Can a black woman ever win BBUK?

[Headie]

Sorry, this thread is a yearly tradition, wouldn't be the same without it x

[Jian Yang]

*yawn*

[Dominic]

I honestly think it'll happen if it doesn't get axed

[Epic.]

No! http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar77153_174.gif

[storybrooke]

I voted no unfortunately

[Headie]

*yawn*

Tired of the racism? Me too

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[Cherry Christmas]

Tired of the racism? Me too

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This year should have been the year but even TiBB surprisingly turned their back

[Marsh.]

Let's vote a black woman as winner.... just to have a black woman winner. :clap1:

That's equality. :clap1:

[Jian Yang]

Tired of the racism? Me too

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How on earth is it racist? It's BB, you vote for who you like, regardless of race.

[Alf]

Are you a racist Hayden? Serious question.


I ask because, you seem obsessed with people being treated a certain way, based solely on the colour of their skin.

[Northern Monkey]

Who cares?


If they deserve to win then they will.

Personality should win not skin colour

[Cherry Christmas]

Don't ever talk about the racist public when TiBB did this

Vote Now!
BB18 - Who do you want to WIN? [Final Four]
Isabelle 54.7%
Deborah 20.5%
Raph 16.5%
Tom 8.3%

Total votes: 834

[Headie]

Are you a racist Hayden? Serious question.


I ask because, you seem obsessed with people being treated a certain way, based solely on the colour of their skin.

No I don't see colour x

[iRyan]

If Deborah can't win it, I'm afraid no one can.

[Cal.]

They could if they were the best.

(Makosi and Gina were but there was more support for Anthony/Eugene/Sam/Dexter)

[chuff me dizzy]

When BB finally gets one in without a vile attitude and who doesn't throw the race card every 5 minutes,maybe ...but not if they carry on with the types they put in every year

[Marsh.]

The same "racist" public that got her to third place but they are full of so much HATRED for black woman they stopped at 1st place.

[chuff me dizzy]

Are you a racist Hayden? Serious question.


I ask because, you seem obsessed with people being treated a certain way, based solely on the colour of their skin.

Well said Alf and spot on :clap1:

[Jian Yang]

No I don't see colour x

Actually this thread suggests you do.

[Marsh.]

When BB finally gets one in without a vile attitude and who doesn't throw the race card every 5 minutes,maybe

Ok posts like this actually prove Hayden's point.

And tbf, it didn't take much for you to throw the aggressive card at the sisters this year. Yet, other housemates weren't judged by the same standards.

[Headie]

Actually this thread suggests you do.

Me? Never!

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[chuff me dizzy]

Ok posts like this actually prove Hayden's point.

And tbf, it didn't take much for you to throw the aggressive card at the sisters this year. Yet, other housemates weren't judged by the same standards.

The WERE aggressive that why i threw the card their way

[Northern Monkey]

No I don't see colour x

:joker:

Now that's funny

[reece(:]

Deborah would've won but the casuals didn't like her having the cultured accent.

[Marsh.]

The WERE aggressive that why i threw the card their way

And as I said.... other housemates of other skin colours were not judged by the same standards.

[chuff me dizzy]

Actually this thread suggests you do.

I Agree ,its all about the colour of a hm8s skin with some folk

[reece(:]

If Deborah can't win it, I'm afraid no one can.

True, she was winner material

[Cherry Christmas]

You won't get much support Hayden as most of usual suspects are supporting Raph and Isabelle which is fine as they felt they were the most entertaining, nothing to do with colour ..sorry

[Northern Monkey]

The WERE aggressive that why i threw the card their way

They were and it's nothing to do with skin colour.Deborah hurtling up those stairs like Linford Christy says it all.

[Cherry Christmas]

Oh but hilariously people who supported other Hms above Debs have voted no :joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

They were and it's nothing to do with skin colour.Deborah hurtling up those stairs like Linford Christy says it all.

She should have been removed that night

[854]

I voted yes, because, I voted yes. I don't have to explain why.

But thinking realistically, no I have to be honest and say I don't think a black woman has a good chance at winning bbuk. I would love to eat my words, but I don't know.

I don't live in England, I live in America, but I can assume the same rules apply, and black people, let alone black women always get the short end of the stick in situations like that. I don't know. I was really certain that Deborah was going to win.

I know because I'm black and gay and understand.

Brian Belo who is a black man won when it was on Channel 4. But he was kinda normal and not what people expected of him. I don't know if Brian acted more like a chav or gangster he would have won. If he acted the way he did in the Time Warp task couple seasons ago, he would not have won. Or if he was in any other house that he probably would not have won. But even though Brian was black, he wasn't over the top and seemed normal. Also coupled with the fact Liam who I would say was in good standing to win didn't already win that task and win 100k, Brian I don't think would have won. I guess people didn't vote for the twins as they assumed they would win. The other people in the final were not deserving at all to be winners.

But going back, I think for a black female to win, she has to be different.

With black women it's hard to do that. They are always, ALWAYS, the diva, sista, sassy woman, and that's fine, and even though they are being themselves, for some reason, which in my own opinion might be related to racism, the viewers find that offensive.

I think the only exceptions to the rule is to find a black girl that isn't what we normally expect, and the closest we got was maybe Alison in BB4, Dawn in BB7, Sophia RIP in bb10, Ife in BB11, and Sam from BB16. Every other black girl has been the diva, sassy type which again there is nothing wrong with that, but for some reasons, the viewers don't like that. Well they might not hate her, but they won't vote her the winner. If she doesn't get on the other contestants nerves, she will make it to final and most likely get 4th place or so.

Other than that, she's most always the first or second one out.

So coupled with the fact she has to be different, she also just has to be lucky and be in final where the rest of the people aren't deserving to win.

Whereas someone white can just be themselves.

You have people like Helen, Chloe etc. who can do all types of crap and be voted winner. Yet a black girl has to be non controversial and different, and also just be lucky that the remaining people are hated, which lets face it, if they made it to the final week, it's tough.

So that's where I have to disagree, that it is based on race sometimes.

But I don't know, when you have an intruder white girl that wins, and a racist white gay trump supporter beating her to get runner up which Deborah should have gotten in the least, I don't want to think it's because she's black, but I don't know. It is because she's black. Wake up people. Smh.

[Jian Yang]

Me? Never!


It's people like you who continue to make colour a 'thing', and not just in BB. The UK is so progressive when it comes to race and colour nowadays, it makes me proud to be British, we are one of, if not the most progressive countries in the world where no matter the race, we're treated equal (and that is the case on the whole, it's pretty much fact). Saying 'oh somebody didn't win BB because they're black' is actually damaging., it's a step backwards.

Get a grip, colour will continue to be a thing all the time you make it a thing. Debs was a good HM, she done very well, and was beaten by the other two most popular in the house. I call Deborah, 'Deborah'.

[chuff me dizzy]

It's people like you who continue to make colour a 'thing', and not just in BB. The UK is so progressive when it comes to race and colour nowadays, it makes me proud to be British, we are one of, if not the most progressive countries in the world where no matter the race, we're treated equal (and that is the case on the whole, it's pretty much fact). Saying 'oh somebody didn't win BB because they're black' is actually damaging., it's a step backwards.

Get a grip, colour will continue to be a thing all the time you make it a thing. Debs was a good HM, she done very well, and was beaten by the other two most popular in the house. I call Deborah, 'Deborah'.

:clap1: THIS is what causes racism

[Headie]

It's people like you who continue to make colour a 'thing', and not just in BB. The UK is so progressive when it comes to race and colour nowadays, it makes me proud to be British, we are one of, if not the most progressive countries in the world where no matter the race, we're treated equal (and that is the case on the whole, it's pretty much fact). Saying 'oh somebody didn't win BB because they're black' is actually damaging., it's a step backwards.

Get a grip, colour will continue to be a thing all the time you make it a thing. Debs was a good HM, she done very well, and was beaten by the other two most popular in the house. I call Deborah, 'Deborah'.

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[Northern Monkey]

It's people like you who continue to make colour a 'thing', and not just in BB. The UK is so progressive when it comes to race and colour nowadays, it makes me proud to be British, we are one of, if not the most progressive countries in the world where no matter the race, we're treated equal (and that is the case on the whole, it's pretty much fact). Saying 'oh somebody didn't win BB because they're black' is actually damaging., it's a step backwards.

Get a grip, colour will continue to be a thing all the time you make it a thing. Debs was a good HM, she done very well, and was beaten by the other two most popular in the house. I call Deborah, 'Deborah'.

Yep!People making race an issue is what causes racism

[Jian Yang]

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Glad to see you can back up your argument.

[Headie]

Glad to see you can back up your argument.

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[Marsh.]

Is Issy a black woman?

[Cherry Christmas]

It's people like you who continue to make colour a 'thing', and not just in BB. The UK is so progressive when it comes to race and colour nowadays, it makes me proud to be British, we are one of, if not the most progressive countries in the world where no matter the race, we're treated equal (and that is the case on the whole, it's pretty much fact). Saying 'oh somebody didn't win BB because they're black' is actually damaging., it's a step backwards.

Get a grip, colour will continue to be a thing all the time you make it a thing. Debs was a good HM, she done very well, and was beaten by the other two most popular in the house. I call Deborah, 'Deborah'.

Well said, at any other time this thread would be 29 pages long with bandwagon jumping but given the blonde white girl they were all supporting just won its a bit awks :laugh:

[Jian Yang]

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Is that you playing/faking the race card, then all of a sudden realising no one cares?

[Captain.Remy]

Nah it's done for good this time.
Deborah was the one, loved by so many people and had the perfect journey and voice.

[chuff me dizzy]

Yep!People making race an issue is what causes racism

:clap1:

[Daniel-X]

I don't see why not

[854]

Also, people pay to vote to evict/save, vote to win.

You really think people are gonna pay to vote for a black girl to win? Wake the hell up, please.

All the reality shows here in America I don't think you have to pay to vote. Unless you're texting which if you have unlimited texting which everyone does, then it's free.

But in the UK that crap comes out of their pocket. So. There's that as well.

[Headie]

Is that you playing/faking the race card, then all of a sudden realising no one cares?

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[Headie]

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[Ant.]

I'd like to take this moment to appreciate Hayden and his support for Sue and the sisters this series :love:

[Headie]

I'd like to take this moment to appreciate Hayden and his support for Sue and the sisters this series :love:

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[smudgie]

Yes, I think so.
Deborah came very close to it this series.
I really think Hannah could have had a lot to do with her not getting there.
That and the fact that she was up against such strong competition.
Raph and more so Issy were just too good to beat.

[bots]

James published the official voting % . Izzy blew away all the opposition with 50% of the vote .... everyone. The public voted for someone overwhelmingly because of her character and attitude. That's a fact.

Let me repeat, character and attitude is what wins BB

[Marsh.]

Let me repeat, character and attitude is what wins BB

Which is why 90% of the winners are devoid of any personality or character?

[Jian Yang]

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Coming from the person who created them by bringing race into something race has no business in. :hee:

[bots]

Which is why 90% of the winners are devoid of any personality or character?

i disagree

[Northern Monkey]

Which is why 90% of the winners are devoid of any personality or character?

I'd disagree with that.Infact most have had more character and personality than Isabelle

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Too aggressive

[Marsh.]

I'd disagree with that.Infact most have had more character and personality than Isabelle

That's like saying "A swimming pool being deeper than a pond doesn't matter as there are shallower puddles". :smug:

[Jack_]

Which is why 90% of the winners are devoid of any personality or character?

:laugh2:

[Jack_]

How can people think that's not true when Sam Evans is a thing

[James]

I thought Deborah had a chance until the late Isabelle surge.

[Robodog]

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. "

Martin Luther King, Jr.


Thankfully, most of us agree with this.

Some people still have some catching up to do.

[lewis111]

We aren't judging people on their colour though
We are just stating a fact that a black woman has never one and probably never will - which leads to the question is it because others are judging people on their skin colour

[Mullens123]

No a black woman will never win.

All you have to do is see the way people reacted to Deborah in comparison to others this series, and how the subject of race is reacted to by individuals who themselves won't be facing racial prejudice.

[ClaireS92]

Oh please don t play the race card and this comes from someone who genuinely was a big Anti Racist Campaigner years ago so its not because i m a racist myself or would support any sh*t like that that I say this. It had absolutley nothing to do with that it had mre to do with not just her supporting Hannah's fakeness too often but I think maybe aking up fakeness herself early on too both to get extra airtme also think enough saw through the coy Im shy fake routine around Kieran which was done because she thought people would find it entertaining if she acted that way around him.No way can you be that shy if you ve had your clit pierced .

[Robodog]

We aren't judging people on their colour though
We are just stating a fact that a black woman has never one and probably never will - which leads to the question is it because others are judging people on their skin colour

1. You say 'we aren't judging people on their colour'. You then go on to say that 'a black woman has never won and probably never will'. Clearly that is a statement of judgement, based entirely on colour.

2. You then ask 'are other people (namely BB viewers) judging contestants on their skin colour?' Let's look at 2 recent examples:

Last night Deborah came 3rd out of 22 contestants. A great achievement for any housemate. The most prominent chant from the finals crowd last night was 'Deborah Deborah!' Clearly she was very popular and loved. Some may have loved her because she was black but most people loved her because of the content of her character and rightly so.

Another example is Pauline in BB15. An older black female, she received perhaps the best launch night reception i have ever seen. Launch night requires that people make snap judgements based on shallow 1st impressions of the new HMs, and Pauline's was overwhelmingly positive. So much so, that out of ALL the new HMs, it was Pauline who was voted the people's choice of 'Power Housemate'. Confirmation of the BB voting public embracing a black, older female based entirely on first impressions, and they chose her above all the other contestants. If anything it was positive discrimination. I think they loved the idea of an older black female doing well, hence all the cheers and the votes for her.

Pauline was loved, validated and made all powerful by the BB voting public. It was hers to lose. But lose it she did. Not because of her skin colour, but because of the content of her character. Everyone judged her on first impressions and they loved her. It was her character that eventually let her down from those positive first judgements.

It's pretty darn insulting to imply there is mass racism in the BB voting public especially in the face of such constant positivity. That kind of talk creates racial divide when there is none It also absolves contestants of any kind of responsibility for their actions to say 'oh you only didn't win because you were black'. How shallow.

Well the BB voters are much smarter than that. This show is a trailblazer for diversity and unique individuals. Look at the BOTS audience. Look at winners such as Luke A and Brian Belo. Look at the love for Pauline and for Deborah last night. This is the reality and it's time some people started to get on board with this positivity or they themselves run the risk of holding up any positive progress.

[Denver]

Sandi Bogle is coming

[johne]

I was going to post my disgust at the racism behind this thread, but there's no need, Robodog said it better, and more politely than I ever could -

"It's pretty darn insulting to imply there is mass racism in the BB voting public especially in the face of such constant positivity. That kind of talk creates racial divide when there is none It also absolves contestants of any kind of responsibility for their actions to say 'oh you only didn't win because you were black'. How shallow.

Well the BB voters are much smarter than that. This show is a trailblazer for diversity and unique individuals. Look at the BOTS audience. Look at winners such as Luke A and Brian Belo. Look at the love for Pauline and for Deborah last night. This is the reality and it's time some people started to get on board with this positivity or they themselves run the risk of holding up any positive progress."

[snail69]

This is a boring over played topic. I say this as a mixed race man(my dad is African American). Race does not matter, if the USA can have a black president then the UK can have a black Big Brother winner. You're the one that makes all the threads about black people so in my opinion you're the only one with a problem.

I'm not saying racism doesn't exist it does and I've been a victim of it before but to imply that everyone is racist says a lot about yourself and how you see the world. I feel bad for you to be honest.

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[Withano]

I'd imagine so, if they were the most liked housemate. Gina would have won if Dexter never made the final. Her fanbase was splitting their votes though.

[chuff me dizzy]

1. You say 'we aren't judging people on their colour'. You then go on to say that 'a black woman has never won and probably never will'. Clearly that is a statement of judgement, based entirely on colour.

2. You then ask 'are other people (namely BB viewers) judging contestants on their skin colour?' Let's look at 2 recent examples:

Last night Deborah came 3rd out of 22 contestants. A great achievement for any housemate. The most prominent chant from the finals crowd last night was 'Deborah Deborah!' Clearly she was very popular and loved. Some may have loved her because she was black but most people loved her because of the content of her character and rightly so.

Another example is Pauline in BB15. An older black female, she received perhaps the best launch night reception i have ever seen. Launch night requires that people make snap judgements based on shallow 1st impressions of the new HMs, and Pauline's was overwhelmingly positive. So much so, that out of ALL the new HMs, it was Pauline who was voted the people's choice of 'Power Housemate'. Confirmation of the BB voting public embracing a black, older female based entirely on first impressions, and they chose her above all the other contestants. If anything it was positive discrimination. I think they loved the idea of an older black female doing well, hence all the cheers and the votes for her.

Pauline was loved, validated and made all powerful by the BB voting public. It was hers to lose. But lose it she did. Not because of her skin colour, but because of the content of her character. Everyone judged her on first impressions and they loved her. It was her character that eventually let her down from those positive first judgements.

It's pretty darn insulting to imply there is mass racism in the BB voting public especially in the face of such constant positivity. That kind of talk creates racial divide when there is none It also absolves contestants of any kind of responsibility for their actions to say 'oh you only didn't win because you were black'. How shallow.

Well the BB voters are much smarter than that. This show is a trailblazer for diversity and unique individuals. Look at the BOTS audience. Look at winners such as Luke A and Brian Belo. Look at the love for Pauline and for Deborah last night. This is the reality and it's time some people started to get on board with this positivity or they themselves run the risk of holding up any positive progress.

:clap1:

[Mullens123]

You literally just have to go onto the Deborah is third or Hannah has been evicted posts on facebook to see people using racial slurs or using skin colour is a derogatory manner.

Guess its overshadowed by this constant positivity that has seen women of colour place no higher than 3rd in 17 years.

Just because a transgender individual wins Big Brother doesn't mean transphobia isn't an existing force among the general public, same as a gay person winning doesn't denounce homophobia and a woman winning doesn't imply sexism has ended. Saying these things isn't claiming that the ENTIRE public feels this way, but even if 5-10% of a viewing audience hold prejudice or bigoted views it makes a difference and creates a climate where people will struggle to win simply because of gender, race, sexuality etc.

[Underscore]

*yawn*

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[Underscore]

Sandi Bogle is coming

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but still sad

would've preferred sandra in

[nonstop]

These stale threads

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[sungrass]

I voted yes, because, I voted yes. I don't have to explain why.

But thinking realistically, no I have to be honest and say I don't think a black woman has a good chance at winning bbuk. I would love to eat my words, but I don't know.

I don't live in England, I live in America, but I can assume the same rules apply, and black people, let alone black women always get the short end of the stick in situations like that. I don't know. I was really certain that Deborah was going to win.

I know because I'm black and gay and understand.

Brian Belo who is a black man won when it was on Channel 4. But he was kinda normal and not what people expected of him. I don't know if Brian acted more like a chav or gangster he would have won. If he acted the way he did in the Time Warp task couple seasons ago, he would not have won. Or if he was in any other house that he probably would not have won. But even though Brian was black, he wasn't over the top and seemed normal. Also coupled with the fact Liam who I would say was in good standing to win didn't already win that task and win 100k, Brian I don't think would have won. I guess people didn't vote for the twins as they assumed they would win. The other people in the final were not deserving at all to be winners.

But going back, I think for a black female to win, she has to be different.

With black women it's hard to do that. They are always, ALWAYS, the diva, sista, sassy woman, and that's fine, and even though they are being themselves, for some reason, which in my own opinion might be related to racism, the viewers find that offensive.

I think the only exceptions to the rule is to find a black girl that isn't what we normally expect, and the closest we got was maybe Alison in BB4, Dawn in BB7, Sophia RIP in bb10, Ife in BB11, and Sam from BB16. Every other black girl has been the diva, sassy type which again there is nothing wrong with that, but for some reasons, the viewers don't like that. Well they might not hate her, but they won't vote her the winner. If she doesn't get on the other contestants nerves, she will make it to final and most likely get 4th place or so.

Other than that, she's most always the first or second one out.

So coupled with the fact she has to be different, she also just has to be lucky and be in final where the rest of the people aren't deserving to win.

Whereas someone white can just be themselves.

You have people like Helen, Chloe etc. who can do all types of crap and be voted winner. Yet a black girl has to be non controversial and different, and also just be lucky that the remaining people are hated, which lets face it, if they made it to the final week, it's tough.

So that's where I have to disagree, that it is based on race sometimes.

But I don't know, when you have an intruder white girl that wins, and a racist white gay trump supporter beating her to get runner up which Deborah should have gotten in the least, I don't want to think it's because she's black, but I don't know. It is because she's black. Wake up people. Smh.


I agree with you - Deborah was brilliant - it just depends who you are upagainst - Helen only won because she given a pass to the final - otherwise she would have been evicted by week 1/2

[Robodog]

You literally just have to go onto the Deborah is third or Hannah has been evicted posts on facebook to see people using racial slurs or using skin colour is a derogatory manner.

Guess its overshadowed by this constant positivity that has seen women of colour place no higher than 3rd in 17 years.

Just because a transgender individual wins Big Brother doesn't mean transphobia isn't an existing force among the general public, same as a gay person winning doesn't denounce homophobia and a woman winning doesn't imply sexism has ended. Saying these things isn't claiming that the ENTIRE public feels this way, but even if 5-10% of a viewing audience hold prejudice or bigoted views it makes a difference and creates a climate where people will struggle to win simply because of gender, race, sexuality etc.

Well you can either focus on the ever-increasing positives (of which there is PLENTY of solid evidence for in the BB world) take heart, and build upon that.

Or you can focus on the negatives (for which there is no solid evidence, just questions and implications in the minds of the accusers), feel downhearted about those questions and keep going round in circles, ignoring all that positive progress that IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING.

I'm sure there are individuals making stupid remarks on social media. I'm sure they always will be. I don't think it's realistic to expect to be able to silence every voice that you don't agree with. Attempting to do that runs the risk of becoming fascist yourself.

As Salman Rushdie said:

"One of the problems with defending free speech is you often have to defend people that you find to be outrageous and unpleasant and disgusting."

That's what a free, healthy society looks like. Fortunately most people are pretty awake on such issues and see the person, not the pigeon-hole. It's happening more and more. Especially on Big Brother.

But seriously, take heart, look at the overwhelming evidence to the positive regarding BB the good it does for society, embracing all manner of individuals from all backgrounds. This show celebrates it like no other. It leads the way for public awareness and acceptance for say, trans-individuals: Luke A, Lauren Harries, Kellie Malonie etc.

As for whether or why not a black female will ever win. Well it's up to those individuals isn't it? Pauline had every chance of winning but she blew it by being spiteful.

Deborah got very close to winning yesterday. She was lovely. But people also liked Raph and Isabelle. They were lovely too. Anyone who suggests the Raph/Isabelle voters were voting them out of some kind of 'unspoken racism' towards Deborah are seriously deluding themselves. Where does that get you?

The progress for anti-racism requires two things:

1. That people stop being racist
2. That people acknowledge when this is happening.

It cuts both ways.

Or we get nowhere.

[Tom4784]

Yes but it's unlikely. There's a definite prejudice against them, Sue is a prime example of this due to how the crowd booed her before she even spoke, the only thing we knew about her was that she was a black woman and the crowd booed.

There's been a number of black female HMs that have received undue hate when they haven't really been villains either. It's quite undeniable that black female HMs have way more of a mountain to climb than most, another example of this is Debs and Hannah this series when they'd get the stereotypical 'aggressive' edit and commentary from people when they were often provoked by more aggressive people looking for a reaction.

I think it's undeniable that, at this point, if you are a black female you will typically have a harder time then you would if you were the exact same person but white.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

No I don't see colour x

:joker:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

if it was BB Nigeria or anywhere there was say a 8% white population it would be the same thread but about a white winner

lets face facts

[Littlegreen]

I'd like to think so, but I'm fully aware of how bigoted and some people still are in this day and age.

Always hope.

[Cherry Christmas]

if it was BB Nigeria or anywhere there was say a 8% white population it would be the same thread but about a white winner

lets face facts

How dare you every winner of BB Africa has been white

[Mullens123]

Well you can either focus on the ever-increasing positives (of which there is PLENTY of solid evidence for in the BB world) take heart, and build upon that.

Or you can focus on the negatives (for which there is no solid evidence, just questions and implications in the minds of the accusers), feel downhearted about those questions and keep going round in circles, ignoring all that positive progress that IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING.

I'm sure there are individuals making stupid remarks on social media. I'm sure they always will be. I don't think it's realistic to expect to be able to silence every voice that you don't agree with. Attempting to do that runs the risk of becoming fascist yourself.

As Salman Rushdie said:

"One of the problems with defending free speech is you often have to defend people that you find to be outrageous and unpleasant and disgusting."

That's what a free, healthy society looks like. Fortunately most people are pretty awake on such issues and see the person, not the pigeon-hole. It's happening more and more. Especially on Big Brother.

But seriously, take heart, look at the overwhelming evidence to the positive regarding BB the good it does for society, embracing all manner of individuals from all backgrounds. This show celebrates it like no other. It leads the way for public awareness and acceptance for say, trans-individuals: Luke A, Lauren Harries, Kellie Malonie etc.

As for whether or why not a black female will ever win. Well it's up to those individuals isn't it? Pauline had every chance of winning but she blew it by being spiteful.

Deborah got very close to winning yesterday. She was lovely. But people also liked Raph and Isabelle. They were lovely too. Anyone who suggests the Raph/Isabelle voters were voting them out of some kind of 'unspoken racism' towards Deborah are seriously deluding themselves. Where does that get you?

The progress for anti-racism requires two things:

1. That people stop being racist
2. That people acknowledge when this is happening.

It cuts both ways.

Or we get nowhere.

But what ARE the ever increasing positives? If anything minorities are performing worse in Big Brother now than they ever have before, and Deborah coming third/Pauline getting cheers on launch isn't going to be enough proof to convince a lot of people otherwise. Especially when Isabelle won in a landslide vote last night, so Deborah wasn't close beyond her top 3 placement. As for there being no solid evidence... its on our screens... you can have Kieran mention he's slept with 350 women and get cheers from an audience, but a girl talking about sex and steering away from conflict can evoke some of the harshest responses from the viewing audience.

Nowhere did I say I want to silence the bigoted comments online. I'm using them as an example to show that these views are still very much alive among people, and that will play a part in the results of the show being watched.

It just feels almost like a political party telling people how they should and shouldn't feel about a situation, and that 'evidence' shows how things are so much better when many aren't finding things so merry. As much as I'd like to say one day these issues won't be around (especially in something as trivial as a reality tv show), I don't think we are near a point of removing prejudice views that have been ingrained into society for years.

if it was BB Nigeria or anywhere there was say a 8% white population it would be the same thread but about a white winner

lets face facts

And that would be a form of prejudice... not exactly difficult to say.

[Marsh.]

And that would be a form of prejudice... not exactly difficult to say.

A country will a very small minority of white people would be prejudice for having a lot of black winners?

:joker::joker::joker:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

How dare you every winner of BB Africa has been white

:hehe:

[Mullens123]

A country will a very small minority of white people would be prejudice for having a lot of black winners?

:joker::joker::joker:

No, it would be a form of prejudice if a country of a small minority of white people had a housemate who was white, and given unfair treatment due to being white.

Not sure why its so difficult to wrap your head around the simple argument... no one is saying Big Brother should have had 17 black female winners... the argument isn't even that any non-white women should have won at this point. It's that there are far too many cases where women of colour have clearly been treated differently, with both the language and actions against them strongly implying prejudice. The same can be said for women in general on reality tv, who are clearly treated in a completely different manner even if they do the exact same thing as a male counterpart.

[Marsh.]

Not sure why its so difficult to wrap your head around the simple argument...

Yeah, try making a point without insulting people and they may be more willing to read it. :thumbs:

[Mullens123]

Yeah, try making a point without insulting people and they may be more willing to read it. :thumbs:

If you think that is insulting you then what a mess :joker:

[Marsh.]

If you think that is insulting you then what a mess :joker:

Hilarious.

[JayGreen]

Sorry, this thread is a yearly tradition, wouldn't be the same without it x

Yes, god yes!!!!

[Mullens123]

Hilarious.

:( x

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[Robodog]

As for there being no solid evidence... its on our screens... you can have Kieran mention he's slept with 350 women and get cheers from an audience, but a girl talking about sex and steering away from conflict can evoke some of the harshest responses from the viewing audience.
.

On the flipside you have Sinitta performing 'So Macho' on BOTS last night, surrounded by topless, greased-up, gyrating, stereotypical 'hunks'.

Can you imagine the reverse of that: seeing an 80s male popstar singing a song about his ideal girl being 'So Girlie', surrounded by topless, greased-up, gyrating, stereotypical 'dolly birds'?


Ich don't think so.... :nono:

[Marsh.]

On the flipside you have Sinitta performing 'So Macho' on BOTS last night, surrounded by topless, greased-up, gyrating, stereotypical 'hunks'.

Can you imagine the reverse of that: seeing an 80s male popstar singing a song about his ideal girl being 'So Girlie', surrounded by topless, greased-up, gyrating, stereotypical 'dolly birds'?


Ich don't think so.... :nono:

Well you don't need to go back to the 80s to see something like that on a daily basis on the music channels.

[Ashsleigh]

If they're good, they're good, and people will vote for them.

Seems like, you can't really win on here. If a male wins, it's a lack of equality for females and if a female wins, but she's white, it's a lack of equality for black females.

When BB finally gets one in without a vile attitude and who doesn't throw the race card every 5 minutes,maybe ...but not if they carry on with the types they put in every year

Sort of agree with this, apart from the race card thing. The show casts stereotypes that are usually disliked by the British public. Deborah was an exception to this and that's why she had so much support.

[Robodog]

Well you don't need to go back to the 80s to see something like that on a daily basis on the music channels.

Ha true :laugh:

Sex sells and probably always will

[Denver]

CBB20 winner - Sandi Bogle
CBB21 winner - Sandra Martin
CBB Allstars winner - Tiffany Pollard

[Wizard.]

Sandi's coming for the CBB crown!

[Robodog]

It's sad to think when we do have a BB winner who is black and female, there will be people who will be celebrating it simply because they are black and female.

It would be as narrow-minded and basic as people celebrating Jason's win last year simply because he was white and male.

I don't remember people on this or other forums cheering for him for those reasons!

Thankfully most BB viewers vote and celebrate based on personality, not on pigeon-holes.

Hard for some people to accept that. But it's true.

[Marsh.]

It's sad to think when we do have a BB winner who is black and female, there will be people who will be celebrating it simply because they are black and female.

It would be as narrow-minded and basic as people celebrating Jason's win last year simply because he was white and male.

I don't remember people on this or other forums cheering for him for those reasons!

Thankfully most BB viewers vote and celebrate based on personality, not on pigeon-holes.

Hard for some people to accept that. But it's true.

Tbf, that's two very different things. White males haven't faced the same struggles.

That's like saying straight couples don't face the same celebration at Pride as gay couples. Well, straight couples haven't had to fight for acceptance.

[CaPPa]

So racism and sexism combine? We can have a black male or white female winner but not a black woman? That is ridiculous.

If a black woman was the best character then she'd win, it's just this season the best character was orange.

[Ashsleigh]

So racism and sexism combine? We can have a black male or white female winner but not a black woman? That is ridiculous.

If a black woman was the best character then she'd win, it's just this season the best character was orange.

:laugh2:

[Marsh.]

So racism and sexism combine? We can have a black male or white female winner but not a black woman? That is ridiculous.

If a black woman was the best character then she'd win, it's just this season the best character was orange.

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Ashsleigh]

It's people like you who continue to make colour a 'thing', and not just in BB. The UK is so progressive when it comes to race and colour nowadays, it makes me proud to be British, we are one of, if not the most progressive countries in the world where no matter the race, we're treated equal (and that is the case on the whole, it's pretty much fact). Saying 'oh somebody didn't win BB because they're black' is actually damaging., it's a step backwards.

Get a grip, colour will continue to be a thing all the time you make it a thing. Debs was a good HM, she done very well, and was beaten by the other two most popular in the house. I call Deborah, 'Deborah'.

Well said.

[Robodog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ

Morgan Freeman tells it straight.

MUST WATCH !!

[Mullens123]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ

Morgan Freeman tells it straight.

MUST WATCH !!

Thank God Morgan spoke about black women in BBUK. I was worried not enough celebrities were getting behind the campaign :(

[The Grinch]

Thank God Morgan spoke about black women in BBUK. I was worried not enough celebrities were getting behind the campaign :(

:joker::joker:.

[Headie]

These reactions are exactly what I expected

https://media.tenor.com/images/a0c2dd9931e2bdd4e5fabb36f65e7538/tenor.gif

[Robodog]

Thank God Morgan spoke about black women in BBUK. I was worried not enough celebrities were getting behind the campaign :(

I thought anyone with a serious interest in dissolving racial inequality would be interested in what he had to say

[reece(:]

Thank God Morgan spoke about black women in BBUK. I was worried not enough celebrities were getting behind the campaign :(

:joker::joker:

[arista]

Sorry, this thread is a yearly tradition, wouldn't be the same without it x


I blame the AFRICAN NATION
they came from
Hayden


IF they were not from that nation
one of them maybe the older one
could win.
UTTER FACT

[Ashsleigh]

These reactions are exactly what I expected

https://media.tenor.com/images/a0c2dd9931e2bdd4e5fabb36f65e7538/tenor.gif

Expected or wanted?

[Marsh.]

I blame the AFRICAN NATION
they came from
Hayden


IF they were not from that nation
one of them maybe the older one
could win.
UTTER FACT

:unsure:

[Robodog]

Expected or wanted?

Exactly

When people complain about a problem, but then reject anything which offers or even resembles a solution, you begin to wonder what their real game is..

:suspect:

[Rustic bauble]

Tired of the racism? Me too

https://uploadir.com/u/43zsofih


You keep bringing it up time and time again...it's not about colour it's about character personality and like ability.
Deborah could have done well but IMO Hannah was her downfall for being nasty aggressive and playing the victim.

[Binbin]

well sure. but only if the black woman in question deserves it - and on BB, there's hardly been a single player that did deserve it

The issue seems to be more about whether the HM is English or not. It would be interesting to see how a black English female would do against people from other nations who are white though.

[Headie]

Expected or wanted?

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[TaylorCallum]

Maybe if they are transracial. Rachel Dolezal for CBB?

[Rustic bauble]

Yes but it's unlikely. There's a definite prejudice against them, Sue is a prime example of this due to how the crowd booed her before she even spoke, the only thing we knew about her was that she was a black woman and the crowd booed.

There's been a number of black female HMs that have received undue hate when they haven't really been villains either. It's quite undeniable that black female HMs have way more of a mountain to climb than most, another example of this is Debs and Hannah this series when they'd get the stereotypical 'aggressive' edit and commentary from people when they were often provoked by more aggressive people looking for a reaction.

I think it's undeniable that, at this point, if you are a black female you will typically have a harder time then you would if you were the exact same person but white.


What a load of rubbish...
Plenty of housemates get negativity when they are not necessarily unlikeable..take Raph for instance along with Tom Charlotte Ellie Kieron...none of them were bad people but they got a lot of vitriol on here.

So let's just be reasonable..

[LukeB]

It's people like you who continue to make colour a 'thing', and not just in BB. The UK is so progressive when it comes to race and colour nowadays, it makes me proud to be British, we are one of, if not the most progressive countries in the world where no matter the race, we're treated equal (and that is the case on the whole, it's pretty much fact). Saying 'oh somebody didn't win BB because they're black' is actually damaging., it's a step backwards.

Get a grip, colour will continue to be a thing all the time you make it a thing. Debs was a good HM, she done very well, and was beaten by the other two most popular in the house. I call Deborah, 'Deborah'.

Not everyone is treated equally in this country though :shrug: and there's a group called the EDL :umm2:

But on RTV there's been no equality whatsoever. If they was we would have had a black female winner by now, Saara Aalto would have won x factor (they are comments about she shouldn't be on a british show because she's not british..equality that is not) they are loads of examples

[Headie]

Sandi is coming for that win :clap1:

[Gstar]

https://uploadir.com/u/x2su6923

[JayGreen]

What a silly question thats like saying can a gay person win big brother, how silly of course they can. Why even ask this! Its about people judging you on your behaviour, sexuality or race have nothing to do with it. If you act vile, attitude and like you the next best thing to sliced bread you aint gonna win people will be put off. In The nicest possible ways.

[Underscore]

Sandiiiii is our saviourrrrr for our causeeeeee

[JayGreen]

Sandiiiii is our saviourrrrr for our causeeeeee

She can win!!

[JayGreen]

Can we stop this thread please i feel like its not needed. You win because of you personality not your skin tone so why we even talking out this? I mean no disrespect but in this day and age this shouldn't even be a topic of discussion.

[Underscore]

She can win!!

Hope she does

She's an absolutely amazing candidate for winner

[JayGreen]

Hope she does

She's an absolutely amazing candidate for winner

I love her so me too! I love her!!

[y.winter]

I was thinking about this thread when she came in. She stands a good chance of winning it if she holds up to her reputation and doesn't flop. What an amazing reception :clap1:

[Vicky.]

Not everyone is treated equally in this country though :shrug: and there's a group called the EDL :umm2:

But on RTV there's been no equality whatsoever. If they was we would have had a black female winner by now, Saara Aalto would have won x factor (they are comments about she shouldn't be on a british show because she's not british..equality that is not) they are loads of examples

I don't think this is fair, its not often the best singer actually wins the x factor, lets be honest :laugh: The show is notorious for having crappy winners compared to the actual entrants to the show.

As for the argument about having a black female winner by now, not necessarily. 10% of the British population is black, and thats being generous too, I suspect the actual figures will be lower. So this means, averagely, every 10 series...we should have a black winner. And this is completely ignoring everything else, like personalities and such and going solely on colour of housemates. So if we stick rigidly to the stats, we have another 2 years before even the averages don't equal out properly :laugh:

Now, it is quite clear that black women do sometimes get a bit of a raw deal on BB. I do not feel it has happened this year though...or for a few years actually, which is hopeful that this will continue. I don't think it helps that the black female housemates do tend to be a lot more argumentative, and dare I say, aggressive than others. However...BB seems to stick to stereotypes a LOT, especially these days. For example, females in general on BB seem to be a lot more argumentative and bitchy than males. Usually meaning that the female cast is by far better than the male one. And in turn meaning that females are voted out quicker (when vote to evict is used obviously)

I genuinely do think Deborah would have won if not for 2 things. If Lotan had not snapped with Isabelle (if it had been Deborah who had been his undoing, even better for Debs) and if Hannah not gone in, or had left earlier on...even just at the 'fake eviction'. I think that would have made a lot of difference. Hannah did drag Deborah down, when Hannah was 'gone' Deborah had so much more fun and was much more relaxed.

I don't think it helps anyone to keep up these cries of racism as often as has happened this year.

Yes, a few BB viewers are undeniably racist. Just like some of the population are undeniably racist. Enough to actually affect the voting results? I doubt it, even with the ridiculously low viewing figures.

[DouglasS]

Were'nt the first two female winners of the XF either mixed race or black, and that has far more viewing figures and a greater percentage of the public watching, and was over 10 years ago, being less PC.

I don't think skin colour has anything to do with it - Gina was going to win BB14 before she ruined her final 2 weeks.

I agree with Vicky, Hannah ruined Deborah's chances, had she gone a bit earlier she'd have won I reckon. People either blindly defended Hannah because they liked her Deborah, which annoyed people, or the other way round, blindly disliked Deborah beccause of her sisters actions or Deborah getting involved in her sisters drama. It was very rare for Deborah to actually cause any drama/problem, whereas Hannah was lifes victim

[bbfanzo]

the whole topic of this thread is offensive and mongering

grow up people

[Pete.]

Let's go Sandi :clap1:

[LukeB]

I don't think this is fair, its not often the best singer actually wins the x factor, lets be honest :laugh: The show is notorious for having crappy winners compared to the actual entrants to the show.

As for the argument about having a black female winner by now, not necessarily. 10% of the British population is black, and thats being generous too, I suspect the actual figures will be lower. So this means, averagely, every 10 series...we should have a black winner. And this is completely ignoring everything else, like personalities and such and going solely on colour of housemates. So if we stick rigidly to the stats, we have another 2 years before even the averages don't equal out properly :laugh:

Now, it is quite clear that black women do sometimes get a bit of a raw deal on BB. I do not feel it has happened this year though...or for a few years actually, which is hopeful that this will continue. I don't think it helps that the black female housemates do tend to be a lot more argumentative, and dare I say, aggressive than others. However...BB seems to stick to stereotypes a LOT, especially these days. For example, females in general on BB seem to be a lot more argumentative and bitchy than males. Usually meaning that the female cast is by far better than the male one. And in turn meaning that females are voted out quicker (when vote to evict is used obviously)

I genuinely do think Deborah would have won if not for 2 things. If Lotan had not snapped with Isabelle (if it had been Deborah who had been his undoing, even better for Debs) and if Hannah not gone in, or had left earlier on...even just at the 'fake eviction'. I think that would have made a lot of difference. Hannah did drag Deborah down, when Hannah was 'gone' Deborah had so much more fun and was much more relaxed.

I don't think it helps anyone to keep up these cries of racism as often as has happened this year.

Yes, a few BB viewers are undeniably racist. Just like some of the population are undeniably racist. Enough to actually affect the voting results? I doubt it, even with the ridiculously low viewing figures.

Yeah the best singer doesn't always win but when watching the finale they were soooo many comments on social media saying matt to win because he's british, saara shouldn't even be allowed on x factor because she isn't british and then Nicole said "get behind your own" which annoyed a few people and more comments about how she shouldn't win because she isn't british. So it just makes you think

Bbuk hasnt had a black winner for 10 years now and there hasn't been anymore but black females can never get past third. But i do have hope... sandi can win cbb because she is popular like Scarlett and is a favourite already.

Deborah had a great edit near the end which actually did make me think she could win. The final week editing is important look at Helen Wood vile for the rest of her stay but she had some sympathy edit the final week and won. I don't think past actions matters anymore.


I still think Raph would have won if it wasnt for the lotan thing etc he had it in the bag for weeks but isabelle took it.

I wonder if Raph spoke about this to people in the house because he has these type of convos a lot and its really interesting. Deborah and hannah talked about beating the statistics what raph told them.

[Dominic]

Were'nt the first two female winners of the XF either mixed race or black, and that has far more viewing figures and a greater percentage of the public watching, and was over 10 years ago, being less PC.

I don't think skin colour has anything to do with it - Gina was going to win BB14 before she ruined her final 2 weeks.

I agree with Vicky, Hannah ruined Deborah's chances, had she gone a bit earlier she'd have won I reckon. People either blindly defended Hannah because they liked her Deborah, which annoyed people, or the other way round, blindly disliked Deborah beccause of her sisters actions or Deborah getting involved in her sisters drama. It was very rare for Deborah to actually cause any drama/problem, whereas Hannah was lifes victim

This is true.

[bbfanzo]

Let's go Sandi :clap1:

because shes black?

imagine supporting someone just because they are white

[Pete.]

because shes black?

imagine supporting someone just because they are white
There are wars going on

[Headie]

Sandi is coming for that win :clap1:

Sandiiiii is our saviourrrrr for our causeeeeee

She can win!!

I was thinking about this thread when she came in. She stands a good chance of winning it if she holds up to her reputation and doesn't flop. What an amazing reception :clap1:

Let's go Sandi :clap1:

https://www.unilad.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/23749UNILAD-imageoptim-tumblr_m4ow9wVJkj1qji541o1_400.gif

[lewis111]

Sandi was not worthy at all of the title

[Shaun]

Azealia Banks is coming for CBB21!

[Samm]

when charley uchea wins UBB2 next year :love:

[Dominic]

how dare the racists evicct sandi!!!!!!!! :oh:

[Headie]

how dare the racists evicct sandi!!!!!!!! :oh:

https://images.gr-assets.com/hostedimages/1476319574ra/20826790.gif

[Headie]

There are wars going on

But Leona Lewis!! Brian Belo!! Alexandra Burke!!!

[Denver]

I hope all black women refuse future offers CBB dont deserve Queens

[Epic.]

I hope all black women refuse future offers CBB dont deserve Queens

Oh so you're automatically a queen if you're of black ethnicity + female then, i get it

[Tom4784]

Probably not, there's a sentiment in a lot of films and media which is basically that black people have to do twice as much to get half the recognition that white people do and in BB that's very true when it comes to black women.

You could have the perfect winner material housemate that just so happens to be a black woman and they'd still likely lose to a bland male that was either voted to win because they were inoffensive or you'd get a Helen/Bear situation.

[Daniel.]

Sandi didn't deserve it

[montblanc]

Probably not, there's a sentiment in a lot of films and media which is basically that black people have to do twice as much to get half the recognition that white people do and in BB that's very true when it comes to black women.

You could have the perfect winner material housemate that just so happens to be a black woman and they'd still likely lose to a bland male that was either voted to win because they were inoffensive or you'd get a Helen/Bear situation.

:clap1:

[Ashsleigh]

I don't think this is fair, its not often the best singer actually wins the x factor, lets be honest :laugh: The show is notorious for having crappy winners compared to the actual entrants to the show.

As for the argument about having a black female winner by now, not necessarily. 10% of the British population is black, and thats being generous too, I suspect the actual figures will be lower. So this means, averagely, every 10 series...we should have a black winner. And this is completely ignoring everything else, like personalities and such and going solely on colour of housemates. So if we stick rigidly to the stats, we have another 2 years before even the averages don't equal out properly :laugh:

Now, it is quite clear that black women do sometimes get a bit of a raw deal on BB. I do not feel it has happened this year though...or for a few years actually, which is hopeful that this will continue. I don't think it helps that the black female housemates do tend to be a lot more argumentative, and dare I say, aggressive than others. However...BB seems to stick to stereotypes a LOT, especially these days. For example, females in general on BB seem to be a lot more argumentative and bitchy than males. Usually meaning that the female cast is by far better than the male one. And in turn meaning that females are voted out quicker (when vote to evict is used obviously)

I genuinely do think Deborah would have won if not for 2 things. If Lotan had not snapped with Isabelle (if it had been Deborah who had been his undoing, even better for Debs) and if Hannah not gone in, or had left earlier on...even just at the 'fake eviction'. I think that would have made a lot of difference. Hannah did drag Deborah down, when Hannah was 'gone' Deborah had so much more fun and was much more relaxed.

I don't think it helps anyone to keep up these cries of racism as often as has happened this year.

Yes, a few BB viewers are undeniably racist. Just like some of the population are undeniably racist. Enough to actually affect the voting results? I doubt it, even with the ridiculously low viewing figures.

Fab post Vicky, agree with all of this.

The failure of females, specifically black females to do well in the show isn't down to sexism and/or racism but the fact that they're more often than not based on unlikable stereotypes. And I think that's a real shame.

[y.winter]

https://www.unilad.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/23749UNILAD-imageoptim-tumblr_m4ow9wVJkj1qji541o1_400.gif

She flopped so I was right anyway
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[Headie]

So we now have an answer to this thread question.

Well done to all those who voted no :thumbs:

[Denver]

Oh so you're automatically a queen if you're of black ethnicity + female then, i get it

Well yes unless proved otherwise

[Headie]

So we now have an answer to this thread question.

Well done to all those who voted no :thumbs:

Ddd I see all you sneaky people only voting No now :laugh: I already screenshotted who voted no before I bumped the thread!

https://i.snag.gy/OpbARW.jpg

[Rufus]

Ddd I see all you sneaky people only voting No now :laugh: I already screenshotted who voted no before I bumped the thread!

https://i.snag.gy/OpbARW.jpg

Damn the intelligent queen clocked me.

[Calderyon]

Very unlikely at this point.

[Headie]

Very unlikely at this point.

It's been confirmed tonight that the answer is no :thumbs:

[RileyH]

Kenny won tonight so

[Denver]

Tbf though Debbie technically won BB18

[Merry Mockmas]

If it hasn't happened after 31 series (plus Hijack) then it's never going to happen.

Although tbf I don't think that Kenaley deserved to win this series, a likeable person but just too dull imo.

[JerseyWins]

I voted now to be right :hugesmile: BBUK to return for one more season and the black girl wins?

Tiffany Pollard was robbed though, that should've been her crown to represent the BBUK/CBB black gals

[Moniqua]

My delusion made me think that Gina, Deborah, Tiffany and Makosi all stood a chance :( :bawling:

[Headie]

If Deborah couldn't win then I don't think any black woman ever could. She had the perfect winner's edit/storyline and yet still didn't win.

[Calderyon]

It's been confirmed tonight that the answer is no :thumbs:

That´s why meant when i said it´s very unlikely.

[Moniqua]

If Deborah couldn't win then I don't think any black woman ever could. She had the perfect winner's edit/storyline and yet still didn;t win.

That "Save Issy Campaign" really ruined Deborah's chances huh? :fist::bawling:

[Headie]

That "Save Issy Campaign" really ruined Deborah's chances huh? :fist::bawling:

Ugh Debs literally had all the qualities of the perfect winner:

-She was a superfan of the show
-She had become more and more likeable as the series progressed, ending up being the loveable series narrator
-She had a light-hearted flirtmance with Kieran
-She stood up for herself when attacked
-She was a single mother wanting to set a good example for her daughter and win the money for her
-She prioritised family over everything else

etc.

So I do think that her loss was the final piece of evidence to show that a black woman would never win the show.

[Merry Mockmas]

Yeah the best singer doesn't always win but when watching the finale they were soooo many comments on social media saying matt to win because he's british, saara shouldn't even be allowed on x factor because she isn't british and then Nicole said "get behind your own" which annoyed a few people and more comments about how she shouldn't win because she isn't british. So it just makes you think

Bbuk hasnt had a black winner for 10 years now and there hasn't been anymore but black females can never get past third. But i do have hope... sandi can win cbb because she is popular like Scarlett and is a favourite already.

Deborah had a great edit near the end which actually did make me think she could win. The final week editing is important look at Helen Wood vile for the rest of her stay but she had some sympathy edit the final week and won. I don't think past actions matters anymore.


I still think Raph would have won if it wasnt for the lotan thing etc he had it in the bag for weeks but isabelle took it.

I wonder if Raph spoke about this to people in the house because he has these type of convos a lot and its really interesting. Deborah and hannah talked about beating the statistics what raph told them.

My final three in that year wouldn't have even had Matt or 5AM in it as they either couldn't sing a note, or their Music genre was so beige it's on top of a screechy vocal in my view, so it just goes to show that the public don't vote on the Music element of the show at all sadly.

[Rob!]

Well I guess not now

[Cal.]

I suppose if Tiffany couldn’t do it no one could!

[Elliot]

Charley won the entire show

[Liam-]

Our Debs was robbed

[reece(:]

Charley won though?

[Merry Mockmas]

Ugh Debs literally had all the qualities of the perfect winner:

-She was a superfan of the show
-She had become more and more likeable as the series progressed, ending up being the loveable series narrator
-She had a light-hearted flirtmance with Kieran
-She stood up for herself when attacked
-She was a single mother wanting to set a good example for her daughter and win the money for her
-She prioritised family over everything else

etc.

So I do think that her loss was the final piece of evidence to show that a black woman would never win the show.

Her showmancing with Kieran was probably the only thing that was annoying about Deborah in my view and could've harmed her vote as the majority of the public hate Showmances.

[Elliot]

Also if the save issy campaigns weren’t a thing fking Raph would’ve won over debs :skull:

[Daniel.]

Isabelle deserved her win

[JerseyWins]

Also if the save issy campaigns weren’t a thing fking Raph would’ve won over debs :skull:
Actually, don't know that! With Issy out of the picture, Deborah could've gotten a lot of her votes in the F2 :omgno:

[Jigs]

yeah if Tiffany or Deborah couldn't do it, no one could.

BBUS and BBCAN are the same; no black female winners. Danielle Reyes and Ika Wong are the only two that came remotely close~

[Gstar]

No

[reece(:]

It's just not realistic

[armand.kay]

well I guess we have our answer
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4pTsh45Dg7jnDM6Q/giphy.gif

[Alf]

What do you think is the reason they haven't?

[montblanc]

What do you think is the reason they haven't?

they don’t cast that many to begin with

[montblanc]

and also racism but i’m tired of having that argument on here :)

[Tom4784]

What do you think is the reason they haven't?

Systemic racism.

If you're an attractive white man, you'll get far and likely win if you don't rock the boat. A dull white woman is always seen as 'down to earth'.

If you're a black woman that doesn't rock the boat, you'll be seen as boring, if you pipe up, you'll be seen as aggressive. Black people have to put in twice as much effort to be liked and seen as a winner then white people do.

[Elliot]

What do you think is the reason they haven't?

idk you tell me why tiffany ****ing pollard got less votes than two utr people and someone who cheated on their boyfriend on live tv

[Alf]

Systemic racism.

If you're an attractive white man, you'll get far and likely win if you don't rock the boat. A dull white woman is always seen as 'down to earth'.

If you're a black woman that doesn't rock the boat, you'll be seen as boring, if you pipe up, you'll be seen as aggressive. Black people have to put in twice as much effort to be liked and seen as a winner then white people do.The only people that have an influence on who wins are the the people who vote on Big Brother. Who'd have known they were just a bunch of racists? I take it you've never voted?

[Alf]

Does anybody on the forum own up to voting Kenaley out when she was up for eviction.

We'll soon find our racists.