Making people feel guilty for drinking

[Paula D]

Danan is starting to do my head in over the drinking.

Last night saying he'd love to have a drink and telling the others to shut up because they were enjoying one.

And going on at Sarah cause he wants to have someone else sober maybe?

It's really annoying.

I gave up drink a long time ago and I NEVER ever comment on someone else's drinking or tell anyone that I'm dying for a drink, it's just so rude.

Same as a reformed smoker, nothing worse.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

As a problem drinker (I assume that is what you meant?) you will know that if you dont vocalise stuff like that it will end up picking a drink up

Very brave of Paul I thought

[Kizzy]

I 100% agree Paula he is a total arse, I gave up drinking almost 5yrs ago and like you I wouldn't dream of commenting on anyone elses drinking habits or attempt to advise others.
I feel it's impossible to do that, if you want to stop it has to come from within. All he's doing is jeopardising his own sobriety and alienating sarah.

[Ellen]

Agree with Paula and Kizzy. Not his place tbh

[Kizzy]

As a problem drinker (I assume that is what you meant?) you will know that if you dont vocalise stuff like that it will end up picking a drink up

Very brave of Paul I thought

ex alcoholics don't drink, problem drinkers drink.

There is a time and a place for venting, the safety of a meeting perhaps... not a reality tv show.

He is not brave he is vulnerable, the desire for a drink proves that, he should remove himself from the situation entirely otherwise he risks relapse.

[Candy Annie Cane]

I wasn't watching it properly last night but the bit I saw in the garden was him sating he really wanted a drink and derek advising and helping him to avoid it. I think he is still at the stage where he needs some assistance so think its good he can talk about it. I didnt see the interaction with sarah though so cant comment on that. Dealing with addiction is very individual, my only concern is where he is in his sobriety being around.people drinking may have been a mistake

[Paula D]

As a problem drinker (I assume that is what you meant?) you will know that if you dont vocalise stuff like that it will end up picking a drink up

Very brave of Paul I thought

The place to vocalise it is not when other people are drinking. That's what BB is there for and they have a psychologist they can speak to.

If he can't cope with other people drinking then he shouldn't be in there and he was calling Sarah fragile?

[Kizzy]

I felt sorry for derek stuck talking him down like his flipping sponsor, he's not there to be danans crutch :/
Bit of a karmic kick in the crotch to accuse others of being sensitive and fragile and then having to spend an evening being counselled by a psychic :/

[Locke.]

Think the horrible bastards need to have a bit of consideration for their leader and take up sobriety for the 3 weeks with him. Disgusting that they have the nerve to drink infront of both him and Sarah knowing the problems they've had.

[Paula D]

I felt sorry for derek stuck talking him down like his flipping sponsor, he's not there to be danans crutch :/
Bit of a karmic kick in the crotch to accuse others of being sensitive and fragile and then having to spend an evening being counselled by a psychic :/

I know yeah, talk about a buzz kill.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

ex alcoholics don't drink, problem drinkers drink.

There is a time and a place for venting, the safety of a meeting perhaps... not a reality tv show.

He is not brave he is vulnerable, the desire for a drink proves that, he should remove himself from the situation entirely otherwise he risks relapse.

there are no ex alcoholics

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

He's trying very hard not to drink. It's not easy for an ex alcoholic. But at least he's trying.

[bots]

He's trying very hard not to drink. It's not easy for an ex alcoholic. But at least he's trying.

if he was trying he wouldn't be doing BB knowing the temptation of drink would be there every night

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

if he was trying he wouldn't be doing BB knowing the temptation of drink would be there every night

It's hard for both Sarah and Paul. And they're both struggling.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I am sure that Paul is on some sort of medication as he slurs a lot of the time?

[ebandit]

..did ya see shaun savour his beer..........made it more enjoyable!

Mark L

[Paula D]

He's trying very hard not to drink. It's not easy for an ex alcoholic. But at least he's trying.

First up there's no such thing as an ex alcoholic.

Secondly, I never said he wasn't trying, I said he shouldn't be trying to make others feel guilty for it.

[Paula D]

It's hard for both Sarah and Paul. And they're both struggling.

Oh really? And yet you start threads all over the place about Sarah whinging? Hmm, interesting that. :shrug:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

At least Paul is still dry unlike Sarah who caved after a few days and attacked Amelia

:umm2:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

At least Paul is still dry unlike Sarah who caved after a few days and attacked Amelia

:umm2:

That's true and I hope he stays off the booze. It's not good for him.

[bots]

At least Paul is still dry unlike Sarah who caved after a few days and attacked Amelia

:umm2:

she was only having a bit of girl on girl lesbo biting fun, i thought you would have appreciated that LT :shrug:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

she was only having a bit of girl on girl lesbo biting fun, i thought you would have appreciated that LT :shrug:

I would never condone filth :nono:

[Cal.]

His problems are nothing to do with drink anyway are they?

I just assumed he wasn't drinking in the house because he wanted to remain in control of how he come across and acted during the show.

[Paula D]

His problems are nothing to do with drink anyway are they?

I just assumed he wasn't drinking in the house because he wanted to remain in control of how he come across and acted during the show.

He definitely has a drink problem.

[Cal.]

He definitely has a drink problem.

Would they let people in with a drinking problem?

[Paula D]

Would they let people in with a drinking problem?

Of course they would, why not? If they're off the drink what's the issue?

And the drink is limited so can never go too far anyway.

[bots]

Would they let people in with a drinking problem?

of course, its never stopped them before

[Paula D]

of course, its never stopped them before

True, Bianca comes to mind.

[Vicky.]

I am sure that Paul is on some sort of medication as he slurs a lot of the time?I said this a few days ago actually. He reminds me of me when I have taken my meds. I really need them and am meant to take them all of the time but I can only take them on a night as I slur and fall into things D: And I don't think its right for the kids to see me like that


if he was trying he wouldn't be doing BB knowing the temptation of drink would be there every night
Its a job though..the temptation of drink is around everyone in everyday life tbh
I wasn't watching it properly last night but the bit I saw in the garden was him sating he really wanted a drink and derek advising and helping him to avoid it. I think he is still at the stage where he needs some assistance so think its good he can talk about it. I didnt see the interaction with sarah though so cant comment on that. Dealing with addiction is very individual, my only concern is where he is in his sobriety being around.people drinking may have been a mistake
I would definitely agree with this. On tonights show though he was way OTT with Sarah, especially as he heard what she had said second hand so it could have been misunderstood or something. He seems extremely touchy when anyone mentions drink (or drugs) so I think the fight is always on his mind. I do think, yet again, Sarah wound it up a lot on purpose too...when he was upset about all of that and shes like 'have you had a drink tonight Paul?'...

[Gusto Brunt]

Is Paul still a drunk? Has he drank in the house?

I'm sure I saw him with a beer can in his hand???

[Vicky.]

Would they let people in with a drinking problem?

I don't think they do medical screenings anymore tbh. Infact given Nikki was let into BB years back I don't think they have done it for a long time. So many housemates over the years have been (IMO) way too fragile to deal with BB.

Another obvious alcoholic that comes to mind is Denise Welch. I think the producers love people like that tbh, as they know they will get drama/headlines. Exploitation for our entertainment basically :S

[Rustic bauble]

Paul is struggling to handle not being able to have a drink...he vented his frustration on Sarah who had done nothing wrong.

[Daffodil]

Paul is having difficulty sleeping, and knowing now that he has a drink problem, I am very surprised he chose to go on BB. BB would drive the purest soul to drink and drugs. His loss of temper shows he is losing control. I feel a bit sorry for him tbh....and Sarah.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Paul is having difficulty sleeping, and knowing now that he has a drink problem, I am very surprised he chose to go on BB. BB would drive the purest soul to drink and drugs. His loss of temper shows he is losing control. I feel a bit sorry for him tbh....and Sarah.

But at least he's not drinking. That's good.

[Rustic bauble]

Is Paul still a drunk? Has he drank in the house?

I'm sure I saw him with a beer can in his hand???


Well he has sure looked pissed on a couple of occasions..:shrug:

Must be the meds..:laugh:

[Kizzy]

there are no ex alcoholics

Well there are those who say that, personally I prefer to look at the positive and say today I am an ex alcoholic. You can say what you like.

[Garfie]

I wasn't watching it properly last night but the bit I saw in the garden was him sating he really wanted a drink and derek advising and helping him to avoid it. I think he is still at the stage where he needs some assistance so think its good he can talk about it. I didnt see the interaction with sarah though so cant comment on that. Dealing with addiction is very individual, my only concern is where he is in his sobriety being around.people drinking may have been a mistake

I agree. I think he was sensible to reveal he was struggling at that moment and to talk to someone about it in order to overcome his temptation. I don't think he was trying to make others feel guilty but just trying to address his own difficulties.

It wouldn't bother me if I was drinking and someone discussed their issues as Paul did and it wouldn't make me feel guilty- I don't think that was Paul's intention either.

[Gusto Brunt]

Well he has sure looked pissed on a couple of occasions..:shrug:

Must be the meds..:laugh:

Oh right thanks

[Paula D]

I wasn't watching it properly last night but the bit I saw in the garden was him sating he really wanted a drink and derek advising and helping him to avoid it. I think he is still at the stage where he needs some assistance so think its good he can talk about it. I didnt see the interaction with sarah though so cant comment on that. Dealing with addiction is very individual, my only concern is where he is in his sobriety being around.people drinking may have been a mistake
If he's still at the stage where he's struggling constantly he definitely shouldn't be in there.

[DanielM787]

He's surely on something

[Paula D]

He's surely on something

That's what I keep thinking, what's the dopey head on him about?

[Vicky.]

Well there are those who say that, personally I prefer to look at the positive and say today I am an ex alcoholic. You can say what you like.

Yes, much better way of looking at it (and congrats on still being dry..I remember speaking to you years back about this :love: )

There ARE ex-alcoholics BUT I think the temptation never goes away. So you can stop the drinking but its always there in the back of your mind. Some people are strong enough to ignore it, but it is still always there. My view on addictions , definitely been this way with my addictions anyway

[DanielM787]

That's what I keep thinking, what's the dopey head on him about?

I know right, either that or hes stashing booze under his bed :joker:

[Marsh.]

Would they let people in with a drinking problem?

We've had alcoholics, drug addicts, people with anorexia, people on the verge of suicide. They don't give a sh*t.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Paul is deffo on some very strong painkiller

[_baileys_]

Paul is **** stirring hypocrite little stain in the cat litter box..who over reacts at the drop of a hat

I think Sarah just literally said what most people are thinking.. he behaves like he is 'on' something be it drink/drugs etc...

I always thought things like tablets /medicine were kept with BB to be dished out in DR?

[Miranda123]

As a problem drinker (I assume that is what you meant?) you will know that if you dont vocalise stuff like that it will end up picking a drink up

Very brave of Paul I thought

Brave for him maybe but a pain in the arse for everyone else, there is nothing worse than a reformed drinker/smoker

I would pour mine over him if he kept going on about it

[Miranda123]

Paul is **** stirring hypocrite little stain in the cat litter box..who over reacts at the drop of a hat

I think Sarah just literally said what most people are thinking.. he behaves like he is 'on' something be it drink/drugs etc...

I always thought things like tablets /medicine were kept with BB to be dished out in DR?

how do we know he didnt go in with some meds up his arse?

[JayGreen]

I understand it cant be easy to not be able to drink but you dont bring other people down for it. Thats not right. If you are struggling go and talk to big brother as im sure they have people on hand to council him a little. Move away from it for a bit and take a time out.

[Miranda123]

I agree. I think he was sensible to reveal he was struggling at that moment and to talk to someone about it in order to overcome his temptation. I don't think he was trying to make others feel guilty but just trying to address his own difficulties.

It wouldn't bother me if I was drinking and someone discussed their issues as Paul did and it wouldn't make me feel guilty- I don't think that was Paul's intention either.

If his problem is still so acute, then he should have turned down the invite, but of course, like most of them in there, celebrity is more important than their actual lives!

[ChristmasNeeve]

If his problem is still so acute, then he should have turned down the invite, but of course, like most of them in there, celebrity is more important than their actual lives!

Yeah definitely, he doesn't seem like someone who's dealt with their issues enough to be able to handle a situation like Big Brother

[Vicky.]

I understand it cant be easy to not be able to drink but you dont bring other people down for it. Thats not right. If you are struggling go and talk to big brother as im sure they have people on hand to council him a little. Move away from it for a bit and take a time out.

Well yeah, thats stupid. No different to when vegetarians harp on at everyone else about eating meat and that really.

He can find it hard, and talk to people about it, fair enough. But purposely trying to make others feel guilty for drinking is not on at all.

Though I do think when he was talking to Sarah about it, it might have been because Sarah herself had said she didn't want to drink in there (which we have seen her say too)..so it wasn't making her feel bad as such, it was reminding her. I think she even said in her VT that she was there to show she had changed and that. She has definitely mentioned it a few times since launch too.