[Northern Monkey]

Should this be a thing?Or are men and women equal?

[camertone]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Should this be a thing?Or are men and women equal?

Women always want everything both ways. Men still lose whatever they decide to do. Sometimes women want to be treated like women, and sometimes women want to be treated like men, depending on their moods. So you never know.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by camertone

Women always want everything both ways. Men still lose whatever they decide to do. Sometimes women want to be treated like women, and sometimes women want to be treated like men, depending on their moods. So you never know.

Well, I'm sure you sat there and generalising about "All women" doesn't contribute to this problem at all.

[Ashsleigh]

Originally Posted by camertone

Women always want everything both ways. Men still lose whatever they decide to do. Sometimes women want to be treated like women, and sometimes women want to be treated like men, depending on their moods. So you never know.

I don't understand why every single gender-related issue must come back to how women are trying to "get what they want".

"Ladies first" was a concept fostered by men, for starters, dating wayyyy back to a time in which women had very little power over anything, at all. It was considered polite to do so. Nothing to do with feminism or how women want to be treated.

[Merry Mockmas]

Brandi's weird as she seems like she's a very extreme feminist in most ways, yet when it suits her she came out with probably one of the most old fashioned and sexist comments towards her own gender. I know that Big Brother has never been about gender equality, but I honestly never expected Brandi to make that comment.

[Locke.]

Sam had it quite right in what he said afterwards. That he tries to be a gentleman and say such things but occasionally has it thrown back at him as sexism.

[the truth]

brandi was being sexist yet again

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Should this be a thing?Or are men and women equal?

It's that old 'double standard' issue again, especially I think in the US. Women want equality, but also want to be treated as ladies. You hear it often when a woman is beating on a man and suddenly he snaps and hits back. There are always cries of 'you can't do that, she's a woman'. Yet those same voices stayed quiet while she was hitting him!!

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I don't understand why every single gender-related issue must come back to how women are trying to "get what they want".

"Ladies first" was a concept fostered by men, for starters, dating wayyyy back to a time in which women had very little power over anything, at all. It was considered polite to do so. Nothing to do with feminism or how women want to be treated.

I have always considered chivalry to be good manners between people.

[Paula D]

Brandi let herself down by pulling out that ancient line and she knew it as soon as Karthik called her on it.

We're either equal or we're not, you can't have it both ways when it suits.

[Jake.]

It's called manners, nothing more

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

It's that old 'double standard' issue again, especially I think in the US. Women want equality, but also want to be treated as ladies. You hear it often when a woman is beating on a man and suddenly he snaps and hits back. There are always cries of 'you can't do that, she's a woman'. Yet those same voices stayed quiet while she was hitting him!!

What's this got to do with Brandi though?

[smudgie]

traditionally fine dining etiquette.
Maybe she goes to fancy restaurants that still follow the tradition.

[Parmy]

I always hold a door open for ladies, as well as men.

[Dash Darington]

The traditional social contract is that women acquiesce to men's power, and their care and safety is given the highest priority in return. Modern ideology states that men and women have equal power, and their care and safety is treated with equal importance.

Women will generally try to apply whichever rule set is most advantageous at any given moment. It's up to men to decide whether to accommodate them or not.

[tb24259]

In general I think it's nice when men show that level of consideration towards a woman but it's not compulsory, but Brandi demanding that level of respect when she has none for a single housemate is laughable. Ladylike?...she's about as ladylike as Shaun's bellybutton fluff

[lewis111]

I love the mass generalisation of women in this thread
Like "women do whatever suits them" etc
It's CLEARLY not every woman - most wouldn't say the whole "women first" thing more often than not its men that say that

[lewis111]

I love the mass generalisation of women in this thread
Like "women do whatever suits them" etc
It's CLEARLY not every woman - most wouldn't say the whole "women first" thing more often than not its men that say that

[Kazanne]

I don't like Brandi,she is very entitalled and spiteful,we are supposed to all be equal so no it's not ladies first, and I say that as a woman.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

She has major issues with men

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

She has major issues with men

I think that too LT,infact I don't think she likes them at all.

[bots]

There are 2 sides to it really. Firstly, there is the common decency aspect which invites whoever you are with to go before you ... doesn't matter the sex of the individual. But its purely etiquette, there is no reason to enforce it, it purely stops 2 people doing the same thing at the same time and making both look stupid

When its enforced by the subservient party (the one who thinks they should be invited) then they are no longer subservient and its the equivalent of pushing someone out the way so they are first in the queue ... ie the dominant party. So ... in short ... she is taking the piss

[_baileys_]

Ladies First is simply good manners ...

[In the Drunk Tank]

It's just politeness, it doesn't undermine equality. She only said it as a throwaway comment anyway really, it was Karthick who made it into a big drama unnecessarily

[Ashsleigh]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

Women will generally try to apply whichever rule set is most advantageous at any given moment.

How insulting.