"Ladies first"

[Northern Monkey]

Should this be a thing?Or are men and women equal?

[camertone]

Should this be a thing?Or are men and women equal?

Women always want everything both ways. Men still lose whatever they decide to do. Sometimes women want to be treated like women, and sometimes women want to be treated like men, depending on their moods. So you never know. :shrug:

[Marsh.]

Women always want everything both ways. Men still lose whatever they decide to do. Sometimes women want to be treated like women, and sometimes women want to be treated like men, depending on their moods. So you never know. :shrug:

Well, I'm sure you sat there and generalising about "All women" doesn't contribute to this problem at all.

[Ashley.]

Women always want everything both ways. Men still lose whatever they decide to do. Sometimes women want to be treated like women, and sometimes women want to be treated like men, depending on their moods. So you never know. :shrug:

I don't understand why every single gender-related issue must come back to how women are trying to "get what they want".

"Ladies first" was a concept fostered by men, for starters, dating wayyyy back to a time in which women had very little power over anything, at all. It was considered polite to do so. Nothing to do with feminism or how women want to be treated.

[Mystic Mock]

Brandi's weird as she seems like she's a very extreme feminist in most ways, yet when it suits her she came out with probably one of the most old fashioned and sexist comments towards her own gender. I know that Big Brother has never been about gender equality, but I honestly never expected Brandi to make that comment.

[Locke.]

Sam had it quite right in what he said afterwards. That he tries to be a gentleman and say such things but occasionally has it thrown back at him as sexism.

[the truth]

brandi was being sexist yet again

[jennyjuniper]

Should this be a thing?Or are men and women equal?

It's that old 'double standard' issue again, especially I think in the US. Women want equality, but also want to be treated as ladies.:shrug: You hear it often when a woman is beating on a man and suddenly he snaps and hits back. There are always cries of 'you can't do that, she's a woman'. Yet those same voices stayed quiet while she was hitting him!!:conf:

[jennyjuniper]

I don't understand why every single gender-related issue must come back to how women are trying to "get what they want".

"Ladies first" was a concept fostered by men, for starters, dating wayyyy back to a time in which women had very little power over anything, at all. It was considered polite to do so. Nothing to do with feminism or how women want to be treated.

I have always considered chivalry to be good manners between people.

[Paula D]

Brandi let herself down by pulling out that ancient line and she knew it as soon as Karthik called her on it.

We're either equal or we're not, you can't have it both ways when it suits.

[Jake.]

It's called manners, nothing more

[Jake.]

It's that old 'double standard' issue again, especially I think in the US. Women want equality, but also want to be treated as ladies.:shrug: You hear it often when a woman is beating on a man and suddenly he snaps and hits back. There are always cries of 'you can't do that, she's a woman'. Yet those same voices stayed quiet while she was hitting him!!:conf:

What's this got to do with Brandi though?

[smudgie]

traditionally fine dining etiquette.
Maybe she goes to fancy restaurants that still follow the tradition.:shrug:

[Beso]

I always hold a door open for ladies, as well as men.

[Dash Darington]

The traditional social contract is that women acquiesce to men's power, and their care and safety is given the highest priority in return. Modern ideology states that men and women have equal power, and their care and safety is treated with equal importance.

Women will generally try to apply whichever rule set is most advantageous at any given moment. It's up to men to decide whether to accommodate them or not.

[tb24259]

In general I think it's nice when men show that level of consideration towards a woman but it's not compulsory, but Brandi demanding that level of respect when she has none for a single housemate is laughable. Ladylike?...she's about as ladylike as Shaun's bellybutton fluff

[lewis111]

I love the mass generalisation of women in this thread
Like "women do whatever suits them" etc
It's CLEARLY not every woman - most wouldn't say the whole "women first" thing more often than not its men that say that

[lewis111]

I love the mass generalisation of women in this thread
Like "women do whatever suits them" etc
It's CLEARLY not every woman - most wouldn't say the whole "women first" thing more often than not its men that say that

[Kazanne]

I don't like Brandi,she is very entitalled and spiteful,we are supposed to all be equal so no it's not ladies first, and I say that as a woman.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She has major issues with men

:umm2:

[Kazanne]

She has major issues with men

:umm2:

I think that too LT,infact I don't think she likes them at all.

[bots]

There are 2 sides to it really. Firstly, there is the common decency aspect which invites whoever you are with to go before you ... doesn't matter the sex of the individual. But its purely etiquette, there is no reason to enforce it, it purely stops 2 people doing the same thing at the same time and making both look stupid :laugh:

When its enforced by the subservient party (the one who thinks they should be invited) then they are no longer subservient and its the equivalent of pushing someone out the way so they are first in the queue ... ie the dominant party. So ... in short ... she is taking the piss :laugh:

[_baileys_]

Ladies First is simply good manners ...

[MTVN]

It's just politeness, it doesn't undermine equality. She only said it as a throwaway comment anyway really, it was Karthick who made it into a big drama unnecessarily

[Ashley.]

Women will generally try to apply whichever rule set is most advantageous at any given moment.

How insulting.

[Amy Jade]

Its just manners, I think she is used to fancy resturants thats all.

[sungrass]

I always hold a door open for ladies, as well as men.

Me to - there is a reason we have social conventions on what is and isnt suitable behaviour and what is polite - to do something that is polite shows friendliness and usually good manners and intelligence. These are subtle things but they are needed unless we are all going run amok.

Its as simple as eating with your mouth closed - you dont HAVE to - but people would like you better if you did.

Good manners are just a signal to people that you intend to be kind to them - and perhaps women needed this as they weren't usually welcome amoungst men but kept out of sight.

[Underscore]

As a feminist, I don't believe women should be treat any different to men so if you apply this ethos entirely you'd be against ladies first.

[Paula D]

traditionally fine dining etiquette.
Maybe she goes to fancy restaurants that still follow the tradition.:shrug:
I've been to many fine restaurants and they don't necessarily serve ladies first?

Not sure where you got that from?

[Crimson Dynamo]

As a feminist, I don't believe women should be treat any different to men so if you apply this ethos entirely you'd be against ladies first.

what about if you were on a boat and it was sinking

Not women and children first?

[Underscore]

what about if you were on a boat and it was sinking

Not women and children first?

Children should have the priority anyway...

It should be parents and children, people without children should go ladt

[Crimson Dynamo]

Children should have the priority anyway...

It should be parents and children, people without children should go ladt

Good luck if the boat is full of Italians

:dog:

[Underscore]

Good luck if the boat is full of Italians

:dog:

Tru

[MrWong]

Ladies First is simply good manners ...

Yeah that's what I've always thought.

[sungrass]

what about if you were on a boat and it was sinking

Not women and children first?

This might seem a bit deep - but as you mentioned boats -
I think people are beginning to realise there are really feminine women and really masculine men.

And thats all it comes down to - its obvious to see how someone wants to be treated by their mannerisms (manner) if someone is showing less dominant traits perhaps its polite to be kind to them?

However it would take some pluck to pull out a chair for certain women - as you can sense - even just by watching them - they re not going to take it well - i.e the one from loose woman? Carole? Or Germaine Greer?

At the same time women these days dont really expect to be "ladies first" unless someone is acting very ''masculine'' - which Karthik does try to - he is sending out mixed signals which is interesting for us to watch how it will play out.

Karthik used conservastism and conventions when it suits him - I.E he has a presence of persnality and demands (no less) to be a man like everyone else yet- he accused Paul of racisim. (Without reason - I believe)

Yet his attidude towards women is certainly skewed - he has already been called out for this already and it seems to be a pattern.

I am interested to see how far this goes as I know men like him -
However his sparing partner is another man - for now. Which is Paul.

[Kazanne]

Nothing wrong with manners and if people want to open doors etc,that's fine but if they don't it shouldn't be seen as a bad thing.

[tb24259]

From a woman's perspective I have to say I loathe women like Brandi who expect special treatment because they have mammaries yet go on the next second to say men and women are equal. If Brandi really believes she is equal to a man then why the need to raise the complaint that Karthik didn't serve her first? She's an expectant, middle class American ass whose mask is swiftly slipping to reveal a real nasty character methiks

[the truth]

This might seem a bit deep - but as you mentioned boats -
I think people are beginning to realise there are really feminine women and really masculine men.

And thats all it comes down to - its obvious to see how someone wants to be treated by their mannerisms (manner) if someone is showing less dominant traits perhaps its polite to be kind to them?

However it would take some pluck to pull out a chair for certain women - as you can sense - even just by watching them - they re not going to take it well - i.e the one from loose woman? Carole? Or Germaine Greer?

At the same time women these days dont really expect to be "ladies first" unless someone is acting very ''masculine'' - which Karthik does try to - he is sending out mixed signals which is interesting for us to watch how it will play out.

Karthik used conservastism and conventions when it suits him - I.E he has a presence of persnality and demands (no less) to be a man like everyone else yet- he accused Paul of racisim. (Without reason - I believe)

Yet his attidude towards women is certainly skewed - he has already been called out for this already and it seems to be a pattern.

I am interested to see how far this goes as I know men like him -
However his sparing partner is another man - for now. Which is Paul.


most gf's Ive ever had expected me to pay the bills...so theyre the sexist ones not me...there are loads fo sexist women like that

as for sinking boats....nearly everyone who drowned on the titanic was a man as they gave their lives for the women and kids...and all they get as a reward is to be called sexist. the next time the boats go down, save the kids, to hell with the women. save yourselves men, no one appreciates you drowning for a spoilt feminist.......TRUTH OUT

[the truth]

From a woman's perspective I have to say I loathe women like Brandi who expect special treatment because they have mammaries yet go on the next second to say men and women are equal. If Brandi really believes she is equal to a man then why the need to raise the complaint that Karthik didn't serve her first? She's an expectant, middle class American ass whose mask is swiftly slipping to reveal a real nasty character methiks

shes a sexist misandrist pig

[Stormy]

Yes...it is very old fashioned and shouldn't really apply in this day and age...but, either way, a lady would never say "Ladies First". This is something a man will offer.

By Brandy saying "Ladies First" it's just as if she was saying "Me first!". This is rude and selfish. That is what K was trying to make Brandy understand.

[BBUK-Fan]

We are meant to have gender equality and ladies first is still a thing

[Ashley.]

nearly everyone who drowned on the titanic was a man as they gave their lives for the women and kids...and all they get as a reward is to be called sexist. the next time the boats go down, save the kids, to hell with the women. save yourselves men, no one appreciates you drowning for a spoilt feminist.......TRUTH OUT

:umm2:

[RhysJones]

It's just plain decency from my perspective, I totally agree with Brandi. It's just being polite like opening a dor for someone or a guy pulling out a woman's chair

[Marsh.]

most gf's Ive ever had expected me to pay the bills

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Marsh.]

or a guy pulling out

D:

a woman's chair

:shame:

Phew!

[Marsh.]

most gf's Ive ever had expected me to pay the bills...so theyre the sexist ones not me...there are loads fo sexist women like that

as for sinking boats....nearly everyone who drowned on the titanic was a man as they gave their lives for the women and kids...and all they get as a reward is to be called sexist. the next time the boats go down, save the kids, to hell with the women. save yourselves men, no one appreciates you drowning for a spoilt feminist.......TRUTH OUT

Yes, I hate those people who mention all those men who drowned on the Titanic being massive sexist pigs.

I heard they were smelly too?

[Mystic Mock]

It's called manners, nothing more

But in what way does holding a seat open for someone about manners? I'm sure that most people wouldn't be that upset if they had to pull the seat open for themselves surely?:laugh:

I've always thought that slamming the door in someone's face is bad manners, or calling someone a C U Next Tuesday, but now I should probably look out for pulling the seat out for someone who can't use their own hands. What's next? Feeding the other person.:joker:

[the truth]

It's just plain decency from my perspective, I totally agree with Brandi. It's just being polite like opening a dor for someone or a guy pulling out a woman's chair

no she was demanding she go first simply because shes a woman...thats plain sexist and ignorant too...shes a misandrist man hater you can tell the way she constantly attacks chad and of course from her appalling show

[the truth]

:pat::umm2:

[Ashley.]

:pat:

Ah that's it, condescend the woman. A true egalitarian x

[the truth]

Ah that's it, condescend the woman. A true egalitarian x

1) I didnt know you were a woman and what difference does that make anyway
2) you repsonded with a silly face, so did I
3) you ducked the actual topic and tried and failed to troll

[Ashley.]

1) I didnt know you were a woman and what difference does that make anyway
2) you repsonded with a silly face, so did I
3) you ducked the actual topic and tried and failed to troll

Trolling?... And I haven't ducked anything, I've already made my contribution to the topic. That was my response to your totally ridiculous comment, trying to turn the courtesy of men in a life-threatening situation into a fault of women.

[the truth]

Trolling?... And I haven't ducked anything, I've already made my contribution to the topic. That was my response to your totally ridiculous comment, trying to turn the courtesy of men in a life-threatening situation into a fault of women.

why didnt you have the balls to at least make that argument
and yes 100s of men drowning to allow women to live simply because they are women is ridiculous , hopefully that sexist has ended and men can now save themselves

[Marsh.]

why didnt you have the balls to at least make that argument
and yes 100s of men drowning to allow women to live simply because they are women is ridiculous , hopefully that sexist has ended and men can now save themselves

"Simply because they are women" and not because "these men were brave and selfless and opted to save the lives of others despite themselves"?

Now who is completely pissing on the memory of those that died?

[the truth]

As usual troller marsh desperately tries to be fickle and funny about male issues, alas his self loathing male hate makes zero sense and worst of all shows his heartless callousness. He believes women should be first always and that includes allowing men to drown at sea simply because they are men. And he calls me sexist lol

[Ashley.]

why didnt you have the balls to at least make that argument
and yes 100s of men drowning to allow women to live simply because they are women is ridiculous , hopefully that sexist has ended and men can now save themselves

I don't live to argue with you. I'm here to do as I'm told, spread butter on your sandwiches and reproduce x

[the truth]

I don't live to argue with you. I'm here to do as I'm told, spread butter on your sandwiches and reproduce x

That means nothing, good trolling:nono:

[Marsh.]

As usual troller marsh desperately tries to be fickle and funny about male issues, alas his self loathing male hate makes zero sense and worst of all shows his heartless callousness. He believes women should be first always and that includes allowing men to drown at sea simply because they are men. And he calls me sexist lol

Instead of focussing on me as always. Try addressing the argument put forth.

You're the one who's chosen an incident on BB of.... table manners, to ridicule a bunch of people who died in a major disaster over 100 years ago.

You seriously need to review your posts before submitting them.

(Also, nobody "allowed" anyone to drown, the Titanic was a tragedy and one you're trivialising horrendously).

[Marsh.]

hopefully that sexist has ended and men can now save themselves

:joker:

And I'm sure most men would just leave their wives and children to drown in such given circumstances.

[the truth]

Instead of focussing on me as always. Try addressing the argument put forth.

You're the one who's chosen an incident on BB of.... table manners, to ridicule a bunch of people who died in a major disaster over 100 years ago.

You seriously need to review your posts before submitting them.

(Also, nobody "allowed" anyone to drown, the Titanic was a tragedy and one you're trivialising horrendously).

The fact is the endless discrimination against men, in the little things leads in the end to major consequences. Why should men man up? why should they pay womens bills? Why should they put women first above men as sexist brandi demanded? why should we save women before men when buildings collapse of ships subside. Why should women get billions more spent on their health and wellbeing? why should we accept women outliving men by 5 years on average? why should we accept men committing sucide at 5 times the rate of women? why should we accept fathers losing custody and their homes in over 80% of divorces? why should we accept women have over 70% of the spending power in this country. You clearly dont get due to your male hate. I doubt you care about anything judging by the shallow fickleness of your trolling nonsense. Ladies should NOT come first in the big things or the little things. We are all equal.

[the truth]

:joker:

And I'm sure most men would just leave their wives and children to drown in such given circumstances.

Im sure most feminists would allow the men drown to save them

[Marsh.]

Im sure most feminists would allow the men drown to save them
I'm sure you wouldn't know the actual meaning of feminism if you tried.

[Marsh.]

The fact is the endless discrimination against men, in the little things leads in the end to major consequences. Why should men man up? why should they pay womens bills? Why should they put women first above men as sexist brandi demanded? why should we save women before men when buildings collapse of ships subside. Why should women get billions more spent on their health and wellbeing? why should we accept women outliving men by 5 years on average? why should we accept men committing sucide at 5 times the rate of women? why should we accept fathers losing custody and their homes in over 80% of divorces? why should we accept women have over 70% of the spending power in this country. You clearly dont get due to your male hate. I doubt you care about anything judging by the shallow fickleness of your trolling nonsense. Ladies should NOT come first in the big things or the little things. We are all equal.
Playing fast and loose with the word fact I see.

Also, loving you taking issue with the fact women generally live longer. A well known femi-nazi problem.

A pathetic parody of yourself.

[Ashley.]

Playing fast and loose with the word fact I see.

Also, loving you taking issue with the fact women generally live longer. A well known femi-nazi problem.

A pathetic parody of yourself.

http://i.imgur.com/XfwwlZK.gif

[Ashley.]

The fact is the endless discrimination against men, in the little things leads in the end to major consequences. Why should men man up? why should they pay womens bills? Why should they put women first above men as sexist brandi demanded? why should we save women before men when buildings collapse of ships subside. Why should women get billions more spent on their health and wellbeing? why should we accept women outliving men by 5 years on average? why should we accept men committing sucide at 5 times the rate of women? why should we accept fathers losing custody and their homes in over 80% of divorces? why should we accept women have over 70% of the spending power in this country. You clearly dont get due to your male hate. I doubt you care about anything judging by the shallow fickleness of your trolling nonsense. Ladies should NOT come first in the big things or the little things. We are all equal.

You sort of lost your way a little here didn't you...

I mean you're basically asking why women aren't suffering enough. Well, we're sorry to disappoint you.

[the truth]

You sort of lost your way a little here didn't you...

I mean you're basically asking why women aren't suffering enough. Well, we're sorry to disappoint you.

youre lying. you support women getting priority over men which is sexist which makes you sexist

[Ashley.]

youre lying. you support women getting priority over men which is sexist which makes you sexist

Lying about what?

I decide what I support, not you.