View Full Version : 8PM Sunday,55mins,No swearing Big Brother Discussion 23/7/17
arista
23-07-2017, 01:33 PM
We are on our final week
I am angry it is 8PM - 8:55PM
Non Adult Cut tonight.
Epic.
23-07-2017, 01:43 PM
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
Fetch The Bolt Cutters
23-07-2017, 02:03 PM
a heaving mess
arista
23-07-2017, 02:03 PM
Due a Whitney/Bobby Drama - Docu that has to start at 9PM- 10:50PM then
Whitney Houston Concert Hits
tonight
VIACOM -CH5HD control
I wish MTVHD was moved close to the main
channels - Whitney would be perfect on there
Only SkyHD
has moved all HD channels closer
but only for the big spenders etc
I have a mate with SkyQ
but not with all the channels
so his SkyAtlanticHD is miles away
271 or something.
Sky hopes he will get paid more
so he can Upgrade
at least he is ready - it can be switched on
the phone
(SkyQ basic does not have non HD SkyAtlantic)
Mine is 108
Close to Ch5HD 105
and BBC2HD 102
which is a great help in a busy day
arista
23-07-2017, 02:04 PM
a heaving mess
I demand Rude words
I must have my RUDE words
Scott
I can not take this
Glenn-C
23-07-2017, 02:13 PM
Chanelle's eviction was an inside job so they wouldn't have to do as much bleeps?
Littlegreen
23-07-2017, 02:13 PM
Reminds me of that Bo Selecta clip.
"Big Brother house this is Davina please don't say ****** or bugger"
Fetch The Bolt Cutters
23-07-2017, 02:24 PM
I demand Rude words
I must have my RUDE words
Scott
I can not take this
:joker:
arista
23-07-2017, 02:29 PM
Chanelle's eviction was an inside job so they wouldn't have to do as much bleeps?
That was last night.
Sunday Now
mess they played the same whitney and bobby doc last year or the year before, I remember watching it :skull:
arista
23-07-2017, 02:31 PM
I have it through DTSHD 5.1
but not tonight
as its a childs version or something like that
arista
23-07-2017, 02:33 PM
mess they played the same whitney and bobby doc last year or the year before, I remember watching it :skull:
Viacom own the rights
so I assume more will watch the Drama Docu again.
VIACOM - Ch5HD a Powerful channel.
Jordan.
23-07-2017, 02:33 PM
Arista I hope you're sending a formal complaint about this
https://i.imgur.com/LbTq1ZG.jpg
arista
23-07-2017, 02:36 PM
"Arista I hope you're sending a formal complaint about this"
Its nothing to do with Endemol-Shine
sadly.
Viacom-MTVHD- Ch5HD are above that.
SarenaW
23-07-2017, 03:50 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/113Av4sS0mw1JS/giphy.gif
Northern Monkey
23-07-2017, 04:03 PM
Reminds me of that Bo Selecta clip.
"Big Brother house this is Davina please don't say ****** or bugger"
I loved that show.
arista
23-07-2017, 05:11 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/113Av4sS0mw1JS/giphy.gif
Final week
at least on Friday
the Final is starting Live 9PM
waterhog
23-07-2017, 05:15 PM
arista I am going to write you a rude poem - full of F's and C's and S's
you better not say - waterhog that was s??? :joker:
arista
23-07-2017, 06:03 PM
On in just under one hour.
I changed the thread title
to make this Tonight Discussion
8PM START
arista
23-07-2017, 06:07 PM
https://uploadir.com/u/m0iw1gom
Not on Tonight's
Child friendly show
storybrooke
23-07-2017, 06:07 PM
Thanks for the notice!
arista
23-07-2017, 06:10 PM
Thanks for the notice!
Thats why I did a daytime info thread
then 7PM changed title.
Its so easy in our busy hectic lives to miss this on TV
and if you only have virginmedia catch up its a 2 day wait
for ch5 big brother.
reece(:
23-07-2017, 06:22 PM
:unsure:
Santa's NaughtiNess
23-07-2017, 06:23 PM
Can't wait for Raph twerking! It was brilliant :laugh3:
arista
23-07-2017, 06:30 PM
this schedule is bad
Mon and Tues 10PM
Weds and Thus 10:30PM
Friday Final 9PM- 10:45PM
Jordan.
23-07-2017, 06:38 PM
Can't wait for Raph twerking! It was brilliant :laugh3:
Cut from the edit for not being PG enough?
Santa's NaughtiNess
23-07-2017, 06:38 PM
Cut from the edit for not being PG enough?
The way raph does it is very pg :laugh:
arista
23-07-2017, 06:59 PM
On now
here we go with the kids edition of BBUK
Jordan.
23-07-2017, 07:00 PM
Mess no warning
Adamw92
23-07-2017, 07:00 PM
So weird starting without the usual warnings
no warning and 55 minutes?
AHHH @ no warning because it's so PG
Jordan.
23-07-2017, 07:01 PM
This ep is gonna be a snooze I can sense it
Santa's NaughtiNess
23-07-2017, 07:01 PM
:wavey:
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:01 PM
have the lines opened?
Greg!
23-07-2017, 07:01 PM
AHHH @ no warning because it's so PG
I love big brother Australia
Amy Jade
23-07-2017, 07:02 PM
It feels weird that it is on so early lol
arista
23-07-2017, 07:02 PM
Ends at 8:55PM
Ch5HD News
Shaun
23-07-2017, 07:02 PM
here for an F word accidentally being left in
Jordan.
23-07-2017, 07:02 PM
The house must be quiet af losing 5 people in one night
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:02 PM
I knew Tom could be uncancelled eventually
LukeB
23-07-2017, 07:03 PM
It feels weird it being on at 8pm i almost forgot
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:03 PM
I keep forgetting Andrew's there
arista
23-07-2017, 07:03 PM
here for an F word accidentally being left in
Ofcom granny
watch every second
smudgie
23-07-2017, 07:03 PM
Wouldn't be so bad if it was a 2 hour special
It feels weird it being on at 8pm i almost forgot
yup
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:03 PM
rwg\s\gdfgf Debs singing Love, Peace and Harmony
LukeB
23-07-2017, 07:03 PM
Why is this on for 55 mins?
Hannah to sob at this remix?
Jordan.
23-07-2017, 07:03 PM
Love, Peace and Harmony (rap edit)?
Im hannah crying to Deb's serenade
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:04 PM
"You got Charlotte; pretends she's really smart" :joker:
Parallel
23-07-2017, 07:04 PM
Here for Deborah's airtime.
Thank god we get to see these two and have no more smellie
arista
23-07-2017, 07:04 PM
It feels weird it being on at 8pm i almost forgot
Good job
only today
Greg!
23-07-2017, 07:04 PM
I want a Deb and Kieran showmance.
smudgie
23-07-2017, 07:04 PM
How can she miss her, she is on the box in front of her.:joker:
Not a Fight Night in the Attic?
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:05 PM
Hannah and Tom are placing 6th and 5th funnily enough :joker:
Amy Jade
23-07-2017, 07:05 PM
I miss my Chanelle :(
LukeB
23-07-2017, 07:05 PM
I want a Deb and Kieran showmance.
delete this. Deb has standards
Greg!
23-07-2017, 07:05 PM
How can she miss her, she is on the box in front of her.:joker:
Because she can't speak to her, silly madam!
How can she miss her, she is on the box in front of her.:joker:
Because she can't speak to her? Touch her?
Adamw92
23-07-2017, 07:05 PM
I miss my Chanelle :(
I miss her too :(
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:06 PM
I miss my Chanelle :(
Yeah this **** feels like a completely different show
smudgie
23-07-2017, 07:06 PM
Because she can't speak to her, silly madam!
:laugh: she can talk to the box:joker:
Greg!
23-07-2017, 07:06 PM
Is the attic actually in an attic or is it like a task room.
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:06 PM
SOO SAN
i remember when BBUK used to be priority over other **** - those were the days
Jordan.
23-07-2017, 07:06 PM
Simone already proved Andrew is lying scum
'Charlotte literally blindsided me'
*Raph's ears prick up at the use of BBUS terms in the vicinity*
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:06 PM
WAS IT SOO SAN
Tinsel Toes
23-07-2017, 07:06 PM
God the worst thing about this task is having to listen to Tom.
Is the attic actually in an attic or is it like a task room.
2nd house most likely
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:06 PM
Imagine if Kieran somehow outlasts Raph
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:07 PM
Omg axe it @emotional music
Greg!
23-07-2017, 07:07 PM
Goodbye this music.
storybrooke
23-07-2017, 07:07 PM
Sad music
smudgie
23-07-2017, 07:07 PM
Because she can't speak to her? Touch her?
I know, but she will be back with her in no time...and she gets to spend time with the lovely Tom:laugh:
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:07 PM
Wtf is this acoustic doing on civilian BBUK
LukeB
23-07-2017, 07:07 PM
Imagine if Kieran somehow outlasts Raph
That would be tragic af
Parallel
23-07-2017, 07:07 PM
I love the random music that plays on some scenes. Hahahaaa
2nd house most likely
It doesnt look it, plus they have no garden
LukeB
23-07-2017, 07:07 PM
Wtf is this acoustic doing on civilian BBUK
They do this on Love Island :joker:
smudgie
23-07-2017, 07:07 PM
Imagine if Kieran somehow outlasts Raph
I would rather not:bawling:
Shaun
23-07-2017, 07:07 PM
who let ed sheeran in :fist:
Ok well that was a dull 5 minutes
storybrooke
23-07-2017, 07:07 PM
Hannah and Tom are working together quite well in the Attic
Greg!
23-07-2017, 07:08 PM
I love the random music that plays on some scenes. Hahahaaa
Well I ****ing hate it.
Owen19
23-07-2017, 07:08 PM
It's so refreshing not to have to watch Ellie though
It doesnt look it, plus they have no garden
I thought they did?
Hannah said 'Tom we have a garden!' when they entered. I haven't seen it mind.
arista
23-07-2017, 07:08 PM
Little 8 year old boy says to
Daddy
"I SHAFTED PEOPLE"
OFFCOM ALERT
Greg!
23-07-2017, 07:08 PM
I don't even hate the idea of music in the eppies, it's just the way they do it is so cringe.
Im sorry but that music will never top the sexy music that played during Chanelle's Sexy Fun Times
LukeB
23-07-2017, 07:08 PM
who let ed sheeran in :fist:
They saw my thread so they decided to torture us :(
Shaun
23-07-2017, 07:09 PM
Little 8 year old boy says to
Daddy
"I SHAFTED PEOPLE"
OFFCOM ALERT
*Petition for arista to replace Marcus Bentley*
Tinsel Toes
23-07-2017, 07:09 PM
That would be tragic af
That would a complete tragedy ,Kieran is just so mono , i really don't get why people like him :conf:
Parallel
23-07-2017, 07:09 PM
Im sorry but that music will never top the sexy music that played during Chanelle's Sexy Fun Times
Wasn't it 'Naughty Girl' by Beyoncé or did I imagine it? :hehe:
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:10 PM
Only Chanelle could make awkward musical interludes funny @ "Gotta Love Ya Baby"
I thought they did?
Hannah said 'Tom we have a garden!' when they entered. I haven't seen it mind.
Oh I didn't hear oop, I'm just basing it off of what we saw. Also the fact they're all in one room and don't have a bedroom is a little suspicious (although it might be considered unncessary)
I didnt know they could access the 2nd house from the upstairs. Also tragic what attic has a garden
Tinsel Toes
23-07-2017, 07:10 PM
*Petition for arista to replace Marcus Bentley*
With the sex robot voice :laugh:
Greg!
23-07-2017, 07:11 PM
This ep is literally going to get about 400k. They deserve it mind for ****ing about with the schedule.
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:12 PM
This ep is literally going to get about 400k. They deserve it mind for ****ing about with the schedule.
Yesterday only got 200K didn't it?
Greg!
23-07-2017, 07:13 PM
the music is really pissing me off. Omfg.
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:13 PM
Mess they censored a Walkers packet :laugh:
Shaun
23-07-2017, 07:13 PM
:joker: at their attempt to hide the fact that is a bag of Walkers salt and vinegar
Oh I didn't hear oop, I'm just basing it off of what we saw. Also the fact they're all in one room and don't have a bedroom is a little suspicious (although it might be considered unncessary)
I didnt know they could access the 2nd house from the upstairs. Also tragic what attic has a garden
I don't think it's actually upstairs. The only space on the second story is the top of the stairs and the diary room space.
"Hannah's sister Deborah" asif we don't know who she is after 48 days...
Adamw92
23-07-2017, 07:13 PM
"She's going!"
Hannah, the new people's housemate?
Greg!
23-07-2017, 07:14 PM
Yesterday only got 200K didn't it?
That was a joke lol
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:14 PM
"Hannah's sister Deborah" asif we don't know who she is after 48 days...
Yeah this pissed me off too
Shaun
23-07-2017, 07:14 PM
"Hannah's sister Deborah" asif we don't know who she is after 48 days...
Well someone seems to think she's a twin :skull:
Jordan.
23-07-2017, 07:14 PM
Anyway at the 8pm highlights being too much for the tubb server
Wasn't it 'Naughty Girl' by Beyoncé or did I imagine it? :hehe:
I was about to ask what song it was :joker: I'll check in a min
Amy Jade
23-07-2017, 07:14 PM
I wished we could see Raph talk about Chanelle in the diary room.
Littlegreen
23-07-2017, 07:15 PM
Raph/Deborah, love 'em.
Amy Jade
23-07-2017, 07:15 PM
Why is Hannah targetting Issy?
Greg!
23-07-2017, 07:15 PM
"Hannah's sister Deborah" asif we don't know who she is after 48 days...
I know, loads of things about this ep are pissing me off.
haha tom thinks raph is stiff ;)
I don't think it's actually upstairs. The only space on the second story is the top of the stairs and the diary room space.
Oh there is another space upstairs. It's where The Bolthole/Perez's secret room was I believe. The Attic looks a bit big for that space though.
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:15 PM
Why is Hannah targetting Issy?
It's a compromise for the fact that she can't nom Kieran at all + is closer to Raph & Deborah. There's no one else she can target
jennyfromtheblock8
23-07-2017, 07:15 PM
The attic is basically a room with no windows or natural light so worse than a prison.
Adamw92
23-07-2017, 07:16 PM
Why is Hannah targetting Issy?
Trying to cancel herself?
Santa's NaughtiNess
23-07-2017, 07:16 PM
:joker:
Shaun
23-07-2017, 07:16 PM
"Charlotte needs to be quiet anyway." :skull:
Jordan.
23-07-2017, 07:16 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/cjuc6Ojr1G0AE/giphy.gif
haha kerians response to raph having to twerk hehe
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:16 PM
I bet Raph the superfan is thinking "Why is production still thinking the youth culture likes twerking? Horrible task!"
storybrooke
23-07-2017, 07:16 PM
Isabelle's impression of Raph was good
Jordan.
23-07-2017, 07:17 PM
Deb coaching him <3
LukeB
23-07-2017, 07:17 PM
Kieran will be a flop
Adamw92
23-07-2017, 07:17 PM
Issy's impression of Andrew :laugh2:
omg who's that supposed to be :laugh2:
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:17 PM
Isabelle's Andrew rwgsfverfg
smudgie
23-07-2017, 07:17 PM
Aw Deborah teaching Raph.:love:
Jordan.
23-07-2017, 07:17 PM
Issy imitating Kat?
Greg!
23-07-2017, 07:17 PM
Issy is so endearing and lovely :love:
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:17 PM
Isabelle would've won this task if she used Andrew's bin bags
arista
23-07-2017, 07:17 PM
*Petition for arista to replace Marcus Bentley*
No Marcus is Dedicated ,Jumped channels
Hard Worker
Keep him
-Vanessa's condition from Friday's highlights WORSEN at Raph's twerking-
Amy Jade
23-07-2017, 07:18 PM
It's a compromise for the fact that she can't nom Kieran at all + is closer to Raph & Deborah. There's no one else she can target
She seems quite nasty about it though.
Shaun
23-07-2017, 07:18 PM
Isabelle's Andrew impression sounding more Kathreya :skull:
JTM45
23-07-2017, 07:18 PM
Why is Hannah targetting Issy?
I'm a bit confused about that too.:shrug:
I'm actually really good at dancing.
Kieran will be a flop
What do you mean will?? Oh.. you mean this task
Parallel
23-07-2017, 07:18 PM
Isabelle would've won this task if she used Andrew's bin bags
OMG YES!!!! Hahahahaaa
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:18 PM
She seems quite nasty about it though.
It's probably better to do that so Tom doesn't decide to change his mind
Owen19
23-07-2017, 07:18 PM
Queen of impressions
Santa's NaughtiNess
23-07-2017, 07:18 PM
twerk twerk twerk
https://media.tenor.co/images/9b91d88e1c8c550b1b6eb4e6ff087594/raw
Greg!
23-07-2017, 07:18 PM
Why does Marcus keep reminding us that Tom and Hannah are watching on. We know babes.
Amy Jade
23-07-2017, 07:19 PM
Better than Luke Kempner?
LukeB
23-07-2017, 07:19 PM
:joker:
Issy doing her best kathreya impression
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:19 PM
Isabelle's making Raph sound like he's from Brooklyn :joker:
Greg!
23-07-2017, 07:19 PM
screaming her Debbie one.
smudgie
23-07-2017, 07:19 PM
Lighten up Hannah.:laugh:
Adamw92
23-07-2017, 07:19 PM
Issy :love: :joker:
Jordan.
23-07-2017, 07:19 PM
Nn her Kieran
lewis111
23-07-2017, 07:19 PM
Why is Tom better than Hannah just now
NOT Issy's impression of Debs getting her nommed
jennyfromtheblock8
23-07-2017, 07:20 PM
She is charming but not great at impressions
lewis111
23-07-2017, 07:20 PM
OMG she's amazing :love:
Welp Isabelle is better than Luke Kempner?
storybrooke
23-07-2017, 07:20 PM
Boo to Hannah, I was enjoying the impressions
Jordan.
23-07-2017, 07:20 PM
ANYWAY hannah
Amy Jade
23-07-2017, 07:20 PM
Hannah is trash Issy was great.
lewis111
23-07-2017, 07:20 PM
She deserved longer she done a great
jennyfromtheblock8
23-07-2017, 07:20 PM
Hannah is one big negative moaner
Adamw92
23-07-2017, 07:20 PM
Hannah cancelled.
Kazanne
23-07-2017, 07:20 PM
Aw Hannah that was harsh,Isabelle was quite funny
Littlegreen
23-07-2017, 07:20 PM
Hannah is brutal. Ha!
Shaun
23-07-2017, 07:21 PM
Hannah/Tom would've been a perfectly fine eviction :idc:
LukeB
23-07-2017, 07:21 PM
OFF OFF OFF
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:21 PM
Welp Isabelle is better than Luke Kempner?
Hopefully she co-stars alongside him at the BOTS final after she wins
lewis111
23-07-2017, 07:21 PM
Issy was already better
smudgie
23-07-2017, 07:21 PM
Neeeeeeext
Adamw92
23-07-2017, 07:21 PM
You're supposed to be funny Kieran
lewis111
23-07-2017, 07:21 PM
I'm with Hannah on this one
Jordan.
23-07-2017, 07:21 PM
I'm Hannah's unimpressed face
JTM45
23-07-2017, 07:21 PM
WTF is wrong with Hannah!
She's going so hard for Isabelle.
Being tactical maybe ? Get rid of the competition.
LukeB
23-07-2017, 07:21 PM
Hannah :clap1: (you pressed it too late though )
Fetch The Bolt Cutters
23-07-2017, 07:21 PM
is this 'lad banter' ?
lewis111
23-07-2017, 07:21 PM
Tom is scared of Hannah :joker:
jennyfromtheblock8
23-07-2017, 07:21 PM
Not funny
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:22 PM
Im Hannah
Same i actually had the exact same hand gesture at the beginning
storybrooke
23-07-2017, 07:22 PM
I didn't laugh at Keiran's comedy tbh
haha this is great episode already
"I will try to be" :skull:
Adamw92
23-07-2017, 07:22 PM
Can Charlotte be booed off as soon as she starts?
Whiteface is disgusting! Evict ha for racism
Amy Jade
23-07-2017, 07:22 PM
Hannah is a miserable cow
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:22 PM
See you on BOTS :wavey:
jennyfromtheblock8
23-07-2017, 07:22 PM
Hannah needs to cheer up that face
LukeB
23-07-2017, 07:22 PM
omfg Hannah is hilaroious :joker:
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:23 PM
"Boring! There was no story to it! I dunno why she's rubbing her bum, there's tissue in the toilet!" $WTGFrvadxztgf
Kazanne
23-07-2017, 07:23 PM
I liked charlottes
lewis111
23-07-2017, 07:23 PM
I think Charlotte done fine :shrug:
LukeB
23-07-2017, 07:23 PM
Charlotte and Kieran were ****
storybrooke
23-07-2017, 07:23 PM
It's nice to have a positive task
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:23 PM
I'm Isabelle
Greg!
23-07-2017, 07:23 PM
:skull: i like raph but he's to cringe for me to handle
Raph's got the charisma for it even without the twerking
Adamw92
23-07-2017, 07:23 PM
:laugh3:
Amy Jade
23-07-2017, 07:23 PM
Charlotte and Kieran were ****
What can you actually do as a mine though tbf?
storybrooke
23-07-2017, 07:23 PM
oh my god
smudgie
23-07-2017, 07:23 PM
Wow, his confidence is brilliant:dance::cheer2:
jennyfromtheblock8
23-07-2017, 07:23 PM
Raph is good
lewis111
23-07-2017, 07:24 PM
Wish VTW was open now so Issy and Raph could catch them votes
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:24 PM
:skull: i like raph but he's to cringe for me to handle
It's not his fault tbf that they made him do something so cringey
lewis111
23-07-2017, 07:24 PM
Hannah picking her fave though :/
Accurate representation of my seduction techniques
Santa's NaughtiNess
23-07-2017, 07:24 PM
:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:
"He's vibrating!!" My first time teas
Shaun
23-07-2017, 07:24 PM
"Yes! I Caught it!"
Hannah serving rph?
Sorry but Isabelle clearly should have won that task
LukeB
23-07-2017, 07:24 PM
What can you actually do as a mine though tbf?
Some mime acts i've seen they try and be funny with it and be all goofy . Charlotte's felt a bit dry
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:24 PM
Someone get Vanessa's stretcher ready
Littlegreen
23-07-2017, 07:25 PM
Brilliant!
smudgie
23-07-2017, 07:25 PM
Winner..:clap2:
Amy Jade
23-07-2017, 07:25 PM
Issy was better. Hannah is only impressed because she is taking credit for his moves.
Parallel
23-07-2017, 07:25 PM
Well done Raph! A man of many talents :laugh:
LukeB
23-07-2017, 07:25 PM
I agree with that
Adamw92
23-07-2017, 07:25 PM
Accurate result then.
Kieran was by far the most boring :joker:
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:25 PM
Hannah's facial reaction :skull:
Epic.
23-07-2017, 07:25 PM
Uh oh not the negative Hannah edit back
Lmfao if 12 hours alone with Hannah drove him to walk
lewis111
23-07-2017, 07:26 PM
The twist has destroyed Hannah's chances of making top 4
jennyfromtheblock8
23-07-2017, 07:26 PM
Hannah would do anyone's nut in
Amy Jade
23-07-2017, 07:26 PM
Some mime acts i've seen they try and be funny with it and be all goofy . Charlotte's felt a bit dry
She's not an actual mine though. Hannah set her up to fail what more can be expected.
JTM45
23-07-2017, 07:26 PM
Charlotte's got some stumpy little legs.:laugh:
smudgie
23-07-2017, 07:26 PM
Hannah to make Tom walk :devil:
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