shower to look clean before even thinking of bitching about others.
So I'm not interested in it.
Santa's NaughtiNess
15-07-2017, 09:12 PM
Got right on my nerves legit feel sorry for Raphael
I don't see why two people who are different can't be friends. And Raph is a student, not a consultant :facepalm:
Santa's NaughtiNess
15-07-2017, 09:13 PM
All this happened after Raph was so nice about Andrew and Charlotte in the diary room :nono:
Cherry Christmas
15-07-2017, 09:13 PM
He came across really bitchy tonight. And what the hell has he got against Hannah all of a sudden :shocked:
She was being a bit annoying about Sue going, I mean you contributed to her exit so stop crying fgs
Kazanne
15-07-2017, 09:14 PM
Well well well. I bet they won't tell any of this to his face. :bored:
Charlotte wasn't bitching about him ,infact she was being generous saying he was intelligent and a doctor in London or something like that, ,and she didn't think that outside of the house him and chanelle would have been friends,which they probably wouldn't have. she wasn't bitching,she said nothing nasty,dont know about Andrew I cant understand him sometimes.
Jodie.
15-07-2017, 09:14 PM
Andrew should be ejected from Thorn Cottage:nono:
Stefan Rivers
15-07-2017, 09:15 PM
it's pretty obvious that andrew came into the house to try to make close friends with chanelle/raph but now that he's seen they are too close knitted, he latched on to charlotte, everything hannah called someone else into the room, Andrew was VERY BOTHERED, notice andrew only spoke bad about hannah infront of Charlotte/Izzy, he would never do that infront of Chanelle/Raph
Cherry Christmas
15-07-2017, 09:17 PM
Charlotte wasn't bitching about him ,infact she was being generous saying he was intelligent and a doctor in London or something like that, ,and she didn't think that outside of the house him and chanelle would have been friends,which they probably wouldn't have. she wasn't bitching,she said nothing nasty,dont know about Andrew I cant understand him sometimes.
Exactly it was an observation, nothing more
JTM45
15-07-2017, 09:17 PM
Perhaps we're finding out why they never bothered showing Charlotte before.
I know people who i consider extremely good friends that are from all kinds of backgrounds but Charlotte seemed to be saying (while trying to deny) that because they weren't from what she was stereotyping as ''different class levels'' that they would never remain friends outside the house.
She comes across as a very shallow and superficial girl.
I think this was just an attempt at picking holes in Raph's character. Maybe she's got some misguided notion that she can come through at the end as 'the real girl' and win it but she SADLY mistaken. 'Boring girl' who finishes in 6th is the very best she could possibly hope for i think.
Santa's NaughtiNess
15-07-2017, 09:18 PM
Perhaps we're finding out why they never bothered showing Charlotte before.
I know people who i consider extremely good friends that are from all kinds of backgrounds but Charlotte seemed to be saying (while trying to deny) that because they weren't from what she was stereotyping as ''different class levels'' that they would never remain friends outside the house.
She comes across as a very shallow and superficial girl.
I think this was just an attempt at picking holes in Raph's character. Maybe she's got some misguided notion that she can come through at the end as 'the real girl' and win it but she SADLY mistaken. 'Boring girl' who finishes in 6th is the very best she could possibly hope for i think.
People who are different can still be friends. I don't see why not.
Adamw92
15-07-2017, 09:19 PM
Perhaps we're finding out why they never bothered showing Charlotte before.
I know people who i consider extremely good friends that are from all kinds of backgrounds but Charlotte seemed to be saying (while trying to deny) that because they weren't from what she was stereotyping as ''different class levels'' that they would never remain friends outside the house.
She comes across as a very shallow and superficial girl.
I think this was just an attempt at picking holes in Raph's character. Maybe she's got some misguided notion that she can come through at the end as 'the real girl' and win it but she SADLY mistaken. 'Boring girl' who finishes in 6th is the very best she could possibly hope for i think.
Brilliant post :clap2:
JTM45
15-07-2017, 09:20 PM
People who are different can still be friends. I don't see why not.
Absolutely!
You learn far more from mixing with a broad variety of people than just sticking with similar people to yourself.
Glenn-C
15-07-2017, 09:20 PM
Andrew should be ejected from Thorn Cottage:nono:
Make him sleep in the woods? :hehe:
Cherry Christmas
15-07-2017, 09:25 PM
Absolutely!
You learn far more from mixing with a broad variety of people than just sticking with similar people to yourself.
Yeah that's fine on paper, but in reality it doesn't always work out
SteveG2688
15-07-2017, 09:27 PM
He wasnt very happy they excluded him from that moment they had in the bedroom so he had the arse with them all.
joeysteele
15-07-2017, 09:27 PM
I don't see why two people who are different can't be friends. And Raph is a student, not a consultant :facepalm:
I myself have friends from all backgrounds,what Charlotte was saying was ridiculous.
There's being a snob that is nothing wrong at all as to being so but being a judgemental snob, as she was being in the highlights tonight,was very off-putting.
If this is her new moves, then if up I could easily be tempted to vote her out.
I've been indifferent to her but more liked than disliked her up to now.
That may now change.
Santa's NaughtiNess
15-07-2017, 09:28 PM
Watch these two both nominate Hannah and Raph next.
Christmas Dynasnow
15-07-2017, 09:34 PM
Drag the whimp
Santa's NaughtiNess
15-07-2017, 09:38 PM
Didn't she tell Chanelle off for talking behind her back? But it's OK if she does it? :suspect:
Merry Mockmas
15-07-2017, 09:46 PM
Well well well. I bet they won't tell any of this to his face. :bored:
Tbf it's apart of the game.
I do love Raph's strategy earlier on in the episode where he goes into the Diary Room talking about how Andrew is always honest to people's face, and then humiliated him at the end of the episode by Andrew going completely silent once Raph was out in the Garden.
BB should also punish Charlotte and Andrew for talking nominations, but I bet they won't.
Santa's NaughtiNess
15-07-2017, 09:48 PM
Tbf it's apart of the game.
I do love Raph's strategy earlier on in the episode where he goes into the Diary Room talking about how Andrew is always honest to people's face, and then humiliated him at the end of the episode by Andrew going completely silent once Raph was out in the Garden.
BB should also punish Charlotte and Andrew for talking nominations, but I bet they won't.
They really need to play this conversation to rye the house :devil:
Merry Mockmas
15-07-2017, 09:48 PM
She was being a bit annoying about Sue going, I mean you contributed to her exit so stop crying fgs
How dare Hannah be upset that one of her other friends in the house got evicted.:shocked:
Merry Mockmas
15-07-2017, 09:55 PM
Drag the whimp
Raph stopped them talking tonight don't worry.
Santa's NaughtiNess
15-07-2017, 09:58 PM
Raph stopped them talking tonight don't worry.
They daren't say it to his face :hehe:
Paula D
15-07-2017, 10:07 PM
Tbf Hannah can be a grumpy cow but Andrew as usual overreacted.
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Rustic bauble
15-07-2017, 10:07 PM
Well well well. I bet they won't tell any of this to his face. :bored:
So the four amigos..prompted by Hannah take themselves off into the bedroom to declare their allegiance...Hannah calling in Chanelle first then Raph in front of others making the others feel 'left out' of the cool gang. What a bunch of hypocrites.
Good job Tom didn't do that with Charlotte, Kieron and Ellie cos this forum would be in meltdown.
Kazanne
15-07-2017, 10:09 PM
So the four amigos..prompted by Hannah take themselves off into the bedroom to declare their allegiance...Hannah calling in Chanelle first then Raph in front of others making the others feel 'left out' of the cool gang. What a bunch of hypocrites.
Good job Tom didn't do that with Charlotte, Kieron and Ellie cos this forum would be in meltdown.
Yep talk about tunnel vision with some people rusti.:wavey:
Jordan.
15-07-2017, 10:10 PM
Perhaps we're finding out why they never bothered showing Charlotte before.
I know people who i consider extremely good friends that are from all kinds of backgrounds but Charlotte seemed to be saying (while trying to deny) that because they weren't from what she was stereotyping as ''different class levels'' that they would never remain friends outside the house.
She comes across as a very shallow and superficial girl.
I think this was just an attempt at picking holes in Raph's character. Maybe she's got some misguided notion that she can come through at the end as 'the real girl' and win it but she SADLY mistaken. 'Boring girl' who finishes in 6th is the very best she could possibly hope for i think.
Except she had a point because Chanelle is pretty much everything Raph said he dislikes/avoids in his VT
Littlegreen
15-07-2017, 10:10 PM
I think it's hilarious just because SHE couldn't see herself being friends with Chanelle outside the house (because she is so high class and important????) that Raph wouldn't either... purely because of his job?!
I liked Charlotte but the snobbery is clear as day and actually answers quite a lot about her behaviour.
(Andrew was just jealous that he wasn't part of the four in the bedroom)
Merry Mockmas
15-07-2017, 10:11 PM
So the four amigos..prompted by Hannah take themselves off into the bedroom to declare their allegiance...Hannah calling in Chanelle first then Raph in front of others making the others feel 'left out' of the cool gang. What a bunch of hypocrites.
Good job Tom didn't do that with Charlotte, Kieron and Ellie cos this forum would be in meltdown.
So you don't see why Charlotte's snobby Tory like attitude towards Chanelle wouldn't be an issue for alot of not just this Forum but the viewers in general tonight?
And Andrew tbf had more of a point to be pissed off, but he is the kinda person that the general public will never side with because he blows it out of proportion like Rebecca did during Smilegate.
Littlegreen
15-07-2017, 10:12 PM
So the four amigos..prompted by Hannah take themselves off into the bedroom to declare their allegiance...Hannah calling in Chanelle first then Raph in front of others making the others feel 'left out' of the cool gang. What a bunch of hypocrites.
Good job Tom didn't do that with Charlotte, Kieron and Ellie cos this forum would be in meltdown.
Like I said in the other thread, it wasn't a group meeting or anything new. Those four have had each others back since day 1 and came together in solace during quite an emotional evening.
Cherry Christmas
15-07-2017, 10:13 PM
So the four amigos..prompted by Hannah take themselves off into the bedroom to declare their allegiance...Hannah calling in Chanelle first then Raph in front of others making the others feel 'left out' of the cool gang. What a bunch of hypocrites.
Good job Tom didn't do that with Charlotte, Kieron and Ellie cos this forum would be in meltdown.
Yaaaaaas Rusti :clap2:
Cherry Christmas
15-07-2017, 10:14 PM
Like I said in the other thread, it wasn't a group meeting or anything new. Those four have had each others back since day 1 and came together in solace during quite an emotional evening.
So have Tom, Kieran, Charlotte and Ellie
Solace? For what Hanna and Debs could have split their vote in the interest of fairness but they didn't, Debs could have made a winning move by standing behind Sue
Rustic bauble
15-07-2017, 10:15 PM
So the four amigos..prompted by Hannah take themselves off into the bedroom to declare their allegiance...Hannah calling in Chanelle first then Raph in front of others making the others feel 'left out' of the cool gang. What a bunch of hypocrites.
Good job Tom didn't do that with Charlotte, Kieron and Ellie cos this forum would be in meltdown.
He came across really bitchy tonight. And what the hell has he got against Hannah all of a sudden :shocked:
Hannah called Chanelle into the bedroom with Deborah...then came out and called Raph in...Andrew, Isabelle and Sam obviously felt discluded and Andrew didn't like it..hence his reaction.
Cherry Christmas
15-07-2017, 10:18 PM
Hannah called Chanelle into the bedroom with Deborah...then came out and called Raph in...Andrew, Isabelle and Sam obviously felt discluded and Andrew didn't like it..hence his reaction.
that makes sense of his strop
Rustic bauble
15-07-2017, 10:18 PM
Like I said in the other thread, it wasn't a group meeting or anything new. g.
A group meeting it was...we don't see Tom Kieron Ellie and Charlotte behaving like that do we?....and if we did they would be slaughtered for it.
Littlegreen
15-07-2017, 10:21 PM
A group meeting it was...we don't see Tom Kieron Ellie and Charlotte behaving like that do we?....and if we did they would be slaughtered for it.
I've never heard of a group meeting that consisted of the members just reminding each other of where they started and hugging?
I'd understand if they were slagging people off, but they weren't.
Rustic bauble
15-07-2017, 10:22 PM
that makes sense of his strop
It was a strop...but it's an understandable one. You could see on his face he didn't like the gang mentality and it was Hannah who led it.
That's exactly why he did what he did...
If the other four of the original clique did that under the noses of Chanelle etc...don't tell me Chanelle wouldn't have had some sly digs.
However...it's ok for the Outsiders to do it.
joeysteele
15-07-2017, 10:25 PM
So you don't see why Charlotte's snobby Tory like attitude towards Chanelle wouldn't be an issue for alot of not just this Forum but the viewers in general tonight?
And Andrew tbf had more of a point to be pissed off, but he is the kinda person that the general public will never side with because he blows it out of proportion like Rebecca did during Smilegate.
All good points Mock.
I also think Andrew was a little uncomfortable as to what Charlotte was saying a lot of the time.
As for tunnel vision that goes both ways.
Anything against Raph is fine,any defence is just having tunnel vision.
I'm one happy to have tunnel vision then for sure.
Rustic bauble
15-07-2017, 10:27 PM
I've never heard of a group meeting that consisted of the members just reminding each other of where they started and hugging?
I'd understand if they were slagging people off, but they weren't.
No they were not slagging people off...BUT it was gang mentality..the very thing they based their division on in the first place. They are actually far worse than the original clique. Since Lotan left there has been no divide...but they are intent on keeping themselves as a little pack...hypocrites.
Parallel
15-07-2017, 10:29 PM
I think Charlotte sees Raph as competition. She's already said she thinks they have similar traits. I don't think she said anything that bad, and at least she explained her opinions - more than Andrew on Hannah.
SarenaW
15-07-2017, 10:30 PM
Charlotte wasn't bitching about him ,infact she was being generous saying he was intelligent and a doctor in London or something like that, ,and she didn't think that outside of the house him and chanelle would have been friends,which they probably wouldn't have. she wasn't bitching,she said nothing nasty,dont know about Andrew I cant understand him sometimes.
I recall her saying that if Ralph (and Chanelle) were really like how they portrayed themselves to be then they wouldn't be friends. Essentially calling them fake or "too faced".
SarenaW
15-07-2017, 10:31 PM
No they were not slagging people off...BUT it was gang mentality..the very thing they based their division on in the first place. They are actually far worse than the original clique. Since Lotan left there has been no divide...but they are intent on keeping themselves as a little pack...hypocrites. There is still an obvious divide, they just aren't fighting anymore.
Merry Mockmas
15-07-2017, 10:34 PM
All good points Mock.
I also think Andrew was a little uncomfortable as to what Charlotte was saying a lot of the time.
As for tunnel vision that goes both ways.
Anything against Raph is fine,any defence is just having tunnel vision.
I'm one happy to have tunnel vision then for sure.
For me tonight it's less about Raph, and more about what Charlotte said about Chanelle. She clearly doesn't like Chanelle because she's not as posh as she (Charlotte) is. It actually explains Charlotte's overreaction to Chanelle's one off the cuff comment that wasn't even that bad.
And with Andrew he was silly, but I could kind of understand why he was upset about what Hannah did tonight.
SarenaW
15-07-2017, 10:35 PM
They really need to play this conversation to rye the house :devil:
AGREE! Punish them by playing this conversation... we should bombard BBUK twitter. :hehe:
camertone
15-07-2017, 10:40 PM
Andrew never said a word, and Charlotte was making a valid observation :hehe:
charlotte is spot on though.
Both are awful :yuk: I hope bb exposes them!
Tinsel Toes
16-07-2017, 06:52 AM
Both are awful :yuk: I hope bb exposes them!
Highly likely ! BB relishes in dropping HM's in it by playing so say 'private' convo's to the whole house , its to be expected.
mizzy25
16-07-2017, 07:38 AM
I'd say charlotte was bitching about Chanelle more than Raph. she was implying that Raph was superior to Chanelle therefore should not be friends. Andrew wasn't really saying much.
Dominic
16-07-2017, 07:39 AM
If they were bitching about someone else who isnt raph no one here would have a problem lol
Nicky91
16-07-2017, 07:43 AM
Charlotte was so right about Raph, he is too classy for Chanelle
Santa's NaughtiNess
16-07-2017, 10:02 AM
If they were bitching about someone else who isnt raph no one here would have a problem lol
It would still be wrong, because it's talk behind someone's back.
Littlegreen
16-07-2017, 10:07 AM
If they were bitching about someone else who isnt raph no one here would have a problem lol
My issue isn't that she was bitching about Raph, it was what she was implying that got my back up.
Kazanne
16-07-2017, 10:11 AM
I'd say charlotte was bitching about Chanelle more than Raph. she was implying that Raph was superior to Chanelle therefore should not be friends. Andrew wasn't really saying much.
Yes agree to a point mizzy,but she didn't say they shouldn't be friends,she said she didn't think they would be friends.
chuff me dizzy
16-07-2017, 10:12 AM
Charlotte has him bang to rights !! she's not stupid that girl
Kazanne
16-07-2017, 10:13 AM
My issue isn't that she was bitching about Raph, it was what she was implying that got my back up.
she was implying that Raph has a higher social standing than Chanelle and if they hadn't been in the house she didn't think they would have been friends,now what is wrong with that ? she is probably right
Kazanne
16-07-2017, 10:14 AM
It would still be wrong, because it's talk behind someone's back.
We all talk about people behind their backs besides I am pretty sure Charlotte would have no qualms about telling Raph the same afterall she said nothing nasty about him at all.
chuff me dizzy
16-07-2017, 10:17 AM
We all talk about people behind their backs besides I am pretty sure Charlotte would have no qualms about telling Raph the same afterall she said nothing nasty about him at all.
No one has spoken behind peoples backs more than Raph !!
Littlegreen
16-07-2017, 10:21 AM
she was implying that Raph has a higher social standing than Chanelle and if they hadn't been in the house she didn't think they would have been friends,now what is wrong with that ? she is probably right
Then why the hell is she friends with Ellie?
BB was always about opposing personalities in the outside, integrating in a house. Odd relationships have formed in the past in the house and this is just another of them.
She shouldn't be so judgmental.
Rustic bauble
16-07-2017, 10:32 AM
We all talk about people behind their backs besides I am pretty sure Charlotte would have no qualms about telling Raph the same afterall she said nothing nasty about him at all.
Chanelle is everything Raph dislikes in people...she pees in the pool...she constantly talks about sex...and she loud and attention seeking. They won't be meeting up after this show apart from the usual after show stuff.
They have become allies purely because of Lotan...he was too laddish for Raph and Chanelle steered clear because he grabbed more airtime than she did...hence the Outsiders were formed.
Charlotte was spot on...she wasn't bitching she was making a sensible observation.
MrWong
16-07-2017, 10:33 AM
We all talk about people behind their backs besides I am pretty sure Charlotte would have no qualms about telling Raph the same afterall she said nothing nasty about him at all.
Not Charlotte. She specifically told Chanelle that she does not do that. :hehe:
Rustic bauble
16-07-2017, 10:36 AM
Not Charlotte. She specifically told Chanelle that she does not do that. :hehe:
They all do it....it's human nature. She wasn't bitching she was discussing a relationship between two people.
Chanelle says she says things to people's faces too...but she clearly doesn't.
They all discuss each other ALL OF THEM...
joeysteele
16-07-2017, 10:38 AM
Then why the hell is she friends with Ellie?
BB was always about opposing personalities in the outside, integrating in a house. Odd relationships have formed in the past in the house and this is just another of them.
She shouldn't be so judgmental.
Brilliant point.
It is the assumption that out of the house these would not be friends.
Who is she to infer Raph being successful or intelligent or higher status would not be friends with someone like Chanelle.
What rule other than hers, says intelligent people should only be friends with intelligent people.
Or.successful with only successful.
Had Raph said this to anyone in the house, the outcry against him would be likely enormous.
It's the inference that she states someone because of intelligence, success or upbringing should not be usually friends with those she sees as lesser,which is arrogantly offensive.
Maybe some like that thinking,I for sure don't,never ever have and hopefully never will.
MrWong
16-07-2017, 10:42 AM
They all do it....it's human nature. She wasn't bitching she was discussing a relationship between two people.
Chanelle says she says things to people's faces too...but she clearly doesn't.
They all discuss each other ALL OF THEM...
They don't lecture others about doing it while doing it themselves though do they? Charlotte does.
Negatively discussing their friendship = Bitching.
Nicky91
16-07-2017, 10:43 AM
Brilliant point.
It is the assumption that out of the house these would not be friends.
Who is she to infer Raph being successful or intelligent or higher status would not be friends with someone like Chanelle.
What rule other than hers, says intelligent people should only be friends with intelligent people.
Or.successful with only successful.
Had Raph said this to anyone in the house, the outcry against him would be likely enormous.
It's the inference that she states someone because of intelligence, success or upbringing should not be usually friends with those she sees as lesser,which is arrogantly offensive.
Maybe some like that thinking,I for sure don't,never ever have and hopefully never will.
:rolleyes: she never said anything that nasty or mean about Raph
Charlotte maybe sees it like that, but maybe she doesn't know any better ;)
it's only positive she thinks of Raph as a intelligent classy person, and maybe he is genuine in his friendship but i worry if Chanelle is that genuine in that friendship, maybe she is using Raph to get further in the competition
and Raph is too good to see him get hurt :(
Robodog
16-07-2017, 11:31 AM
Charlotte wasn't bitching about him ,infact she was being generous saying he was intelligent and a doctor in London or something like that, ,and she didn't think that outside of the house him and chanelle would have been friends,which they probably wouldn't have. she wasn't bitching,she said nothing nasty,dont know about Andrew I cant understand him sometimes.
Spot on.
I have thought exactly that from the start: Chanelle and Raph's 'friendship' is not natural, it's purely tactical. They use each other.
All Charlotte did was point out the obvious!
Raph uses Chanelle for two reasons:
1. She is the alpha of the house.
2. She is a thorn cottage 'outsider'. BB expert Raph knows the outside group tend to do better, so he was ALWAYS going to put himself with the outsiders - WHOEVER they were.
Chanelle uses Raph for two reasons:
1. He strokes her massive ego, empowering her.
2. He is very good at extracting the gossip from the house, which he relays to her, like a drone bee bringing pollen back to the queen.
Charlotte is right: In real life they would not be friends. Even on a different BB with different people - Chanelle could easily be in the 'cool kids' crowd. In which case Raph would never be friends with her then.
I wonder if Chanelle had slept in Rose Cottage from the start - would her and Raph even be friends at all! I think it's all about convenience and Raph and her using each other. They are both manipulative in subtle, sly ways. As 'friends' they are TOTALLY mismatched.
For example: One thing we all know Raph dislikes is crude, derogatory language. He complained to Thorn Cottage when Lotan used the term 'bitch' in a joke for example. Yet Chanelle is the QUEEN of crude, derogatory language! More than anyone in there! Raph IGNORES in Chanelle ALL the traits he dislikes in others. This HAS to be tactical.
I can't stop thinking of Raph's BOTS audition where he said he uses his friendly smile to manipulate people and likes nothing more than 'crushing the souls of the popular people'.
Woah dude!
Kazanne
16-07-2017, 11:35 AM
Spot on.
I have thought exactly that from the start: Chanelle and Raph's 'friendship' is not natural, it's purely tactical. They use each other.
All Charlotte did was point out the obvious!
Raph uses Chanelle for two reasons:
1. She is the alpha of the house.
2. She is a thorn cottage 'outsider'. BB expert Raph knows the outside group tend to do better, so he was ALWAYS going to put himself with the outsiders - WHOEVER they were.
Chanelle uses Raph for two reasons:
1. He strokes her massive ego, empowering her.
2. He is very good at extracting the gossip from the house, which he relays to her, like a drone bee bringing pollen back to the queen.
Charlotte is right: In real life they would not be friends. Even on a different BB with different people - Chanelle could easily be in the 'cool kids' crowd. In which case Raph would never be friends with her then.
I wonder if Chanelle had slept in Rose Cottage from the start - would her and Raph even be friends at all! I think it's all about convenience and Raph and her using each other. They are both manipulative in subtle, sly ways. As 'friends' they are TOTALLY mismatched.
For example: One thing we all know Raph dislikes is crude, derogatory language. He complained to Thorn Cottage when Lotan used the term 'bitch' in a joke for example. Yet Chanelle is the QUEEN of crude, derogatory language! More than anyone in there! Raph IGNORES in Chanelle ALL the traits he dislikes in others. This HAS to be tactical.
I can't stop thinking of Raph's BOTS audition where he said he uses his friendly smile to manipulate people and likes nothing more than 'crushing the souls of the popular people'.
Woah dude!
Spot on Robo :wavey:
Littlegreen
16-07-2017, 11:39 AM
Spot on.
I have thought exactly that from the start: Chanelle and Raph's 'friendship' is not natural, it's purely tactical. They use each other.
All Charlotte did was point out the obvious!
Raph uses Chanelle for two reasons:
1. She is the alpha of the house.
2. She is a thorn cottage 'outsider'. BB expert Raph knows the outside group tend to do better, so he was ALWAYS going to put himself with the outsiders - WHOEVER they were.
Chanelle uses Raph for two reasons:
1. He strokes her massive ego, empowering her.
2. He is very good at extracting the gossip from the house, which he relays to her, like a drone bee bringing pollen back to the queen.
Charlotte is right: In real life they would not be friends. Even on a different BB with different people - Chanelle could easily be in the 'cool kids' crowd. In which case Raph would never be friends with her then.
I wonder if Chanelle had slept in Rose Cottage from the start - would her and Raph even be friends at all! I think it's all about convenience and Raph and her using each other. They are both manipulative in subtle, sly ways. As 'friends' they are TOTALLY mismatched.
For example: One thing we all know Raph dislikes is crude, derogatory language. He complained to Thorn Cottage when Lotan used the term 'bitch' in a joke for example. Yet Chanelle is the QUEEN of crude, derogatory language! More than anyone in there! Raph IGNORES in Chanelle ALL the traits he dislikes in others. This HAS to be tactical.
I can't stop thinking of Raph's BOTS audition where he said he uses his friendly smile to manipulate people and likes nothing more than 'crushing the souls of the popular people'.
Woah dude!
...or they have literally bonded because they sleep in the same bed and in BB these type of things happen?
sungrass
16-07-2017, 11:57 AM
He came across really bitchy tonight. And what the hell has he got against Hannah all of a sudden :shocked:
everything he said about Hannah was actually him!! Hes the diva!!
Robodog
16-07-2017, 12:15 PM
Spot on Robo :wavey:
Cheers Kaz, always a pleasure :spin2:
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