The Walking Dead | Season 9 | Discusssion Thread

[Locke.]

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Episode 1 airs on October 23rd, and is also the 100th episode of the show. The trailer for the season was released this week at Comic Con. Fingers crossed it will be great after pretty much the entirety of last season was a build up to it.

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*please use spoilers for comics talk

[Cal.]

Oop @ the old Rick at the end.

[Niamh.]

Oop @ the old Rick at the end.

Imagine if that was him waking up from a coma from the first episode :o

[Babayaro.]

yeah idk what they're up to @ old rick

[Nicky91]

:facepalm: not available in my country :mad:

[Locke.]

Just over 2 weeks to go :pipe:

[Drew.]

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[Babayaro.]

No hype for this lol

[Natalie.]

Can't wait for this

[Drew.]

That shut you up Marc

[Niamh.]

I just hope they kill Negan early on so we don't have to watch all that crap for another whole Season

[Locke.]

What on earth

[LukeB]

I just hope they kill Negan early on so we don't have to watch all that crap for another whole Season

I 100% agree.

[Niamh.]

the title :laugh2:

[Lostie!]

I just hope they kill Negan early on so we don't have to watch all that crap for another whole Season

I 100% agree.

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I want Daryl gone too. Unfortunately I'd say both are sticking around for the long haul

[Niamh.]

Lostie needs banning now as well for wanting rid of Daryl :nono:

[Lostie!]

Lostie needs banning now as well for wanting rid of Daryl :nono:

He's awful :idc:

(and not to throw anyone under the bus but Natalie hates him too!)

[Babayaro.]

That shut you up Marc

Shut your mouth

[Niamh.]

He's awful :idc:

(and not to throw anyone under the bus but Natalie hates him too!)

Daryl is the best character in it :nono:

[RileyH]

I was planning to get into TWD bc of Lauren Cohan but there's so many

[LukeB]

Daryl is the best character in it :nono:

You've spelt Glenn and Maggie wrong

[Lostie!]

Daryl is the best character in it :nono:

He's **** and one of the most outrageously overrated characters in all of fiction since the beginning of time

[Babayaro.]

They really need to adopt the GoT thing of every character not being safe. It's far too predictable now.

[Lostie!]

They really need to adopt the GoT thing of every character not being safe. It's far too predictable now.

Tbf I think both shows have characters who seem untouchable

[Natalie.]

Yeah, Daryl needs to go but he won't

[Lostie!]

Yeah, Daryl needs to go but he won't

I knew I could count on you

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[Niamh.]

You're dead to me Natalie :oh:

[Brother Leon]

I just hope they kill Negan early on so we don't have to watch all that crap for another whole Season

Comic Spoiler.


Negan doesn't die. Even after he loses the War :hee::hehe:

[Niamh.]

I'm not reading spoilers :nono:

[LukeB]

They can kill off Carl

[Drew.]

Yeah, Daryl needs to go but he won't

Stick Nat on the ban list whilst you're at it Purds

[Natalie.]

You're dead to me Natalie :oh:
At least we agree on Shane :laugh:

Stick Nat on the ban list whilst you're at it Purds

:joker::joker:

[Brother Leon]

We are going into my fave run in the comics and it should be lasting a couple seasons or so. Hopefully they do it right.

[Niamh.]

At least we agree on Shane [emoji23]



:joker::joker:This is true [emoji12]

[Niamh.]

We are going into my fave run in the comics and it should be lasting a couple seasons or so. Hopefully they do it right.I hope it picks up, I was so disappointed with last season

[Cal.]

Ugh I can't believe they killed off Andrea 5 seasons earlier than they were meant to

If they stuck to the original plan she was meant to die this season

But Michonne took her TV arc so I hope she's okay :worry:

[Brother Leon]

I hope it picks up, I was so disappointed with last season

A lot of people were. I kinda knew it was going to be a bridge season so I wasn't as pissed really.

[Niamh.]

A lot of people were. I kinda knew it was going to be a bridge season so I wasn't as pissed really.Well that's reassuring to hear, I really want to love it again

[Brother Leon]

The Walking Dead’ Plans Crossover With ‘Fear The Walking Dead’ – NY Comic-Con


The worlds of The Walking Dead and spinoff Fear The Walking Dead are finally going to cross paths. Right at the beginning of today’s New York Comic-Con TWD panel it was revealed that there is going to be a crossover between the two AMC shows based on the comics created by Robert Kirkman.

“There is one character that is going to go from one show, that I will not name, to another show, that I will not name,” Kirkman told the crowd of what has been a question fans have asked since prequel of sorts FearTWD debuted in the summer of 2015. “This is a huge event in the world of The Walking Dead,” he added of the crossover expected to occur in the next year.

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http://deadline.com/2017/10/the-walking-dead-crossover-fear-the-walking-dead-new-yorj-comic-con-amc-1202183976/

Interesting. Wonder what they pull off..

[Ant.]

Ugh I can't believe they killed off Andrea 5 seasons earlier than they were meant to

If they stuck to the original plan she was meant to die this season

But Michonne took her TV arc so I hope she's okay :worry:

Did they schedule Andrea to last to Series 8 in the tv show? Or are you trying to equate her TV lifespan to her comic lifespan? If the latter, Andrea would have a few seasons left, they'd have to introduce the whisperers, then have the whisperer war, etc

[Amy Jade]

I hope it is Alex from Fear crossing over to TWD, she was so underused in Fear and Michelle is a really good actress

[Ant.]

http://deadline.com/2017/10/the-walking-dead-crossover-fear-the-walking-dead-new-yorj-comic-con-amc-1202183976/

Interesting. Wonder what they pull off..

Watch it be Morales appearing in FTWD. I highly doubt they'd do a character from FTWD going onto TWD because well... that just spoils that that person would survive all of FTWD (unless they quit FTWD and swap to TWD once and for all?)

I would LOVE Alex to appear on TWD permanently though. They'd probably have to force her back into FTWD given the current setting, but I can really see Alex being a member of Oceanside!

[Ant.]

I hope it is Alex from Fear crossing over to TWD, she was so underused in Fear and Michelle is a really good actress

Oh I didn't even see this. Queen of amazing opinions? :clap1:

[Locke.]

FTWD has deservedly weak ratings so it will probably be a character from TWD appearing in that in an attempt to gain more interest in the show. Probably end up just being someone pretty minor though.

[Amy Jade]

Is there anyone from TWD who could possible have been around them?

Alex washing up on Oceanside could work

[Amy Jade]

Oh I didn't even see this. Queen of amazing opinions? :clap1:

Great minds etc :love:

[Cal.]

Did they schedule Andrea to last to Series 8 in the tv show? Or are you trying to equate her TV lifespan to her comic lifespan? If the latter, Andrea would have a few seasons left, they'd have to introduce the whisperers, then have the whisperer war, etc

The actress said she was told she was going to be in it for at least 8 seasons

[Nicky91]

huh what's wrong with the title :conf:

[user104658]

The actress said she was told she was going to be in it for at least 8 seasons

Yes well I think we can more or less blame the actress for the huge shift for that character tbh... Andrea is meant to be a really big main character, and was clearly originally intended to follow the comics version, but unfortunately... the portrayal of Andrea in the show was really, really ****ing irritating and she pretty much had to go. :think:. With another actress portraying a more likable character, she would probably still be in it...

[Brother Leon]

Andrea's death was basically a goodbye **** you from the Showeunner at the time. The character was so annoying though that I don't really care.

[Niamh.]

Andrea's death was basically a goodbye **** you from the Showeunner at the time. The character was so annoying though that I don't really care.

She was one of my favourite characters up until Season 3, they totally ruined her in that one

[Ant.]

FTWD has deservedly weak ratings so it will probably be a character from TWD appearing in that in an attempt to gain more interest in the show. Probably end up just being someone pretty minor though.

If this is the case, I could really see Morales popping up, although I dont think the general audience cares enough about him/even know who he is? So maybe we could see a bigger character (with plenty of characters' backstories a mystery, it really could be anyone)

The actress said she was told she was going to be in it for at least 8 seasons

oh wow :( she got sold out

Great minds etc :love:

indeed :clap1: :love:

Yes well I think we can more or less blame the actress for the huge shift for that character tbh... Andrea is meant to be a really big main character, and was clearly originally intended to follow the comics version, but unfortunately... the portrayal of Andrea in the show was really, really ****ing irritating and she pretty much had to go. :think:. With another actress portraying a more likable character, she would probably still be in it...

I don't see how that's Laurie Holden's fault tbh, Andrea was written a different way to how she is in the comics, even before she took a complete detour by going off on her own to Woodbury. It's just a shame that they knew Andrea was the group's marksman, and she made her one of the worst shots.... without even developing her aim and skills

That being said, I'm pretty content with the Atlanta Four we have left (although Glenn should be alive instead of beaten dead horse Daryl... Glenn served more purpose last season than Daryl did ffs stop keeping him alive for fan service)

[Lostie!]

ffs stop keeping him alive for fan service

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Sums up Daryl's place in the show perfectly.

[user104658]

It does but, allegedly, it's believed that his fan power is so great that killing him off could actually drop viewership to the extent that they'd be at risk of cancellation. So it's just not going to happen... Not until Reedus' contract is up and he doesn't want to renew. Even then I think they'd give him a soft exit to keep the possibility of a return open (which would upset stans less).

[Ant.]

It does but, allegedly, it's believed that his fan power is so great that killing him off could actually drop viewership to the extent that they'd be at risk of cancellation. So it's just not going to happen... Not until Reedus' contract is up and he doesn't want to renew. Even then I think they'd give him a soft exit to keep the possibility of a return open (which would upset stans less).

But what do his fans actually like about him? I'm generally curious, I just don't see how people can like post season 3 Daryl and I never see any good arguments for why he's still relevant to the story.

Glenn's way better and had so much more potential with his story, especially when we were promised a 'dark Glenn', which I could only imagine is him killing people unwillingly and visibly uncomfortable with the situation. ALSO Glenn's death in the comics had more meaning with him being the one to "take one for the team" and him being the pure innocence and voice of reason which was tainted by Glenn making his first kill and that never being shown to affect him again. Also why the **** was 90% of Glenn's screentime in 6B just foreshadowing his death? He was obviously going to die and there was no reward in the prediction and despite how predictable it was it was STILL just put in for shock factor. AND it took away from Abraham's brutal yet underplayed death. I think Steven wanted Glenn's comic death anyway but it's still annoying that they knew he would be killed off for over a season and did NOTHING with his character. they literally wrote him out for 4 episodes AGAIN for shock factor. They ****ed Glenn up bad man while Daryl just gets loved for breathing smh less popular and quite a fair number of people quit because of his death, so god knows how ratings will change when Daryl's gone

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Sums up Daryl's place in the show perfectly.

He was great in the first 3 seasons but come season 4 what did he actually do? Nothing note-worthy in 4A, and 4B was just building up to Beth's "death" (I'm #teamdefiance) and trying to make us feel for Daryl (it didn't even develop his character) and it completely overshadowed Maggie losing the only 'family' she had left (I'm not counting Glenn, and I was kinda pissed off Maggie didn't even actively look for Beth and only asked about her once in 5A).
Then the same happened with Denise (still a bull**** death made 100x worse by turning it into a Daryl issue which indirectly caused Michonne, Glenn and Rosita captured) and then half the time we saw any mourning for Glenn, it was Daryl feeling ****ty for trying to take down Negan... like okay, we get it, he's a broken soul in an apocalypse!! who ****ing isn't

[Natalie.]

I'm pretty content with the Atlanta Four we have left (although Glenn should be alive instead of beaten dead horse Daryl... Glenn served more purpose last season than Daryl did ffs stop keeping him alive for fan service)

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Andrea was my favourite female character and they messed it up.
I hated what they did to her in S3, I was looking forward to her story

They told the actress she was there until s8 at least and then killed her off

[user104658]

But what do his fans actually like about him? I'm generally curious, I just don't see how people can like post season 3 Daryl and I never see any good arguments for why he's still relevant to the story.

Glenn's way better and had so much more potential with his story, especially when we were promised a 'dark Glenn', which I could only imagine is him killing people unwillingly and visibly uncomfortable with the situation. ALSO Glenn's death in the comics had more meaning with him being the one to "take one for the team" and him being the pure innocence and voice of reason which was tainted by Glenn making his first kill and that never being shown to affect him again. Also why the **** was 90% of Glenn's screentime in 6B just foreshadowing his death? He was obviously going to die and there was no reward in the prediction and despite how predictable it was it was STILL just put in for shock factor. AND it took away from Abraham's brutal yet underplayed death. I think Steven wanted Glenn's comic death anyway but it's still annoying that they knew he would be killed off for over a season and did NOTHING with his character. they literally wrote him out for 4 episodes AGAIN for shock factor. They ****ed Glenn up bad man while Daryl just gets loved for breathing smh less popular and quite a fair number of people quit because of his death, so god knows how ratings will change when Daryl's gone



He was great in the first 3 seasons but come season 4 what did he actually do? Nothing note-worthy in 4A, and 4B was just building up to Beth's "death" (I'm #teamdefiance) and trying to make us feel for Daryl (it didn't even develop his character) and it completely overshadowed Maggie losing the only 'family' she had left (I'm not counting Glenn, and I was kinda pissed off Maggie didn't even actively look for Beth and only asked about her once in 5A).
Then the same happened with Denise (still a bull**** death made 100x worse by turning it into a Daryl issue which indirectly caused Michonne, Glenn and Rosita captured) and then half the time we saw any mourning for Glenn, it was Daryl feeling ****ty for trying to take down Negan... like okay, we get it, he's a broken soul in an apocalypse!! who ****ing isn'tThe thing is though, many fans don't judge their favourites season to season, so basically if they liked him in S1-S3 they're unlikely to stop just because his storyline has dried up. He was an interesting character initially... A pariah in the real world who found his place in the apocalypse... But that arc completed years ago and for several seasons he's more or less been "muscle" - one of their top zombie slayers and not much else character wise. That said, they sort of do need these "zombie ninja" characters to progress the threats like they have (I.e. Walkers are no longer a major threat, they consider them pests more than anything).

You also have a bit of "Chloe Sullivan syndrome" going on with Daryl which means the writers favor him a bit. Basically, like Daryl, Chloe was an original character created by the shows writers and placed in a world full of characters established in the source material. So, even when she got really (REALLY) irritating, they still massively over-used her and found ways to work her into the bones of every season, right until the end. Because that character was "theirs", not DC comics. Daryl IMO gets similar from the TWD guys, because he's not a Kirkman character.

[Ant.]

The thing is though, many fans don't judge their favourites season to season, so basically if they liked him in S1-S3 they're unlikely to stop just because his storyline has dried up. He was an interesting character initially... A pariah in the real world who found his place in the apocalypse... But that arc completed years ago and for several seasons he's more or less been "muscle" - one of their top zombie slayers and not much else character wise. That said, they sort of do need these "zombie ninja" characters to progress the threats like they have (I.e. Walkers are no longer a major threat, they consider them pests more than anything).

You also have a bit of "Chloe Sullivan syndrome" going on with Daryl which means the writers favor him a bit. Basically, like Daryl, Chloe was an original character created by the shows writers and placed in a world full of characters established in the source material. So, even when she got really (REALLY) irritating, they still massively over-used her and found ways to work her into the bones of every season, right until the end. Because that character was "theirs", not DC comics. Daryl IMO gets similar from the TWD guys, because he's not a Kirkman character.

Good point, I just found it difficult understanding since Daryl has went from one of my favourites to being probably my least favourite character in TWD (besides maybe Gregory, but we're meant to hate him), and I assumed people would just follow the logic of "they've not utilised his character, so why should we support him over characters getting real story and development?" I think the Alexandrians proven that they are more than capable of being 'zombie ninjas' after No Way Out though, which I thought would be enough reason to finish off Daryl (especially since, as you said, he's just become the group's top zombie slayer).

Great analogy, actually. Best way I've seen Daryl described :clap1:

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Andrea was my favourite female character and they messed it up.
I hated what they did to her in S3, I was looking forward to her story

They told the actress she was there until s8 at least and then killed her off

I'll never get why they ****ed her over? I found this quote from Kirkman:
Aside from reaffirming the unsafe nature of the show, it's a bleak show and the message we're trying to send is Andrea would go to any length to save those people and she ended up sacrificing her life for them.
I'll never understand what great 'sacrifice' she tried to make and it's a tad annoying when most of the Survivor's deaths have been 'sacrifices' for the greater good of the group (see T-Dog, they tried to make Abraham's death a 'sacrifice', Merle's (who literally sacrifices himself for the group a few episodes before she died... what was the point in repeating that trope?!), Sasha's), fair enough she was one of the early victims of a repetitive trope, but she was the 3rd character that season to die 'sacrificing herself' for the group... and it wasn't much of a sacrifice or meaningful death?

That said, I do prefer Michonne with Rick (and Michonne in general, but Michonne could've easily ended up with Rick over Andrea anyway if that was their plan) and I appreciate that Michonne's branching out and building up her sniper skills, so it's nice her character wasn't too wasted? That said, I'm just so confused as to why they killed her off if they had big plans for her to go far, because her reason for dying was bull****

[Calderyon]

Watched just about 3 seasons of this. And an episode here and there.

Why is Niamh on the ban list?

[Nicky91]

I am so ready for this first episode tonight :hee:

[Nicky91]

Loved last night's episode, but i think letting Negan live has been a stupid mistake from Rick and his group, and Negan will want revenge now i can see Father Gabriel being first death of the season now, and he'll have his junkyard squad also killing a few of rick's group

also liked the remembrance of 2 behind the scenes workers who had died, very emotional at the end of the ep, with the end titles

[Crimson Dynamo]

I had to watch this and the Talking Dead last night

:idc:

[Nicky91]

I had to watch this and the Talking Dead last night

:idc:

i really hate the Michonne and Rick love scenes :yuk: she's so much better than being with him

[Niamh.]

First Episode :

It was ok, there was some action which was good but the going forwards and backwards and present got annoying. And what was that future stuff with Rick about, it was odd, it only really serves some purpose if Rick, Michonne or Judith dies soon which is possible, hopefully it won't be Michonne though :worry:

Also, I was screaming at the TV both when Negan first came outside -Seriously why didn't they take a shot then instead having a chat??? and also, Gabriel was holding a gun why didn't he shoot negan when he got in that container with him? I mean I know he's a man of god and all but come oooooon :fist:

[user104658]

First Episode :

It was ok, there was some action which was good but the going forwards and backwards and present got annoying. And what was that future stuff with Rick about, it was odd, it only really serves some purpose if Rick, Michonne or Judith dies soon which is possible, hopefully it won't be Michonne though :worry:

Also, I was screaming at the TV both when Negan first came outside -Seriously why didn't they take a shot then instead having a chat??? and also, Gabriel was holding a gun why didn't he shoot negan when he got in that container with him? I mean I know he's a man of god and all but come oooooon :fist: I would guess he'll point the gun at Negan but Negan will spin a yarn about how they'll have to work together to get out of their situation, something like that. I also thought the jumping backwards and forwards was a bit all over the place... I understand what they were going for but I don't think it was very well executed. Also, cutting to teary Rick is clearly trying to foreshadow some death or other, but I'm very skeptical that they would kill off Michone or Carl and after changing from the comics lore to save Judith at the end of the prison, and the big "car seat cliffhanger" back then, it would be a bit hollow to just kill her off now.

I'm also totally baffled by the fact that in the flash forwards... Based on Judith's age it's maybe 5 or 6 years later, Michone doesn't really look any older, but Rick has aged at least 15 years? :think:

[Nicky91]

I would guess he'll point the gun at Negan but Negan will spin a yarn about how they'll have to work together to get out of their situation, something like that. I also thought the jumping backwards and forwards was a bit all over the place... I understand what they were going for but I don't think it was very well executed. Also, cutting to teary Rick is clearly trying to foreshadow some death or other, but I'm very skeptical that they would kill off Michone or Carl and after changing from the comics lore to save Judith at the end of the prison, and the big "car seat cliffhanger" back then, it would be a bit hollow to just kill her off now.

I'm also totally baffled by the fact that in the flash forwards... Based on Judith's age it's maybe 5 or 6 years later, Michone doesn't really look any older, but Rick has aged at least 15 years? :think:

yes i also think Michonne might die, her dying i would find sad, but Carl being killed i wouldn't mind tbh, he adds nothing to the show

i'm curious what the junkyard clan are up to, probably Negan's soldiers to now make an attack at Rick's group, and i have seen on TWD wikia, a few episodes later, Saviors have some new weaponry which is pretty dangerous and gonna cause for trouble against Rick's group

i think season 8 might now first them dealing with the junkyard, and season 9 a sort of final battle prep against the saviors

[Niamh.]

I would guess he'll point the gun at Negan but Negan will spin a yarn about how they'll have to work together to get out of their situation, something like that. I also thought the jumping backwards and forwards was a bit all over the place... I understand what they were going for but I don't think it was very well executed. Also, cutting to teary Rick is clearly trying to foreshadow some death or other, but I'm very skeptical that they would kill off Michone or Carl and after changing from the comics lore to save Judith at the end of the prison, and the big "car seat cliffhanger" back then, it would be a bit hollow to just kill her off now.

I'm also totally baffled by the fact that in the flash forwards... Based on Judith's age it's maybe 5 or 6 years later, Michone doesn't really look any older, but Rick has aged at least 15 years? :think:

But why do they let him talk ffs it's so annoying, jesus, he bashed Glen and Abrahams head in with a barbed wired base ball bat, shoot the ****er god damn it :fist:

I didn't read the comics or any of the spoilers from them so i didn't know they'd already saved Judith when she died originally? Wouldn't it therefore make sense that it would be her that dies then? It's definitely either her or Michonne and tbf Judith is a pretty pointless character anyway.

I too was confused about grandpa Rick lol

[Amy Jade]

I thought the episode was pretty weak for an opener. The action wasn't that great apart from Daryl shooting the containers on his bike.

Negan is still just annoying to me rather than menacing too

[Ant.]

Episode 1:
Really sad to see Rosita stay behind. I know Serratos was pregnant, but I'm still sat that she isn't fighting after she's proven more than capable. :( I hope we do get to see more of her and that she doesn't die this season/any time soon because I've always enjoyed her and the development she got last season was great.

Tara <3 I'm probably in the minority but I love her. There's something about her that's so endearing and I hope she and Rosita hook up she also lives to the end of All Out War.

Oh wow Eric screentime! Yeah he's definitely getting killed off soon :worry:

Also I probably missed something and I know walkers were flooding the Sanctuary... but why didn't Rick just run to where Negan was hiding and just shoot him? And why did no one just surprise Negan by shooting him dead? I know it wouldn't fit the narrative and "Rick wanted to take the shot" but Negan could've easily been shot at multiple times

Loved the parallels between 7x01 and 1x01 in this episode.

Also, how big is Judith now?!?! I'm not talking about the flashbacks, i'm talking about how she looked like, one year old a few episodes ago and now she looks three years old? In what, the space of a week or two?

I really hope we see Oceanside again... hopefully with Alex from FTWD washed upon their shores :fc:

Also, I'm becoming more and more adamant Beth will be back this season... I know she was shot in the head but I'm Team Delusional/Defiance all the way :elephant:



I would guess he'll point the gun at Negan but Negan will spin a yarn about how they'll have to work together to get out of their situation, something like that. I also thought the jumping backwards and forwards was a bit all over the place... I understand what they were going for but I don't think it was very well executed. Also, cutting to teary Rick is clearly trying to foreshadow some death or other, but I'm very skeptical that they would kill off Michone or Carl and after changing from the comics lore to save Judith at the end of the prison, and the big "car seat cliffhanger" back then, it would be a bit hollow to just kill her off now.

I'm also totally baffled by the fact that in the flash forwards... Based on Judith's age it's maybe 5 or 6 years later, Michone doesn't really look any older, but Rick has aged at least 15 years? :think:

the excuse was "black doesn't crack" :laugh:

[Ant.]

I thought the episode was pretty weak for an opener. The action wasn't that great apart from Daryl shooting the containers on his bike.

Negan is still just annoying to me rather than menacing too

The uncensored Negan in the season 6 finale is quite terrifying. I didn't realise how much the 'f-bomb' made the difference. ( -flashbacks to when they changed "they're ****ing with the wrong people" to "they're screwing with the wrong people!!"- )
Now he just seems more like a guy who's meant to be funny but he's just... not?

[Amy Jade]

Lilbro you literally stan the same characters I do haha

[Ant.]

Lilbro you literally stan the same characters I do haha

Great minds think alike :clap1:

I always feel alone when I say I stan Tara :( She always seemed like the most inoffensive and one of the nicest (if not the nicest with Glenn and Heath gone, and excluding Gabriel) while also being entertaining

I think I have a bad case of TiBB syndrome, it feels like most of my faves of TWD have been females... I adored Daryl until season 4, and I loved Abraham and Glenn but look how that turned out

[Nicky91]

TiBB syndrome Lilbro :laugh:

[user104658]

"Y'all got to realise sumthin'... Negan... He ain't just some regular character... He's like meee or Coooral or Daaayryl. He's got the plot armour." - Rick, S08E01

[user104658]

... By which I mean, if they continue to follow the graphic novels, Negan himself still has a role to play in future storylines even after the Saviours are dead and buried.

Then again they could do it better than they do, like have him actually keep himself out of harms way for the mostpart (he could have shouted / spoken to them from behind a barricade, just like they were, would actually have been quite effective imagery) instead of him constantly being in situations where someone could clearly stab / shoot / whack him with something but just... Don't do it...

[Ant.]

... By which I mean, if they continue to follow the graphic novels, Negan himself still has a role to play in future storylines even after the Saviours are dead and buried.

Then again they could do it better than they do, like have him actually keep himself out of harms way for the mostpart (he could have shouted / spoken to them from behind a barricade, just like they were, would actually have been quite effective imagery) instead of him constantly being in situations where someone could clearly stab / shoot / whack him with something but just... Don't do it...

Oh I'm all for him surviving and becoming the major character/redeemed character he becomes in the comics. But he's escaped near death so many times it's ridiculous, it is, as you say, "plot armour".

I'm one of the people who defend the fact the Saviors still back him after everything he does (especially since some are against him) as he rules out of fear and guarantees safety, so i can respect that aspect of why he's alive. But he's gotten so lucky it's ridiculous. Eugene blocking Rosita's shot a few episodes ago, Lucille blocking Rosita's bullet in the Season 7 MSF, Negan escaping the season 7 finale unharmed (it was a massive free-for-all and no one decided to go for the main guy? I guess the same could be said for Rick but... he was shot and Negan/the Saviors kept him alive for the Lucille lineup AND I still think it was BS that Sasha didn't bite him). Did Carl even try to attack him during their moments alone?)
Yesterday's episode was just rubbing it in. One shot (or a few, Simon could easily lead the Saviors in Negan's place after all) and they had the 'tomorrow' they all dreamed of. And yeah, Rick tricked them, but I still think it's bull**** that none of the five up there were fatally shot (or bit) when there was an army of people aiming for them (granted most were gunning down the windows, probably hoping to kill some Saviors inside, but why not take out the big guys you know are there right in front of you and then focus on the small frys?)

What makes it worse is, Negan's gonna survive this predicament he's in... and then the rest of the war... and that'd be fine, if he was safe and could avoid being shot at in a reasonable way (like you explained), rather than just getting lucky

[Crimson Dynamo]

My take on last night was the whole ep played right into the hands of the NRA and gun ownership in AMerica

[user104658]

My take on last night was the whole ep played right into the hands of the NRA and gun ownership in AMericaTo be fair, "potential zombie apocalypse" is right up there in reasons to support ownership of guns in my opinion. That said, if TWD is to be believed, the most effective weapons for zombie slaying are actually katanas, crossbows, and broom handles :think:..

Also I think most of their assault weaponry at this point was obtained from police and army stockpiles... They didn't have anything like that much until Rick and Michonne raided an army encampment last season. Although they never really explained how that encampment, in the middle of a huge amusement park complete with ferris-wheel towering in the sky, hadn't already been raided by the Saviours who were operating in the area for years before Rick and Co wandered over from Atlanta...

[Cal.]

It were okay.

[Crimson Dynamo]

To be fair, "potential zombie apocalypse" is right up there in reasons to support ownership of guns in my opinion. That said, if TWD is to be believed, the most effective weapons for zombie slaying are actually katanas, crossbows, and broom handles :think:..

Also I think most of their assault weaponry at this point was obtained from police and army stockpiles... They didn't have anything like that much until Rick and Michonne raided an army encampment last season. Although they never really explained how that encampment, in the middle of a huge amusement park complete with ferris-wheel towering in the sky, hadn't already been raided by the Saviours who were operating in the area for years before Rick and Co wandered over from Atlanta...

well all i know is i bought 2 handguns on the dark web today and all i went in for was to kidnap a woman and get some coke :shrug:

[user104658]

well all i know is i bought 2 handguns on the dark web today and all i went in for was to kidnap a woman and get some coke :shrug:Don't forget the horse porn

[Crimson Dynamo]

Don't forget the horse porn

neigh danger

[user104658]

neigh danger

That was a good one :flutter:

[Brother Leon]

Just a warning that there is a huge mid season finale spoiler floating around on the interwebs.

[Ant.]

MESS I just saw a spoiler and :oh:

[Ant.]

scream I just saw another spoiler and I never thought it'd happen but... it is? :joker:

[Cal.]

Shook at the mid season finale spoiler

[Ant.]

Shook at the mid season finale spoiler

it's TOO SOON. literally and plotwise :umm2: I want the reasons and NOW!

-

The spoiler for the next episode would've been so great if I didn't have it spoiled for myself and it's annoying because it's something I've (well literally everyone but let me have this!) anticipated for YEARS and now it's ruined!

[Nicky91]

Shiva in action on tonight's episode :clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

seen that on the sneak preview

[Locke.]

The King is such a fresh character. Every scene he is in feels so much more exciting than the rest, he's had about 100 monologues already in the season he has been in it which could have been pretty tiring but the guy playing him just pulls it off so well.

"The damned are upon us!!!" While they're getting swamped by the walkers, just amazing isn't he

[Cal.]

Shook at Morales

[Ant.]

Shook at Morales

Glenn to fume that his place in Atlanta Five was taken by one of his original pals who is aligned with the man who bashed his head to smithereens?

(I really wonder if he knows that the 'widow' was married to the guy he went on supply runs with, and I wonder if he knows about how Glenn died :worry:

[Amy Jade]

Tara :love:
Shiva :love:
Jerry :love:

[Ant.]

Tara :love:
Shiva :love:
Jerry :love:

you really do have all the same faves as me omg :love:

It's so BADASS to see Tara go from a woman who was too afraid to fight (see: Governor vs the Prison) to one who was pretty much leading an attack on a Saviors compound :love: and with Jesus no less! (I remain faithful that one day we'll see Rosita and Tara lead an attack one day)

[Brother Leon]

Morales actually returned ffs :laugh: . When The meme actually becomes too real.

[Cal.]

Rosita and Michonne being left behind is so annoying cos they're such bad bitches

[Nicky91]

Shiva :D

Ezekiel :love:

Carol :love:

[Niamh.]

The King is such a fresh character. Every scene he is in feels so much more exciting than the rest, he's had about 100 monologues already in the season he has been in it which could have been pretty tiring but the guy playing him just pulls it off so well.

"The damned are upon us!!!" While they're getting swamped by the walkers, just amazing isn't he

Yes, I love him, could easily become my favourite character, I hope he features strongly in this season and they don't kill him off or anything.

[Nicky91]

Yes, I love him, could easily become my favourite character, I hope he features strongly in this season and they don't kill him off or anything.

i'd be more sad if they would kill shiva off, such a beautiful animal :(

[Crimson Dynamo]

thankfully I fell asleep at around 9.15 and missed most6 of the episode but the TL was enthralled

[Nicky91]

thankfully I fell asleep at around 9.15 and missed most6 of the episode but the TL was enthralled

:idc: https://media.tenor.com/images/0eef69b2b2357d0904505f6db8c9d3df/tenor.gif

http://78.media.tumblr.com/84b2e61a92434cc7e56e47d4ff7e5f6d/tumblr_otgyh63JTm1v7fwzgo2_540.gif

get mr trumpet, shiva :fan:

[Ant.]

Rosita and Michonne being left behind is so annoying cos they're such bad bitches

Christian was preg which is why we never saw below her chest when she was sat down :( I don't know WHY Michonne's just chilling at Alexandria. Is she still meant to be injured from 7x16??

Praying Rosita survives the Whisperers in the TV series so she can get her chance to fight in a war :clap1:

[Amy Jade]

Daryl was a dick tonight. Felt kinda sorry for the guy he shot at the end.

[Locke.]

They probably shouldn't have used the King's voice for a voiceover in the preview directly after the episode ended if they wanted that cliffhanger to work.

The scene with Gregory at the gate was good, the interaction with Rick and Morales too although I expected him to have a bigger impact if he ever did return. A bit tired of Morgan now tbh.

Need more Negan and Michonne.

[Ant.]

Daryl was a dick tonight. Felt kinda sorry for the guy he shot at the end.

I mean, his outrage is sorta understandable? He's an abuse survivor and he was stripped naked and chained in a dark room and forced to eat dog food for god knows how long. I don't agree with how he's just gone wild with shooting the Saviors, and ESPECIALLY not with Morales. That said, Daryl always acts out so it's hard to even guess if his reasons go that deep, or if the showrunners just want him to be 'badass' to be relevant

Morales had so much potential, and if they wanted to have him for like, ten minutes, they should've had him interact with Carol at least. Carol has had the most development and it's a shame Miranda's confirmed dead because they were friends at the start and I just imagine Miranda would be proud of who Carol has become, especially since she was being abused and was still somewhat vulnerable when Miranda left.

I just wish we knew how Morales' family died... and HOW he ended up in Virginia? Surely you would go and find the rest of your family after losing the rest of yours? Gahh I was hoping this would be answered in a bottle episode of sorts/flashbacks.

Also curious as to how the Saviors took him in. What makes Saviors decide if someone's worth killing or worth taking in? They randomly killed all the men of Oceanside unprovoked so why did they think a lone man would be better to take in? And I know Morales was... with the 'bad side' and was clearly not thinking straight but HOW did he not care about Glenn's death?? Granted it's been over a year and a half but that could've been a great conversation point/make Morales question his morals (heuh)

I may invest my Team Delusional/Defiance efforts into another Team for Morales...

[Amy Jade]

Yeah I don't see the point in even reintroducing him for such a small throw part either

[Cal.]

Mess did they kill him already?

[Ant.]

Mess did they kill him already?

you'll have to watch and find out!

[Cal.]

I missed it and didn't record so will watch tomorrow!

[Ant.]

I missed it and didn't record so will watch tomorrow!

imo it was an ok episode but it just felt a tad boring?

[user104658]

Actually the saviours don't seem to have much of a criteria for who they take in, other than that they won't be defiant. I'm sure they only killed the oceanside men after they tried to fight back / stay independent? And then the offer was given to the women again after all the men were killed, but instead they packed up and left.

Really he was a prime candidate for them. Someone broken and desperate with nothing left, who would happily "be Negan" after being... "saved". Most of their loyal followers seem to be people who were struggling "out there" on their own and were taken in. Easy to manipulate and gain the unquestioning loyalty of someone who has nothing else left and is desperate for somewhere to belong.

[Josy]

Daryl was a dick tonight. Felt kinda sorry for the guy he shot at the end.

Daryl, Morgan the King and Tara are the only ones with the right attitude towards the saviours IMO, they are sticking with the plan that Rick made and even he can't seem to stick to, kill them on sight before they get word back to the other saviours, look what happens every time they don't, it's about surviving yet Jesus seems to forget that..

I've been feeling a bot meh these 2 episodes tbh, infact the king is the only one keeping me interested for now, not feeling the 'Maggie is a leader push' they've shoved in there, yeah we know she is the leader of the hilltop but so much for wanting revenge for Glenn, she goes along with jesus and allows the saviours to live :rolleyes:

[Nicky91]

it was a nice episode, i'm slightly worried for ezekiel, but i knew it was a trap by the saviors with their machine guns :(

[Niamh.]

Daryl, Morgan the King and Tara are the only ones with the right attitude towards the saviours IMO, they are sticking with the plan that Rick made and even he can't seem to stick to, kill them on sight before they get word back to the other saviours, look what happens every time they don't, it's about surviving yet Jesus seems to forget that..

I've been feeling a bot meh these 2 episodes tbh, infact the king is the only one keeping me interested for now, not feeling the 'Maggie is a leader push' they've shoved in there, yeah we know she is the leader of the hilltop but so much for wanting revenge for Glenn, she goes along with jesus and allows the saviours to live :rolleyes:

:clap2:

Jesus and Rick annoyed me most, Rick is a terrible leader, always has been imo

[user104658]

Well now that they've gone down that route they would need to stick to it... but I actually think their tactic with the saviours is completely wrong from the start. Most of them are just scared, normal people who were struggling to get by and latched onto "daddy Negan" for safety and out of gratitude, and became willing to overlook the bad parts in exchange.

If they had quickly, cleanly and quietly assassinated Negan and a select few of his generals... then offered the rest peace / safety as part of a productive wider community... they would have accepted it with relatively little resistance :shrug:.

[Nicky91]

but that would mean the end of the series TS :fan:

[user104658]

but that would mean the end of the series TS :fan:

Just the end of this plotline. Though they need Negan around for future storylines I think, but still, you could have them capture Negan and kill his "right hand men" with the same effect.

[Niamh.]

Shane would have had all this s**t sorted last Season :idc:

[Amy Jade]

Daryl, Morgan the King and Tara are the only ones with the right attitude towards the saviours IMO, they are sticking with the plan that Rick made and even he can't seem to stick to, kill them on sight before they get word back to the other saviours, look what happens every time they don't, it's about surviving yet Jesus seems to forget that..

I've been feeling a bot meh these 2 episodes tbh, infact the king is the only one keeping me interested for now, not feeling the 'Maggie is a leader push' they've shoved in there, yeah we know she is the leader of the hilltop but so much for wanting revenge for Glenn, she goes along with jesus and allows the saviours to live :rolleyes:

I agree with Tara to a degree but I don't think her, Zeek nor Morgan would have shot an unarmed and obviously scared teenager (Todd) like that, it just felt cruel to me, who are the bad guys again?

[Josy]

I agree with Tara to a degree but I don't think her, Zeek nor Morgan would have shot an unarmed and obviously scared teenager (Todd) like that, it just felt cruel to me, who are the bad guys again?Everyones bad though its a must for survival, Daryl was tortured by the saviours, lots of their friends and loved ones have been killed by them some horifically, someone has set them up because apparently negan knew all about what they were up to and moved the guns, the guy was a saviour we saw him taking part in the fight last episode and like most would probably have got back and gave negan more info so why would Daryl or any of them take that chance.

[Niamh.]

Everyones bad though its a must for survival, Daryl was tortured by the saviours, lots of their friends and loved ones have been killed by them some horifically, someone has set them up because apparently negan knew all about what they were up to and moved the guns, the guy was a saviour we saw him taking part in the fight last episode and like most would probably have got back and gave negan more info so why would Daryl or any of them take that chance.

Exactly. Daryl is trying to protect himself and his apocalypse family, Rick needs to take note

[Brother Leon]

Daryl was a dick tonight. Felt kinda sorry for the guy he shot at the end.

Daryl was kidnapped, tortured and fed dog food by these people. Of course he's going to kill on sight.

[Amy Jade]

Well I am heart broken

Shiva's death was almost as hard to digest as Beth's </3

[Cal.]

I'm in BITS. :(

Rest in peace to a legend. Shiva </3

[Babayaro.]

Brilliant episode. Jerry and Ezekiel were outstanding. Carol back to her best too :love:

[Niamh.]

Am I the only one who's kind of glad that ......

Shiva died? :worry: The pet tiger thing always seemed a bit stupid to me. Great episode though and I'm enjoying the lack of Negan in this season.

[Drew.]

Am I the only one who's kind of glad that ......

Shiva died? :worry: The pet tiger thing always seemed a bit stupid to me. Great episode though and I'm enjoying the lack of Negan in this season.

It was way too gimmicky & it didn't really fit into TWD at all, it was like Ezekiel and Shiva hopped over from another TV show. I'm still struggling to warm to Ezekiel as well.

[Niamh.]

It was way too gimmicky & it didn't really fit into TWD at all, it was like Ezekiel and Shiva hopped over from another TV show. I'm still struggling to warm to Ezekiel as well.

I do like Ezekiel, I think his character is refreshing and fun, I like the idea that he took on a role to get him and his people through such an horrific time but it will be good to start seeing him as the real person too now he's left the Kingdom and lost Shiva

[Drew.]

I do like Ezekiel, I think his character is refreshing and fun, I like the idea that he took on a role to get him and his people through such an horrific time but it will be good to start seeing him as the real person too now he's left the Kingdom and lost Shiva

Yeah this is true. I've just struggled to find much interest in him though, his character, his look and Shiva didn't really feel like it suited the show. I may be stuck back in the past a bit but i preferred it when characters were ordinary people, Ezekiel feels a bit like a superhero from a futuristic movie who has got lost. I do agree with you though, i'm a lot more interested to see his character develop without Shiva and more as a normal person

[Niamh.]

Yeah this is true. I've just struggled to find much interest in him though, his character, his look and Shiva didn't really feel like it suited the show. I may be stuck back in the past a bit but i preferred it when characters were ordinary people, Ezekiel feels a bit like a superhero from a futuristic movie who has got lost. I do agree with you though, i'm a lot more interested to see his character develop without Shiva and more as a normal person

The real characters only work for a few seasons I suppose otherwise it just gets too repetitive

[Babayaro.]

Anyone else find that saviour who captured Ezekiel to be very creepy?

I thought he would be in the episode for much longer tbh

[Niamh.]

He had a kind of peeping tom/pedo look about him :laugh: His death was amazing though, although I did wonder how Jerry managed to cut him clean in half but his axe thing couldn't break the gates chain :laugh:

[Nicky91]

i loved that death scene as well that savior chopped in half by jerry, but :skull: RIP Shiva, saddest moment for me in TWD so far :bawling:

[user104658]

He had a kind of peeping tom/pedo look about him :laugh: His death was amazing though, although I did wonder how Jerry managed to cut him clean in half but his axe thing couldn't break the gates chain :laugh:

A couple of good whacks with a hammer would have broken that padlock, it's a total plothole that the massive axe didn't break it :joker:. That's what they need - a boatload of those padlocks. Make a wall out of them = invincible wall! Or just make a wall out of Rick and Daryl who are, evidently, also invincible. Even Carol knows it. She heard Daryl's motorbike and was like ":hee: It's ok those guns aren't getting far"...

"But Carol, what if someone killed Daryl and took the motorbike?"

"Nope, can't happen."

"But... they have like an armored truck that has one of those guns that just killed dozens of people like a hot knife through butter mounted on the back... what if they just gun Daryl down?"

"Nah."



I'm also glad that Shiva died TBH, if only because the CGI for that damn tiger was probably using up like 70% of their effects budget...

[Niamh.]

A couple of good whacks with a hammer would have broken that padlock, it's a total plothole that the massive axe didn't break it :joker:. That's what they need - a boatload of those padlocks. Make a wall out of them = invincible wall! Or just make a wall out of Rick and Daryl who are, evidently, also invincible. Even Carol knows it. She heard Daryl's motorbike and was like ":hee: It's ok those guns aren't getting far"...

"But Carol, what if someone killed Daryl and took the motorbike?"

"Nope, can't happen."

"But... they have like an armored truck that has one of those guns that just killed dozens of people like a hot knife through butter mounted on the back... what if they just gun Daryl down?"

"Nah."



I'm also glad that Shiva died TBH, if only because the CGI for that damn tiger was probably using up like 70% of their effects budget...

:laugh2:

Can't argue with that logic, build a Rick and Daryl wall :laugh:

[Natalie.]

Best episode of the season so far for me, great to see more of Carol
Loving how little we have of Negan at the moment

It will be interesting to see Ezekiel without Shiva now
Jerry :love:

[Amy Jade]

How are you struggling with a pet tiger but ok with a zombie virus?

[Niamh.]

How are you struggling with a pet tiger but ok with a zombie virus?

Because apart from the Zombie virus the characters are supposed to be living in the "real world" and the pet tiger seemed silly to me, as did those trash people who forgot words after a year or so of the virus

[user104658]

How are you struggling with a pet tiger but ok with a zombie virus?I don't mind the tiger itself, per se, big cats can be tamed so it's not impossible. I was also OK with;

A) A tiger that is tamed and doesn't attack humans

B) A tiger that does attack humans, but not Ezekiel or other humans that are familiar to it.

C) A tiger that had been trained to only attack on command.


All of those were fine with me really. A bit out there but within the realms of believable.

Buuut... It jumped the shark once the war started, and somehow the tiger knew to attack only Negan followers, and somehow knew which people were Negan followers, despite loads of the "friendlies" in the area being from Hilltop and Alexandria, who the tiger would also never have seen.

It knew not to attack them? H... How?? It just got silly at that point, basically giving the tiger human-like reasoning and decision making skills. It's a tiger! If it attacks strangers, it attacks ALL strangers.

[Locke.]

I thought that was the best episode of the show in over a year, since the premiere last season when we found out who Negan killed and he took Rick for that ride and tossed him out into the walkers. No surprise at all that it was an Ezekiel centric that livened the show up again. Tbh I think Ezekiel and Negan are head and shoulders above any other character right now, the rest of the cast just aren't exciting anymore. I love Rick but it's mostly just same old at this point with his group.

I loved how Shiva saved Ezekiel at his weakest moment after he saved her at her weakest moment. I know we'll probably get a depressed Ezekiel for a few weeks now but hopefully he doesn't drop the King stuff, it's pretty funny and the show does lack comedic moments these days with the lack of Negan and Eugene.

Speaking of, hopefully next weeks does feature Negan a lot. Or at least some of the other saviours we actually know. There just isn't really any tension at all when we're seeing the main characters face off with a bunch of glorified extras introduced in the same episode.

And why the bloody hell didn't Rick and Daryl drive back 30 seconds down the road to check what the situation was with Ezekiel and his men? They just got the guns and pissed off.

[Ant.]

I actually want to vomit at how clearly they foreshadowed Ezekiel's death :skull: it feels like 6b when they weren't even subtle with hints Glenn would die

[Cal.]

Ezekial's death? :skull:

I thought Carl was dying?

[Jase.]

Anybody ever been to the Walker Stalker convention? I'm going in March, first time :)

[Ant.]

uhm @ the spoilt FTWD/TWD crossover character?

[Brother Leon]

uhm @ the spoilt FTWD/TWD crossover character?

I'll never complain about more Lennie James scenes, but if they kill him off in TWD just for this then I'm gonna be pissed.

[Nicky91]

cannot wait for tonight :amazed:

[Nicky91]

great episode last night, Rosita killing that savior in style with rocket launcher :clap1: Siddiq and Carl great new friendship, Junkyard turning down Rick's deal again :joker: Ezekiel & Carol some nice scenes

[Cal.]

Rosita and Michonne are back :love:

[Nicky91]

Rosita and Michonne are back :love:

yep, same goes for Carl, Siddiq who were also not seen for a couple of episodes


and Pollyanna woodward finally some screentime in season 8 :love:

[Amy Jade]

Rosita :love:

[user104658]

The rocket launcher moment was hilarious, Heh. Episode ruined by the presence of the daft trash people. And this time they were randomly naked! "Where clothes go? Not care."

Hopefully Rick gets out and just guns them all down.

[Nicky91]

The rocket launcher moment was hilarious, Heh. Episode ruined by the presence of the daft trash people. And this time they were randomly naked! "Where clothes go? Not care."

Hopefully Rick gets out and just guns them all down.

yeah but why do i think these junkyard people are going to do something to rescue Negan and his saviors from the walkers outside the sanctuary

[Ant.]

Ezekial's death? :skull:

I thought Carl was dying?

oh cal solly chick I only just saw this.

basically in the comics Ezekiel gets beheaded and has his head put on a pike, which is EXACTLY what the Savior threatened to do to Ezekiel in last weeks ep

[Ant.]

Honestly I don't know HOW anyone could not enjoy Rosita after she obliterated that scummy Savior? MAJOR mood. Such a relief to see her kick some ass after she sadly was put on the sidelines :( (honestly Im so sad she and Michonne disappeared since episode 1 until now but they had other commitments/a baby to have so i don't mind! and after the arc rosita had in season 7 i can't be too bitter)

[Josy]

Quite a slow pointless episode imo

Also not happy the garbage pail kids are back on scene, they can **** off again

[Locke.]

One of the worst episodes in the shows history. Pretty much every single decision made by a character was stupid. Rick's plan is working, stick to it. If not, just starve the saviours out. Rosita and Tara have both gone from being potentialltly interesting no marks to incredibly tedious annoyances. Daryl and Michonne are usually smart but are making dumb decisions just for the sake of the saviours getting some kind of upperhand to make the finale interesting. Awful, awful writing. That's before even getting into Maggie's we'll take no **** you've got one chance speech only to literally give the long haired guy a second chance 20 seconds later after he went for the gun. Rick and the trash people..... why? Just.. why. The only saving graces were the acting in the Carol and Ezekiel scene, and Gregory.

Also, do **** off with comic spoilers.

[Amy Jade]

The only scenes I can remember from this week were the garbage people ones because I cringed at everything about it, including Rick waving around pictures to a nonchalant crowd and the scene with Michonne and Rosita in the warehouse which I loved, not really understanding why Rosita gets so much hate - she makes mistakes definately but I enjoy flawed characters.

[user104658]

Gregory is the best thing about the show at the moment... He's so snivelling... It's brilliant :joker:. But yeah, Maggie shot have made an example of the long haired guy. He's quite blatantly not playing ball, and if not killing him, they should at least have taken him away from the others into some sort of solitary confinement.

Michonne has been an utterly weak character since they hooked her up with Rick. Major misstep in my opinion... She was much more interesting as somewhat of a loner.

There needs to be a major cull of big cast members IMO.

[Jase.]

Wtf happened to Michonne? She was such a badass. Now she's just...with Rick and is barely shown. Who did Danai Gurira piss off?

[Amy Jade]

Danai has been filming Black Panther and Avengers: Infinity War and Michonne was almost beaten to death last season so they sidelined her to recover.

Christian Serratos was sidelined because she was pregnant in real life but shot on the show.

[Jase.]

Oh that explains that then!

Hopefully we'll get to see a lot more of her in 8B

[Jordan.]

Why's Maggie been pregnant for 84 years

[Cal.]

Why's Maggie been pregnant for 84 years

Cos the show has barely moved along in time since she first got pregnant annoyingly

They could have saved so much trouble in terms of characters ageing (especially Carl) if they had bigger time jumps per season. The writers also mess up by writing character bonds stronger than they actually are because it's been years since characters have been introduced but literally months since they've met in the show

[Locke.]

Hasn't this entire season been just 2 days so far? That Aaron and Maggie scene about his dead boyfriend felt really out of place, he was talking as if he'd been dead for months

[user104658]

Their time lines have never really worked though, e.g. They've just allowed Carl to have some sort of rapid aging. Like they don't pretend that things have taken longer, the accepted time line is that the apocalypse was approx 2 years ago... They don't pretend that he's younger than he clearly is... He was clearly a kid when it started, but the character is very much a mid to late teenager now - he even has a mid to late teenage girlfriend. They just totally ignore it. He's aged 7 years in 2 years and that's just brushed under the carpet :joker:.

Also I've just read that;


Morgan is moving to Fear The Walking Dead, but not being killed off, it's a direct move (he leaves in TWD and turns up there), meaning that Fear The Walking is time jumping forward to catch up with TWD. I've also been reading that FTWD improved dramatically in S3?? Some even saying it's now a better show than TWD (not better than TWD at its peak, but better than TWD now). We stopped watching half way through S2... Not for any major reason... We just never picked it back up after the mid-season finale. Now wondering if I should give it another chance.

[Amy Jade]

I will watch FTWD again now Maggie Grace is joining the cast. I got sick of it and how it focused on Nick.

[Jase.]

"The King, the Widow, and Rick" received mixed reviews from critics. On Rotten Tomatoes, it holds a 33% with an average rating of 5.82 out of 10, based on 24 reviews. So far, this is the lowest rating in the show's history. The site's consensus reads: "The King, The Widow, and Rick" spreads itself between too many storylines, and thereby doesn't accomplish much in the process."

lmao so RT think the latest episode was the worst in the shows HISTORY? get the **** outta here

[Locke.]

It was a pretty pathetic episode, it's definitely a contender for worst ever

[Ant.]

Tonight's/yesterday's episode was great (but this is coming from someone who liked last week's even though people dislike it) and I'm honestly sad that we're on a 2 month break after next week :( I always found the first half of the seasons always tend to be the weaker of the halves and if that's the case 8b will no doubt deliver :love:

Also, do **** off with comic spoilers.

it happened two years ago chick!! Don't get too damaged x

[Josy]

Not feeling these episodes AT ALL

[Niamh.]

Not feeling these episodes AT ALL

yeah me neither. What the actual **** is the story with the trash people storyline, it's ****ing stupid

[user104658]

I thought Eugene's storyline was quite good... though he needs to go now, IMO. Trash people as always were trash.

Also I'm not sure what was supposed to be going on at the end? The way I read the situation was that Eugene had decided to be self-serving and basically was lying to Negan about their chances outside / being able to make more ammo, and just wanted the Saviors to plough a path out, so that he could escape himself. But the empty yard at the end? Are they saying that the Saviors are OUT, or just that all of the walkers are IN? Because neither make all that much sense... if the Saviors shot their way out where are the walker-bodies in the yard? And if they went in... surely there would still be at least a few stragglers wandering around outside? :think:

[Niamh.]

You can bet your bottom dollar that the Saviours have gotten out, we still have more than half a season left :laugh:

[Nicky91]

saviors have gotten out i think, and now the rick & jadis Alliance isn't working anymore either, cause of this failed plan


so i'm thinking Negan will turn to offense against rick's group now in our mid season finale, and someone might die from rick's group, my money is on Michonne or one of the hilltop colony dying, and my guess is that the guy who Carl is friends with will become part of rick's group with his own group

[Locke.]

Laughably bad writing again. The final scene made all these decisions even more stupid.... Daryl and Tara went through with their ridiculous plan to save waiting 1 extra bloody day!? Negan needs to just purge everyone except for the King next week.

[Babayaro.]

What a rubbish ep lol

[Locke.]

Just saw the ratings have fallen off quite dramatically since last season. Hopefully that will be the kick us the ass they need.

[user104658]

Laughably bad writing again. The final scene made all these decisions even more stupid.... Daryl and Tara went through with their ridiculous plan to save waiting 1 extra bloody day!? Negan needs to just purge everyone except for the King next week.Not only that, but their plan actually helped clear the way... As half of the courtyard walkers would have been inside. In fact, a good tactic for the Saviours would have been to barricade that area and then blow the wall from the inside, lure them all in, then simply leave through the other door :joker:.

[user104658]

Just saw the ratings have fallen off quite dramatically since last season. Hopefully that will be the kick us the ass they need.They won't cancel on the back of one bad season, so yeah, there's a good chance that the network will hire a new showrunner (who in turn will hire new writers) to save the show. We can only hope...

[Niamh.]

It is 8 seasons in now though, maybe they should be thinking about ending it tbh

[Brother Leon]

Couple crap episodes recently tbh. Poor Rick surrounded by idiots. Here for the MSF though.

[user104658]

It is 8 seasons in now though, maybe they should be thinking about ending it tbh

It still hits 7 to 8 million viewers regularly... there have been huge drops from its peak (about 20% drop I think?) HOWEVER... AMC's second highest rated is FTWD at 2.5 million and they don't have any other shows that break 2 million, and haven't since Breaking Bad, which again at it's peak was only at about 5 million and averaged neared 4 million.

Basically... AMC would be committing financial suicide if they cancelled it. Whether it SHOULD end I guess is another matter - I think if they set a 10 season target as their definite finale then S9 and S10 would probably be amazing... because it would have a real direction. However I just can't see them doing that, they'll bleed it totally dry and probably run to around 12 seasons, with more spin-offs.

Personally I think at the very least... as above... they need a new showrunner, a new writing team and a new ideology: After "All Out War" finishes they need to split from the comics and go in completely their own direction. Reintroduce real risk to the big characters... have more episodes that are just balls-to-the-wall survival, and I don't think it would have a problem picking up again. Basically it's gotten too "comic book heroes", but that's because it's trying to stick relatively close to the source material... time to let it go.

[user104658]

....although that said, one of the only non-comic elements they have at the moment is Lady Trash Trash, sooo... yeah. Definitely new writers before they go off writing their own stuff :joker:.

"AND THEN AND THEN! Eugene will go to the trash yard and find all this tech, and create a JETPACK for Negan... but Daryl will steal it, and he'll have loads of guns, and he'll fly around like Iron Man!!"

[Josy]

yeah me neither. What the actual **** is the story with the trash people storyline, it's ****ing stupid

They are absolutely stupid and soo so pointless, painful to watch the dialogue between them too :/

[Niamh.]

It still hits 7 to 8 million viewers regularly... there have been huge drops from its peak (about 20% drop I think?) HOWEVER... AMC's second highest rated is FTWD at 2.5 million and they don't have any other shows that break 2 million, and haven't since Breaking Bad, which again at it's peak was only at about 5 million and averaged neared 4 million.

Basically... AMC would be committing financial suicide if they cancelled it. Whether it SHOULD end I guess is another matter - I think if they set a 10 season target as their definite finale then S9 and S10 would probably be amazing... because it would have a real direction. However I just can't see them doing that, they'll bleed it totally dry and probably run to around 12 seasons, with more spin-offs.

Personally I think at the very least... as above... they need a new showrunner, a new writing team and a new ideology: After "All Out War" finishes they need to split from the comics and go in completely their own direction. Reintroduce real risk to the big characters... have more episodes that are just balls-to-the-wall survival, and I don't think it would have a problem picking up again. Basically it's gotten too "comic book heroes", but that's because it's trying to stick relatively close to the source material... time to let it go.

Yeah most likely, I hate when greedy people ruin the legacy of shows like that by dragging them out


....although that said, one of the only non-comic elements they have at the moment is Lady Trash Trash, sooo... yeah. Definitely new writers before they go off writing their own stuff :joker:.

"AND THEN AND THEN! Eugene will go to the trash yard and find all this tech, and create a JETPACK for Negan... but Daryl will steal it, and he'll have loads of guns, and he'll fly around like Iron Man!!"


Oh really? And I was thinking, maybe as comic book characters they're better? :facepalm:
They are absolutely stupid and soo so pointless, painful to watch the dialogue between them too :/

I would like a full explanation of why they talk like they've just been beamed down from outer space and are trying to learn human speak

[Josy]

Yeah most likely, I hate when greedy people ruin the legacy of shows like that by dragging them out





Oh really? And I was thinking, maybe as comic book characters they're better? :facepalm:


I would like a full explanation of why they talk like they've just been beamed down from outer space and are trying to learn human speak

Yeah same :laugh:

That and why they seem to be learning about wearing clothes too

[user104658]

Oh really? And I was thinking, maybe as comic book characters they're better? :facepalm:


I would like a full explanation of why they talk like they've just been beamed down from outer space and are trying to learn human speak

Yep - the trashyard people don't even exist in the comics, which makes their inclusion in the series even more bizarre!

"Lose short shorts... I sculpt you peeners now."

[Niamh.]

Yep - the trashyard people don't even exist in the comics, which makes their inclusion in the series even more bizarre!

"Lose short shorts... I sculpt you peeners now."

:laugh2:

[Cal.]

Lol Jadis is so thirsty for Rick why does she keep trying to kill him :laugh2:

[Ant.]

Rosita's character developing in the space of an episode :love:
Daryl still making stupid mistakes (even if he has reasons they are NOT excuses) 8 seasons on: :umm2:

[Babayaro.]

Jadis kinda hot tho

[Cal.]

Perched for the mid season finale next week :clap1:

[Locke.]

Jadis kinda hot tho

The only saving grace of the trash people

[user104658]

Ew wut? Jadis?

[Josy]

Jadis kinda hot tho

:/ Shes a pound shop Milla Jovovich

[Babayaro.]

:/ Shes a pound shop Milla Jovovich

And Mila Jovovich is even hotter!

[Niamh.]

:/ Shes a pound shop Milla Jovovich:laugh2:

[user104658]

:/ Shes a pound shop Milla JovovichLeeloo Dallas mooltipass.

Mool - tee - PASS!

... Maybe that's why Jadis speaks so strangely :think:. She's the soopraym beeyeng.

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[user104658]

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[user104658]

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I am having the MOST productive morning

[Niamh.]

:laugh2:

[Amy Jade]

Oh wow

Never thought they would go through with killing Carl, not sure what to think but it was a shock which I always enjoy but not looking forward to next season of Rick mourning

[Ant.]

Oh wow

Never thought they would go through with killing Carl, not sure what to think but it was a shock which I always enjoy but not looking forward to next season of Rick mourning

spoilers for tonight's ep:
I was expecting it because I had it spoiled to me but oh mY GOD. Such an awful way to end :bawling:

[Cal.]

Omfg

[Ant.]

.
reading Gimple's responses and hearing that it wasn't Chandler's choice, and that he chose his college to be close to where the film and bought a house in Atlanta, it all just rubs salt into the wound that is this moment. CLEARLY done for shock factor. I was at peace with it but the more I hear the more pissed I get

[Cal.]

Reminds me of Mazzara and Laurie Holden all over again

[Ant.]

Reminds me of Mazzara and Laurie Holden all over again

absolutely. That's what I've heard it compared to. With such a similar situation happening again, and what seems to be more outrage, plus how pissed Carl and comic book fans seem to be, I'd be surprised if TWD can ever bounce back from this

[user104658]

lol @ TWD committing suicide :umm2:

[user104658]

They should have killed off Daryl tbh. His storylines have trailed off, he's replaceable going forward, and Reedus seems sort of bored with the role.

[Amy Jade]

I just read Chandler was encouraged to pick a college close to Atlanta so he could still be on the show and he got a house and they kill him off...quite shady to be honest. Surely they knew the script way before and could have warned him?

Quite similar to the rumours when Beth died, Emily Kinney was apparently offered a multi episode role on the Killing but had to turn it down because TWD wanted her for filming and the role was rewritten to kill her off and she was in the final stages of auditioning for a pretty big horror movie but TWD called her back to film and killed her off. The role was apparently for Evil Dead so guessing tge lead guys girlfriend who chops her own arm off?

[Jase.]

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/the-walking-dead/news/a845184/walking-dead-chandler-riggss-dad-pissed-carl-killed-off/

Oops. Chandler's dad is not happy.

809 is gonna be a BITCH to watch. Tissues are going to be needed.

[Cal.]

I just read Chandler was encouraged to pick a college close to Atlanta so he could still be on the show and he got a house and they kill him off...quite shady to be honest. Surely they knew the script way before and could have warned him?

Quite similar to the rumours when Beth died, Emily Kinney was apparently offered a multi episode role on the Killing but had to turn it down because TWD wanted her for filming and the role was rewritten to kill her off and she was in the final stages of auditioning for a pretty big horror movie but TWD called her back to film and killed her off. The role was apparently for Evil Dead so guessing tge lead guys girlfriend who chops her own arm off?

They did it to Laurie Holden too. Promised her 8 seasons so she brought a house near filming then she got a call to say they were killing her off the night before she shot her death.

[Babayaro.]

What on earth are they playing at by killing off the most important character???? Has to be the worst decision in the show's history. Not only was the actual episode a huge disappointment but to have Carl die was just the icing on the top. And the thing is, there's no way they can reverse this decision as there's literally no chance of him surviving. An awful loss to the show. Not only in the character but Chandler Riggs, himself.

[Babayaro.]

They should have killed off Daryl tbh. His storylines have trailed off, he's replaceable going forward, and Reedus seems sort of bored with the role.

I agree. He's been very boring to watch for about 3 seasons now.

[Nicky91]

nice episode, YASSSSSSSS at Negan blowing everything up in Alexandria :clap1: :clap1:

[user104658]

I agree. He's been very boring to watch for about 3 seasons now.

It just seems like an obvious choice... his character arc is finished, if you watch interviews / panels Norman Reedus is clearly far less enthusiastic about the show these days, and also thanks to the character's early popularity he's hardly going to struggle to find new opportunites.

I feel really bad for little Coral. He's been on TWD since he was just a kid so he has no real experience of finding acting work etc... there's a pretty good chance he'll now go off to college and not return to acting, IMO.

[Babayaro.]

To make that episode so much better they should have killed off (these are the realistic options. Lbr, they're never killing Daryl)

Jerry
Michonne
Simon

[Nicky91]

To make that episode so much better they should have killed off (these are the realistic options. Lbr, they're never killing Daryl)

Jerry
Michonne
Simon

Simon is great :fist: a great sadistic villain :clap2:

[Cal.]

Chandler said it wasn't his choice and the showrunner asked to meet with him after filming for episode 6 to tell him Carl was going to die in order to

give Rick a motive to let Negan and the Saviours live after the war.

He said he's more excited to go and do more things than he was excited about continuing at The Walking Dead, that Andrew Lincoln is pretty tired of it now and may quit soon and that the show only has a few more seasons left in it.

[Niamh.]

I agree it was a stupid decision to make, I was never a Carl fan but I'd started warming to him lately, infact during the episode I was thinking that actually Carl would be a better leader than Rick. I would have killed Rick off before him, Carls character had masses of potential. Finale wasn't even that good, not sure how long more I'll keep watching the show tbh

[Cal.]

I agree it was a stupid decision to make, I was never a Carl fan but I'd started warming to him lately, infact during the episode I was thinking that actually Carl would be a better leader than Rick. I would have killed Rick off before him, Carls character had masses of potential. Finale wasn't even that good, not sure how long more I'll keep watching the show tbh

I agree with all this. I was never keen on Carl but I'm not really interested in the show anymore. The fight scenes don't even excite me lol it's all boring.

[Brother Leon]

Carl's death prettt much means the show won't last as long as most were thinking. I see 2 more seasons after this at the absolute most.

[reece(:]

It's time to end it, ridiculous

[Nicky91]

It's time to end it, ridiculous

Carl is overrated, for me i find Jeffrey Dean Morgan playing really great as Negan

for me i like the saviours more than spineless rick's group :D

[Cal.]

Killing Carl to keep Negan in the show is such an idiotic move.

[Cal.]

Carl's death prettt much means the show won't last as long as most were thinking. I see 2 more seasons after this at the absolute most.

Yeah I think season 10 will be the end point.

Wrap up the Alexandria/Hilltop/Kingdom vs Sanctuary story line, do the Whisperers arc from the comic and then end it with not too many more deaths.

[Niamh.]

Killing Carl to keep Negan in the show is such an idiotic move.

Yeah, I mean does anyone even like the Negan storyline? (besides Nicky) I can't wait till they kill him off but the reason for Carl dying is to keep him there longer? ****s sake, if he isn't dead by the end of this season i doubt I'll watch S9 tbh

[Ant.]

They should have killed off Daryl tbh. His storylines have trailed off, he's replaceable going forward, and Reedus seems sort of bored with the role.

The fact that Daryl outlived Carl annoys me.

Tbh Daryl dying would've probably pissed Rick off more than Carl dying, given the fact Rick spends waay more time with Daryl than Carl, which is ridiculous

Daryl's definitely gonna be the last man standing now and I'm FUMING that 4 people from the Lucille lineup have died now and not one of them was Daryl, who should've been Glenn's death

Also I'm very confused as to how the herd cleared up?? I thought it would've been because Daryl drove a truck into the Sanctuary, but apparently Eugene had a role in clearing it out according to Dwightl? Am I mishearing? Can anyone confirm?

[Niamh.]

I heard them say that too about Eugene but they didn't explain how as far as i can remember

[user104658]

I heard them say that too about Eugene but they didn't explain how as far as i can rememberThey didn't explain loads of things! Like weren't Rick and Carol in the car that got rammed off the road?? But then whasisname has been captured by Simon... And Carol has teleported to The Kingdom / Rick to Alexandria without a scratch on either of them? And yeah... Eugene described having some "plan" to get them all out but we never saw what he did, just that it worked :think:. My assumption is that he simply redid the previous plan - remote controlled plane playing loud music - but this time told Negan first so that Dwight couldn't intervene and stop him again - and they combined that with shooting their way through the stragglers. But really lazy writing to not show them getting out.

[Barry.]

I thought it was a good ending, surprising.

[Ant.]

They didn't explain loads of things! Like weren't Rick and Carol in the car that got rammed off the road?? But then whasisname has been captured by Simon... And Carol has teleported to The Kingdom / Rick to Alexandria without a scratch on either of them? And yeah... Eugene described having some "plan" to get them all out but we never saw what he did, just that it worked :think:. My assumption is that he simply redid the previous plan - remote controlled plane playing loud music - but this time told Negan first so that Dwight couldn't intervene and stop him again - and they combined that with shooting their way through the stragglers. But really lazy writing to not show them getting out.

Okay thank god I'm not going crazy. I KNEW Jerry was in the same car as Carol and Rick! (Also WHY was Carol at the Sanctuary anyway?!)
A tad silly how we need to guess and theorise how the Saviors got out, given how the entire episode is about the Saviors getting out... Also given all Alexandrians were confused as to how the Saviors got out, how did Dwight know where to park the cars? And where to drive the cars into the smoke? Surely they wouldn't have had time to communicate with Dwight, especially since he's been trapped at the Sanctuary and he didn't seem to be communicating with the Alexandrians via walky-talky or radio

[Amy Jade]

"Watching Gimple fire my son 2 weeks before his 18th birthday after telling him they wanted him for the next 3 years was disappointing. I never trusted Gimple or AMC, but Chandler did. I know how much it hurt him. But we do absolutely know how lucky we have been to be a part of it all and appreciate all the love from fans all these years."

I know the show in general is not a great example of long term employment prospects as a majority of the characters end up dead but I find it really unprofessional to guarantee an actors security on the show for a number of years and allow them to choose their education (Chandler was told he would be in at least 3 more seasons last year) around their job or even buy a property (Laurie Holden was told she had 5 more years at least of filming) or even encourage cast to turn down other jobs to film for future season only to be killed off mid season (Emily Kinney was told she had at least another season on the show and therfore refused a future job) it just stinks really.

Seems Gimple has no loyalty to his cast at all and that makes me kind of shy away from the show a little bit.

[user104658]

My wife is talking about stopping watching it too :joker:. I for one will stay until the bitter end though, I like trash TV and I'd find it hilarious if it ended in some really stupid / premature way... slow motion car crash :laugh:.

[Niamh.]

My wife is talking about stopping watching it too :joker:. I for one will stay until the bitter end though, I like trash TV and I'd find it hilarious if it ended in some really stupid / premature way... slow motion car crash :laugh:.

Did you watch Dexter?

[Cal.]

Lauren Cohan could be on her way out also?

She hasn’t signed a new contract and is apparently asking for a much higher salary to earn the same as Andrew Lincoln and Norman Reedus :worry:

[Brother Leon]

Not sure why Norman is getting paid so much.. Andrew Lincoln deservedly getting the highest though.

[Babayaro.]

I've been rewatching from the start the last few days and :flutter: @ ALL OF IT

I know a lot of fans felt that the Sophia thing dragged out but in all honesty, I think it was done perfectly. I mean, 7 episodes isn't really that long to wait, is it? Especially when you have other things going on, like Shane's downfall, Lori being pregnant, Hershel trying to keep the barn secret and Glenn and Maggie's relationship. One thing I've noticed too, is how good a character Dale was :love: He'll be such a big loss once I get round to watching episode 11(??)

[Lostie!]

Not sure why Norman is getting paid so much.. Andrew Lincoln deservedly getting the highest though.

Daryl's probably the show's #1 cash cow even though he's been pointless for years.

[Babayaro.]

Daryl's great in the first few seasons

[Amy Jade]

I hope Lauren gets equal pay, Melissa and Danai should too, in my opinion.

[Cal.]

Season 2 :love:

They never captured the magic of season 2 again. They killed off that set of survivors way too quickly.

[Babayaro.]

Season 2 :love:

They never captured the magic of season 2 again. They killed off that set of survivors way too quickly.

Yup. Having Dale, Shane, Lori and T-Dog all dead within a few episodes of each other (although they were different seasons) wasn't the best move.

[Cal.]

Then Merle and Andrea within quick succession too at the end of the season 3. A mess

[Cal.]

It’s weird because I view the Atlanta and farm survivors as the ‘main’ TWD group when the ‘main’ group is more like Michonne, Tara, Rosita, Sasha, Abraham, Eugene, Aaron etc.

[Lostie!]

Yup. Having Dale, Shane, Lori and T-Dog all dead within a few episodes of each other (although they were different seasons) wasn't the best move.

Then Merle and Andrea within quick succession too at the end of the season 3. A mess

I always liked that, reinforced the stakes.

[Niamh.]

Season 2 :love:

They never captured the magic of season 2 again. They killed off that set of survivors way too quickly.

I loved S2 so much, I don't understand the hate it gets

[user104658]

Did you watch Dexter?

Haaa I only just saw this post. Yeah, we watched Dexter, the ending was horrendous :joker:

I mean the whole thing was bad but the absolute WORST of it all, was the entire thing where Debra was "in love with Dexter"... when while they're not blood related, they have had a COMPLETELY sibling relationship for the whole show. It was repulsive! Like somehow far worse than the Lannisters in GoT... because while they are twins (ew) the whole show has had them in the weird incestuous relationship. Dexter actually had them for multiple seasons being just brother and sister, developing that close sibling relationship, and then out of nowhere she's like "lol I want 2 hav sex with u". So wrong :laugh:. No wonder he became a lumberjack.

[Niamh.]

Haaa I only just saw this post. Yeah, we watched Dexter, the ending was horrendous :joker:

I mean the whole thing was bad but the absolute WORST of it all, was the entire thing where Debra was "in love with Dexter"... when while they're not blood related, they have had a COMPLETELY sibling relationship for the whole show. It was repulsive! Like somehow far worse than the Lannisters in GoT... because while they are twins (ew) the whole show has had them in the weird incestuous relationship. Dexter actually had them for multiple seasons being just brother and sister, developing that close sibling relationship, and then out of nowhere she's like "lol I want 2 hav sex with u". So wrong :laugh:. No wonder he became a lumberjack.

The whole last season was ludicrous

I agree about Deborah being in love with him as well. The logic behind him deciding to become a lumberjack (lol) because he didn't trust himself to be able to look after Harrison properly what with him being a serial killer and all.....ok fair enough but where does he leave him??? in the capable hands of his serial killing girlfriend :facepalm:

I was devastated how that whole last season went and I don't even want to think about the last episode, I loved Dexter so much, I actually didn't even think it was possible to make an ending so bad

[Brother Leon]

I hope Lauren gets equal pay, Melissa and Danai should too, in my opinion.

Should be Andrew as the highest and then the names you mentioned equal just below yeah.