The Golden Child ascends on a wave of CH 5 propaganda!

[Binbin]

It's probably no coincidence that Isabelle, as the only English HM, wins over a Welshy, a Nigerian and whatever Raph is. It isn't surprising at all.

Bah, if you're going to vote for best HM then it was Deborah or Tom. I just have to say that Tom's edits did not do him any justice at all. If Andrew and Raph's award to Tom for being the most fun are to be believed, and also Emma's out-of-house remarks about Tom being energetic and fun then WE HAVE BEEN FOOLED once again!

I am delighted Raph didn't win. The bias was nauseating. Plus, as an American, 2nd place is last place, so he'll just have to tap into his Japanese parts for love peace and harmony.

[Barry.]

It's probably no coincidence that Isabelle, as the only English HM, wins over a Welshy, a Nigerian and whatever Raph is. It isn't surprising at all.

Bah, if you're going to vote for best HM then it was Deborah or Tom. I just have to say that Tom's edits did not do him any justice at all. If Andrew and Raph's award to Tom for being the most fun are to be believed, and also Emma's out-of-house remarks about Tom being energetic and fun then WE HAVE BEEN FOOLED once again!

I am delighted Raph didn't win. The bias was nauseating. Plus, as an American, 2nd place is last place, so he'll just have to tap into his Japanese parts for love peace and harmony.

Cool.

[Ant.]

It's probably no coincidence that Isabelle, as the only English HM, wins over a Welshy, a Nigerian and whatever Raph is. It isn't surprising at all.

Bah, if you're going to vote for best HM then it was Deborah or Tom. I just have to say that Tom's edits did not do him any justice at all. If Andrew and Raph's award to Tom for being the most fun are to be believed, and also Emma's out-of-house remarks about Tom being energetic and fun then WE HAVE BEEN FOOLED once again!

I am delighted Raph didn't win. The bias was nauseating. Plus, as an American, 2nd place is last place, so he'll just have to tap into his Japanese parts for love peace and harmony.

:umm2: right, so people supporting their friend and a fellow forum member is nauseating, but comments about his race aren't? get outta here

[Amy Jade]

https://m.popkey.co/35f46f/mrm33.gif

[smudgie]

https://m.popkey.co/35f46f/mrm33.gif

Says it better than any words I could muster.

[y.winter]

Seriously, nobody cares about their origin.

[Epic.]

yikes

[lewis111]

The fact the American, the Welsh and the person born in Africa made the final shows people don't supprort people just because they are English
And Andrew the Scot kinda made the final too

[Binbin]

:umm2: right, so people supporting their friend and a fellow forum member is nauseating, but comments about his race aren't? get outta here

Well, it's a bit complicated, but it's not about race, it's about cultural identity, and how, in Raph's case, multiple identities might shape his persona.

He has an advantage because they might fuse together, like a an alloy, into a kind of super-identity. So, Raph can be American, and strategise to win, and also be Japanese and feel the pleasure of Isabelle's victory. Japanese culture is very interesting. And yes, the Japanese are a distinct race, so for them, it is ALL about race - but not for me, and I hope not for you.

[bots]

It was a dreadful year for cast members and it had nothing to do with where they came from, just their awful character. Isabelle and Raph were quite obviously the best of the bunch hence they finished top 2. Its not rocket science.

[Ant.]

Well, it's a bit complicated, but it's not about race, it's about cultural identity, and how, in Raph's case, multiple identities might shape his persona.

He has an advantage because they might fuse together, like a an alloy, into a kind of super-identity. So, Raph can be American, and strategise to win, and also be Japanese and feel the pleasure of Isabelle's victory. Japanese culture is very interesting. And yes, the Japanese are a distinct race, so for them, it is ALL about race - but not for me, and I hope not for you.

you're nasty BYE

[Shaun]

He was voted the most fun because he acts like a child all of the time. Most of the footage we saw of him drinking and partying were a little repetitive.

[Mystic Mock]

Oh Isabelle having the English support was always gonna be an advantage to her. But Tom did also have a few things in his corner that could've had him win but his behaviour in the first few weeks was not forgotten when it came down to it.

Sadly it looks like Raph and Deborah just couldn't get the momentum together to try and cross the finishing line, maybe it is because of the fact that a part American part Japanese guy is a minority within a minority? I'd like not to think like that but home territory does play a large part in how a result plays out. And Deborah being a black Nigerian woman is again three groups that are not exactly the most adored with the BB audiences so she did well to bag 3rd, really well.

[arista]

"whatever Raph is."


RAPH is from this Site
he is NOW a Future Star
if he takes the contracts on offer

[Withano]

I swear this forum has took a drastic fall in qualiy over the last 24 hours

[Barry.]

I swear this forum has took a drastic fall in qualiy over the last 24 hours

Yup...

[Withano]

Yup...

One day of no Issy updates, and this is what happens :(

[rusticgal]

I have to agree on the point that Raphs popularity on here was pretty much based on the fact that he was a fellow forum member and based on little else.
Some of us...and that includes myself, dared to point out negative sides and often set upon with ridiculous comments like.."well for someone who doesn't like Raph, you make a lot of posts about him"...or we were just put on ignore.
Pathetic really considering most were valid points. It kind of put me off posting anything...and that's sad considering it's a forum.

[Mystic Mock]

I have to agree on the point that Raphs popularity on here was pretty much based on the fact that he was a fellow forum member and based on little else.
Some of us...and that includes myself, dared to point out negative sides and often set upon with ridiculous comments like.."well for someone who doesn't like Raph, you make a lot of posts about him"...or we were just put on ignore.
Pathetic really considering most were valid points. It kind of put me off posting anything...and that's sad considering it's a forum.

So you don't think that most of the negative stuff that was said about Raph made him out to be more sinister than he actually was? Even in his eviction interview he was exactly the same as he was in the house.

I honestly think that there's more to my point that he lost because of no home territory than him bagging 2nd place purely off of TIBB because that is just impossible to do.

[rusticgal]

So you don't think that most of the negative stuff that was said about Raph made him out to be more sinister than he actually was? Even in his eviction interview he was exactly the same as he was in the house.

I honestly think that there's more to my point that he lost because of no home territory than him bagging 2nd place purely off of TIBB because that is just impossible to do.

That's just my point Mystic...perhaps people thought he was more sinister than others like you believe.
Raph played the game..he knows how to..he is a super fan. I found him sneaky and manipulative and that WAS his game.He probably isn't like that on the outside world...so his comments in his interview IMO were untrue.I don't think his loss was anything to do with not being on home territory...in that case why didn't Tom win with the whole of Wales voting for him.
Isabelle won because she was authentically humble..she didn't gossip or manipulate..she didn't play a victim or play 'the Outsider' role. It became clear at the end that she lacked confidence and self esteem but she never played on it.
Let's be honest a minority of people on here posted negative comments...it had no effect to the result...Isabelle was simply more liked.

[ClaireS92]

:umm2: right, so people supporting their friend and a fellow forum member is nauseating, but comments about his race aren't? get outta here

:clap1:

People voted for Izzy because she was the most genuine one left and the nicest That s all .

[arista]

I swear this forum has took a drastic fall in quality over the last 24 hours

Shocking

blame the young tibbers

[Jake.]

Moving on

[arista]

Moving on


Yes Jake
that's Positive
well done fella

[Underscore]

It's probably no coincidence that Isabelle, as the only English HM, wins over a Welshy, a Nigerian and whatever Raph is. It isn't surprising at all.

Bah, if you're going to vote for best HM then it was Deborah or Tom. I just have to say that Tom's edits did not do him any justice at all. If Andrew and Raph's award to Tom for being the most fun are to be believed, and also Emma's out-of-house remarks about Tom being energetic and fun then WE HAVE BEEN FOOLED once again!

I am delighted Raph didn't win. The bias was nauseating. Plus, as an American, 2nd place is last place, so he'll just have to tap into his Japanese parts for love peace and harmony.

bye

http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/big-brother-2014-jale-karaturp.png

also jale is funny she has potential

[Mystic Mock]

That's just my point Mystic...perhaps people thought he was more sinister than others like you believe.
Raph played the game..he knows how to..he is a super fan. I found him sneaky and manipulative and that WAS his game.He probably isn't like that on the outside world...so his comments in his interview IMO were untrue.I don't think his loss was anything to do with not being on home territory...in that case why didn't Tom win with the whole of Wales voting for him.
Isabelle won because she was authentically humble..she didn't gossip or manipulate..she didn't play a victim or play 'the Outsider' role. It became clear at the end that she lacked confidence and self esteem but she never played on it.
Let's be honest a minority of people on here posted negative comments...it had no effect to the result...Isabelle was simply more liked.

Tom lost because for starters there are more English people than Welsh people that will be watching BB, and Tom didn't inherit any die hard BB fans support because he was a grass about Raph's VT. And of course being up Lotan's ass.

And I honestly don't get what was so sinister about Raph that was any different from people like Kieran, Tom, Ellie, Sam, and Joe? Or hell most of them in there including Isabelle?

[Vanessa]

Tom lost because for starters there are more English people than Welsh people that will be watching BB, and Tom didn't inherit any die hard BB fans support because he was a grass about Raph's VT. And of course being up Lotan's ass.

And I honestly don't get what was so sinister about Raph that was any different from people like Kieran, Tom, Ellie, Sam, and Joe? Or hell most of them in there including Isabelle?
There's nothing sinister about Raph. He's a bit of a geek, but that's not a bad thing. I find him quirky and intelligent.

[Garfie]

I do agree with the view that we didn't see a true portrayal of Tom, and I think that's largely as a consequence of producers choosing to focus on louder, more argumentative characters such as Chanelle, and on the showmance. I think that's a shame and believe that the four finalists indicate that audiences would prefer to see true civilian housemates in BB rather than those with agents.

Regarding Raph, I think he brought out extremes in posters on here- views were either intensely negative or intensely positive. The word 'sinister' to describe Raph is an example of this, and imo is an inappropriate and unfair way to describe him due to what the word implies. He certainly wasn't sinister.

I do not know Raph, either in person or from Tibb, but I think he deserved his second place and came across like a very decent and genuine guy in his interview. I base that judgement on Raph as a personality, rather than on his cultural heritage. I'm sure there are some people who choose not to support someone due to their culture, race, etc, as there are in any society, but I would like to think most people base their judgements on personality.

[Paula D]

I don't even understand the OP. What's the premise? That only white English people vote for BB,

SO CONFUSED

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[Vanessa]

:clap1:I do agree with the view that we didn't see a true portrayal of Tom, and I think that's largely as a consequence of producers choosing to focus on louder, more argumentative characters such as Chanelle, and on the showmance. I think that's a shame and believe that the four finalists indicate that audiences would prefer to see true civilian housemates in BB rather than those with agents.

Regarding Raph, I think he brought out extremes in posters on here- views were either intensely negative or intensely positive. The word 'sinister' to describe Raph is an example of this, and imo is an inappropriate and unfair way to describe him due to what the word implies. He certainly wasn't sinister.

I do not know Raph, either in person or from Tibb, but I think he deserved his second place and came across like a very decent and genuine guy in his interview. I base that judgement on Raph as a personality, rather than on his cultural heritage. I'm sure there are some people who choose not to support someone due to their culture, race, etc, as there are in any society, but I would like to think most people base their judgements on personality.

[rusticgal]

I do agree with the view that we didn't see a true portrayal of Tom, and I think that's largely as a consequence of producers choosing to focus on louder, more argumentative characters such as Chanelle, and on the showmance. I think that's a shame and believe that the four finalists indicate that audiences would prefer to see true civilian housemates in BB rather than those with agents.

Regarding Raph, I think he brought out extremes in posters on here- views were either intensely negative or intensely positive. The word 'sinister' to describe Raph is an example of this, and imo is an inappropriate and unfair way to describe him due to what the word implies. He certainly wasn't sinister.

I do not know Raph, either in person or from Tibb, but I think he deserved his second place and came across like a very decent and genuine guy in his interview. I base that judgement on Raph as a personality, rather than on his cultural heritage. I'm sure there are some people who choose not to support someone due to their culture, race, etc, as there are in any society, but I would like to think most people base their judgements on personality.


He wasn't sinister...I merely used the word chosen by MysticMock...I found him manipulative and I felt he used people including his friends to make him look good.

[Vanessa]

I don't even understand the OP. What's the premise? That only white English people vote for BB,

SO CONFUSED

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I don't know, but i don't like it when people bring up someone's race. I don't get what that has to do with how good of a housemate you are. Very confusing thread.

[rusticgal]

And I honestly don't get what was so sinister about Raph that was any different from people like Kieran, Tom, Ellie, Sam, and Joe? Or hell most of them in there including Isabelle?

I didn't say he was sinister and I didn't say anyone said he was sinister...you used the word I just replied quoting your terminology.

[poppsywoppsy]

As I hadn't recognized a racial breakdown of the housemates at all but just went on how I perceived them during their time in the house, I am astounded that some will take this view at all.

It is an English TV programme but since when has this type of voting, in this type of programme been biased towards nationality.

If Tom had not been up Lotan and Keirons backsides so much, he might have been more likeable. If he had not been so foul to Isabelle he might have got more votes, but he was and he did, so he was lucky to get so far in my book.

[Kizzy]

He was voted the most fun because he acts like a child all of the time. Most of the footage we saw of him drinking and partying were a little repetitive.

So no invite to the caravan then?... :hehe:

[mr rochester]

It was a dreadful year for cast members and it had nothing to do with where they came from, just their awful character. Isabelle and Raph were quite obviously the best of the bunch hence they finished top 2. Its not rocket science.

Can I get an AMEN?

[Underscore]

Can I get an AMEN?

No

http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/big-brother-2014-jale-karaturp.png

[BBUK-Fan]

Why does it matter where they are from?

[Underscore]

Why does it matter where they are from?

Exactly???

[mr rochester]

:clap1:

Can I get another AMEN?

[BBUK-Fan]

Exactly???

They were all treated equally and fairly. We view them as housemates and not on where they are from.

[Underscore]

They were all treated equally and fairly. We view them as housemates and not on where they are from.

:clap1:

[mr rochester]

I do agree with the view that we didn't see a true portrayal of Tom, and I think that's largely as a consequence of producers choosing to focus on louder, more argumentative characters such as Chanelle, and on the showmance. I think that's a shame and believe that the four finalists indicate that audiences would prefer to see true civilian housemates in BB rather than those with agents.

Regarding Raph, I think he brought out extremes in posters on here- views were either intensely negative or intensely positive. The word 'sinister' to describe Raph is an example of this, and imo is an inappropriate and unfair way to describe him due to what the word implies. He certainly wasn't sinister.

I do not know Raph, either in person or from Tibb, but I think he deserved his second place and came across like a very decent and genuine guy in his interview. I base that judgement on Raph as a personality, rather than on his cultural heritage. I'm sure there are some people who choose not to support someone due to their culture, race, etc, as there are in any society, but I would like to think most people base their judgements on personality.

...and another one

[JayGreen]

https://m.popkey.co/35f46f/mrm33.gif

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[rusticgal]

Why does it matter where they are from?


It doesn't...